[Wikimedia-SF] @congressedits
There is a new service developed by Ed Summers (@edsu) that tweets edits made anonymously from the US Congress' IP range. The twitter handle is @congressedits -- and it is very interesting! Especially from the point of view of potential conflict of interest. But it also may give, over time, a picture of how Washington-related information gets updated in WP. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] @congressedits
Thanks, Peter. I do know that Ed based his code on a UK or EU version. As for the IP addresses, those are stored in the WP versioning - is the issue that it points out the location based on the IP? (Which anyone could look up, but this makes it more obvious.) kc On 7/11/14, 9:16 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote: There are a few similar accounts for various countries; here's a list: https://twitter.com/palnatoke/wikiedit/members The subject also sparked a current thread on wikitech-l [1] about whether or not is appropriate to publish IP addresses for anonymous editors, because it enables this sort of partial de-anonymizing. Pete [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-July/077524.html On 7/11/14, 09:05 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: There is a new service developed by Ed Summers (@edsu) that tweets edits made anonymously from the US Congress' IP range. The twitter handle is @congressedits -- and it is very interesting! Especially from the point of view of potential conflict of interest. But it also may give, over time, a picture of how Washington-related information gets updated in WP. kc ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Anybody out there
Some people like to sit in cafes while they work alone, others prefer to be alone at home. Same with editing. Some people like to do it in company, others not. Speaking of editing in company, I would love to find an informal but pleasing venue where people can stop in, have a beer, and join others who are editing, without having to organize something more formal. Although I find value in holding editing sessions in the local libraries, it can be hard to book the rooms, and once there the environment is a bit sterile. I'm in Berkeley and there are some cafes that have wifi, coffee, beer, and food. Is anyone else interested in a kind of Wednesday nights at xx or something like that? kc (obviously someone who likes to edit in company) On 6/23/14, 8:18 AM, Wjhonson wrote: I don't really understand the point of going to Editathons I can sit at home and edit. Maybe someone needs to post pictures and reviews and so on to encourage how fun it is, or whatever it is -Original Message- From: Saehrimnir saehrim...@gmx.net To: wikimedia-sf wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, Jun 22, 2014 8:25 pm Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Anybody out there Hello, this is the lamest mailing list I ever subscribed to and probably the wikimedian meetup group with the highest moment of inertia compared to its size (I know physics is not on my side here, but thats OK it never really is) I have been part of. Don't get me wrong I know that anyone I met so far in this Community does some amazing and impressive projects inside and outside of the wikimedia universe. And I realize that the fourth dimension is the most limited and that hanging out with other people at Edithatons has to be weighted against this other projects. But there is also statistics if it would take the amount of Editors from more than 7 million Inhabitants to make a event every other month nothing would ever take place in Germany. For instance Stephen LaPorte proposed a meetup next saturday a Edithathon at the Foundation (Stephen is that dead already?) and no one even looked at the Page. The Wicnik is 2 weeks away and there is some interest but neither place nor food wich are at least in my opinion some important part of an Picknick. OK enough Rant back to you Silence. -- Knowledge should be free! ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Hackathon or editathon-like events subject to regulation in CA?
