Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-18 Thread Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer
Honourable Niraj sir,
the person who you are referring to as callow is the Treasurer of the Chapter.
You have called him Callow on a public list, do remember that.

Yes, it would be a privacy violation and I, among other people DO NOT WANT TO 
KNOW about your membership status.
So as Srikanth asked, please send your mail in to the email address specified.


 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:23:51 -0700
 From: niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com
 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia  
 India Chapter
 
 Hi Yohann,
 
 Same is the situation with me!
 I wanted to know the status of my application too!!
 Actually I got a mail saying that my old membership no. is missing so we are
 unable to process the form.
 Given the situation that I'm a new member and did applied for the fresh
 membership which was duly mentioned in the form.
 
 We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who is
 callow enough to say The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to ask
 such questions as it'd be a privacy violation.
 
 Besides, new question arises privacy violation of what? and how??
 and if we are considering privacy violation of the membership status or
 the process of the membership enrollment, its not some sort of a
 confidential thing! Ain't it??
  
 
 
 
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 Regards  Thanks, 
 
 Niraj N. Suryawanshi
 Pune Institute of Computer Technology | Wikipedia Club Pune
 +91 814 992 0120 | niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-18 Thread Niraj Suryawanshi
Hey,
I apologize to Srikanth, I didn mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I will
forward my queries to the concerned respective email ID  I hope to
get a reply soon.

apologies again.

On 3/15/13, Yohann Thomas yohan...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi,

 I wanted to know status of my application for
 membership to the india chapter.
 It has been over 4 weeks  i have not recieved
 any kind of intimation.
 I just wanted to know whether my application  the
 rest of the members of Wikipedia club Pune, have
 been accepted or not.


 Thanking you,

 Yohann Thomas
 Wikipedia Club Pune
  yohan...@gmail.com


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-18 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar
Hi Niraj,

I received membership forms along with the money (cash) through a
student in Symbiosis who got them from someone else and I believe
Abhishek  collected all the forms and money originally and passed it
to be given to me.

After I came back from Banglore, I carried 200 Rs. back for the 2
forms that had problems.
I tried to find the same student again to return the money but could
not locate him.

Finally, I had a chat with Abhishek some days back and I told him
about it. We were supposed to meet for the money handover but that
meeting has not yet happened.

As such, 200 Rs. for those 2 forms are with me and I can return it
directly to you, Yohann. Please co-ordinate with me *offlist* for the
same.

I hope this clarifies the money matters.

Regards
-Sudhanwa


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Niraj Suryawanshi
niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Bala Sir,

 A very good sunday morning,


 1)

 Can I get a reference regarding From your current mail I understand you
 have made a mistake while filling the form, which mail exactly to be
 precise?

 Or is it the case that the exec council inspects all the incoming
 applications and that is why Sir you are in a position to understand the
 mistake?

 Lets consider it sorted for a while and as stated by the mail I received

  Hello Mr. Suryawanshi,

 We have received your membership application found it to be incomplete
 with the following field(s) missing:

 1. Current membership no.

 We are therefore not in a position to accept this application and are
 unable to process it. This does not stop you from making a fresh fully
 completed application in the future.

 Thanking you,
 Wikimedia India Chapter 

 here I'm indicated to apply freshly for the same.

 Is there any way I can get a refund of the reg. fees which I had submitted
 with the form, in the given case where my form is denied?
 I would be more than glad if at all there is a way that I could get the
 same.

 please kindly revert me to the concerned email address.


 2)

 Sir I wished the applicants would receive a email about their application
 status, since Mr. Yohann didn't get one and that's the exact reason why he
 was compelled to ask a question.

 In my case as I did get an email, and it would have been a case showing
 extreme proficiency if the finances were considered regarding refund.





 Regards  Thanks,

 Niraj Suryawanshi
 Pune Institute of Computer Technology | Wikipedia Club Pune
 8149920120 | [hidden email]


 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Bala Jeyaraman [via Wikimedia] [hidden
 email] wrote:

 Niraj,

 1) Your application had the option renewal checked and the member id
 space left blank. That is the reason you received such a mail. And that mail
 also clearly stated that you could send in another application. From your
 current mail I understand you have made a mistake while filling the form. In
 such cases WM IN cannot correct forms filled by members. Please send a fresh
 application form.

 2) We don't publish membership information in a public forum. Members are
 free to self identify themselves, but we refrain from doing so unless they
 wish us to. Yohann sent a mail to this list and Srikanth pointed him to the
 correct avenue to address his query. This is not us being callow. This is us
 being professional.

