Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet #100

[HJ Mitchell]

Cakes require form 57B to be signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, 
lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in 
soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters, then quarterly reports 
on the effectiveness on the cake. ;) Harry Mitchellhttp://enwp.org/User:HJ
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  From: Gordon Joly 
 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2016, 14:38
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet #100
   
On 02/01/16 20:42, leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:
> However it would be particularly useful to know whether Wikimedia UK
> intends to support the London meet up Sunday event in anyway - for
> instance through supplying a suitably embellished cake!

Yes, there should be caek!

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/101

I think there should be a Caek Coordinating Committee. This will be a
sub committee of one of the existing committees.

Too many cooks?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Does anybody have a copy of Pevsner's London Volume 2?

[HJ Mitchell]

Thank you to Michael Maggs, who sent me the information I needed.
John, it would seem that the pagination doesn't vary dramatically, but I 
included the publication year and ISBN just in case.
Jonathan, close, but something slightly different: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Sheen_Cemetery
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  From: WereSpielChequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com>
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Volume 2?
   
A Lutyens I would guess.

Regards
Jonathan Cardy

On 2 Jan 2016, at 17:42, - - <j...@bodkinprints.co.uk> wrote:


 
I'd imagine the many different editions of that book have different 
paginations. You'd better check between you what building you are after. 

Johnbod

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[Wikimediauk-l] Does anybody have a copy of Pevsner's London Volume 2?

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi all, and a very happy new year.
I'm trying to get hold of a book to help with a Wikipedia article. The book is 
Pevsner's Buildings of England, London volume 2: South (ISBN 9780300096514, 
1983). Although there are other parts that might be useful, I'm only really 
interested in page 471. Annoyingly, the page is omitted from the Google Books 
preview, though the page either side are included. I've also checked my local 
library and the nearest copy is a long journey away an not available for 
inter-library loan.
Does anyone on this list own a copy or have a copy in a local library? A 
photograph or photocopy of p471 would suffice!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet #100

[HJ Mitchell]

You're not the only one, Gordo - I don't follow WMUK's wiki closely any more 
and it was only mentioned as a "by the way" at the very bottom of the 
newsletter (a newsletter some people have mentioned not receiving). It would be 
nice to see the chapter make more use of this list to engage with the 
community. Harry Mitchellhttp://enwp.org/User:HJ
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  From: Gordon Joly 
 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015, 13:09
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet #100
   
On 21/12/15 12:11, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
> Sorry you didn't hear about the training Gordo - we did promote it via
> social media and our newsletter, and all the places for this pilot
> course are now full. We'd be happy to register interest now for any
> future sessions though - if you want to email Karla
> on karla.ma...@wikimedia.org.uk .
> We can also add you to the waiting list for one or both days in case
> there are drop outs before 8th/9th January. 


Thanks. I tend to rely on this email list, and I must admit I don't
always read the newsletter in full. my bad as they say.

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

[HJ Mitchell]

I thought a town had to have a market charter? Or did that rule go the same way 
as cities and cathedrals?
Braunton in Devon, for example, claims to be the largest village in England 
(though there are several disputing claims), and I was under the impression 
that its claim rested on it never having been granted a market charter. Harry 
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  From: Lester Caine 
 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
 Sent: Monday, 14 September 2015, 9:02
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Village, Hamlet and populations ...
   
On 14/09/15 08:09, Rod Ward wrote:
> I don't think defining hamlet v village by size of population is useful. 
> Hamlet (place) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(place)#United_Kingdom ) 
> under UK explores the difference the difference between civil parish and 
> ecclesiastical parish and uses the traditional "settlement without a church".
It's the OSM definitions which need re-jigging here
That is actually more my target although it is perhaps useful that the
ONS data does not list any places which we would probably refer to as
hamlets. The problem of cause with OSM is it's trying to apply one rule
world wide, when country related rules would be more practical.

> Another complication is the division between village and town (complicated by 
> legislation allowing parish councils to adopt the term town council). An 
> example local to me is the ongoing debate (slow edit war) between Cheddar, 
> Somerset a village with a population of 5,755 and Axbridge a town with a 
> population of 2,057.
Actually the Facebook approach of everything is a city does avoid that,
but yes while city is a legal entity, town is a little woolly. My own
local one is Broadway which plans to remain a 'Cotswold village' despite
the large number of housing developments which would distort that.

My real target here is some consistency between OSM and wikipedia - well
actually wikidata - so we can have the graphic material in one, and the
abstract data such as population over time in the other. We have a
substantial volume of data available now, and pulling it together so we
only manually edit what actually needs editing make sense to me.



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[HJ Mitchell]

I quite like the Cambridge format of meeting in a cafe and later decamping to a 
pub (especially since the pub is between the cafe and the railway station!).
Bear in mind, though, that meetups aren't necessarily just about meeting random 
Wikipedians - many regulars turn up month after month because they enjoy 
socialising with the other regulars (as well as new people). We want to attract 
new people without alienating the existing regulars. Harry 
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  From: leu...@fabiant.eu leu...@fabiant.eu
 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2015, 18:32
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey
   
  Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on 
meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has 
been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and 
start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.       all the best       
Fabian (User:Leutha)       


 On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: 
 
 
 After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in 
 the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the 
 survey supports that viewpoint. 
 
 People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just 
 religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly 
 supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions 
 made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't 
 want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I 
 have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a 
 little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch 
 men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or 
 in a quiet pub. 
 
 Call closing time on this tradition, we know better. 
 
 Fae 
 
 On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: 
  
  Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;) 
  
  Joe 
  
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  Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to 
  join us. 
  
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Redundancies at WMUK

[HJ Mitchell]

Of course the consultation should be done privately. Imagine finding out that 
you've lost your job through a post on a public mailing list. As a mater of 
basic human decency, the staff should be informed of the decision and supported 
through what will be a turbulent time for them. That their jobs are now surplus 
to requirements because of bad management and the board's negligence is no 
fault of their own.
The issue, though, is that it sounds like the consultation is over and the 
result has been decided and now the staff who have been made redundant are in 
the awkward position of having to explain that they've left/are leaving before 
any announcement has been made. Harry Mitchellhttp://enwp.org/User:HJ
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  From: Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk
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 Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2015, 17:26
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Redundancies at WMUK
   
Fae: I am aware that the legal requirement for a consultation period is limited 
in scope, however that does not mean that good organisations do not conduct 
them where they are not legally required.



On 7 May 2015 at 16:35, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

On 7 May 2015 at 16:22, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:

 The need for a consultation period (with staff) mean that nothing can be
 pre-announced.  If it were, then the consultation would be meaningless, on
 its face.

Indeed; but it would seem that the announcement would be post-, not pre-.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List participation

[HJ Mitchell]

At a basic level, yes, but salaried staff have responsibilities beyond what 
volunteers have, as do the trustees - who take on a legal duty to ensure the 
proper running of the charity, and who are asleep at the wheel in my opinion.  
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  From: Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
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 Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2015, 10:38
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List participation
   
On 06/03/15 11:08, HJ Mitchell wrote:
 
 Never mind, though. As long as the board keep their heads in the sand
 it'll all be all right.  


Steady on old man. We are all volunteers here!

Gordo

P.S. Aren't WMF funds unrestricted?




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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List participation

[HJ Mitchell]

It would be something to welcome if that activity had moved elsewhere, but as 
far as I can tell activity on the wiki is in decline as well. 
Not to worry, though - as long as we're meeting our meaningless KPIs I'm sure 
the FDC won't notice. Oh wait... Well, it's a good job we had that get-together 
last weekend so that the board could (pretend to) listen to the community's 
thoughts. Oh, wait... Well it's a good job WMUK has independent revenue 
streams. Oh, wait... Well, it's a good job we've still got those 200-odd 
volunteers from last year's Wikimania, they should help us tick some boxes for 
our KPIs. Oh wait... 
Never mind, though. As long as the board keep their heads in the sand it'll all 
be all right.   Harry Mitchellhttp://enwp.org/User:HJ
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  From: Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
 Sent: Friday, 6 March 2015, 10:09
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List participation
   
On 06/03/15 10:01, Gordon Joly wrote:
 On 27/02/15 12:23, Tom Morris wrote:
 Less mailing list activity should be something we welcome rather than
 worry about.
 
