[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Café online meeting for May 2020

2020-05-16 Thread Pine W 
Hello colleagues,


== Announcements for this month ==

The next Wikimedia Café meetup will occur on 30 May 2020 at 9:30 AM
Pacific / 11:30 AM Eastern / 4:30 PM UTC / 10 PM IST.

This month's meetup will focus on the recently announced 2030 strategy
recommendations. See
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations.

The organizers of the Café have not finalized the format for this
month, but this is likely to be a two hour meetup with time for
discussions regarding each of the strategy recommendations.

The Café has been well attended during the past few months. There have
been multiple requests for an alternate meetup time for the Café. This
subject is being discussed on the Café talk page, and is also on the
agenda for May's meetup. One possibility under consideration is
offering an additional Café meetup on a different day of the week and
a different time of day. Please feel free to join the discussion on
the talk page if you cannot attend the Café in its current time slot
and would like to comment regarding this issue.


== General information about the Café ==

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are available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Café.

As usual, the meeting style for the Café will emphasize discussion
rather than presentation. People are welcome to participate as
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Café online meeting for May 2020

2020-05-16 Thread Pine W 
I remembered to adjust US Pacific time for DST but forgot to do the
same for US Eastern time. The US Eastern time will be 12:30. Sorry
about that.

As you may have noticed, we are holding the UTC constant regardless of
DST changes.

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[Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Benjamin Ikuta 


Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to Commons 
because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much broader than that 
of Wikipedia. 

Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why people don't 
contribute more broadly? 

~Benjamin 


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Gnangarra 
The scope of Commons is actually much less, than en.wikipedia   uploading
to Commons is not a great introduction to the movement copyright and more
complex than just fixing a spelling error or adding a statement.

We do need to more to encourage uploading of media files, WLE, WLM do work
towards that more on the ground engagement within communities, and seeking
support from within the photography community where mine, mine, mine, dont
ask for free stuff is big issue because way to many commercial operators
want everything for free, we forget that photography is an expensive hobby
you cant just borrow gear from a library or read online like you can with
sourcing written content.

Personally I think WLE, WLM need bigger budgets all round with sponsors
from retail outlets offering photography prizes and WMF & Affiliates
offering the primary prize that lets people buy gear like cameras and lenses

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 11:05, Benjamin Ikuta 
wrote:

>
>
> Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to
> Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much
> broader than that of Wikipedia.
>
> Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why people
> don't contribute more broadly?
>
> ~Benjamin
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Pine W 
Personally, I wish that Commons permitted images with licenses that
restricted the images to noncommercial use only. There are some media
files that I would have uploaded to Commons if this was the case.

I have seen at least previous discussion about this but I can't
remember what happened to it. My guess is that the proposal died for
lack of consensus or lack of energy. I remember that one proposed
solution was to set up another website for media files that would
allow media with NC restrictions.

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On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:05 AM Benjamin Ikuta  wrote:
>
>
>
> Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to Commons 
> because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much broader than 
> that of Wikipedia.
>
> Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why people 
> don't contribute more broadly?
>
> ~Benjamin
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Gnangarra 
the NC discussion from memory fell in that they impacted the ability to
include them in Wikipedia pages that are then rebroadcast by people like
Google and answers.com  because it was a more restrictive license.

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 12:44, Pine W  wrote:

> Personally, I wish that Commons permitted images with licenses that
> restricted the images to noncommercial use only. There are some media
> files that I would have uploaded to Commons if this was the case.
>
> I have seen at least previous discussion about this but I can't
> remember what happened to it. My guess is that the proposal died for
> lack of consensus or lack of energy. I remember that one proposed
> solution was to set up another website for media files that would
> allow media with NC restrictions.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:05 AM Benjamin Ikuta 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to
> Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much
> broader than that of Wikipedia.
> >
> > Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why
> people don't contribute more broadly?
> >
> > ~Benjamin
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki via Wikimedia-l 
This was discussed a number of times[sic.] onwiki and there was no consensus at 
all to allow NC on commons.

