Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Short-term assignment at CIS-A2K
Ravishankar I hope some civility would showcase the Indian Wikipedia Community in better light. I hope only civility would showcase the Indian Wikipedia Community in some way! I'm not showcasing the Indian community, neither i'm saying anything on behalf of it, nor i represent it. CIS-A2K is an independent organization / programme. We can at best place requests but definitely cannot order them around. If you have any question about their efficiency, please report it to the Grants making committee or wherever it is appropriate. I know what is it. I don't think i ordered anything to anybody!! First i said you should, then do it It's not the same. It's not something i want, it's their initiative, they started the discussion. They are not doing it in the proper way, three people including me suggested that. Still they didn't consider doing it on their own. Then i said what i had to say. Now you teach me civility!! Even if i was uncivil, i think they deserve it. If you really support A2K, support it when it needs. Not like this. And I could say the same to you: If you have any question about my concerns, please report it to wherever it is appropriate. As far as I have observed, CIS-A2K has been good at being transparent and informing the community. Your observation alone, or my observation alone not going to make any difference. I don't understand, why people try to change the topic unnecessarily!? Nobody needs to know whether or not i'm being civil. Please stick to the main issue. Cheers On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Hopeless! So adamant!! It should come from you directly, how long it ll take to visit 20 or so VPs and drop the same message? I know, you're not used to it, but you should. Do it yourself, get your men on-wiki. Cheer s, Ansuman ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Short-term assignment at CIS-A2K
Ansuman, I know veteran Wikipedian volunteers (and previous organizational efforts) who got got burnt out precisely because of this approach and attitude from some in the community. Asking for accountability and transparency is good but that should be done without burning bridges. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Short-term assignment at CIS-A2K
Dear Anshuman, I don't know you. But one thing I would like to share that people WILL teach about civility if you will behave in uncivil manner. I do find your words and tone uncivil. Whatever you want to say, you can always say it in better ways and believe me, it always increases chances of getting your point accepted. But using uncivil way of communication is such a bad thing that after a limit people will not listen to you at all. In short, kindly behave! Thanks. -- Abhijeet Safai On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Ansuman, I know veteran Wikipedian volunteers (and previous organizational efforts) who got got burnt out precisely because of this approach and attitude from some in the community. Asking for accountability and transparency is good but that should be done without burning bridges. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Konkani Vishwakosh Under CC-BY-SA
Congratulations to the team for their efforts and success. Regards Thanks *Niraj Suryawanshi* 8149920120 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunar...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/10/29 Nitika Tandon nit...@cis-india.org Dear All, Konkani Vishwakosh is now freely available to download on Goa University's website under Creative Commons License CC-BY-SA 3.0. [1] Congratulations to Goa University, CIS-A2K and all others whose efforts made this a reality. As far as I remember, this is the second such release after Malayalam encyclopaedia was released few years back. Converting to Unicode will require huge effort, but will really make this accessible. Best wishes Arjuna ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Kannada Wikipedia kiosk at BMRCL Metro Boulevard, M. G. Road, Bangalore on Nov.1, 2013
Great news Dr. Pavanaj. Wish I could visit the beautiful place and the kiosk. All the best. Regards Thanks *Niraj Suryawanshi* 8149920120 * * Twitter https://twitter.com/5uryawanshi | Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/niraj12 | Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Niraj_Suryawanshi | Photography https://www.facebook.com/pages/Njs-Photography/639863816044796 Wikipedia Club Pune http://www.facebook.com/WikipediaClubPune | TEDxPunehttp://www.facebook.com/TEDxPUNE On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Pavanaja U B pavan...@vishvakannada.comwrote: Namaste, ** ** There will be a Kannada Wikipedia kiosk at BMRCL Metro Boulevard, M. G. Road, Bangalore, during the special Karnataka Rajyotsava celebrations (celebrated every year on Nov 1 on account of anniversary of formation of Mysore/Karnataka State). It will be from morning 10:30am till 7:30 pm on Nov.1. Please do drop in. ** ** Thanks and regards, Pavanaja *U.B. Pavanaja*, MSc, PhD Programme Officer – Indian languageshttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pavanaja , Access to Knowledge program The Centre for Internet Society ** ** ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Short-term assignment at CIS-A2K