 
 I am old school. I started nattering on the net in 1980, so old habits
 die hard (Usenet, Spuddy, WSMR, etc).
 
 Gordo
 
 



The wiki works better than email for content (examples, issues,
brainstorms etc.) for numerous reasons.


Brainstorms?

I rest my case.



Gordo




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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Postponement of Volunteer Strategy Gathering

[HJ Mitchell]

Given the current failure to get the message (the one that led to the budget 
reduction), they'll probably hire some more staff to help manage the budget 
reduction.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the chapter are dodging the issue, but 
I thought after he last gathering we were making some progress.    Harry 
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  From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
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 Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2015, 21:03
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Postponement of Volunteer Strategy Gathering
   
I look forward to a meeting of minds when the charity feels up to it. The 
default volunteer strategy is to divert round the office while it is getting 
its act together, anyway (or find something more constructive to do with one's 
time).
Charles
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] new book on Wikipedia

[HJ Mitchell]

Competing with Wikipedia (replying to Fabian; sorry for breaking the threading) 
always struck me as being a bit like arguing with yourself. Wikipedia is far 
from flawless (as a concept, as a project, or as an encyclopaedia), but the 
whole point of it is to collect and distribute information for free. What's to 
compete *with*?

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  From: Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
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 Sent: Friday, 2 January 2015, 18:35
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] new book on Wikipedia
   
On 02/01/15 16:04, Simon Knight wrote:
 Might be of interest.
 
  
 


Indeedy!

:-)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WLM awards ceremony and community Xmas party 2014

[HJ Mitchell]

Perhaps in future years we could request that participants upload the original 
(give or take a little cropping/rotation/other things that wouldn't be seen as 
affecting the 'authenticity' of the photo) as well as the HDR'd version?   
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  From: Ed Hand edwar...@gmail.com
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 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WLM awards ceremony and community Xmas party 2014
   
Dear Gordo and list
Thanks - I didn't know about HDR:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-dynamic-range_imaging

This phenomenon was troubling me too, and now I have a name for it.

Personally, all I do before uploading images to Commons is the occassional 
rotation, crop or slight sharpen.  However, I've been uploading too many images 
to have time for much else.

As for WLM, I don't recall any mention in the judging criteria of the 
desirability (or otherwise) of various post-processing techniques.  If I was 
looking to select an image for a Wikipedia article, I would be reluctant to 
choose a heavily-stylized image.  Of course, WLM and Commons are not looking to 
merely provide an image bank for Wikipedia.

Perhaps the judges could consider providing some guidance about HDR and other 
post-processing techniques for next year's WLM ?

best wishes
Edward Hands (Edwardx)

On 12 December 2014 at 12:57, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 during the creation of a calendar of the most impressive photos from
 Wiki Loves Monuments UK 2014 (and several other countries) I learned
 about re-use:

 * Wiki Loves Monuments is not a registered trademark - the publisher
 was very afraid of violating a trademark
 * photos without description nearly useless (Church is not an adequate
 description)
 * low resolution is a common problem
 * in the publishing industry nobody knows about Creative Commons
 licenses (Is CC-BY-SA-3.0 the artist's name?)
 * landscape mode beats upright mode


Can I say how much I dislike the very obvious of HDR in many images? My
personal choice is always for minimal or zero post processing.



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Examples of First World War related projects?

[HJ Mitchell]

Forwarding on behalf of Fae.  Harry Mitchellhttp://enwp.org/User:HJ
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On 13 November 2014 16:23, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
...
 A fair bit of the Bundesarchiv was WW1. Thats why our articles on British
 WW1 tanks tend to feature ones that have been captured by German forces.
...
 geni

The World War I category on Commons is quite high in the category hierarchy, 
though as Commons is the key project where licences are relevant it is worth 
looking at where those images came from. Here are the totals by image uploader 
(top 10 only) from Grandchild to G-G-Grandchild images:


+-+---+
| img_user_text                   | count |
+-+---+
| Fæ                              |  9488 |
| Swiss Federal Archives          |  7374 |
| Rcbutcher                       |  2799 |
| LibraryBot                      |  2673 |
| US National Archives bot        |  2514 |
| Keith-264                       |  2135 |
| BArchBot                        |  1942 |
| File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske) |  1834 |
| Labattblueboy                   |   906 |
| Bwmoll3                         |   895 |
+-+---+
+-+---+
| img_user_text                   | count |
+-+---+
| Fæ                              | 18652 |
| Swiss Federal Archives          | 13880 |
| Rcbutcher                       |  8629 |
| US National Archives bot        |  6594 |
| File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske) |  6320 |
| Keith-264                       |  5490 |
| BArchBot                        |  5021 |
| LibraryBot                      |  4181 |
| Garitan                         |  2858 |
| Silar                           |  2832 |
+-+---+
+-+---+
| img_user_text                   | count |
+-+---+
| Fæ                              | 26059 |
| Rcbutcher                       | 19084 |
| US National Archives bot        | 15674 |
| Swiss Federal Archives          | 15428 |
| File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske) | 13453 |
| BArchBot                        | 13065 |
| Keith-264                       |  8588 |
| Silar                           |  7882 |
| Garitan                         |  5841 |
| Takabeg                         |  5534 |
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Magna Carta

[HJ Mitchell]

If we're pitching this at the entry level, then it might be better to have a 
list of stubs or neglected articles that need some love, rather than an attempt 
to crowdsource a featured article (especially from a lengthy existing article). 
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  From: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2014, 11:27
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Magna Carta
   
That's a sensible point Andrew, thank you. How about we draw up a list of 50 
articles we think are important and that need improving? We could use examples 
like Magna Carta as a hook to the story. We could even make this an annual 
thing. The Wikimedia Hitlist for 201x?
Any thoughts?
Stevie
On 6 November 2014 08:40, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

I'm not so sure. The article is 7000 words long, with densely-written and 
relatively technical content, and needs a comprehensive overhaul - it's the 
sort of thing that rewards work by one or two people with a good overview and a 
few days reading, rather than fifty people with small contributions. Inviting 
people to contribute to something with very little entry-level potential 
seems likely to just end in frustration for all concerned.Trying a call to 
action seems a good idea, but probably better for something else...A.On 5 
November 2014 13:58, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 I really like Ed's point that this is a good PR opportunity. If anyone is
 interested in putting together some details and a potential media pitch that
 would be excellent!

 Thank you,

 Stevie

 On 5 November 2014 12:11, Jonathan Cardy jonathan.ca...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

 Dear Rod,

 We did indeed have a resident at the British Library, and some ongoing
 discussions and events with them, including an event last Friday. At the
 moment we are focussed on some large image releases and a major tagging
 exercise to identify old maps which will then be loaded on Commons.

 But it would be worth thinking of further projects, though at least for
 this month I'd like to focus what we are doing with BL on certain mass
 uploads.

 Do people think that Magna Carta would be a good subject for a Wiki
 wednesday session - bringing few editors together on a Wednesday evening in
 our office in London?

 Regards


 Jonathan Cardy
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 On 5 November 2014 11:04, Rod Ward rodw...@plus.net wrote:

 Hi all,



 An article in this weeks observer (see
 http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-anniversary
 ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of the
 Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be various TV
 and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant date.
 I note this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta ) regularly
 gets 150,000+ page views per month and this is likely to increase. It was
 listed as a Good Article back in the early days but was delisted in 2006 and
 has gone downhill since then. It is also listed on the Vital Articles for
 Society and Social Sciences. A few of us are trying to get it to at least GA
 or even FA standard before the anniversary – any help would be appreciated.



