Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikisa-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wikipedias - Sanskrit

[John Vandenberg]

Sanskrit Wikisource needs translators.

There are about 60 messages which are needed before Wikisource can
start doing quality work

https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D#Changes_needed_in_wikisource

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Shiju Alex  wrote:
> Dear All,
> As mentioned in the last two mails, as part of the Indic Languages
> initiatives of India Programs, I have been having detailed discussions with
> a wide range of Indic language wikipedians for the past few weeks.  I
> already shared the summary of the discussions I had with with the Assamese
> and Hindi wikimedians.
> Today I'm sharing a summary of the discussions I had with the Sanskrit
> wikipedians. It is available here:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Sanskrit/Discussions/2011
> I must say the progress made by Sanskrit wiki projects in the past 2 years
> is marvelous, especially considering the fact that its speaker base is too
> low (compared to the rest of the 20 indic languages having wikipedia). The
> amount of activism is  Sanskrit wikisource is also very high. I am sure
> Sanskrit wiki community is the one wiki community that is going
> to utilize all the sister projects at its fullest.
> Sanskrit wiki workshops are happening all over the country. Today I attended
> a Sanskrit wiki workshop in a Sanskrit institution at New Dellhi. In Delhi
> itself Sanskrit wikipedians are planning many other Sanskrit wiki
> activities. With so many volunteers involved in the projects I am sure
> Sanskrit is going to make good progress.
> Inviting your comments on the talk page.
> Regards,
> Shiju Alex
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[Wikimediaindia-l] translation rally

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Today is the translation rally in Pune. What we expect is that we will
break the records of translatewiki.net for things like most translated
messages in an hour or most translated messages in a day.

What we would not mind is when people from all over India join us in
the fun. The localisation of the MediaWiki software is the most
effective way of improving the usability of Wikis in a language other
then English. Thanks to the use of the "LocalisationUpdate" extension,
localisations are likely to be in production within a day maximum two.

I would be more then happy when India proves that it cares for its
many languages. Another reason why we want you to join in the fun is
because you will be testing our input methods and WebFonts and we
REALLY want to learn about any and all issues you find with these...
If something does not look good, provide us with a screen shot print
it, write on it, scan it but REALLY help us understand what your
issues are.

The whole Wikimedia Localisation team is in Pune and we REALLY want to
get the most of this opportunity.

Remember, we intent to have WebFonts go live on December 12.
Thanks,
  GerardM


NB Yes, you can have a local system for whatever purpose and run
LocalisationUpdate on a daily basis. It will improve the usability of
Indic languages when you support these.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration

[Vickram Crishna]

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If it is about data entry, then Braille doesn't really play much of a role
> does it?
> AFAIK, visually challenged people don't 'write' in Braille, just read.
> Correct me if I'm wrong please.
>

+1. Please read the article and view the video, otherwise we might as well
be on two different planets :-)

And please don't just take my word for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braille


> --Regards,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Vickram Crishna  > wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> The article is very clear: it is touchscreen for data entry, not reading.
>> The device (integrated with TTS) reads out the characters as they are being
>> typed.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gerard, Vickram,
>>> From my experience I know that Braille is a physically read language. It
>>> is read by feeling the raised dots on a surface. Eg: On elevator buttons, a
>>> series of dots on each button.
>>> I fail to understand how a touch screen display can work here.
>>> Regards,
>>> Srikanth
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Vickram Crishna <
>>> vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote:
>>>


 On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
 gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hoi,
> I do not know exactly how Braille works but if a character in a
> standard script can be represented by Braille characters in stead,
> then all it seems to need is a method for us to replace the existing
> Unicode character with the Braille Unicode character. As we already
> have WebFonts functionality it seems to me that what is needed is a
> conversion before the characters are send to the user. When this is
> done, we can show you the Braille characters on your screen.
>

 What works for persons with visual challenges, who have been trained to
 use Braille typing, is the sequence of simultaneous keypresses that
 translate into language characters (there are Braille variants for
 non-Roman scripts). Since the visually challenged person cannot see the
 screen in any case, the display is not the point. This particular solution
 allows the touchscreen to accept multiple fingertip contact as individual
 characters, and of course, for the screen to switch smoothly between screen
 reading (TTS) and data entry.