 3) There are established channels of communication ([hidden email]) to
 where you can direct your membership related queries. That is where WM IN EC
 members or the Executive Manager can reply to you in an official capacity.
 We would have been more than happy to clarify your queries. Please direct
 any future queries there.

 regards
 Bala Jeyaraman
 Executive Council Member, Wikimedia India
 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Anirudh Bhati [hidden email] wrote:


 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Niraj Suryawanshi [hidden email]
 wrote:

 We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who
 is
 callow enough to say The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to
 ask
 such questions as it'd be a privacy violation.


 Niraj, no personal attacks, please.

 Anirudh

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-16 Thread Niraj Suryawanshi
Hi Yohann,

Same is the situation with me!
I wanted to know the status of my application too!!
Actually I got a mail saying that my old membership no. is missing so we are
unable to process the form.
Given the situation that I'm a new member and did applied for the fresh
membership which was duly mentioned in the form.

We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who is
callow enough to say The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to ask
such questions as it'd be a privacy violation.

Besides, new question arises privacy violation of what? and how??
and if we are considering privacy violation of the membership status or
the process of the membership enrollment, its not some sort of a
confidential thing! Ain't it??
 



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Regards  Thanks, 

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Pune Institute of Computer Technology | Wikipedia Club Pune
+91 814 992 0120 | niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-16 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Niraj Suryawanshi 
niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote:

 We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who is
 callow enough to say The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to ask
 such questions as it'd be a privacy violation.


Niraj, no personal attacks, please.

Anirudh
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-16 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
Niraj,

1) Your application had the option renewal checked and the member id
space left blank. That is the reason you received such a mail. And that
mail also clearly stated that you could send in another application. From
your current mail I understand you have made a mistake while filling the
form. In such cases WM IN cannot correct forms filled by members. Please
send a fresh application form.

2) We don't publish membership information in a public forum. Members are
free to self identify themselves, but we refrain from doing so unless they
wish us to. Yohann sent a mail to this list and Srikanth pointed him to the
correct avenue to address his query. This is not us being callow. This is
us being professional.

3) There are established channels of communication (memb...@wikimedia.in)
to where you can direct your membership related queries. That is where WM
IN EC members or the Executive Manager can reply to you in an official
capacity. We would have been more than happy to clarify your queries.
Please direct any future queries there.

regards
Bala Jeyaraman
Executive Council Member, Wikimedia India
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Niraj Suryawanshi 
 niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote:

 We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who is
 callow enough to say The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to ask
 such questions as it'd be a privacy violation.


 Niraj, no personal attacks, please.

 Anirudh

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-16 Thread Niraj Suryawanshi
Hello Bala Sir,

A very good sunday morning,


1)

Can I get a reference regarding From your current mail I understand you
have made a mistake while filling the form, which mail exactly to be
precise?

Or is it the case that the exec council inspects all the incoming
applications and that is why Sir you are in a position to understand the
mistake?

Lets consider it sorted for a while and as stated by the mail I received

 Hello Mr. Suryawanshi,

We have received your membership application found it to be incomplete
with the following field(s) missing:

1. Current membership no.

We are therefore not in a position to accept this application and are
unable to process it. *This does not stop you from making a fresh fully
completed application in the future.*

Thanking you,
Wikimedia India Chapter 

here I'm indicated to apply freshly for the same.

Is there any way I can get a refund of the reg. fees which I had submitted
with the form, in the given case where my form is denied?
 I would be more than glad if at all there is a way that I could get the
same.

please kindly revert me to the concerned email address.


2)

Sir I wished the applicants would receive a email about their application
status, since Mr. Yohann didn't get one and that's the exact reason why he
was compelled to ask a question.

In my case as I did get an email, and it would have been a case showing
extreme proficiency if the finances were considered regarding refund.





Regards  Thanks,

Niraj Suryawanshi http://www.facebook.com/niraj12
Pune Institute of Computer Technology | Wikipedia Club
Punehttps://www.facebook.com/WikipediaClubPune
8149920120 | niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Bala Jeyaraman [via Wikimedia] 
ml-node+s7n4999596...@n6.nabble.com wrote:

 Niraj,

 1) Your application had the option renewal checked and the member id
 space left blank. That is the reason you received such a mail. And that
 mail also clearly stated that you could send in another application. From
 your current mail I understand you have made a mistake while filling the
 form. In such cases WM IN cannot correct forms filled by members. Please
 send a fresh application form.

 2) We don't publish membership information in a public forum. Members are
 free to self identify themselves, but we refrain from doing so unless they
 wish us to. Yohann sent a mail to this list and Srikanth pointed him to the
 correct avenue to address his query. This is not us being callow. This is
 us being professional.

