Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-27 Thread geni 
On 26 November 2015 at 19:23, Jens Best  wrote:

> Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started
> by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is
> creating and editing the Wikipedia.
>
> - WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the
> ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.


Open street maps comes from the UK a country which does not have net
neutrality.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Austin Hair 
I understand and even sympathize with your position, although not your
outright hostility. (Please keep that to a minimum, by the way.)

As others have said, the recognition of Adele Vrana as one of the
three laureates accepting on behalf of the Community, and with it the
explicit recognition of the project she's led, has made the position
of the Erasmus Committee clear. There was nothing "smuggled in" to a
video "at the very end," as it were.

As for WP0 itself, you are free to oppose WMF initiatives and even
discuss them on this list, but only so long as the goal is meant to be
productive. In other words, don't hijack a thread to flog a dead
horse. (I have no say in what you write to the Stichting Praemium
Erasmianum, of course.)

Thank you,

Austin


On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Jens Best  wrote:
> Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started
> by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is
> creating and editing the Wikipedia.
>
> - WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the
> ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.
>
> - Also the low numbers of involvement through WP0 are evidence that this is
> a pure marketing project run by the Foundation for the Foundation and
> realiter doesn't contribute to the big ideas with which it is sold.
>
> - Additionally the Foundation isn't answering questions about the limits
> and ending of WP0 for over 1,5 years now. A project - officially sold to
> bring the poor of the Global South into Wikipedia - is spreading in
> developed countries where its only purpose is to give the "partnering
> access provider" a marketing campaign named "Wikipedia for free".
>
> If the Erasmus Prize is really essentially connected to Wikipedia Zero
> (which I still don't think) than maybe somebody has to inform the office of
> the Praemium Erasmianum Foundation about the numbers and the facts of this
> questionable endevaour. I still hope that the prize was recieved because
> Wikipedia is the biggest cultural project mankind every started.
>
> J
>
>
>
> 2015-11-26 20:01 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav M. Blanter :
>
>> On 2015-11-26 19:48, Jens Best wrote:
>>
>>> Nice try, GerardM,
>>>
>>> but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because
>>> some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some
>>> access
>>> providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net
>>> neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate
>>> that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the
>>> web
>>> became great is wrong.
>>>
>>> And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>
>> Actually, Wikipedia Zero was explicitly cited in the laudation when the
>> prize was awarded. We may like it or not but it was an integral part of the
>> prize.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Michael Peel 
The on-wiki version is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia,_an_introduction_-_Erasmus_Prize_2015.webm
 


Thanks,
Mike

> On 26 Nov 2015, at 01:35, Arne Wossink  wrote:
> 
> Just saw that it already has such a license.
> 
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> Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink :
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>> Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to have
>> it on Commons.
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Arne Wossink 
Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to have
it on Commons.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Arne Wossink 
Just saw that it already has such a license.


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Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink :

> Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to have
> it on Commons.
>
>
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> 2015-11-26 8:21 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with
the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music in
our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :)
Thanks,
 GerardM

PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)

On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink  wrote:

> Just saw that it already has such a license.
>
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> Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink :
>
> > Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to have
> > it on Commons.
> >
> >
> > Arne Wossink
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Andrea Zanni 
It's great :-)

Aubrey

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> Hoi,
> There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with
> the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music in
> our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :)
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink  wrote:
>
> > Just saw that it already has such a license.
> >
> >
> > Arne Wossink
> >
> > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> >
> > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
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> > *Postadres*: *
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> >
> > Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink :
> >
> > > Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to
> have
> > > it on Commons.
> > >
> > >
> > > Arne Wossink
> > >
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> > >
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> > > 2015-11-26 8:21 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Jane Darnell 
Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> Hoi,
> There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with
> the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music in
> our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :)
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink  wrote:
>
> > Just saw that it already has such a license.
> >
> >
> > Arne Wossink
> >
> > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> >
> > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
> >
> > *Postadres*: *
> > Bezoekadres:*
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> >
> > Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink :
> >
> > > Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to
> have
> > > it on Commons.
> > >
> > >
> > > Arne Wossink
> > >
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> > >
> > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
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> > > 2015-11-26 8:21 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Jens Best 
Really nice Video.

Sadly some Wikipedia Zero-stuff was smuggled in at the end of the video
which makes the whole thing propagating the violation of net neutrality.
But it's under the right licence to edit this out and make the video usable
also for people who care about free knowledge and net neutrality.