>
> When a Braille keyboard is used, what is needed is to convert the
> Braille sequences to whatever script / language is used before it is
> actually saved.
>
> +1


> I am convinced that there are many developers both in India and in the
> rest of the world who are able to take on this challenge and have a
> proof of concept in a week.
>

 Remember it has to be integrated with the TTS used by the device. There
 are several out there, with different kinds of 'voices', a major one I know
 about being Festival (FOSS), but at the Conference, several persons
 referred to eSpeak. An important related piece of work is to augment the
 existing TTS' with Indian languages, also (for English) with Indian
 accents.

 Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 24 November 2011 22:12, Pradeep Mohandas
>  wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > We were happy to have people with visual challenges challenging our
> > interactions with them. I, personally, was challenged at at least
> two points
> > in the conference although I thought I had been sensitized for such
> > interactions.
> >
> > We do have an online feedback form for the Conference but wonder
> whether we
> > can have more ways to reach people with visual challenges and the
> aged for
> > feedback on how the Conference treated them and how we can improve
> our
> > communication of the Conference (in future) to them.
> >
> > Thank you for bringing up this point, Vickram.
> >
> > warm regards,
> > Pradeep Mohandas
> >
> > User:Prad2609
> >
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:45:03 +0530
> > From: vvcris...@radiophony.com
> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration
> >
> > Several persons attending the recent WikiConfIndia 2011 drew
> attention to
> > the need for greater ease of use for persons with visual challenges
> - Barry
> > Newstead referred specifically to this need, commenting that in
> general,
> > usability improvements for persons with special needs pay off for the
> > community at large.
> >
> > This recent development at Stanford
> >
> http://www.springwise.com/lifestyle_leisure/braille-writing-software-touchscreen-devices/
> > describes how visually impaired persons with Braille skills can
>>

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikisa-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wikipedias - Sanskrit

[Swaroop Rao]

Thanks Shiju for the compilation. I've made my notes on the talk page.

Thanks,
Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch )






On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 23:29, Shiju Alex  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> As mentioned in the last two mails, as part of the Indic Languages
> initiatives of India 
> Programs,
> I have been having detailed discussions with a wide range of Indic language
> wikipedians for the past few weeks.  I already shared the summary of the
> discussions I had with with the 
> Assameseand
> Hindiwikimedians.
>
> Today I'm sharing a summary of the discussions I had with the Sanskrit
> wikipedians. It is available here:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Sanskrit/Discussions/2011
>
> I must say the progress made by Sanskrit wiki projects in the past 2 years
> is marvelous, especially considering the fact that its speaker base is too
> low (compared to the rest of the 20 indic languages having wikipedia). The
> amount of activism is  Sanskrit wikisource is also very high. I am sure
> Sanskrit wiki community is the one wiki community that is going
> to utilize all the sister projects at its fullest.
>
> Sanskrit wiki workshops are happening all over the country. Today I
> attended a Sanskrit wiki workshop in a Sanskrit institution at New Dellhi.
> In Delhi itself Sanskrit wikipedians are planning many other Sanskrit wiki
> activities. With so many volunteers involved in the projects I am sure
> Sanskrit is going to make good progress.
>
> Inviting your comments on the talk page.
>
> Regards,
> Shiju Alex
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wikipedias - Sanskrit

[Shiju Alex]

Dear All,

As mentioned in the last two mails, as part of the Indic Languages
initiatives of India
Programs,
I have been having detailed discussions with a wide range of Indic language
wikipedians for the past few weeks.  I already shared the summary of the
discussions I had with with the
Assameseand
Hindiwikimedians.

Today I'm sharing a summary of the discussions I had with the Sanskrit
wikipedians. It is available here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Sanskrit/Discussions/2011

I must say the progress made by Sanskrit wiki projects in the past 2 years
is marvelous, especially considering the fact that its speaker base is too
low (compared to the rest of the 20 indic languages having wikipedia). The
amount of activism is  Sanskrit wikisource is also very high. I am sure
Sanskrit wiki community is the one wiki community that is going
to utilize all the sister projects at its fullest.

