Re: [Wikimediauk-l] We are now accepting Direct Debits
We'll be focusing on making Direct Debits work effectively for donations in this autumn's fundraiser. It would be nice if we had DDs for membership as well, but since we have c. 30,000 donors and c. 200 members, membership direct debits takes second priority ;-) Chris On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: ** We have just switched from annual to monthly for our family RSPB membership payment. Instead of 25 quid we pay 3 x 12 = 36 quid: we can spread the payments and the RSPB gets an 11 quid bonus. RSPB was mentioned by Anonymouse at the last London Wikimeet (#49) as a good model of membership for a charity. http://www.rspb.org.uk/ * - Over a million members, including over 195,000 youth members. - A staff of over 1,300 people and over 13,000 volunteers. - Resources available for charitable purposes in 2007 was £78.6 million. * Ha! Small fry! Gordo On 16/09/2011 23:19, WereSpielChequers wrote: Monthly and quarterly are nice to haves, but presumably most members will want to do an annual payment for their annual renewal? WereSpielChequers On 16 September 2011 23:05, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: We're working on finding an easy way to give donors the choice of monthly or quarterly direct debits, but we haven't got it working quite yet. For now, if you want to donate by direct debit each month, then you can do so by visiting: http://directdebit.wikimedia.org.uk/index_monthly.html Hopefully we'll have a more integrated solution working in the near future. Thanks, Mike On 16 Sep 2011, at 22:59, Chris Keating wrote: This is fantastic! Well done! Thank you. We have taken a shortcut, which is to outsource the absolute maximum of the administration involved in Direct Debiting. Once we are on a firmer administrative footing we can bring it back in-house if needs be. Hmmm... I just tried to set up a direct debit and it seems the only option for the frequency is quarterly. I want to donate monthly. Why can't I? Obviously, the fees are greater for 3 donations of £2, say, than for one donation of £6, but I think you'll get a lot more takers if you offer monthly direct debits for the simple reason that people tend to be paid monthly. We are set up for monthly and quarterly direct debits. I'm not quite sure why that form insists on quarterly, I doubt it will continue to insist after we speak to the suppliers on Monday, as we have other test forms that are definitely accepting monthly DDs. You're right about the advantage of monthly DDs. during the fundraiser we'll test prompting different amounts/frequencies and different layouts of form to see which gives us the best long-term income. Chris ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing listwikimediauk-l@wikimedia.orghttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Gordon Jolygordon.joly@pobox.comhttp://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] We are now accepting Direct Debits
I'm familiar with the marketing reasons for encouraging people to give more frequently, enough people are willing to give more in total if they can spread payments to make this worthwhile. I just don't think it wise or efficient not to give people the option of an annual payment. Aside from cheapskates like myself who would baulk at a monthly commitment, transaction charges are bound to arise somewhere along the line. There is also the issue of lifetime value, I have my suspicions that the more frequently you remind people of a direct debit the more likely they are to review it. So It may be true that a monthly direct debit is only worth two years worth of that amount, but an annual one is in the longterm worth many times more. As for donors v members, do we have plans to offer membership to donors? WereSpielChequers (who still supports four organisations through annual direct debits started in the 1980s) On 17 September 2011 08:46, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: ** We have just switched from annual to monthly for our family RSPB membership payment. Instead of 25 quid we pay 3 x 12 = 36 quid: we can spread the payments and the RSPB gets an 11 quid bonus. RSPB was mentioned by Anonymouse at the last London Wikimeet (#49) as a good model of membership for a charity. http://www.rspb.org.uk/ * - Over a million members, including over 195,000 youth members. - A staff of over 1,300 people and over 13,000 volunteers. - Resources available for charitable purposes in 2007 was £78.6 million. * Ha! Small fry! Gordo On 16/09/2011 23:19, WereSpielChequers wrote: Monthly and quarterly are nice to haves, but presumably most members will want to do an annual payment for their annual renewal? WereSpielChequers On 16 September 2011 23:05, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: We're working on finding an easy way to give donors the choice of monthly or quarterly direct debits, but we haven't got it working quite yet. For now, if you want to donate by direct debit each month, then you can do so by visiting: http://directdebit.wikimedia.org.uk/index_monthly.html Hopefully we'll have a more integrated solution working in the near future. Thanks, Mike On 16 Sep 2011, at 22:59, Chris Keating wrote: This is fantastic! Well done! Thank you. We have taken a shortcut, which is to outsource the absolute maximum of the administration involved in Direct Debiting. Once we are on a firmer administrative footing we can bring it back in-house if needs be. Hmmm... I just tried to set up a direct debit and it seems the only option for the frequency is quarterly. I want to donate monthly. Why can't I? Obviously, the fees are greater for 3 donations of £2, say, than for one donation of £6, but I think you'll get a lot more takers if you offer monthly direct debits for the simple reason that people tend to be paid monthly. We are set up for monthly and quarterly direct debits. I'm not quite sure why that form insists on quarterly, I doubt it will continue to insist after we speak to the suppliers on Monday, as we have other test forms that are definitely accepting monthly DDs. You're right about the advantage of monthly DDs. during the fundraiser we'll test prompting different amounts/frequencies and different layouts of form to see which gives us the best long-term income. Chris ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing listwikimediauk-l@wikimedia.orghttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Gordon Jolygordon.joly@pobox.comhttp://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Info: Edinburgh wikimeet on Saturday 1st October