 The specific reason for this email is that I think WikimediaUK had some
 sort of relationship (possibly a wikimedian in residence or similar) with
 the British Library years ago. For that or other sources does anyone have a
 contact within the appropriate department (possibly manuscripts curator or
 similar) of the BL who would be willing to help advise on the development of
 this important article?



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Magna Carta

[HJ Mitchell]

Thanks Fae. Those could be really useful. I'll have a look in the morning.
(Btw can we take Fae of moderation now please; I think the point has been 
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  From: Fæ fae...@gmail.com
 To: Harry Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com 
 Sent: Friday, 7 November 2014, 1:00
 Subject: Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Magna Carta
   
I have uploaded a few presentations and talks on video which would
cheer up Magna Carta articles, some are quite 'non-academic friendly'
for readers who might be daunted by a long encyclopaedia article
(videos play back without having to leave a Wikipedia article). They
are currently in
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magna_Carta but will
probably be moved to a sub-category in a while. The lectures might be
helpful for those thinking of improving articles and are looking for a
quick guide to issues and interpretations.

Of particular interest are a video from the British Library
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Four_surviving_Magna_Carta_to_be_brought_together_for_the_first_time_in_history.webm
and a friendly one from Parliament
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Magna_Carta_and_the_Emergence_of_Parliament.webm.

These are uploaded thanks to a YouTube download/upload script I put
together for a WikiprojectMed request. If there are others on YouTube
you find with a CC-BY licence, drop me a link by email and I'll get
around to taking a look. Unfortunately handling video remains a
challenge for contributors, so I think my uploads are the first videos
on Commons for this topic.

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[Wikimediauk-l] Update: Tours of the Barbican on Wednesday and Thursday

[HJ Mitchell]

Just by way of an update:



We'll be doing tours at 11, 2, and 5 on Wednesday (with me) and Thursday (with 
Chris McKenna). We might be able to arrange tours at other times if there's 
demand.

Please sign up on the wiki or ping me offlist if you'd like to come, just so we 
have an idea of demand. 

This is a good opportunity to familiarise yourself with the conference venue 
(which is a bit of a rabbit warren!) while it's still relatively quiet.

Best, 
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Bring your old broken laptops to Wikimania!

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi all,

One of our volunteers asked me to put out a call for broken laptops. If you 
have a broken laptop and you want somebody to help you fix it or you just want 
to see it recycled, please bring it along to Wikimania!

I imagine lots of us will have broken laptops knocking around, and this could 
be a great opportunity to bring them back to life or to recycle them properly.

So we have an idea of demand, please email me off-list if you're interested.

Thanks,   
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK are looking for a Fundraising Assistant

[HJ Mitchell]

Mike, on your point 4, I don't think you'll realistically find volunteers who 
want to do this sort of back-end work (and there are probably good reasons - eg 
data protection - for it to be done by staff). 

I don't feel strongly enough to comment on nay of your other points, especially 
not at this time of night, but I'm certainly not going to oppose more volunteer 
support!
 
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 From: Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2014, 0:07
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK are looking for a Fundraising 
Assistant
 

Hi Richard/WMUK staff,

I'm rather puzzled by this. Given that:

1) WMUK cannot raise funds through the Wikimedia annual fundraising campaign 
any more, which means that the number of donors through that method will not be 
increasing, and that the apparent alignment of this position with the 
fundraising period (the position wraps up at the end of Jan 2015) is rather 
misleading (unless WMUK is planning to compete against the annual fundraiser);
2) WMUK already has a staff member who is focused on fundraising, and many 
other staff members who can help with the administration work;
3) This position wasn't included in WMUK's FDC application last year, with the 
implication that funding for this position is not guaranteed in the long run, 
despite the comment that the position may be renewable based on evaluation of 
its effect;
4) Volunteers are being excluded from assisting with this work;
5) WMUK has so far done nothing to seek funding outside of individual donors to 
the Wikimedia movement via the Wikimedia websites, and has not shared any plans 
to do anything along these lines any time soon,

how is this staff position being justified? Wouldn't it be better to invest in 
volunteer support work instead, given the current funding situation?

Thanks,
Mike

On 18 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk 
wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Wikimedia UK are now accepting applications for a Fundraising Assistant to 
 support the delivery of the charity's fundraising programme, in particular 
 working with our donors and undertaking the essential administrative tasks 
 involved with donor stewardship.
 
 If you are interested in applying, more details can be found here. The 
 deadline for applications is 5pm BST on Friday 1st August 2014. 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update

[HJ Mitchell]

Andy,

I get the point that you're making, but the review is of the projects run 
through the office. I agree that other projects should be considered, as useful 
background if nothing else, but quibbling over details of the past isn't going 
to help the discussion move forward for the benefit of the *future* of these 
projects.
 
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On Tuesday, 1 July 2014, 18:38, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 


On 1 July 2014 17:07, Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 I have been focusing on a specific group of residencies, however, it would
 indeed be useful to mention the project in the background information, which
 I now have done.

Thank you. The page now reads:

We have been involved with projects at the British Museum, and the
ARKive. There is a set of residencies which have reported to, and had
agreements signed with, Wikimedia UK - we will focus on this group in
the report.

However, the residency at ARKive (not at the ARKive) also reported
to, and had an agreement signed with, WikimediaUK.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

[HJ Mitchell]

I, as yet, have no opinion on whether a website 'overlay' is a god idea or not; 
I've been away for a week or so and I've just read through this thread. I would 
caution against reinventing the wheel, though - accessibility has been a known 
issue on Wikipedia for many years, and some considerable effort has gone into 
making things more accessible. 

Wikis aren't accessible is one of those things people say, but nobody has yet 
provided anything concrete to explain that position. I'm the first to admit 
that the wiki format can't do everything, and that (contrary to the opinions of 
some of the format's more passionate advocates) it has its drawbacks, but 
nobody in his thread has explained what those drawbacks are in terms of 
accessibility. I've been using wikis for years, so I readily admit that I can't 
remember what it feels like for a first-time user. I'd really like to know if 
this is just one of those things that people say (in which case we can try to 
dispel an urban myth) or whether there is something about wikis tat makes them 
inherently inaccessible for readers.

As an aside, the rationale of the proposed 'overlay' is being couched in terms 
of accessibility, but the changes seem to be focused more on aesthetics, so I'm 
curious what the problem is that this 'overlay' would solve, and how it would 
solve it. I don't think it's a terrible idea by any stretch, but I'd like to 
see some informed discussion about what we're trying to fix and the best way to 
do that.

Thanks,   
 
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On Thursday, 12 June 2014, 11:17, Stevie Benton 
stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 


Some examples were discussed on the Wikimedia UK wiki a while back here - 
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Talk:Accessibility_of_the_Wikimedia_websites

One of our trustees, Carol Campbell, put together a really good paper on this, 
including some advice from the RNIB which we were given permission to use. I 
seem to remember that rather than focusing on the issue of accessibility, there 
was more discussion about whether we could use those elements of Carol's paper. 
It wasn't very productive, to say the least.



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On 10 June 2014 18:28, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Our wiki, like pretty much any Media Wiki installation I can think of, is
 not very accessible

How so?

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[Wikimediauk-l] Fw: Fwd: Joseph's interview on Radio 4

[HJ Mitchell]

Forwarding on behalf of Fae. Perhaps the list admins could consider allowing 
emails like this through.
 
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On Saturday, 26 April 2014, 20:57, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:


-- Forwarded message --
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Date: 26 April 2014 12:17
Subject: Joseph's interview on Radio 4
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org


You can hear Joseph's interview on Friday's PM news programme at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0418x6d, skip to 33 minutes in to
the programme. It is 4 minutes long.

This was after a request from the BBC for someone to talk to about
long running disputes on the English Wikipedia.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: Fwd: Joseph's interview on Radio 4

[HJ Mitchell]

David, perhaps (unless the list gets large volumes of spam? In which case it 
would be impractical) you could set it to email the list admins when an email 
is received, rather than just once a day when there are pending emails.