Sanskrit wiki workshops are happening all over the country. Today I
attended a Sanskrit wiki workshop in a Sanskrit institution at New Dellhi.
In Delhi itself Sanskrit wikipedians are planning many other Sanskrit wiki
activities. With so many volunteers involved in the projects I am sure
Sanskrit is going to make good progress.

Inviting your comments on the talk page.

Regards,
Shiju Alex
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Invite for contributing a blogpost for WIkimedia.in on Wiki Conference India

[Arjuna Rao Chavala]

Hi,

Here is an open invite for anyone who attended the WCI to contribute a
blogpost to the site http://wikimedia.in
Please register on the site (Right side menu, menta ->Register)) and send
me a mail for changing your user rights as contributor, if you are
interested.

Cheers
Arjun
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[Wikimediaindia-l] (no subject)

[TUKARAM BHAGAT]

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

If it is about data entry, then Braille doesn't really play much of a role
does it?
AFAIK, visually challenged people don't 'write' in Braille, just read.
Correct me if I'm wrong please.

--Regards,


On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Vickram Crishna
wrote:

> Hello
>
> The article is very clear: it is touchscreen for data entry, not reading.
> The device (integrated with TTS) reads out the characters as they are being
> typed.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gerard, Vickram,
>> From my experience I know that Braille is a physically read language. It
>> is read by feeling the raised dots on a surface. Eg: On elevator buttons, a
>> series of dots on each button.
>> I fail to understand how a touch screen display can work here.
>> Regards,
>> Srikanth
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Vickram Crishna <
>> vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hoi,
 I do not know exactly how Braille works but if a character in a
 standard script can be represented by Braille characters in stead,
 then all it seems to need is a method for us to replace the existing
 Unicode character with the Braille Unicode character. As we already
 have WebFonts functionality it seems to me that what is needed is a
 conversion before the characters are send to the user. When this is
 done, we can show you the Braille characters on your screen.

>>>
>>> What works for persons with visual challenges, who have been trained to
>>> use Braille typing, is the sequence of simultaneous keypresses that
>>> translate into language characters (there are Braille variants for
>>> non-Roman scripts). Since the visually challenged person cannot see the
>>> screen in any case, the display is not the point. This particular solution
>>> allows the touchscreen to accept multiple fingertip contact as individual
>>> characters, and of course, for the screen to switch smoothly between screen
>>> reading (TTS) and data entry.
>>>

 When a Braille keyboard is used, what is needed is to convert the
 Braille sequences to whatever script / language is used before it is
 actually saved.

 +1
>>>
>>>
 I am convinced that there are many developers both in India and in the
 rest of the world who are able to take on this challenge and have a
 proof of concept in a week.

>>>
>>> Remember it has to be integrated with the TTS used by the device. There
>>> are several out there, with different kinds of 'voices', a major one I know
>>> about being Festival (FOSS), but at the Conference, several persons
>>> referred to eSpeak. An important related piece of work is to augment the
>>> existing TTS' with Indian languages, also (for English) with Indian
>>> accents.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 24 November 2011 22:12, Pradeep Mohandas
  wrote:
 > hi,
 >
 > We were happy to have people with visual challenges challenging our
 > interactions with them. I, personally, was challenged at at least two
 points
 > in the conference although I thought I had been sensitized for such
 > interactions.
 >
 > We do have an online feedback form for the Conference but wonder
 whether we
 > can have more ways to reach people with visual challenges and the
 aged for
 > feedback on how the Conference treated them and how we can improve our
 > communication of the Conference (in future) to them.
 >
 > Thank you for bringing up this point, Vickram.
 >
 > warm regards,
 > Pradeep Mohandas
 >
 > User:Prad2609
 >
 > 
 > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:45:03 +0530
 > From: vvcris...@radiophony.com
 > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration
 >
 > Several persons attending the recent WikiConfIndia 2011 drew
 attention to
 > the need for greater ease of use for persons with visual challenges -
 Barry
 > Newstead referred specifically to this need, commenting that in
 general,
 > usability improvements for persons with special needs pay off for the
 > community at large.
 >
 > This recent development at Stanford
 >
 http://www.springwise.com/lifestyle_leisure/braille-writing-software-touchscreen-devices/
 > describes how visually impaired persons with Braille skills can
 interact
 > directly with touchscreen devices. What is very striking about this
 solution
 > is that it does not involve tactile feedback, as one might expect.
 Instead,
 > once switched to Braille mode, the screen senses multiple finger
 placement
 > and translates that into the expected Braille codes (see the video to
 > understand this, if you are unfamiliar with Braille typing).