Dear Anshuman, Hey Abhijeet I don't know you. But one thing I would like to share that people WILL teach about civility if you will behave in uncivil manner. I do find your words and tone uncivil. You don't know me, but i just got to know a lot about you! What an analogy! When people argue, someone else always tries to finish it, and be a hero. And I do find your this particular message unnecessary and uncivil. Whatever you want to say, you can always say it in better ways and believe me, it always increases chances of getting your point accepted. It doesn't necessarily be that way. And believe me my encounter with A2K is other way around. And I'm not here to get my points accepted. Actually there is nothing to be accepted, just some facts. I guess i'm trying to show you, how A2K doesn't consider something when it should. I'm sorry, you feel bad about it. Please if you don't like it, you could stay out of it. All my messages are meant for A2K, and i think it'd best if we let A2K handle it. But using uncivil way of communication is such a bad thing that after a limit people will not listen to you at all. In short, kindly behave! And people here have their own beliefs and ethics, and they know what they're doing. They don't need your advice at all. In short, you just wasted yours and my time. Anyway thanks for your comment. Cheers, Ansuman On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Ansuman, I know veteran Wikipedian volunteers (and previous organizational efforts) who got got burnt out precisely because of this approach and attitude from some in the community. Asking for accountability and transparency is good but that should be done without burning bridges. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: A2K, its lies and irresponsibilities
Dear Ansuman, On 28 October 2013 16:46, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This is part of the replies of Vishnu four months ago. --- --- Me: And also tell the community, who are all involved in the interview process and selection process, and why? Vishnu: BEFORE EVEN PUBLISHING THE JOB ADVERTISEMENT WE HAD DECIDED TO PUBLISH A BLOG POST/WRITE-UP ON THE SELECTION PROCESS AND SHARE IT WITH THE WIKIMEDIA INDIA COMMUNITY AS PART OF OUR TRANSPARENCY MEASURE. ONCE THIS IS UP, WILL SHARE THE LINK. We have published a blog post on the Program Officer selection process on September 10, 2013.[1] This has also been shared with the Indian Wikimedia community as part of the September A2K Newsletter [2], which was posted on all the Indian Wikimedia lists. Best, Vishnu [1] http://cis-india.org/openness/blog/selection-of-programme-officer-pilot-projects-a2k [2] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-October/010575.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Kannada Wikipedia kiosk at BMRCL Metro Boulevard, M. G. Road, Bangalore on Nov.1, 2013
Great news, It ll be an excellent awareness programme. Can you please share the picture of the Kiosk. Yohann Thomas Wikipedia Club Pune yohan...@gmail.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Fwd: A2K, its lies and irresponsibilities
Good to see some movements at meta, it worked to an extent so far. This is all you got to cover up; newsletters, and list of events at meta. Except these, is there any page which is updated? Newsletters, we knew where to find, i was not asking for it, but i was asking why there is no updates at meta? In newsletters, you keep repeating few blog posts in the consecutive month, i noticed couple of times. I don't understand the need of it. Do you have answers to each concerns and questions i have raised? I'm not just talking about updates, which are one or two month due, also asking about Community Mid-year reports, Evaluation results, Quarterly community survey which have not been started since the inception of A2K. I see, recently one team member has been added. What about another team member? Isn't s/he in the team, and an employee? Please add the profiles and their work details. When i first raised those concerns via email, you didn't listen, delayed. Then I forced you to respond, then you said you'd consider, but you didn't. Then I raised some more concerns at meta, few you didn't accept, few to accept i had to show you facts and figures. All the points I've raised in this duration, there still few to many are pending in which to few you had said you'd get back or consider! Well I don't know how long it'd take you to do that? Then just again I have raised few more questions. Lets see how you and your team will work on that and able to respond to them. Is this how you have planned for the community to make you work? Then I think the community members should be getting twice the amount of yours!! :D I don't know your definition of Lie. But when people don't keep their words, i call it lie, and them liar. Thanks for your time. Cheers, Ansuman ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Fwd: A2K, its lies and irresponsibilities
Dear Ansuman, On 30 October 2013 00:45, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Good to see some movements at meta, it worked to an extent so far. This is all you got to cover up; newsletters, and list of events at meta. Except these, is there any page which is updated? Newsletters, we knew where to find, i was not asking for it, but i was asking why there is no updates at meta? In newsletters, you keep repeating few blog posts in the consecutive month, i noticed couple of times. I don't understand the need of it. Do you have answers to each concerns and questions i have raised? I'm not just talking about updates, which are one or two month due, also asking about Community Mid-year reports, Evaluation results, Quarterly community survey which have not been started since the inception of A2K. I see, recently one team member has been added. What about another team member? Isn't s/he in the team, and an employee? Please add the profiles and their work details. You have raised a set of concerns on the same mailing lists 2 days ago. I had informed you on these same mailing lists that I will get back to the list within the next 20 days with updates/answers for your concerns. I said so, and I repeat again, because most of these tasks are works-in-progress and some are delayed. After I share the updates, should you have more or unanswered queries/questions/feedback, it could certainly be brought to the attention of the list-members. Is this agreeable? When i first raised those concerns via email, you didn't listen, delayed. Then I forced you to respond, then you said you'd consider, but you didn't. Then I raised some more concerns at meta, few you didn't accept, few to accept i had to show you facts and figures. All the points I've raised in this duration, there still few to many are pending in which to few you had said you'd get back or consider! Well I don't know how long it'd take you to do