I doubt if we have anything to worry about -- or someone would be chasing after the entire MeetUp world. The article is very vague but my sense is that the state of CA is going after folks who claim to be schools, who charge $$, and run courses with at least a pass/fail outcome and some concept of an earned certificate. That's a far cry from folks getting together from time to time to teach each other stuff. kc On 1/30/14, 5:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: All, I read this article with some concern. Thoughts? http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/29/california-regulator-seeks-to-shut-down-learn-to-code-bootcamps/ Of course, hackathons and editathons in the Wikimedia space are typically offered for free, but I don't know from the article whether that makes a difference. (The article doesn't have anything to say about what compliance entails.) Interested in learning more about what's going on here. Pete -- Pete Forsyth Principal, Wiki Strategies [[User:Peteforsyth]] on Wikipedia/Wikimedia ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
[Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley edit-a-thon, Feb. 9
I've started a page for an upcoming Berkeley edit-a-thon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Berkeley/2014/Feb9 This one is on a Sunday afternoon at the central library branch. That means a shorter amount of time, but I thought we should try a Sunday. The evening before is the yearly gala fundraising event, and that means that some of the decorations should still be up. See: http://www.bplf.org/authors-dinner If you can ever afford to attend ($500), it's a wonderful event organized around local authors. I'll send out meetup notices, etc. Please edit, repost, signup, etc. at will. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
[Wikimedia-SF] Edit-a-thon, Berkeley, Nov. 16, South Branch
Another great Berkeley Wikipedians meetup! This time we will meet at the South Branch of the Berkeley Public Library, which is a short walk from the Ashby BART station. The South Branch is one of the newly renovated branches, and is also the home of the famous Tool Lending Library. We'll start around 1:00, and begin cleaning up around 5:00. Bring a laptop and ideas. Oh, and any spare extension cords :-) kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
[Wikimedia-SF] Still seeking date for next Berkeley meeting
Well, I don't know how Shreyas managed to get us the room at BPL last time, but I'm having no luck for our next meeting. I've been told that the following are the only weekend dates available: Sunday November 10 Saturday November 23 Sunday December 8 Saturday December 21 Sunday December 22 Saturday December 28 Sunday December 29 Sundays the library is only open until 5:00 so it doesn't give us much time. The available Saturdays are all around holidays. Does anyone else have the ability to find us space in October and November? We could try one of the other public library buildings but none of them are particularly convenient to public transportation, unfortunately. Ideas? Suggestions? (I really really want Berkeley to have a hacker space!) kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
[Wikimedia-SF] Thanks, and next edit-a-thon
Thanks to everyone who came to the Berkeley Wikpedia edit-a-thon. It was a great success, about two dozen folks, excellent meeting room, good enough wifi, lots of power outlets, movable furniture, and we had a projector. Doesn't get much better than that. We unanimously non-voted to do this again, so I'm putting out this date for consideration: Saturday, Oct. 26 How is that for folks? kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Saturday, Sept. 21, Berkeley Public Library
Sue, sorry we won't see you, but another time, for sure. This connects up to Asaf's desire to work on bibliographies, I think. I, too, am very interested in that. My goal would be to have a set of good readings on as many of the topics in Wikipedia that we can cover. Not a giant-o complete list of everything written, but perhaps a start here, continue on to... There's no use giving folks a list of 3000 books and articles on a topic if you don't give them a starting point. So I've been reading up on principles of bibliography, classification, etc., and I think this is something that we can do that is totally useful. If I get a chance I'll make a short bibliography of these on Zotero or something, so that they don't get lost. kc On 8/27/13 11:33 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: Gah. I just realized I'm out of town that weekend so I won't be at the editathon. That's a shame --- I'd been looking forward to it. FWIW though, in case anybody wants to edit on transgender issues, here are the books I've been working from. I'm not saying they're the best, but they seem fine :-) Thanks, Sue * Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic Transsexualism By Anne A. Lawrence * Principles and Practice of Sex Therapy, Fourth Edition edited by Sandra R. Leiblum * Clinical Skills in Infant Mental Health By Louise Newman, Beulah Warren * Whipping Girl:A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity by Julia Serano (*this one's great for general orientation to the topic) * Gender Circuits: Bodies and Identities in a Technological Age By Eve Shapiro * Beyond Sexuality By Tim Dean * The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People By Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health Issues and Research Gaps and Opportunities, Board on the Health of Select Populations, Institute of Medicine * The Riddle of Gender By Deborah Rudacille * Transitions: A Guide to Transitioning for Transsexuals and Their Families By Mara Drummond * Gender Dysphoria and Disorders of Sex Development: Progress in Care and Knowledge (Focus on Sexuality Research) [Hardcover] Baudewijntje P.C. Kreukels (Editor), Thomas D. Steensma (Editor), Annelou L.C. de Vries (Editor) * Perspectives on Human Sexuality By Anne Bolin, Patricia Whelehan * Human Sexuality: Biological, Psychological, and Cultural Perspectives By Anne Bolin On 26 August 2013 16:23, Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net wrote: OK, you can be the reference librarian! kc On 8/26/13 1:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: I'll come with a VPN set up to UCB's campus that will allow me to pull down articles from almost all academic journals for people as needed. Kevin Gorman On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org mailto:sgard...@wikimedia.org mailto:sgard...@wikimedia.org mailto:sgard...@wikimedia.org__ wrote: I usually find my sources through Google Books (plus I have a hard copy of Julia Serano's Whipping Girl). I'll check my Google Books bookmarks, probably tonight, and send them to this list. The journal subscriptions will be really useful for me too -- I don't have access to anything that's not publicly available. Thanks, Sue On Aug 26, 2013 1:06 PM, Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net wrote: Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some reference materials in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.) I know what you mean about actually editing. Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits. kc On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics (gender identity disorder and stuff like that), since they are presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good. (That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.) Thanks, Sue On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, Kevin