Done; please feel free to tweak. On 17 September 2011 08:43, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone would like to add an alternative notice to the proposed wikimeet geonotice it would be appreciated. My initial version seems a bit flat. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GEONOTICE#Edinburgh_Wikimeet It would be a good idea for the notice to go live later today. Cheers, Fae -- http://enwp.org/user_talk:fae Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/faetags ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] We are now accepting Direct Debits
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 11:47 +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm familiar with the marketing reasons for encouraging people to give more frequently, enough people are willing to give more in total if they can spread payments to make this worthwhile. I just don't think it wise or efficient not to give people the option of an annual payment. Aside from cheapskates like myself who would baulk at a monthly commitment, transaction charges are bound to arise somewhere along the line. There is also the issue of lifetime value, I have my suspicions that the more frequently you remind people of a direct debit the more likely they are to review it. So It may be true that a monthly direct debit is only worth two years worth of that amount, but an annual one is in the longterm worth many times more. Banks tend to discard unused instructions at around the six-month mark. For monthly contributions, if the amount is fixed you don't need to send constant notices; the direct debit rules only require notification ten working days in advance where the amount may vary. Obviously, you at least send quarterly thank-yous with information on what donors' money has helped achieve. On 17 September 2011 08:46, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: We have just switched from annual to monthly for our family RSPB membership payment. Instead of 25 quid we pay 3 x 12 = 36 quid: we can spread the payments and the RSPB gets an 11 quid bonus. RSPB was mentioned by Anonymouse at the last London Wikimeet (#49) as a good model of membership for a charity. http://www.rspb.org.uk/ * * Over a million members, including over 195,000 youth members. * A staff of over 1,300 people and over 13,000 volunteers. * Resources available for charitable purposes in 2007 was £78.6 million. * Ha! Small fry! Gordo On 16/09/2011 23:19, WereSpielChequers wrote: Monthly and quarterly are nice to haves, but presumably most members will want to do an annual payment for their annual renewal? WereSpielChequers On 16 September 2011 23:05, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We're working on finding an easy way to give donors the choice of monthly or quarterly direct debits, but we haven't got it working quite yet. For now, if you want to donate by direct debit each month, then you can do so by visiting: http://directdebit.wikimedia.org.uk/index_monthly.html Hopefully we'll have a more integrated solution working in the near future. Thanks, Mike On 16 Sep 2011, at 22:59, Chris Keating wrote: This is fantastic! Well done! Thank you. We have taken a shortcut, which is to outsource the absolute maximum of the administration involved in Direct Debiting. Once we are on a firmer administrative footing we can bring it back in-house if needs be. Hmmm... I just tried to set up a direct debit and it seems the only option for the frequency is quarterly. I want to donate monthly. Why can't I? Obviously, the fees are greater for 3 donations of £2, say, than for one donation of £6, but I think you'll get a lot more takers if you offer monthly direct debits for the simple reason that people tend to be paid monthly. We are set up for monthly and quarterly direct debits. I'm not quite sure why that form insists on quarterly, I doubt it will continue to insist after we speak to the suppliers on Monday, as we have other test forms that are definitely accepting monthly DDs. You're right about the advantage of monthly DDs. during the fundraiser we'll test prompting different amounts/frequencies and different layouts of form to see which gives us the best long-term income. Chris
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [cultural-partners] Info: Edinburgh wikimeet on Saturday 1st October
inline From: fae...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:29:16 +0100 To: cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch CC: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [cultural-partners] Info: Edinburgh wikimeet on Saturday 1st October This is great news. Any way we can help remotely? Kind Regards, Pranav In a month or so when the jobspec is public you may want to ensure it is widely blogged (esp. on Scottish related culture forums) as there may be many people with relevant Scottish cultural awareness that may not live in the UK currently that might be interested in applying for the 6 month post. Brian has some ideas for an event on 30/9 or 1/10 and I am hoping for e-volunteering opportunities to help, but we are still negotiating at the moment. In the meantime, we could do with some comments or advice on our teeshirt design. These will be used at our Wikimeet and we will probably arrange a print run next week, so there is time for an alternative design to be considered if anyone wants to have a crack at it. See Brian's current proposed version at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_in_Scotland-4.5%22.png The design is great - any chance of having the rampant lion in the background to give a more Scottish feel? Cheers, Fae -- http://enwp.org/user_talk:fae Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/faetags ___ cultural-partners mailing list cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch http://lists.wikimedia.ch/listinfo/cultural-partners ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