 3) There are established channels of communication ([hidden 
 email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4999596i=0)
 to where you can direct your membership related queries. That is where WM
 IN EC members or the Executive Manager can reply to you in an official
 capacity. We would have been more than happy to clarify your queries.
 Please direct any future queries there.

 regards
 Bala Jeyaraman
 Executive Council Member, Wikimedia India
 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Anirudh Bhati [hidden 
 email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4999596i=1
  wrote:


 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Niraj Suryawanshi [hidden 
 email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4999596i=2
  wrote:

 We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who
 is
 callow enough to say The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to ask
 such questions as it'd be a privacy violation.


 Niraj, no personal attacks, please.

 Anirudh

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-16 Thread Yohann Thomas
On the status of niraj's application, i dont agree with bala
Just because he ticked one wrong box does not mean
that his application should be rejected.

This is equivalent to red tapism  might discourage other
ethusiatic people to join the chapter.

I am not saying the decision is wrong but could be avoided.

Respectfully,

Yohann Thomas
Wikipedia Club Pune
 yohan...@gmail.com


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote:

 Niraj,

 1) Your application had the option renewal checked and the member id
 space left blank. That is the reason you received such a mail. And that
 mail also clearly stated that you could send in another application. From
 your current mail I understand you have made a mistake while filling the
 form. In such cases WM IN cannot correct forms filled by members. Please
 send a fresh application form.

 2) We don't publish membership information in a public forum. Members are
 free to self identify themselves, but we refrain from doing so unless they
 wish us to. Yohann sent a mail to this list and Srikanth pointed him to the
 correct avenue to address his query. This is not us being callow. This is
 us being professional.

 3) There are established channels of communication (memb...@wikimedia.in)
 to where you can direct your membership related queries. That is where WM
 IN EC members or the Executive Manager can reply to you in an official
 capacity. We would have been more than happy to clarify your queries.
 Please direct any future queries there.

 regards
 Bala Jeyaraman
 Executive Council Member, Wikimedia India
 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Niraj Suryawanshi 
 niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote:

 We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who
 is
 callow enough to say The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to ask
 such questions as it'd be a privacy violation.


 Niraj, no personal attacks, please.

 Anirudh

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-16 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
Niraj,

1)You sent a form with renewal option ticked and membership ID field
empty.  We were unable to process it and replied saying the membership form
is incomplete, and please resubmit a complete form with member ID. From
your current mail to the India list (your reply to yohann), I understood
your mistake was not leaving an incomplete member ID field but ticking
renewal instead of new.

2) No the EC does not process all the membership forms. The Executive
Manager at Bangalore usually does this work. But the EC does share the
workload whenever possible. In your case (and all the other forms the
Wikipedia Pune Club handed over to Sudhanwa), I was involved in processing
because I was at Bangalore at that time and was helping our manager with
the processing work. That is the reason I am able to respond to this mail
personally. If you had directed these queries in a reply to the mail from
memb...@wikimedia.in mail id, this would have been cleared up easily and
quickly.

3) As indicated in the official communication, you can submit a complete
and correct membership application again. Or if you want to take back your
application and want us to return your money, then mail to the members id
in detail and we will take care of it. This is the last time I will reply
to you on this issue in this list. This is a public community mailing list
and not the chapter's administrative channel. Please direct your queries
there.

regards
Bala Jeyaraman
Executive Council Member
Wikimedia India.



On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Niraj Suryawanshi 
niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Bala Sir,

 A very good sunday morning,


 1)

 Can I get a reference regarding From your current mail I understand you
 have made a mistake while filling the form, which mail exactly to be
 precise?

 Or is it the case that the exec council inspects all the incoming
 applications and that is why Sir you are in a position to understand the
 mistake?

 Lets consider it sorted for a while and as stated by the mail I received

  Hello Mr. Suryawanshi,

 We have received your membership application found it to be incomplete
 with the following field(s) missing:

 1. Current membership no.

 We are therefore not in a position to accept this application and are
 unable to process it. *This does not stop you from making a fresh fully
 completed application in the future.*

 Thanking you,
 Wikimedia India Chapter 

 here I'm indicated to apply freshly for the same.

 Is there any way I can get a refund of the reg. fees which I had submitted
 with the form, in the given case where my form is denied?
  I would be more than glad if at all there is a way that I could get the
 same.

 please kindly revert me to the concerned email address.


 2)

 Sir I wished the applicants would receive a email about their application
 status, since Mr. Yohann didn't get one and that's the exact reason why he
 was compelled to ask a question.

 In my case as I did get an email, and it would have been a case showing
 extreme proficiency if the finances were considered regarding refund.





 Regards  Thanks,

 Niraj Suryawanshi http://www.facebook.com/niraj12
 Pune Institute of Computer Technology | Wikipedia Club 
 Punehttps://www.facebook.com/WikipediaClubPune
 8149920120 | [hidden 
 email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4999620i=0


 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Bala Jeyaraman [via Wikimedia] [hidden
 email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4999620i=1 wrote:

 Niraj,

 1) Your application had the option renewal checked and the member id
 space left blank. That is the reason you received such a mail. And that
 mail also clearly stated that you could send in another application. From
 your current mail I understand you have made a mistake while filling the
 form. In such cases WM IN cannot correct forms filled by members. Please
 send a fresh application form.