Or you and Fae could come to an agreement whereby Fae's could be taken of 
moderation? 

I'll just note that I had not received Fae's email via wikimediauk-l when I 
checked my emails this morning, which is why I forwarded it for him, and this 
is precisely the sort of nonsense that puts people off contributing - we can't 
even just congratulate Joe on being interviewed by Radio 4 without a row about 
list moderation. 
 
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On Sunday, 27 April 2014, 13:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
On 27 April 2014 12:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 The time and date Sat Apr 26 11:17:59 UTC 2014 was when I sent the
 email, not when it was posted to the list. Could you publish the time
 it was published to the list?


The mod queue emails the mods every morning at 8am UTC; it's attended
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[HJ Mitchell]

Fae,

I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, which is 
that you could have written something to the effect of Jon, would you mind 
including all the relevant information in your emails to the list, for 
example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as unnecessarily 
hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to point out Jon's 
omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead of Richard's), just to 
tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone else subscribed to this list.

Thanks,  
 
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On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 
No, I don't get it.

Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably rude?
If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
include the relevant content.

Fae

On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Hello all,

 I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a second
 there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came across
 as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.

 The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
 editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That has
 to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the chapter
 and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility might be
 necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a rule
 holds true on an internet mailing list.

 A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
 being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's no
 problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can at
 least keep a friendly face on most emails.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

[HJ Mitchell]

I hope they will step in more in future. We should all aim to maintain a level 
of decorum on this list, even when we're criticising one another, and the 
moderators should say something when the decorum slips.
 
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On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 15:58, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Hi James,

Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the
moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list
when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to
treat all contributors here equally.

As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on
this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before.

Fae

On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and
 bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it.

 On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended
 to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list
 officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not
 recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this
 incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption
 of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue
 of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this
 weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the
 inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current
 trustees.

 The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen
 with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to
 announcements by employees and positive statements rather than open
 discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to
 censorship of this list for vague perceptions of tone by Chapter
 employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing
 anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be
 heard.

 This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If
 the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses
 much of its value as a community sounding board.

 Fae

 On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
  Fae,
 
  I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point,
  which is
  that you could have written something to the effect of Jon, would you
  mind
  including all the relevant information in your emails to the list, for
  example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as
  unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to
  point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead
  of
  Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone
  else
  subscribed to this list.
 
  Thanks,
 
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  On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  No, I don't get it.
 
  Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
  rude?
  If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
  include the relevant content.
 
  Fae
 
  On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
  richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  Hello all,
 
  I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
  second
  there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
  across
  as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
 
  The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
  editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile.
  That
  has
  to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
  chapter
  and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
  might
  be
  necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
  rule
  holds true on an internet mailing list.
 
  A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort
  into
  being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and
  there's
  no
  problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can
  at
  least keep a friendly face on most emails.
 
  Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
  wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Your views on the candidates for Chapter affiliated board seats

[HJ Mitchell]

Thanks for the pointer, Fae. The only one of the candidates I know is Alice; 
I've never even heard of the rest. I suspect that's not atypical, which might 
be why we're not seeing a groundswell of opinion.

To be honest, I tend to think that life's too short for movement politics. 
You'd struggle to convince the average Wikipedian of its relevance to the 
day-to-day running of the projects.

Do you know the other candidates? Do you have an opinion on any of them?  
 
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On Tuesday, 8 April 2014, 13:45, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Wikimedia UK has currently not endorsed any candidate for the two
Chapter affiliate seats on the WMF Board of Trustees. Neither has any
UK candidate stepped forward.

Does anyone have views to share on this list for which candidate they
feel would best represent the interests of our volunteers? There is
around a week left and Michael Maggs (the UK Chairman) has stated that
the chapter might endorse a candidate if there were a groundswell of
opinion.

The candidates are:
* Frieda Brioschi
* Mallory Knodel
* Patricio Lorente
* Anders Wennersten
* Alice Wiegand

You can find links to their nomination statements at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2014/Nominations

To put questions to the candidates goto:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2014/Questions

A related chapter discussion thread is at
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room#Affiliate-selected_seats_on_the_board_of_the_Wikimedia_Foundation
if you prefer to write there.

I am a bit disappointed there have not been more candidates (dropping
from 8 in 2012 to 5 this year). The chapters movement (and the GLAM
programme) would be best served by strong competition for these
positions.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lists of police stations in the UK

[HJ Mitchell]

Great idea, Andy! I'm amazed nobody thought about this earlier.

A tangent, and one that probably belongs on the wiki (though I don't know 
where), but is it better to do these by county or by force area? Obviously for 
the West Mids these are the same, but in other areas the police force covers 
more than one county (eg Thames Valley or West Mercia). Also, what are you 
doing about police stations for non-territorial forces (eg British Transport 
Police)? 
 
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On Monday, 7 April 2014, 19:47, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 
I am working on a 'List of police stations in the West Midlands' article:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_stations_in_the_West_Midlands

and would love to see others do so for other counties in the UK.

Note the use of a template for each row; and that both current and
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lists of police stations in the UK

[HJ Mitchell]

Only two? I thought there were three - Coventry, Birmingham New Street, and 
Wolverhampton?
 
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On Monday, 7 April 2014, 21:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 
On 7 April 2014 20:55, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
 A tangent, and one that probably belongs on the wiki (though I don't know
 where), but is it better to do these by county or by force area? Obviously
 for the West Mids these are the same, but in other areas the police force
 covers more than one county (eg Thames Valley or West Mercia).

I have no strong feelings either way - I suppose it depends on the
number, and how the editors making the lists feel.

 Also, what are you doing about police stations for non-territorial forces (eg 
 British
 Transport Police)?

I'm about to add two BTP entries to the WM county page.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships

[HJ Mitchell]

I don't think anybody is suggesting you link somebody's real-life identity to 
their Wikimedia username against their wishes (unless there's context that I've 
missed). I'm suggesting you should publish whatever information the recipient 
is comfortable with, unless they're not comfortable with anything being 
published.

I can also understand why some people might not want their presence at a 
particular event to be known in advance (for example if they're worried about 
harassment), but that information could easily be published after the event if 
the recipient were comfortable with that.

We should be transparent whenever there is no good reason to be opaque - it 
will inspire confidence in WMUK, it's one less stick with which we can be 
beaten, and it's the best (perhaps only) way to prove that the process is not 
corrupt or nepotistic.  
 
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On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:48, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 
1 Many Wikimedians want to keep their userid and real name separate - even when 
attending events.

2 The way to encourage applicants to be open about this is not
 to then criticise those who get scholarships. Instead make sure we have 
the right people on a scholarship committee.

There are many checks and balances and sometimes needs to protect individuals. 
That is an important factor in getting the appropriate level of transparency.




On 31 March 2014 13:28, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:

Fae, this is a standard defence that you run often.

Let me say that you do not do yourself any favours when you make a statement 
accusing the chapter of some outrageous or corrupt act, and then deny 
responsibility for the intent of your posting by pointing out that you had 
phrased it in the conditional. Carefully drafting an allegation in the 
conditional is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to disclaim all 
responsibility for the meaning you intended to convey in the first place.

Michael


On 31 Mar 2014, at 13:15, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 would be - i.e. hypothetical scenario.

 Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no.

 Fae

 On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
 Fae,

 I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption,
 but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that
 you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been
 made.

 Thanks,

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 On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency
 and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came
 out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to
 Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public
 declarations.

 Fae

 On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
 Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!

 Mike

 On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia
 conferences
 to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want
 it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular
 Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded
 by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than
 privately does not affect that.

 Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the
 conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their
 planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to
 produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have
 taken from the event.


 On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.

 Where is the list going to be published?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Interested in a potential hook-up with a sci-fi film festival?

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi Stevie,

I'm already in discussion with somebody involved with the convention. We 
haven't got anything firm yet (there was going to be more conversation at the 
Coventry meetup on the 30th), so unless you've already made some headway, 
perhaps we should merge the conversations? 
 