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Gautam,
yes, good question.
They just spoke about the map with disputed regions from what I know.
So, that only means maps depicting Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh no?
--Re

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> Does anyone know what map they are referring to?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> (handheld)
> On Nov 25, 2011 3:46 PM, "Srikanth Ramakrishnan" 
> wrote:
>
>> Pradeep told me that there were hardly two dozen.
>> But, I believe that article shall die soon.
>>
>> Also, the map in question, was made by Nicholas right? So why are they
>> after Arjuna and the Chapter?
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 13:09, Achal Prabhala wrote:
>>>
 The number (and the total inconsistency with how many people actually
 protested) comes from here:


 http://www.indianexpress.com/news/protest-against-wrong-map-mars-countrys-first-wiki-conference/877826/0

 in which it simultaneously describes "hundreds of protesters" *and* that
 "all 21 who protested were arrested".

 Go figure.

 The article that's been created out of the controversy is a storm in a
 teacup (and as such is hardly notable) but the storm was so small it was
 barely noticeable - and would have stayed that way except for the
 misreporting of it.

>>>
>>>
>>> I must say I was slightly disappointed at the size of the protest. We
>>> heard the protest begin, we went around asking all attendees standing
>>> outside to enter the convocation hall; by the time we reached the gate from
>>> the lawns, the protesters had already been swept into a police van and were
>>> about to leave.
>>>
>>> To be fair, they were far outnumbered by the police.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>> http://meta.wiki,edia.org/wiki/Meetup:Coimbatore
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration

[Vickram Crishna]

Hello

The article is very clear: it is touchscreen for data entry, not reading.
The device (integrated with TTS) reads out the characters as they are being
typed.

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gerard, Vickram,
> From my experience I know that Braille is a physically read language. It
> is read by feeling the raised dots on a surface. Eg: On elevator buttons, a
> series of dots on each button.
> I fail to understand how a touch screen display can work here.
> Regards,
> Srikanth
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Vickram Crishna  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> I do not know exactly how Braille works but if a character in a
>>> standard script can be represented by Braille characters in stead,
>>> then all it seems to need is a method for us to replace the existing
>>> Unicode character with the Braille Unicode character. As we already
>>> have WebFonts functionality it seems to me that what is needed is a
>>> conversion before the characters are send to the user. When this is
>>> done, we can show you the Braille characters on your screen.
>>>
>>
>> What works for persons with visual challenges, who have been trained to
>> use Braille typing, is the sequence of simultaneous keypresses that
>> translate into language characters (there are Braille variants for
>> non-Roman scripts). Since the visually challenged person cannot see the
>> screen in any case, the display is not the point. This particular solution
>> allows the touchscreen to accept multiple fingertip contact as individual
>> characters, and of course, for the screen to switch smoothly between screen
>> reading (TTS) and data entry.
>>
>>>
>>> When a Braille keyboard is used, what is needed is to convert the
>>> Braille sequences to whatever script / language is used before it is
>>> actually saved.
>>>
>>> +1
>>
>>
>>> I am convinced that there are many developers both in India and in the
>>> rest of the world who are able to take on this challenge and have a
>>> proof of concept in a week.
>>>
>>
>> Remember it has to be integrated with the TTS used by the device. There
>> are several out there, with different kinds of 'voices', a major one I know
>> about being Festival (FOSS), but at the Conference, several persons
>> referred to eSpeak. An important related piece of work is to augment the
>> existing TTS' with Indian languages, also (for English) with Indian
>> accents.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>>   GerardM
>>>
>>> On 24 November 2011 22:12, Pradeep Mohandas
>>>  wrote:
>>> > hi,
>>> >
>>> > We were happy to have people with visual challenges challenging our
>>> > interactions with them. I, personally, was challenged at at least two
>>> points
>>> > in the conference although I thought I had been sensitized for such
>>> > interactions.
>>> >
>>> > We do have an online feedback form for the Conference but wonder
>>> whether we
>>> > can have more ways to reach people with visual challenges and the aged
>>> for
>>> > feedback on how the Conference treated them and how we can improve our
>>> > communication of the Conference (in future) to them.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for bringing up this point, Vickram.
>>> >
>>> > warm regards,
>>> > Pradeep Mohandas
>>> >
>>> > User:Prad2609
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:45:03 +0530
>>> > From: vvcris...@radiophony.com
>>> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration
>>> >
>>> > Several persons attending the recent WikiConfIndia 2011 drew attention
>>> to
>>> > the need for greater ease of use for persons with visual challenges -
>>> Barry
>>> > Newstead referred specifically to this need, commenting that in
>>> general,
>>> > usability improvements for persons with special needs pay off for the
>>> > community at large.
>>> >
>>> > This recent development at Stanford
>>> >
>>> http://www.springwise.com/lifestyle_leisure/braille-writing-software-touchscreen-devices/
>>> > describes how visually impaired persons with Braille skills can
>>> interact
>>> > directly with touchscreen devices. What is very striking about this
>>> solution
>>> > is that it does not involve tactile feedback, as one might expect.
>>> Instead,
>>> > once switched to Braille mode, the screen senses multiple finger
>>> placement
>>> > and translates that into the expected Braille codes (see the video to
>>> > understand this, if you are unfamiliar with Braille typing).
>>> >
>>> > To echo Barry's comments made at WCI2011, I think a certain amount of
>>> such
>>> > out-of-the-box thinking could go a long way to creating an interface
>>> that is
>>> > intuitively more approachable than the present wiki editor.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Vickram
>>> > Fool On The Hill
>>> >
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>>> > list Wikimediaindia-l@