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Saturday, Sept. 21, Berkeley Public Library
Thanks, Kevin! I find that when I'm not in a two-screen situation, it helps to have cheat sheets separate, so I will print out some for those who, like me, can forget the cheat from one window to the next. :-) kc On 8/25/13 3:00 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use. I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days. Thanks, Kevin Gorman -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
Maybe I should clarify that my idea for a Berkeley group is that it is a group that will (mostly) meet in Berkeley. That says nothing about who *can* attend -- anyone who wants to come can come. But I'm in Berkeley and I want there to be some meetings in Berkeley. That's all. kc On 7/29/13 7:29 PM, maiki wrote: We had a similar discussion back in January: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Groups/San_Francisco#New.2C_related_group_starting_up_23290 I hope folks get together and edit lots of pages. For my part, I don't want to be part of a group or chapter, I would rather just have an easy way to follow get togethers, and pick which ones I show up at. This is the only Wikipedia list I will subscribe to, so if folks do end up making new groups, please include a page of events I can watch somewhere (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Groups?) or make a calendar available. Part of accessibility is being flexible and considerate of folks who work all kinds of hours and also have childcare needs, among others. The very act of creating a group signals to some that they have to be more involved than you would propose, so I advocate for an informal group that uses the existing channels to broadcast their meetings, at least until they've hit that critical mass that they need to create their own bureaucracy. ^_^ More pointed, I would be interested in attending and acting as roving support; I don't have a lot of knowledge about any local areas, but I geek out on MediaWiki, and have experience as an editor in the sense of checking others' work. I hope you folks success in getting a space somewhere. maiki On 07/29/2013 05:53 PM, Sabahat Ashraf (iFaqeer) wrote: I want to chime in and support this proposal. If the group gets too big and we have a lot of people from Oakland or Fremont (my personal home), we can spin out, but for now, please consider this. If not in the name, at least in terms of how the chapter is defined and described. Sabahat. --- Sabahat I Ashraf (iFaqeer) Communicator. Citizen. Fakir. iFaqeer @ Gmail/Gtalk, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, .com darwaish @ yahoo 415 881 7834 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Sarah Stierch sstie...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, Weird request and I understand if it gets shot down for locality: If a Berkeley meetup group is being formed, think we can create it as an East Bay group instead? I live in Oakland, and I think ideally it would be unifying (since our groups are so small) to make it an encompassing group so folks throughout the region feel welcome. But, I also understand if folks want to keep it Berkeley-centric for Berkeley locals. (And those who feel bold enough to act like like one/invade :) ) Thanks for taking the lead on this, it is very appreciated! Sarah Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net wrote: Hello, all. I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group. I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me? I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer seems to disrupt schedules. If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, if it's not a large one. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
Hi, Shreyas. Thanks. The problem with the campus is that its wifi is not open - each user has to have a separate login. There are folks who can give us logins, but it's a bit of a pain. The BPL has open wifi, but their public room rules say: Permission to use the Library’s Community Rooms or Electronic Classroom will be granted to Berkeley-based civic, cultural, educational organizations or businesses, or to locally-operating government agencies, departments or commissions. Organizations not located in Berkeley may be required to provide proof of regular operation or programs within Berkeley such as brochures, newsletters or website printouts. However, Asaf got a room there once, so I'm going to consider that a possibility. kc On 7/29/13 11:02 AM, Shreyas Patankar wrote: Hi Karen, Sorry I did not get back to you earlier. I can think of a couple of options so far: 1) Campus libraries: It seems it is easy for registered campus organizations to get access to meeting rooms. The problem is, although Berkeley Wikipedia club is a registered group, room reservation can only be done by a signatory for the group. The group mailing list itself is inactive - I wonder if anyone on this list (Kevin Gorman?) is a signatory. 2) The Berkeley Public Library: They seem to have a public room for community events (free, with free wifi) if you book it well in advance. http://www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org/community/book_a_meeting_room.php 3) I've written to my friend who works with the Compass Project, a student support group in the physical sciences, to see if they have any space that we can use - but I've yet to hear back from them. Among these, the Berkeley Public Library looks like the safest bet. I'll let you know if I can think of anything else.. -Shreyas On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net wrote: Hello, all. I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group. I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me? I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer seems to disrupt schedules. If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, if it's not a large one. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 tel:1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 tel:1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet _ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.__org mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