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On Wednesday, 19 March 2014, 11:02, Stevie Benton 
stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 
Hello everyone,

I'm aware that asking this question here may just cause my inbox to melt...

I recently met with the organiser of a sci-fi film festival. As a part of the 
festival they have a big convention which is, I think, being held at the ExCel 
arena this year in London.

It's early days but we're exploring the possibility of Wikimedia UK doing 
something within the convention. There will be lots of writers there, and 
sci-fi film folk. There's lots of scope for things, such as getting photos and 
sound files for Commons, editing training, an editathon... there's lots of 
potential.

If anyone is interested in meeting with the convention / festival organiser do 
let me know and we'll see if we can set something up.

Thank you,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Community consultation on WMUK's Wikimedia in Residence programme

[HJ Mitchell]

I agree with Mike, but I would add that it's good that the chapter is seeking 
input on this sort of thing. Perhaps there could be somewhere on the wiki where 
folks can add freeform comments about WiRs that don;t necessarily fit into the 
answers to the survey questions?  
 
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On Friday, 7 March 2014, 23:06, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk 
wrote:
 

On 6 Mar 2014, at 16:37, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote:

 
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 16:30, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 wrote:
 
 As a chapter we have run the Wikimedian in Residence (WIR) programme since 
 May 2012, when Andrew Gray started his residency at the British Library. 
 
 You've missed out a couple of years of history there - British Museum, Derby, 
 ARKive...

As promised to Richard offlist, I've just gone through the survey and filled it 
in. There were a number of questions that were rather odd in their phrasing or 
allowed answers though. For example:

Question 2: these were all very general questions (e.g. asking about the 
lengths of WiRs and their benefits to the community) that could only be 
answered 'Not at all', 'Moderately' and 'Completely'. I went for 'moderately' 
for all of these as there wasn't really anything to completely disagree or 
agree with here - e.g. length of residencies, it's not clear whether saying 
'Completely' would indicate support of 3-month or 1-year residencies.

Questions 5 and 6: these are nearly impossible to answer as a 'select 3' 
question. Having a ranked answer here would be much more effective.

I was also expecting to see more questions on topics like 'what are the most 
important aspects and outcomes of a successful WiR project?', 'how would you 
like to be involved in future WiR projects?' and 'how can WiR projects better 
engage volunteers?'.

My main suggestion would be: please share drafts of surveys like this on-wiki 
and ask for feedback on them before starting to ask for answers to them! WMUK's 
membership survey is a really good example of how such surveys can be 
collaboratively designed and carried out.

Thanks,
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[Wikimediauk-l] Anybody interested in a Plymouth meetup?

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi folks,

I'm going to be in Plymouth on WMUK business during the first week of April. 
Would anyone on this list be interested in a Wikipedia meetup on either the 
evening of Thursday 3 April or on Saturday 5 April? People from the surrounding 
area or further afield would also be welcome.

If you know any South West-based Wikimedians who might be interested, please 
draw this to their attention - it's very likely there'll be a meetup on one or 
even both of those dates, but it would be nice to gauge demand beforehand.

Please email me off-list, ping me on Wikipedia, or even send a messenger pigeon 
if you're interested or you know anyone else who might be!

Thanks, 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Chiltern Trains Wi-Fi blocks Wikimedia Commons

[HJ Mitchell]

FYI, it's the same on First Hull Trains.

Interestingly, CrossCountry don't block Commons, and they're owned by the same 
company as Chiltern (unless that's changed recently?).

As Fae says, East Midlands Trains (when the WiFi works!) don't block Commons, 
and East Coast likewise. I've not been on First Great western for years so I 
don't know about them; I'm not sure any other train companies have WiFi 
(Northern Rail and First Transpenine Express certainly don't).
 
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On Wednesday, 15 January 2014, 0:49, Sarah Noble sa...@sarahlicity.co.uk 
wrote:
 
There may be some for bandwidth reasons excuse that Chiltern use to block 
Commons; that's why East Coast block imgur (and YouTube) after all. If you can 
get their wifi to work.

What's the reason for blocking Grindr anyway, Fae? And would they also block, 
say, okcupid?



On 14 January 2014 20:47, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

Normally the blocking page gives you a link to write to as this is
often contracted out. I believe most of these filtering services try
to respond to reasonable unblocking requests.

East Midland trains are fine for Wikimedia projects but block
Wikipediocracy (hurrah). I'll not be bothering to write to them about
unblocking Wikipediocracy and though they also block Grindr, I think
most lads use their mobile data for socializing.


On 14 January 2014 20:26, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 For some time, Chiltern Trains free Wi-Fi has been blocking Wikimedia
 Commons, as:

    This site was categorized in: Photo Sharing,
    File Storage, Software/Technology, Research/
    Reference, Non-Profits, Visual Search Engines

 Wikipedia, including its commons-hosted images, is not blocked. I have
 reached out to them more than once on Twitter to ask for an unblock,
 or who to speak to about requesting one, but they have never replied.

 Apart from e-mailing them ,which I shall do shortly, what other action
 might we take, as a community? Do any of you have contacts in the
 organisation?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Downloading a category from commons

[HJ Mitchell]

I'm curious, why do you want to do this?
 
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 From: Jonathan Cardy jonathan.ca...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 15:32
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Downloading a category from commons
 


Dear all,

We need to do a couple of batch extracts from Wikimedia Commons including a 
copy of the Wiki takes Chester photos. Is there anyone who could do this for 
us or show us how?

The extract would be expected to fit on a memory stick, and we would supply the 
memory stick. Needless to say the extract needs to comply with reuse policy so 
some metadata will also need extraction.

Regards




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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 'Illustrating Wikipedia brochure' - your thoughts?

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Pardon me, Michael, but I think that might be a bit too jargony. If I was a 
complete novice on copyright, I'd have to read that several times to work out 
that I could upload a photo of any building in the UK without infringing a 
third party's copyright. The important part is that if it's 3D and permanently 
lives in a public place (like a building or a statue), it's fair game. An 
example might be useful in illustrating the point for novices; Nelson's Column 
comes to mind...
 
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 From: Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Stevie 
Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk 
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 15:40
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 'Illustrating Wikipedia brochure' - your   
thoughts?
 


A link might be good but as Katie says that will probably not help beginners.   
If at all possible I'd like to squeeze this in, as in prtactice the issues 
briefly coverd there are of considerable imporetance to Commons, and admins 
spend a lot of time having to delete non-free contect that comes within that 
field.  

I'm happy to try and shorten if we can.  Also, can the 'have fun!' sign off be 
smaller?

This version maybe saves a line without losing content:

Freedom of panorama ('FoP') in the UK
FoP is a copyright law exception which gives photographers the freedom to 
take a photo of any building, or any 3D artistic work (eg sculpture, 
jewellery, artwork) that is on permanent public display, without infringing 
any copyright held by the architect or artist.  'Public display' means in a 
place normally open to the public, including interior spaces such as 
museums.  FoP does not extend to 3D works that are part of a temporary 
exhibition, nor to most 2D works such as posters or signs - even if on 
display in public.  FoP in the UK allows all modern buildings and some 3D 
artistic works to be freely photographed, without copyright concerns, but 
note that other countries' rules may differ.

Michael




On 13 Sep 2013, at 15:08, Katie Chan wrote:

Both the English Wikipedia and Commons have a page on FoP, but they're not 
necessarily beginners friendly.


* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama



On 13 September 2013 14:35, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk 
wrote:

Hi Michael,


Thanks for your comments. The xxx is the space for the URL - once I know 
what that will be I'll add it in.


I will try and squeeze that text in although I'm not sure there is space. Is 
there a URL we can point people to for fuller details of FoP? It's all a bit 
daunting and intimidating for newbies I think.


Thanks,

Stevie



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Office] More Wiki Takes … events in September for WLM ?

[HJ Mitchell]

I'm happy to help with logistics if anybody is interested but put off by lack 
of time or experience.