 2) We don't publish membership information in a public forum. Members are
 free to self identify themselves, but we refrain from doing so unless they
 wish us to. Yohann sent a mail to this list and Srikanth pointed him to the
 correct avenue to address his query. This is not us being callow. This is
 us being professional.

 3) There are established channels of communication ([hidden 
 email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4999596i=0)
 to where you can direct your membership related queries. That is where WM
 IN EC members or the Executive Manager can reply to you in an official
 capacity. We would have been more than happy to clarify your queries.
 Please direct any future queries there.

 regards
 Bala Jeyaraman
 Executive Council Member, Wikimedia India
 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Anirudh Bhati [hidden 
 email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4999596i=1
  wrote:


 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Niraj Suryawanshi [hidden 
 email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4999596i=2
  wrote:

 We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-16 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
Hi Yohann,

Wikimedia India is not an informal organisation. We are a registered
society in Karnataka, India. We need to comply with all the formal
processes and regulatory bindings that entails. We need to make sure all
our documents including membership forms are properly processed and
compliant with all the regulatory requirements we have. This is not red
tape, this is being compliant with the law. Failing to do this will lead to
audit failures which inturn will have repercussions in our smooth
functioning. We cannot alter membership applications on our own - even it
is one single box. When we processed Niraj's application we promptly
replied to Niraj saying we cannot process it, clearly indicated what was
missing in it and asked him to resubmit a completed form.

regards
Bala


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Yohann Thomas yohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the status of niraj's application, i dont agree with bala
 Just because he ticked one wrong box does not mean
 that his application should be rejected.

 This is equivalent to red tapism  might discourage other
 ethusiatic people to join the chapter.

 I am not saying the decision is wrong but could be avoided.

 Respectfully,

 Yohann Thomas
 Wikipedia Club Pune
  yohan...@gmail.com


 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote:

 Niraj,

 1) Your application had the option renewal checked and the member id
 space left blank. That is the reason you received such a mail. And that
 mail also clearly stated that you could send in another application. From
 your current mail I understand you have made a mistake while filling the
 form. In such cases WM IN cannot correct forms filled by members. Please
 send a fresh application form.

 2) We don't publish membership information in a public forum. Members are
 free to self identify themselves, but we refrain from doing so unless they
 wish us to. Yohann sent a mail to this list and Srikanth pointed him to the
 correct avenue to address his query. This is not us being callow. This is
 us being professional.

 3) There are established channels of communication (memb...@wikimedia.in)
 to where you can direct your membership related queries. That is where WM
 IN EC members or the Executive Manager can reply to you in an official
 capacity. We would have been more than happy to clarify your queries.
 Please direct any future queries there.

 regards
 Bala Jeyaraman
 Executive Council Member, Wikimedia India
 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Niraj Suryawanshi 
 niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote:

 We would be glad if anyone can help us over this and not by someone who
 is
 callow enough to say The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to
 ask
 such questions as it'd be a privacy violation.


 Niraj, no personal attacks, please.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-15 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Hi Yohan, just to let you know, please email all Membership related queries
to members...@wikimedia.in
The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to ask such questions as it'd
be a privacy violation.

Cheers,



On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:37 AM, Yohann Thomas yohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 I wanted to know status of my application for
 membership to the india chapter.
 It has been over 4 weeks  i have not recieved
 any kind of intimation.
 I just wanted to know whether my application  the
 rest of the members of Wikipedia club Pune, have
 been accepted or not.


 Thanking you,

 Yohann Thomas
 Wikipedia Club Pune
  yohan...@gmail.com

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Status of membership applcation to Wikimedia India Chapter

2013-03-15 Thread Yohann Thomas
thanks for the information,
will send the same message to the
email id you have mentioned.


Respectfully,

Yohann Thomas
Wikipedia Club Pune
 yohan...@gmail.com


On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote:

 Hi Yohan, just to let you know, please email all Membership related
 queries to members...@wikimedia.in
 The India mailing list isn't exactly a place to ask such questions as it'd
 be a privacy violation.

 Cheers,



 On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:37 AM, Yohann Thomas yohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 I wanted to know status of my application for
 membership to the india chapter.
 It has been over 4 weeks  i have not recieved
 any kind of intimation.
 I just wanted to know whether my application  the
 rest of the members of Wikipedia club Pune, have
 been accepted or not.


 Thanking you,

 Yohann Thomas
 Wikipedia Club Pune
  yohan...@gmail.com

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