that? Then just again I have raised few more questions. Lets see how you and your team will work on that and able to respond to them. Is this how you have planned for the community to make you work? Then I think the community members should be getting twice the amount of yours!! :D I don't know your definition of Lie. But when people don't keep their words, i call it lie, and them liar. Let these figments of imagination be, as they are. I would prefer to stay away from such needless rhetoric, as I and my team have wasted considerable human hours already in doing so. Let's stick to a critical analysis of CIS-A2K's work, which is productive. Your earlier mail (sent 2 days ago) was to the point and concise. As an initial response, I shared the links through which one can see the entire work, or lack of it, of CIS-A2K since the commencement of the Grant in September 2012. For the benefit of the list-members and you I have tried to summarize CIS-A2K's activities below for the period September 2012 - June 2013. Some key activities during the period of Sep 2012 to June 2013 are: - Number of newsletters published: 10 - Number of events conducted: 49 - Number of Wikipedia Education Programs conducted: 5 - Number of people reached: about 1314 - Number of women participants: approximately 406 (30.9%) - Number of community meet-ups IRCs: 12 - Number of sites across India where Wikimedia events were conducted: 18 - Number of valid usernames: 582 - Number of blogs posted: 58 - Number of Print and Electronic Media mentions: 28 - Number of Hackathons supported: 2 - Number of community celebration events: 7 - Number of Institutional partnerships: 13 Soon we will publish a detailed report for this period with more details on the activities, achievements, impact, challenges and learning of CIS-A2K. And of course we would be seeking detailed feedback from the community and continue to improve upon our successes and failures in growing the Wikimedia movement in India. Best, Vishnu PS. Dear Friends, there might be slight delay in my e-mail responses as I will be on a short break during November 1 to November 4. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Konkani Vishwakosh Under CC-BY-SA
Nitika Vishnu and the whole team Delighted to hear this. I am currently in NYC and will be back in India in early December. Will pass the word around to Konkani speaking friends out if India! My next goal is working in an offline wiki for school kids in Goa. Warm regards Harriet Harriet Vidyasagar 2033 Westchester Drive SIlver Spring MD 20902 USA Cell: 1-301-442-8991 Home:1-301-649-2240 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Nitika Tandon nit...@cis-india.org wrote: Dear All, Konkani Vishwakosh is now freely available to download on Goa University's website under Creative Commons License CC-BY-SA 3.0. [1] As many of you know CIS-A2K has been following up with the University for the past couple of months to re-relase the encyclopedia under CC. Upon CIS-A2K' explicit request, Goa University has approved the re-release to make it freely available to public and thus preserve Konkani language and culture in the digital era. This is a great achievement for the CIS-A2K Programme and we are extremely thankful to Dr. Satish Shetye (Vice-Chancellor, Goa University) for seeing the significance of growing open knowledge movement in Goa and Konkani. Thanks are due to the GU faculty, specifically Prof. Alito Sequeira; Prof. Madhavi Sardesai; Prof. Priyadarshini Tadkodkar; and Dr. Gopakumar. A special thanks goes to Wikipedians Harriet Vidyasagar, Frederick Nooronha and Seby Fernandes for their constant support. If anyone would like to receive a copy of the Vishwakosh please send us a mail off list and we'll courier a CD your way. Thanks Nitika Tandon [1] http://library.unigoa.ac.in/?q=node [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Konkani_Vishwakosh_CC ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Konkani Vishwakosh Under CC-BY-SA
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Harriet outofin...@gmail.com wrote: My next goal is working in an offline wiki for school kids in Goa. Making the content of wiki(pedia?) offline is something that I see a lot of efforts focusing upon. http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Main_Page / Kiwix is one simple tool that makes it possible. The Kiwix UI is translated into around 80 odd languages (and, more are on their way). -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Konkani Vishwakosh Under CC-BY-SA
AFAIK Harriet is more thinking of the modalities of off line delivery of Konkani Wikipedia (once live) through XO Tablets which has Sugar learning environment. Would the current Kiwix easily interact with Sugar? Any idea if the Kiwix UI is already available in Konkani? Best, Vishnu On 30 October 2013 10:28, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Harriet outofin...@gmail.com wrote: My next goal is working in an offline wiki for school kids in Goa. Making the content of wiki(pedia?) offline is something that I see a lot of efforts focusing upon. http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Main_Page / Kiwix is one simple tool that makes it possible. The Kiwix UI is translated into around 80 odd languages (and, more are on their way). -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Konkani Vishwakosh Under CC-BY-SA
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Vishnu T visdav...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK Harriet is more thinking of the modalities of off line delivery of Konkani Wikipedia (once live) through XO Tablets which has Sugar learning environment. Would the current Kiwix easily interact with Sugar? http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/13/offline-reader-available-for-sugar/ Any idea if the Kiwix UI is already available in Konkani? I don't know if it already is available. And, if it is not, making the necessary contributions should not be too difficult - Kiwix uses TranslateWiki.net as the platform for translation contributions ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