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[Achal Prabhala]

:)

Though in fact we have definitive news sources indicating that only 21 
people showed up. (As well as photographic and video evidence from news 
media who were there).

And you're right, it really should be merged with the WikiConference 
article - I'm not sure if the suggestion has been made on the deletion 
discussion yet.


On Friday 25 November 2011 03:50 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Achal - can we accept an oral citation from Aditya? ;-)
>
> > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:09:40 +0530
> > From: aprabh...@gmail.com
> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...
> >
> > The number (and the total inconsistency with how many people actually
> > protested) comes from here:
> >
> > 
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/protest-against-wrong-map-mars-countrys-first-wiki-conference/877826/0
> >
> > in which it simultaneously describes "hundreds of protesters" *and* 
> that
> > "all 21 who protested were arrested".
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > The article that's been created out of the controversy is a storm in a
> > teacup (and as such is hardly notable) but the storm was so small it 
> was
> > barely noticeable - and would have stayed that way except for the
> > misreporting of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday 25 November 2011 01:02 PM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:11, Shiju Alex  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > And there is an en wikipedia article also on this topic:
> > >
> > > 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_youth_wing_protest_against_Wikipedia%27s_map_of_India
> > >
> > >
> > > "Over 100 protesters were present on the opening day of the first 
> Wiki
> > > Conference India 
> "?
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> > > (barely) seen.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[wheredevelsdare]

Achal - can we accept an oral citation from Aditya? ;-)

> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:09:40 +0530
> From: aprabh...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...
> 
> The number (and the total inconsistency with how many people actually 
> protested) comes from here:
> 
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/protest-against-wrong-map-mars-countrys-first-wiki-conference/877826/0
> 
> in which it simultaneously describes "hundreds of protesters" *and* that 
> "all 21 who protested were arrested".
> 
> Go figure.
> 
> The article that's been created out of the controversy is a storm in a 
> teacup (and as such is hardly notable) but the storm was so small it was 
> barely noticeable - and would have stayed that way except for the 
> misreporting of it.
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday 25 November 2011 01:02 PM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:11, Shiju Alex  > > wrote:
> >
> > And there is an en wikipedia article also on this topic:
> >
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_youth_wing_protest_against_Wikipedia%27s_map_of_India
> >
> >
> > "Over 100 protesters were present on the opening day of the first Wiki 
> > Conference India "?
> >
> > If this is indeed true, this was the most unfortunate morcha I've 
> > (barely) seen.
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[Gautam John]

Does anyone know what map they are referring to?