Also, registration for Chester is still open, please see 
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester.

Thanks,
 
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Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 12:50
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l][WMUK Office] More Wiki Takes … events in 
September for WLM ?
 


It would certainly be nice to have another one to bookend the competition. I 
approached User:Hassocks... to see if he was interested in organising one in 
Sussex, but he's away for most of September.

Somewhere outside London might be nice, ideally urban and historic so that 
there are enough listed buildings clustered in one place. And of course a 
volunteer.

We could perhaps ask Rod Ward, but his neck of the woods is pretty well covered 
and he's put in a lot of hard work getting the lists into shape. Clem Rutter is 
based in Rochester, but I don't know if he has experience of organising events. 
Mark MacDonald is based at Lancaster University. Perhaps we could ask if he 
could get students involved in a Wiki Takes... event?



On 23 August 2013 12:42, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:

Harry Mitchell is running a Wiki Takes Chester event on 7th September. 
(http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester)

Is anyone able to run another local event in September that could pull people 
in to the Wiki Loves Monuments competition?

Michael

See:  http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/


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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Takes Chester

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Hi folks,

As part of Wiki Loves Monuments, I'm organising a one-day photography contest 
in Chester on 7 September. The aim is fairly simple - to get good-quality 
photographs of some of Chester's most important listed buildings. Contestants 
will be given a target list and will have most of the day to take photographs 
before returning to the venue to start uploading. Chester is an incredibly 
beautiful city with some truly unique buildings, so nobody should be short of 
something to photograph! 

The aim is for the event to be a fun day out for experienced Wikipedians and 
newbies alike, so of course I need people to come and take some photos! I also 
need some experienced editors to come and help the less experienced through the 
upload process and generally be on-hand just in case.

For more information, including a link to the (very simple) registration form, 
please see http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester. Please feel 
free to share with anyone you think might be interested.

If you're willing to assist others with uploading, please also email me 
off-list.

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[Wikimediauk-l] First-ever Newcastle meetup

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi folks,

With help from a friend in the area, I've just scheduled the first ever 
Newcastle Wikipedia meetup for 15 September. If you can make it, please do sign 
up and come along. I'm hoping to attract a reasonable number of locals, but it 
would also be great to have a group of people who have been to meetups before 
to be welcoming and friendly!

Sign up: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Newcastle/1

Thanks,     
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Conference Committee meeting (all welcome)

[HJ Mitchell]

Thanks, Jon, that would be really helpful.

For everyone's information, the meeting is looking like it will be in the 
evening of Thursday 27 June.
 
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Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2013, 8:37
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I will make sure you have the analysis of the forms and the financial info in 
time for the meeting.


On 11 June 2013 17:34, Harry Mitchell harry.mitch...@wikiconferences.org.uk 
wrote:

Hello!

The Conference Committee is planning to meet (remotely - online or by phone) 
hopefully before the end of the month. Of particular interest to many of you 
will be the review of WikiConference UK 2013 and the discussion of the 2014 
AGM (this is where those green forms I forced you to fill in on the day will 
come in handy, so we're very much obliged to everyone who filled one in). 
We'll also be discussing EduWiki and Wikimania, so it's an exciting agenda (or 
at least as exciting as committee meeting get!).

If you have thoughts on the 2013 AGM, please do add them at 
https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2013/Lessons or email them to 
me if you're not comfortable with wikis and/or want to speak in confidence. If 
you spot something missing from the agenda, add it to 
https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Conference_Committee/Planning_meeting_10#AOB.

Everybody is welcome (I will email this list with details when they're known); 
if you'd lie to take part in the Doodle poll to decide the date, please email 
me. Likewise with any other questions or comments.

Thanks,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK elects four trustees to its Board

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Congratulations to the new trustees. Here's hoping for a happy and productive 
year. And hopefully the unsuccessful candidates will keep in touch - it would 
be good to have them all on board, but there are only so many seats.

I'll second Chris as well and say thank you to all the speakers, the attendees, 
our wonderful staff (especially Daria and Katie who were so helpful with the 
AGM), and my colleagues on the Conference Committee, all of whom helped make 
the conference a success.
 
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 From: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 20:28
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK elects four trustees to its Board
 


Hello everyone,

As you may know, Wikimedia UK held its AGM yesterday in Lincoln. This included 
elections for trustees to serve on the Board of the charity. 

You can find details of the elected candidates on our blog at 
http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/06/wikimedia-uk-announces-election-of-new-board-members/

Many thanks to all candidates, both successful and unsuccessful, for taking 
part. 

Thanks and regards,

Stevie

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] World War One editathon in June?

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Hey Stevie,

I won't have time to properly devote to something like this until mid-June, but 
I'm a coordinator of the Military History Project, so I'd love to see the UK 
join in with this and I'd certainly attend the event, and I'll help in any way 
I can.
 
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 From: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2013, 13:15
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] World War One editathon in June?
 


Hello everyone,

John Andersson of Wikimedia Sweden has commented on the ENWP Military History 
project asking if there are any Wikimedians interested in taking part in a 
First World War editathon in June this year - 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Help_us_organize_a_World_War_I_edit-a-thon_in_June_2013

I also posted something recently on the same page calling for Wikimedians with 
ideas about projects related to the centenary of the war to get in touch, too - 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Calling_all_Wikimedians_interested_in_the_First_World_War

If you'd like to suggest ideas, lead on a project or like any support from 
Wikimedia UK regarding this topic, please do get in touch.

You can also view my notes from a workshop related to the centenary on the WMUK 
wiki here - 
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_One/Notes_from_IWM_comms_workshop

Thanks and regards,

Stevie

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom is ready to go!

[HJ Mitchell]

Do you need an extra list admin?
 
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 From: Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Friday, 17 May 2013, 13:22
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom is 
ready to go!
 


Apologies for this email taking two days to come through - I have been off work 
a fair bit recently and haven't had time to check the moderation queue.


Richard Symonds
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On 15 May 2013 19:27, Michael Maggs michaelnma...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all


For the very first time, the UK community will be competing in the annual Wiki 
Loves Monuments competition in September.  This is a community-led effort, 
with support from WMUK.  A number of volunteers have already expressed 
interest in helping to organize the contest, but there is much to be done and 
many more volunteers are needed, both now and over the coming few months.  


If you would like to contribute towards making our first ever competition the 
great success we expect it to be, please visit 


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom
 


and leave your name there.  Even if you are only able to offer us moral 
support, or want to take part as photographer in September, please leave your 
details anyway.  You need not be based in the UK to help.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Spam] Re: Nice piece from another country.

[HJ Mitchell]

Personally, I think the Beeb are owed some Kudos - compared to most news 
articles to do with WMUK, it's remarkably accurate
 
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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 19:18
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Spam] Re: Nice piece from another country.
 


Hello all,

I've requested a couple of amends to the article to reflect the above. 
Hopefully these will be picked up soon. 

Thanks,

Stevie



On 24 April 2013 05:45, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

500m for all projects in all languages. Wikipedia-specific is probably smaller.

The 365m figure is from the Wikipedia article lead, though ;-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia

A.


On 24 April 2013 13:42, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also, It estimates that is has about 365 million readers worldwide. I
 thought we just crossed the 500 million mark for unique visitors?

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 On 24 Apr 2013, at 12:50, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
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 I believe so, if Stevie has time: he's currently in San Francisco so is
 trying to get all the time he can with the WMF staff.

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 On 24 April 2013 12:43, Harry Burt harryab...@gmail.com wrote:

 Seems well-informed. Is there any intention to ask for Wikipedian to be
 changed to Wikipedian-in-Residence in the prose if not the headline? I
 always thought the latter had quite a nice ring to it myself.

 Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250)


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 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22264118

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedian in Residence

[HJ Mitchell]

Which, just to avoid any potential misunderstandings, is just as valid and just 
as valuable as the WMUK-supported WiR positions. This is, after all, a list for 
the UK community, not exclusively for the UK chapter.