Citing from Commons:Village pump/Copyright: "One of Wikimedia Commons' basic 
principles is: "Only free content is allowed." Please do not ask why unfree 
material is not allowed at Wikimedia Commons or suggest that allowing it would 
be a good thing.ump/Copyright"

I agree with Gnangarra .

Best,
Steinsplitter


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von 
Gnangarra 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Mai 2020 06:49
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Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

the NC discussion from memory fell in that they impacted the ability to
include them in Wikipedia pages that are then rebroadcast by people like
Google and answers.com  because it was a more restrictive license.

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 12:44, Pine W  wrote:

> Personally, I wish that Commons permitted images with licenses that
> restricted the images to noncommercial use only. There are some media
> files that I would have uploaded to Commons if this was the case.
>
> I have seen at least previous discussion about this but I can't
> remember what happened to it. My guess is that the proposal died for
> lack of consensus or lack of energy. I remember that one proposed
> solution was to set up another website for media files that would
> allow media with NC restrictions.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:05 AM Benjamin Ikuta 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to
> Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much
> broader than that of Wikipedia.
> >
> > Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why
> people don't contribute more broadly?
> >
> > ~Benjamin
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Roland Unger 
There are several causes why people do not upload their photos to Commons.

-
 Wikimedia Commons is less known like the other Wikimedia sisters. We had to 
increase the awareness of these projects including the Foundation 
itself. But all people speak only about Wikipedia, and nobody starts an 
ad campaign for the sisters to overcome this. Not only the scope of Commons is 
broader, that of the movement is broader, too. Maybe the Foundation can improve 
its support for the sisters to attract new users for the movement.

see: 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/02/07/how-does-the-world-see-wikimedia-brands/
-
 Many photographers (and Wikipedians) will be become famous. There is the 
question why to 
publish at Wikimedia Commons instead of Instagram, Flickr, or Pinterest?

-
 There is almost no support for the sister projects by Wikipedians. Some 
Wikipedians are 
living in their own world, and sometimes they argue against their 
sisters.
- For many users it is difficult to use Commons or other Wikimedia projects. 
They have to fight against an ancient and not user-friendly user interface (for 
instance manual edits of things stored in EXIF data or in the user account, 
adding categories without any automatic support, etc.).

I am not really sure if an investigation should be done because most problems 
are known already now.

I think we should keep the opportunity of commercial use, because all Wikimedia 
products should be used freely. For instance, what shall an officer at a travel 
agency do if she/he cannot use Wikimedia products freely because of 
commercial-usage restrictions?

Roland




>>> Benjamin Ikuta  05/17/20 5:07 AM >>>


Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to Commons 
because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much broader than that 
of Wikipedia. 

Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why people don't 
contribute more broadly? 

~Benjamin 


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Pine W 
If memory serves me correctly, as Steinsplitter said, there has been
pushback on Commons regarding allowing NC-licensed images on Commons,
but I can't recall if there was a consensus regarding having a site
that is an alternative to Commons and allow images with NC licenses.
I'm not sure how much discussion there was regarding setting up a new
sister project for this purpose. I can imagine that one argument
against it would be that it could cause confusion, but I think that
with a good UI design that could be fixed. However, I'm not sure that
the community has enough human resources to monitor and sustain
another project. We already have problems with maintaining what we
have.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Gnangarra 
I think you've hit the nail on the head Pine with

> However, I'm not sure that
> the community has enough human resources to monitor and sustain
> another project. We already have problems with maintaining what we
> have.


We really need to address the lack of cross project support and community
by further integration of projects rather than create more stand alone
projects.

>
>

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 14:42, Pine W  wrote:

> If memory serves me correctly, as Steinsplitter said, there has been
> pushback on Commons regarding allowing NC-licensed images on Commons,
> but I can't recall if there was a consensus regarding having a site
> that is an alternative to Commons and allow images with NC licenses.
> I'm not sure how much discussion there was regarding setting up a new
> sister project for this purpose. I can imagine that one argument
> against it would be that it could cause confusion, but I think that
> with a good UI design that could be fixed. However, I'm not sure that
> the community has enough human resources to monitor and sustain
> another project. We already have problems with maintaining what we
> have.
>
> Pine
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