Jens

2015-11-26 11:12 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :

> Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with
> > the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music
> in
> > our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :)
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
> >
> > On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink  wrote:
> >
> > > Just saw that it already has such a license.
> > >
> > >
> > > Arne Wossink
> > >
> > > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> > >
> > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
> > >
> > > *Postadres*: *
> > > Bezoekadres:*
> > > Postbus 167Mariaplaats
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> > > 3500 AD  Utrecht Utrecht
> > >
> > > Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink :
> > >
> > > > Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to
> > have
> > > > it on Commons.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Arne Wossink
> > > >
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> > > > 2015-11-26 8:21 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
When you edit it out, you no longer represent why the Erasmus Foundation
gave the Erasmus prize to our community.

So edit it out and do appreciate that it no longer represents the reason
why the award was given to us. It will be wrong even under the right
license.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 26 November 2015 at 15:54, Jens Best  wrote:

> Really nice Video.
>
> Sadly some Wikipedia Zero-stuff was smuggled in at the end of the video
> which makes the whole thing propagating the violation of net neutrality.
> But it's under the right licence to edit this out and make the video usable
> also for people who care about free knowledge and net neutrality.
>
> Jens
>
> 2015-11-26 11:12 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :
>
> > Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke
> with
> > > the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their
> music
> > in
> > > our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :)
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > > PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
> > >
> > > On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just saw that it already has such a license.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Arne Wossink
> > > >
> > > > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> > > >
> > > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
> > > >
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> > > > Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink  >:
> > > >
> > > > > Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome
> to
> > > have
> > > > > it on Commons.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Arne Wossink
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Jens Best 
Nice try, GerardM,

but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because
some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some access
providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net
neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate
that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.

Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the web
became great is wrong.

And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.

J

2015-11-26 19:39 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen :

> Hoi,
> When you edit it out, you no longer represent why the Erasmus Foundation
> gave the Erasmus prize to our community.
>
> So edit it out and do appreciate that it no longer represents the reason
> why the award was given to us. It will be wrong even under the right
> license.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 15:54, Jens Best  wrote:
>
> > Really nice Video.
> >
> > Sadly some Wikipedia Zero-stuff was smuggled in at the end of the video
> > which makes the whole thing propagating the violation of net neutrality.
> > But it's under the right licence to edit this out and make the video
> usable
> > also for people who care about free knowledge and net neutrality.
> >
> > Jens
> >
> > 2015-11-26 11:12 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :
> >
> > > Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke
> > with
> > > > the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their
> > music
> > > in
> > > > our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :)
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >  GerardM
> > > >
> > > > PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
> > > >
> > > > On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just saw that it already has such a license.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Arne Wossink
> > > > >
> > > > > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > >
> > > > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
> > > > >
> > > > > *Postadres*: *
> > > > > Bezoekadres:*
> > > > > Postbus 167
> > Mariaplaats
> > > 3
> > > > > 3500 AD  Utrecht Utrecht
> > > > >
> > > > > Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink <
> woss...@wikimedia.nl
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > > it on Commons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arne Wossink
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > Postbus 167
> > > Mariaplaats
> > > > 3
> > > > > > 3500 AD  Utrecht Utrecht
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2015-11-26 8:21 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Pine
> > > > > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter 

On 2015-11-26 19:48, Jens Best wrote:

Nice try, GerardM,

but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because
some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some 
access
providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the 
net
neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not 
appreciate
that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand 
Wikipedia.


Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the 
web

became great is wrong.

And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.

J


Actually, Wikipedia Zero was explicitly cited in the laudation when the 
prize was awarded. We may like it or not but it was an integral part of 
the prize.


Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Jens Best 
Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started
by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is
creating and editing the Wikipedia.

- WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the
ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.

- Also the low numbers of involvement through WP0 are evidence that this is
a pure marketing project run by the Foundation for the Foundation and
realiter doesn't contribute to the big ideas with which it is sold.

- Additionally the Foundation isn't answering questions about the limits
and ending of WP0 for over 1,5 years now. A project - officially sold to
bring the poor of the Global South into Wikipedia - is spreading in
developed countries where its only purpose is to give the "partnering
access provider" a marketing campaign named "Wikipedia for free".

If the Erasmus Prize is really essentially connected to Wikipedia Zero
(which I still don't think) than maybe somebody has to inform the office of
the Praemium Erasmianum Foundation about the numbers and the facts of this
questionable endevaour. I still hope that the prize was recieved because
Wikipedia is the biggest cultural project mankind every started.

J



2015-11-26 20:01 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav M. Blanter :

> On 2015-11-26 19:48, Jens Best wrote:
>
>> Nice try, GerardM,
>>
>> but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because
>> some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some
>> access
>> providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net
>> neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate
>> that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.
>>
>> Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the
>> web
>> became great is wrong.
>>
>> And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.
>>
>> J
>>
>
> Actually, Wikipedia Zero was explicitly cited in the laudation when the
> prize was awarded. We may like it or not but it was an integral part of the
> prize.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
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