Michael, I think this is a good idea, especially if we have folks working on specific pages or areas. I do think a few f2f meetings will be needed, and folks can do both or either. What I have found in the WP editing sessions that I have attended is that often people are working on their own pages, but the draw is the banter and company, plus having someone immediately available to answer questions. In fact, there was a lot of cross-helping in the groups, since everyone has something to contribute. kc On 7/29/13 11:57 AM, Michael Kelly wrote: I wonder to what extent we could have meetings online? I started a meetup groups a while back and the biggest problem, as here, was always where and when to meet. That uses up a lot of our energy that could possibly be put to better use. Plus problems with the meeting place and time and just getting there added to the general inefficiency. There are two online ways to meet that come to mind: we could use something like gotomeeting where everyone signs on to a site and has the ability to talk or type, and become the presenter, showing anything they want on the screen (examples, articles, etc.) then turn the presenter role over to someone else. An interesting way to meet on a topic, and that is more visual, is to try to use Prezi. Its like a big sheet of paper on a table in front of us and we all type stuff, load vids, picts, pdfs, and then draw arrows between them that can be typed on too. If we are also on a conference call, we have voice channel too. Finally, there is a tool that stresses getting the meaning documented on what we are discussing and is a personal favorite of mine: CMAP from the Florida Institute for Man Machine Interface, or something like that. (easy to find with Google). Its free and goes sooo well with Wikimedia thinking. After all, we are all about documenting meaning. Any interest in trying these a couple of times? I could help set up a trial. Most of these are limited to 12 or 15 people at a time, so there is that. But all are free. Mike Kelly GigaMarketing/GigaCommunication *From:*wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Shreyas Patankar *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 11:03 AM *To:* Karen Coyle; San Francisco Bay Area Wikimedians *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians Hi Karen, Sorry I did not get back to you earlier. I can think of a couple of options so far: 1) Campus libraries: It seems it is easy for registered campus organizations to get access to meeting rooms. The problem is, although Berkeley Wikipedia club is a registered group, room reservation can only be done by a signatory for the group. The group mailing list itself is inactive - I wonder if anyone on this list (Kevin Gorman?) is a signatory. 2) The Berkeley Public Library: They seem to have a public room for community events (free, with free wifi) if you book it well in advance. http://www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org/community/book_a_meeting_room.php 3) I've written to my friend who works with the Compass Project, a student support group in the physical sciences, to see if they have any space that we can use - but I've yet to hear back from them. Among these, the Berkeley Public Library looks like the safest bet. I'll let you know if I can think of anything else.. -Shreyas On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net wrote: Hello, all. I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group. I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me? I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer seems to disrupt schedules. If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, if it's not a large one. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 tel:1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 tel:1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
Jeremy, I'm not sure what kind of discussion relating to Wikipedia would be appropriate for an online meetup, but maybe others have an idea. As I said, what I've found about WP meetups is that people each work on a different page, but make use of nearby folks for advice, ideas, and company. I feel strongly about encouraging non-nerd humanists to participate in WP, as well as people of all ages and levels of computer experience. I believe that this was also the motivation for the development of the WYSIWYG editor: for some people, wiki markup alone is a deterrent. I would say the same about IRC, which is a nerd-heavy communications channel. Unfortunately, Google, being now a key player in the military-industrial-surveillance community is something I would not recommend for anyone to join, although current members may wish to meet on a hangout. It works well for small numbers, but I have never tried to push it beyond 3-4 participants. I do agree that any kind of meeting has more chance of success if it has a theme or project. For Berkeley, the Berkeley-specific pages are in need of work, so we can easily start there. It would be fun, if we could do it, to meet with the public library librarian in charge of the history archives. kc On 7/29/13 1:50 PM, Jeremy Baron wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Michael Kelly mke...