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam
(handheld)
On Nov 25, 2011 3:46 PM, "Srikanth Ramakrishnan" 
wrote:

> Pradeep told me that there were hardly two dozen.
> But, I believe that article shall die soon.
>
> Also, the map in question, was made by Nicholas right? So why are they
> after Arjuna and the Chapter?
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 13:09, Achal Prabhala wrote:
>>
>>> The number (and the total inconsistency with how many people actually
>>> protested) comes from here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/protest-against-wrong-map-mars-countrys-first-wiki-conference/877826/0
>>>
>>> in which it simultaneously describes "hundreds of protesters" *and* that
>>> "all 21 who protested were arrested".
>>>
>>> Go figure.
>>>
>>> The article that's been created out of the controversy is a storm in a
>>> teacup (and as such is hardly notable) but the storm was so small it was
>>> barely noticeable - and would have stayed that way except for the
>>> misreporting of it.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I must say I was slightly disappointed at the size of the protest. We
>> heard the protest begin, we went around asking all attendees standing
>> outside to enter the convocation hall; by the time we reached the gate from
>> the lawns, the protesters had already been swept into a police van and were
>> about to leave.
>>
>> To be fair, they were far outnumbered by the police.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mandar Kulkarni's interview on IBN Lokmat on Wikiconference India, Mumbai

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Congratulations.

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Mandar Kulkarni
wrote:

>
>
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wFN3R9WC8I
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[wheredevelsdare]

Was surprised to see a separate article on the protests and not as part of the 
event article - a good merge candidate IMHO 

> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:09:40 +0530
> From: aprabh...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...
> 
> The number (and the total inconsistency with how many people actually 
> protested) comes from here:
> 
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/protest-against-wrong-map-mars-countrys-first-wiki-conference/877826/0
> 
> in which it simultaneously describes "hundreds of protesters" *and* that 
> "all 21 who protested were arrested".
> 
> Go figure.
> 
> The article that's been created out of the controversy is a storm in a 
> teacup (and as such is hardly notable) but the storm was so small it was 
> barely noticeable - and would have stayed that way except for the 
> misreporting of it.
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday 25 November 2011 01:02 PM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:11, Shiju Alex  > > wrote:
> >
> > And there is an en wikipedia article also on this topic:
> >
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_youth_wing_protest_against_Wikipedia%27s_map_of_India
> >
> >
> > "Over 100 protesters were present on the opening day of the first Wiki 
> > Conference India "?
> >
> > If this is indeed true, this was the most unfortunate morcha I've 
> > (barely) seen.
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Pradeep told me that there were hardly two dozen.
But, I believe that article shall die soon.

Also, the map in question, was made by Nicholas right? So why are they
after Arjuna and the Chapter?

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 13:09, Achal Prabhala  wrote:
>
>> The number (and the total inconsistency with how many people actually
>> protested) comes from here:
>>
>>
>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/protest-against-wrong-map-mars-countrys-first-wiki-conference/877826/0
>>
>> in which it simultaneously describes "hundreds of protesters" *and* that
>> "all 21 who protested were arrested".
>>
>> Go figure.
>>
>> The article that's been created out of the controversy is a storm in a
>> teacup (and as such is hardly notable) but the storm was so small it was
>> barely noticeable - and would have stayed that way except for the
>> misreporting of it.
>>
>
>
> I must say I was slightly disappointed at the size of the protest. We
> heard the protest begin, we went around asking all attendees standing
> outside to enter the convocation hall; by the time we reached the gate from
> the lawns, the protesters had already been swept into a police van and were
> about to leave.
>
> To be fair, they were far outnumbered by the police.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Gerard, Vickram,
>From my experience I know that Braille is a physically read language. It is
read by feeling the raised dots on a surface. Eg: On elevator buttons, a
series of dots on each button.
I fail to understand how a touch screen display can work here.
Regards,
Srikanth

