Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages
Just a suggestion. Why not put up such projects on Meta/ Keeping them on the English wikipedia brings about a misconception that it is restricted to English. P.S: I've been told that the words 'Indic' and 'Vernacular' are derogatory. Let's say Indian languages shall we? On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In India, We have electricity and internet problems, and even Offline Wikipedia also shows limitation if person is unable to read/person with disabilities to read.. It may be useful to have *basic health related Indic articles* covered on Spoken Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia/Indic_Languages . It will create general awareness about common diseases like Diabetics, Cancer, Dengue etc. (Multimedia) Mobile Phones penetration in rural area is high, and Indic Language Spoken articles can be circulated easily via chain messaging or via operators. Please have a look at - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia/Indic_Languages What do you think? Best Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, User:AbhiSuryawanshi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AbhiSuryawanshi On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Club_Pune/About_Us ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages
2012/11/13 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in: P.S: I've been told that the words 'Indic' and 'Vernacular' are derogatory. Citation needed. I hope not to derail this thread, but AFAIK there's nothing derogatory in these words. I don't even know why do you mention vernacular, which didn't appear in the email. Correct me if I'm missing anything. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages
Amir, I was merely told by someone. I was told that both words were derogatory [at the same time, hence I mentioned both]. If you wish to discuss this further, we can take it offlist. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2012/11/13 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in: P.S: I've been told that the words 'Indic' and 'Vernacular' are derogatory. Citation needed. I hope not to derail this thread, but AFAIK there's nothing derogatory in these words. I don't even know why do you mention vernacular, which didn't appear in the email. Correct me if I'm missing anything. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Sign this petition to introduce Volvo buses in Coimbatore city: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages
2012/11/13 Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com: Amir, I was merely told by someone. I was told that both words were derogatory [at the same time, hence I mentioned both]. If you wish to discuss this further, we can take it offlist. If he didn't explain it, then you can presume that it's wrong. There's nothing to discuss, and there's nothing wrong with saying Indic languages. -- Amir ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: If he didn't explain it, then you can presume that it's wrong. There's nothing to discuss, and there's nothing wrong with saying Indic languages. The word Indic refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. Hence, bunching the entire system of Dravidian languages together with the Indo-Aryan languages in India may seem derogatory to some, and reasonably so. Just my two cents, Anirudh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
On Wednesday 14 November 2012 09:31 AM, Anirudh Bhati wrote: The word Indic refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. [citation needed] Then Why don't they just called Indic language, other than Indo-Aryan family of Languages. Hence, bunching the entire system of Dravidian languages together with the Indo-Aryan languages in India may seem derogatory to some, [who?] and reasonably so. Just my two cents, Anirudh IMHO, This is the most funniest argument I've ever heard on this matter. :-) ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2012/11/14 Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: If he didn't explain it, then you can presume that it's wrong. There's nothing to discuss, and there's nothing wrong with saying Indic languages. The word Indic refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. Not necessarily. According to Meriam-Webster, the adjective Indic may refer to Indo-Aryan and to all of India. Moreover, Indic scripts refers to all Brahmic scripts, and that is the most common term today. The English Wikipedia redirected [[Indic languages]] to [[Indo-Aryan languages]], but that was a mistake, and I just fixed it. Hence, bunching the entire system of Dravidian languages together with the Indo-Aryan languages in India may seem derogatory to some, and reasonably so. No, not derogatory. At worst, it's ambiguous. Making up bad connotations for normal words is not so constructive. -- Amir ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
The word Indic refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. Hence, bunching the entire system of Dravidian languages together with the Indo-Aryan languages in India may seem derogatory to some, and reasonably so. *in·dic*/ˈindik/ Adjective: Relating to or denoting the group of Indo-European languages comprising Sanskrit and the modern Indian languages that are its descendants.Not sure whether it is derogatory though 'Indian' would be a better term. -- Vikram Vincent ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
I don't know which dictionary this is. Merriam-Webster says that it can be both: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indic Indic is very common in discussion of computing in the languages of India and its neighboring countries, all of which face similar challenges. There's nothing derogatory in it. 2012/11/14 Vikram Vincent vincentvik...@gmail.com The word Indic refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. Hence, bunching the entire system of Dravidian languages together with the Indo-Aryan languages in India may seem derogatory to some, and reasonably so. *in·dic*/ˈindik/ Adjective: Relating to or denoting the group of Indo-European languages comprising Sanskrit and the modern Indian languages that are its descendants.Not sure whether it is derogatory though 'Indian' would be a better term. -- Vikram Vincent ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: If he didn't explain it, then you can presume that it's wrong. There's nothing to discuss, and there's nothing wrong with saying Indic languages. The word Indic refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. factually incorrect . Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmic_scripts Hence, bunching the entire system of Dravidian languages together with the Indo-Aryan languages in India may seem derogatory to some, and reasonably so. cant understand this part . Do you mean Aryan supremacy ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race ? Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
My email was not directed at anyone personally. It was simply a response to the observation Srikanth made and from what I glanced from Wikipedia articles.[1] In the context of linguistics, you will be hard-pressed to find reliable sources that refer to Indic languages as a generic term for all of Indian languages. The word 'Indic' itself is a derivative of the word Hindus or Indus referring to the Indus Valley Civilization, which did not stretch as far as Deccan India where the Dravidian family of languages have been prevalent. The distinction between the Indic languages and Dravidian languages is an important one, and they should not be confused to be one and the same. As a movement of individuals who are dedicated to the process of building the world's largest repositories of information, we should be mindful of lingual and cultural realities and sensitivities. This is not just about being politically correct, but also accuracy in the representation of _factual_ information. Again, this is simply my personal opinion and observation. :) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_languages Cheers, Anirudh On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2012/11/14 Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: If he didn't explain it, then you can presume that it's wrong. There's nothing to discuss, and there's nothing wrong with saying Indic languages. The word Indic refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. Not necessarily. According to Meriam-Webster, the adjective Indic may refer to Indo-Aryan and to all of India. Moreover, Indic scripts refers to all Brahmic scripts, and that is the most common term today. The English Wikipedia redirected [[Indic languages]] to [[Indo-Aryan languages]], but that was a mistake, and I just fixed it. Hence, bunching the entire system of Dravidian languages together with the Indo-Aryan languages in India may seem derogatory to some, and reasonably so. No, not derogatory. At worst, it's ambiguous. Making up bad connotations for normal words is not so constructive. -- Amir ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.comwrote: factually incorrect . Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmic_scripts The article you refer to lacks proper citations. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)
2012/11/14 Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com: The word 'Indic' itself is a derivative of the word Hindus or Indus referring to the Indus Valley Civilization, which did not stretch as far as Deccan India where the Dravidian family of languages have been prevalent. The distinction between the Indic languages and Dravidian languages is an important one, and they should not be confused to be one and the same. So are the words India and Indian. If this logic is true, then the English name of the Republic of India, and the name of this mailing list would be derogatory as well. Evidently, to most people they aren't. Nobody here is dismissing Dravidian languages. Everybody understands that they are distinct. It's just that the word Indic often refers to them, too. When the context and the meaning may be unclear, use Indo-Aryan and Dravidian. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