@techtel.com wrote: There are two online ways to meet that come to mind: we could use something like gotomeeting where everyone signs on to a site and has the ability to talk or type, and become the presenter, showing anything they want on the screen (examples, articles, etc.) then turn the presenter role over to someone else. I suggest either using * MeetBot on freenode (#wikimedia-us for now, #wikimedia-westcoast if you can get people to regularly show up there) ** I'm running a MeetBot instance on a Wikimedia DC server and it's lurking now in both #wikimedia-us and #wikimedia-westcoast waiting for a meeting to start. https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot#Howto ** in this case it's useful to make an agenda so you talk about one topic and when you finish then you move on and don't mix topics too much. to make the MeetBot output more useful for people that are not able to read the whole log or so they can get some idea about the discussion before they have a chance to read it in full. arbitrary example of the power of MeetBot chosen from a directory listing: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2013/debconf-team.2013-02-11-18.02.html or * a Google hangout on air (which means broadcast live to a nearly unlimited number of anonymous viewers and allows active participation by more than a few people at a time. (I don't know exactly what the limit is there)) ** (we should use a [[free software]] alternative at some point (so that when Google decides to modify, limit or discontinue hangouts we're not screwed among other reasons) but I'm not able to work on that right now and I think it's more important to offer a tool that can be used immediately. so for now I say hangouts but other people are welcome to find/make something even better.) Or a combination of both. FWIW, I personally am opposed to using any sort of solution that would not allow 50 (or even 100) people simultaneous viewers. (and though Google does limit the number of active participants (speakers) I believe they can be rotated so that by the end of the broadcast you could have had a total number of speakers in excess of the limit of simultaneous participants) But, OTOH, I've never set foot within 350 miles of the area covered by this list and haven't been to the west coast since I was = 10 years old. So, just my 2 cents and I'll let you make your own decisions. (but let me know if you want help with either of those options above) -Jeremy ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
Thanks, Brian. I've been looking into mobile hot-spots as a way to expand our meeting place choices. My fear is that the speed will be a problem -- anyone have experience using these? kc On 7/16/13 9:56 AM, Brian C wrote: Hi, I should be able to arrange for a group to use South Hall on the UC Berkeley campus on a night or weekend, so long as it was a time I could attend. I would also be able to generate guest passes for the WiFi. I have an extremely busy schedule until at least mid August, however, so it might be best to keep this in mind as a backup plan or for a later event this Fall. -- Brian W. Carver Assistant Professor University of California, Berkeley School of Information 102 South Hall Berkeley, CA 94720-4600 On 07/12/2013 09:02 PM, wikimedia-sf-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 07:36:39 -0700 From: Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians Message-ID: 51e01477.5040...@kcoyle.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social) with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use. I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together. I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship, but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst, Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are here. kc ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet ___ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
*sigh* I'm hoping that the public library isn't too strict about use of their community spaces, but unfortunately this is what they say about it: Permission to use the Library’s Community Rooms or Electronic Classroom will be granted to Berkeley-based civic, cultural, educational organizations or businesses, or to locally-operating government agencies, departments or commissions. Organizations not located in Berkeley may be required to provide proof of regular operation or programs within Berkeley such as brochures, newsletters or website printouts. That seems awfully restrictive to me, but maybe we can get around it. One of the problems of meeting on campus is that they don't have easy guest access to their wifi network -- someone with certain stature has to request individual guest passwords that are valid for 24 hours. These are some of the reasons why I've been hoping for an independent hacker space. kc On 7/12/13 10:19 AM, Shreyas Patankar wrote: Hi Karen, I'm also interested in trying to find or arrange for some place where we can do edit-a-thons in Berkeley, in addition to the many options in Oakland and SF. A couple of ideas I had was trying to arrange something at the Berkeley Public Library (like the OaklandWiki people have done in Oakland) or one of the University libraries. I'll talk to my friends in campus student organizations to see if they have any suggestions. Let me know if you can think of something - I would be happy to help in organizing a meeting. Shreyas On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net wrote: Merrilee - I will stop in at the Hackermoms space - I haven't been there. I do fear that it may be a bit ... mom-ish, but I should hold that thought until I get a look at it. Thanks, kc On 7/12/13 8:10 AM, Proffitt,Merrilee wrote: Hi Karen, The Oakland Local wiki people have regular meetups once a month or more. Wikipedians are welcome. I've joined them in the past and enjoyed it quite a bit! And meeting in the Oakland History room is totally awesome. http://oaklandwiki.org/Local___History_Editathons http://oaklandwiki.org/Local_History_Editathons Hacker Moms is a hacker space in Berkeley. We approached them about hosting a women's Wikipedia meetup once, but it didn't work out, I think because their space wasn't as large as we wanted it to be? Someone else on the list might remember. http://mothership.hackermoms.__org/ http://mothership.hackermoms.org/ Merrilee __ From: wikimedia-sf-bounces@lists.__wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org wikimedia-sf-bounces@lists.__wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:36 AM To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.__org mailto:wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social) with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use. I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together. I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship, but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst, Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are here. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 tel:1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 tel:1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet _ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.__org mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 tel:1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 tel:1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet _ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.__org mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo