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Vickram Crishna
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> I do not know exactly how Braille works but if a character in a
>> standard script can be represented by Braille characters in stead,
>> then all it seems to need is a method for us to replace the existing
>> Unicode character with the Braille Unicode character. As we already
>> have WebFonts functionality it seems to me that what is needed is a
>> conversion before the characters are send to the user. When this is
>> done, we can show you the Braille characters on your screen.
>>
>
> What works for persons with visual challenges, who have been trained to
> use Braille typing, is the sequence of simultaneous keypresses that
> translate into language characters (there are Braille variants for
> non-Roman scripts). Since the visually challenged person cannot see the
> screen in any case, the display is not the point. This particular solution
> allows the touchscreen to accept multiple fingertip contact as individual
> characters, and of course, for the screen to switch smoothly between screen
> reading (TTS) and data entry.
>
>>
>> When a Braille keyboard is used, what is needed is to convert the
>> Braille sequences to whatever script / language is used before it is
>> actually saved.
>>
>> +1
>
>
>> I am convinced that there are many developers both in India and in the
>> rest of the world who are able to take on this challenge and have a
>> proof of concept in a week.
>>
>
> Remember it has to be integrated with the TTS used by the device. There
> are several out there, with different kinds of 'voices', a major one I know
> about being Festival (FOSS), but at the Conference, several persons
> referred to eSpeak. An important related piece of work is to augment the
> existing TTS' with Indian languages, also (for English) with Indian
> accents.
>
> Thanks,
>>   GerardM
>>
>> On 24 November 2011 22:12, Pradeep Mohandas
>>  wrote:
>> > hi,
>> >
>> > We were happy to have people with visual challenges challenging our
>> > interactions with them. I, personally, was challenged at at least two
>> points
>> > in the conference although I thought I had been sensitized for such
>> > interactions.
>> >
>> > We do have an online feedback form for the Conference but wonder
>> whether we
>> > can have more ways to reach people with visual challenges and the aged
>> for
>> > feedback on how the Conference treated them and how we can improve our
>> > communication of the Conference (in future) to them.
>> >
>> > Thank you for bringing up this point, Vickram.
>> >
>> > warm regards,
>> > Pradeep Mohandas
>> >
>> > User:Prad2609
>> >
>> > 
>> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:45:03 +0530
>> > From: vvcris...@radiophony.com
>> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration
>> >
>> > Several persons attending the recent WikiConfIndia 2011 drew attention
>> to
>> > the need for greater ease of use for persons with visual challenges -
>> Barry
>> > Newstead referred specifically to this need, commenting that in general,
>> > usability improvements for persons with special needs pay off for the
>> > community at large.
>> >
>> > This recent development at Stanford
>> >
>> http://www.springwise.com/lifestyle_leisure/braille-writing-software-touchscreen-devices/
>> > describes how visually impaired persons with Braille skills can interact
>> > directly with touchscreen devices. What is very striking about this
>> solution
>> > is that it does not involve tactile feedback, as one might expect.
>> Instead,
>> > once switched to Braille mode, the screen senses multiple finger
>> placement
>> > and translates that into the expected Braille codes (see the video to
>> > understand this, if you are unfamiliar with Braille typing).
>> >
>> > To echo Barry's comments made at WCI2011, I think a certain amount of
>> such
>> > out-of-the-box thinking could go a long way to creating an interface
>> that is
>> > intuitively more approachable than the present wiki editor.
>> >
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>> > Fool On The Hill
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Mandar Kulkarni's interview on IBN Lokmat on Wikiconference India, Mumbai

[Mandar Kulkarni]

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wFN3R9WC8I
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mumbai hackathon followup

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Pradeep Mohandas
 wrote:
> hi Sumana,
>
> Thanks for that update and also thanks to the Engineering team at WMF for
> the Hackathon. Any possibilities on developers meeting each other and
> newbies attending these? Also, any possibilities to catch up for those who
> missed the session in Mumbai?

Come over to Pune on 26th. We have a translation sprint and most of
the techie team will be available.

Regards,
-Sudhanwa

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Mandar Kulkarni's interview on IBN Lokmat on Wikiconference India, Mumbai

[Mandar Kulkarni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wFN3R9WC8I
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[Wikimediaindia-l] आकाशवाणी मुंबई वरील विकी संमेलनाचे ध्वनी मुद्रण....! वृत्त विशेष

[Mandar Kulkarni]

नमस्कार, 

>आकाशवाणी मुंबई  वरील विकी संमेलनाचे ध्वनी मुद्रण ! वृत्त विशेष दि. 
>२२/११/२०११ 
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