Great work, Andy, I'll try to get to at least one of your events. 
 
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Cc: Wikimedia  GLAM collaboration [Public] g...@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013, 15:00
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedian in Residence
 

Congratulations, Andy.

Just to avoid any potential misunderstandings here, can I point out that this 
isn't a WMUK-supported WiR position, i.e. WMUK hasn't been involved in 
establishing or running this WiR position, and there's no contract between WMUK 
and the institution (as there is e.g. with TWAM and the Science Museum using an 
agreement like that at 
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Example_WiR_agreement.pdf ). This is 
something that Andy's doing as an individual.

Thanks,
Mike


On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:53, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

Excellent Andy, please bug me to call in and see the Gallery - I'm bound to 
forget otherwise.

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On 16 April 2013 13:26, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

What makes you think I'm limited to the UK? ;-)

Thank you, all, for your kind words. some great images being uploaded at:

   http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Garman_Ryan_Collection

A.



On 16 April 2013 12:35, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:
 How many GLAMs are there in the UK? :-)

 Keep spreading the news!

 On 16 April 2013 11:12, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Event details are now at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/NAGW

 On 16 April 2013 09:29, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  Hi folks,
 
  I am pleased to announce that this morning, I start work as Wikipedian
  in Residence at The New Art Gallery, Walsall
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Art_Gallery_Walsall
 
  I hope to have a project page on-Wiki later today, but in brief the
  main part of the project will be running a series of free open events
  for members of the public to learn to edit Wikipedia, and to use the
  gallery's impressive library an archives. Of course I'll also be
  training gallery staff, and advising the management board on their
  strategic approach to open content.
 
  This residency runs alongside my existing residency at Lancashire
  County Council's Queen Street Mill Textile Museum.
 
  I hope to see some of you at one or more of the NAGW events.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

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There's very little I can say that would add to Doug's articulate and 
well-thought-out post, but I welcome Andreas' more substantive post as a step 
towards a rational, mature discussion about these projects. I think such a 
discussion has been needed for a while, but hasn't been possible until now 
because of the entanglement with wider issues about conflicts of interest etc.

Andreas raises some points that are worth addressing. The conflation of roles 
within the chapter is not something I'm in a position to opine on, but the 
projects' being plainly described as tourism marketing initiatives in the 
press is a legitimate concern. Wikipedia must be neutral, and of course that 
neutrality extends beyond the text of a given article. Nevertheless, the 
increased visibility of, say, Monmouth is an effect of these projects and one 
reason that local governments may wish to see such projects in their areas. 
There's no getting away from that - local governments aren't motivated by 
altruism in the same way that Wikipedians are. As for the controversy at DYK, 
mistakes were made there. I think it was the result of naivety and the lack of 
clear process for this sort of thing at DYK and certainly not of any malice. 
Roger was just trying to see that people writing articles got some recognition, 
as he had done for years before Monmouth- or
 Gibraltarpedia were conceived. I think Roger's naivety wrt conflicts of 
interest and volumes of nominations at DYK, and DYK's processes, have both been 
rectified or are being rectified.

All that said, we need to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, 
Gibraltarpedia has its issues. No, those issues are not going to go away with 
the wave of a magic wand. But I've been to Gibraltar, and the number of people 
involved, and the enthusiasm with which the project is met by residents, 
cultural institutions, schools, and at least three different government 
departments tells me that something is being built that will outlive the 
politics surrounding the project, and it has real potential to make a positive 
change to the movement without compromising our movement's principles.

None of that is to say that Gibraltarpedia can carry on as though the events of 
the last few months never happened (see my first paragraph), but nor is it 
fatally flawed. It's also worth pointing out that almost everybody involved is 
involved as a volunteer and is contributing to the project and to Wikipedia out 
of altruism. 

Thanks,
 
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 From: rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 15:56
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
 

My usual optimism can sometimes lead to disappointment, but I think I'd rather 
have it that way. Projects like Monmouthpedia and Gibraltarpedia have a huge 
potential for doing good work, and they need the community to support and 
engage with them to make sure they deliver that good work.

I am pleased to read Andreas' précis of the extent to which he would support 
projects, but it's worth fleshing out the positive side of engaging in such 
projects, either as volunteers or as a body:

1. There is an opportunity to create many new encyclopedic articles, 
not only in English but also in myriad other languages.
2. There is an opportunity to take and publish photographs of notable 
objects and people.
3. There is an opportunity to enthuse existing editors and recruit new 
editors, training them as we go along.
4. There is an opportunity to create networks to support more projects 
between interested groups who share our aims.For example, Monmouthpedia 
generated many new articles in multiple languages as well as new photographs; 
the volunteers' efforts have helped vitalise the Welsh Wikipedia; the contacts 
made are leading to a shift in attitude of the Welsh Government and academia 
towards free and open licensing of work that they create or are custodians of.

Gibraltarpedia has the potential to involve the whole area from Gibraltar into 
North Africa and create links between British, Spanish and North African 
wikimedians - perhaps even help to establish new communities of wikimedians 
where they do not yet exist.

Andreas' concerns are clearly genuinely held, and we should never fear honest 
scrutiny and criticism. I'm looking forward to seeing new initiatives in the 
future and I'd welcome everyone's input on how best to ensure that they meet 
the vision of our wiki-movement. Contributions from our sternest critics are 
potentially the most valuable.

-- 
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On 12 February 2013 13:41, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

Thomas,


I don't think there is much wrong with projects like Monmouthpedia and 
Gibraltarpedia at all. When I first heard about Monmouthpedia, I thought it 
was a great project. 


Problems 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[HJ Mitchell]

I don't want to set the cat among the pigeons, but does this mean that WMUK can 
now support GibraltarpediA?

I perfectly understand that things are a bit more complicated when it comes to 
money and formal agreements, but after the wonderful success in Monmouth, it 
would be a shame if the excellent work going on in Gibraltar continued to be 
overshadowed by the controversies about conflicts of interest and ownership of 
QRpedia. I think WMUK could do quite a bit to be seen to be supportive, and I 
think recognition of the project from formal entities within the movement (such 
as chapters) can go a long way towards changing the default narrative (to 
pinch Stevie's phrase).

All that said, I'm very pleased to see that this has finally been resolved and 
(it seems) with a minimum of acrimony. Hopefully all those involved will be 
happy with what they have contributed to the Wikimedia movement and will 
continue their involvement with it for a long time to come.   
 
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To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013, 16:37
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
 
What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the donation 
or similar.

John
On 11/02/2013 14:03, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:21:39 + From: Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
 wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia 
 Message-ID: 
 cacti2rkakugc3dntc1k+xj+l8dv9ugbijybubfhs-goudtl...@mail.gmail.com 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This is something I'm liaising 
 on with the WMF. The original copy was put together jointly between WMF and 
 WMUK and I'm keen that any revisions are accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful 
 that we can get this fixed today. Thanks, Stevie On 9 February 2013 20:40, 
 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keatingchris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:
  The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
  domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK
 
 It would be a good idea to update
 
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
  
 ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Victorian-era Dictionary of National Biography digitised on Wikisource

[HJ Mitchell]

That's really exciting - it's relatively easy to work out that a given topic 
area (in this case notable Victorians) has gaps, but it's wonderful to have 
something like this that tells us exactly what those gaps are and helps us fill 
them.

In fact, it's the sort of thing you could build an edit-a-thon around to get 
people filling in the gaps...
 
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 From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013, 18:25
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Victorian-era Dictionary of National Biography 
digitised on Wikisource
 
On 11 February 2013 18:03, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
 Congratulations indeed.

 Putting 29,000+ biographies onto Wikisource is a monumental achievement;
 Charles and all those who contributed deserve to be told by us how much
 their efforts are appreciated.

 What's next, Charles?

Well, I only got into this project through my so-called friend Dsp13,
at the time in 2009 when I wanted some Puritan biographies. Much of
the point is to have material that can build up WP, with a really
convenient way of linking back to the original. Old text can be used
on WP, but you have to be really ruthless in editing it.

So almost as important to me on Wikipedia as WP:DNB (Don't Bite the
Newbies) is WP:WP DNB, the WikiProject devoted to quarrying out the
good stuff from the DNB, starting articles, and upgrading them. Now at
last we'll be able to find how many missing topics there are (I guess
5,000 to 6,000, about 20%), through various routes. The Wikisource
category Category:DNB No WP says 13,152 missing today, which is much
too high; but Magnus Manske has a way of sorting by rough length and
so today I'm working on a WP article that is one of the longest
missing (spreads over four DNB pages). Rich Farmbrough has worked on
this category in the past.

Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period

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I'm with David and Andrew. The chapter should send out an email when membership 
expires and perhaps send a couple of reminders at given intervals. I don't know 
if this is done now. I know a notification was experimented with a few months 
ago, but before then there was no easy way to know if your membership has 
expired or not.

Similarly, I don't if t's done now, but there didn't used to be an 
acknowledgement of a membership application. If it's not done already, the 
chapter should certainly send out a thank you for your £5, your membership is 
awaiting approval and then a your membership has been approved email.    
 
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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 17:40
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period
 
On 7 February 2013 17:22, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7 February 2013 17:01, Katherine Bavage
 katherine.bav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 So - I'm not advocating FOR a reduction in limiting the grace period to a
 shorter time span (say, three months) but rather seeking your thoughts on
 whether that would be a good or a bad idea and why, much like I did when
 asking about verifying the identity of members applying for membership.
 Candid responses welcome.

 I'm thinking you should nag us more.

 *cough* I suspect I am one of said members. Where do I go to give you
 my money again?

Yeah, I'm with David - active members in grace are mostly just
forgetful :-). As there are virtually no things for which being a
member is essential other than voting, it's very easy to not get
around to it...

Is it possible to set up recurring membership dues as a direct debit?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review

[HJ Mitchell]

Tom,

I've a lot of respect for you, and I usually agree with you. In fact, I mostly 
agree with you on this issue - I would like to see the report published sooner 
rather than later because even if it is absolutely damning, it is in the 
charity's best interests to publish it and be seen to be addressing the issues 
raised in it.

However, it is not your decision (or mine) to make, and there is more at stake 
here than a delay in the membership being able to hold the board to account. In 
the worst case scenario, potentially people's jobs, WMUK's chapter status, and 
the UK community's relations with the WMF and the wider movement are at risk. 
Thus, it is understandable that Jon and the board might want some time to work 
out what they're going to do about it before they are lambasted for the 
failings (to use your word) that are being reported on.

Taking that into account, please moderate your tone. This is a public mailing 
list and people don't want their inboxes filled with your diatribes, and 
directing those diatribes at members of staff who work very hard in the name of 
this charity and are limited in what they can say in response by standards of 
professionalism and decency is unlikely to achieve the result you desire and 
risks damaging the charity even further than the actions you are complaining 
about.
 
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 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2013, 12:35
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review
 
On 6 February 2013 12:23, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Tom, I don't see where anyone is making excuses.

Try reading this email thread... To use the Wiktionary definition, an
excuse is an explanation designed to avoid or alleviate guilt or
negative judgment.

In a statement of the form We are (not) doing X because of Y we call
Y an excuse.

 As your previous email acknowledges, the review was co-commissioned by
 Wikimedia UK and the Wikimedia Foundation. We are discussing the review with
 the Foundation and are in the process of preparing a response. This response
 needs to be co-ordinated on both sides, discussed, and consensus reached.
 This doesn't happen immediately. Please do be assured that we are in regular
 contact with the WMF on this issue, as they are with us.

As I have explained repeatedly, you do not need to discuss a response.
The response should simply say that we are now going to have an open
discussion with the community and decide where we go from here, and
you could have written that months ago. Or have you already decided
that you don't care what the community thinks and are just going to
make all the decisions about how to respond yourselves?

 One other important point I want to address from your email below, too. You
 say co-commissioned a report into your own failings. This is inaccurate as
 there are plenty of things that we do well that the report will also look
 at.

Well, yes, I would hope you haven't failed at everything. The review
was commissioned to look at your failings, though. Obviously, to work
out what your failings are, it will have looked at things that turned
out to be fine. Trying to deny that this is about your failings is
disingenuous.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Meetup in the East Midlands

[HJ Mitchell]

Just down the road from me. I'm sure it would make a great spot for a meetup. 
In 20-odd years' time! 
 
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 From: Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013, 17:03
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Meetup in the East Midlands
 

Toton sounds convenient - fast train service I hear.


On 29 January 2013 16:54, Doug Weller dougwel...@gmail.com wrote:

Sadly I'm on my way to the Hebrides the weekend of the AGM.
Doug



On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Richard Nevell 
richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

Stamford does have a community of people who are finding their feet as far as 
editing Wikipedia is concerned. It would be nice to see a Wikimeet started 
there, but if it's not particularly easy for people to get to then another 
location may be preferable. It looks like the more successful Wikimeets are in 
urban areas, perhaps because there are good transport connections, so a city 
such as Nottingham would be a good idea. If the AGM in Lincoln gets a lot of 
local interest and the Nottingham Wikimeet flounders it could perhaps be moved.

Richard



On 29 January 2013 16:21, Doug Weller dougwel...@gmail.com wrote:

Those aren't close. I'd prefer Nottingham, Stamford and Oakham are a long way 
from Derbyshire which has trains and buses to Nottingham.
Doug



On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Richard Farmbrough 
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:

Stamford would be my preference,  but Oakham would be  a close second


On 10/01/2013 21:28, Richard Symonds wrote:

Nottingham would be my preference. Decent tram system, and on the East 
Coast Main Line. A few very good volunteers there too!
Sounds great - we will give you as much help as you want from the office 
end.
Jon


On 10 January 2013 19:52, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

Hi folks,


I've been keen to establish a meetup in the East Midlands for a while 
(the only one anywhere in the Midlands at the moment is in Coventry), and 
since we're holding WikiConference UK 2013 in Lincoln, now would seem 
like the time to get something going.


To that end, I'm looking for some input. I'm considering putting it in 
Derby, Nottingham, or Lincoln (Derby because it has the best transport 
links, Nottingham because it's the biggest city in the region, and 
Lincoln because that's where the AGM is; I ruled out Leicester due to its 
proximity to Coventry), so if you would consider coming to a meetup in 
this area and you have a preference for any of those three cities, I want 
to hear it. :)


Thanks, 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers

[HJ Mitchell]

Well we have a list of Grade I listed buildings in every county. I'm sure it 
would be easy enough to have a bot do the same for Grade II* and Scheduled 
Ancient Monuments, and that gives us a ready-made target list. How much more 
organisation is needed, beyond creating the necessary project pages on the 
relevant wikis and getting the word out?   
 
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 From: Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 16:31
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers
 

Excellent suggestions, thanks, I will look into it.

A WLM speaker would be great... last year it was mentioned, but only as a plea 
for someone to step forward and organise the UK effort. 

I looked into what it would take but it seems a larger job than I'd have time 
for given my other committements - is there noone from the GLAM side of things 
who can take it on??

Tom



On 15 January 2013 21:11, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

If the UK would be participating in Wiki Loves Monuments this year, would that 
be an angle to search a keynote? (national or European) I doubt someone from 
the international team would qualify as a ''keynote'' (maybe regular though?) 
but someone from Heritage England or even one of the European umbrella 
organizations (Europa Nostra, Europeana) could do something? 


Just a thought,


Lodewijk



2013/1/15 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk

AGM 8th of June with more activities on the 9th.


On 15 January 2013 11:21, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:

date?
On Jan 15, 2013 11:19 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

Morning Everyone,


As you might know, the 2013 conference will be in Lincoln, organised by the 
Conference Committee with support from the office.


With the venue chosen, we now need to figure out an exciting programme. A 
lot of this is in the planning stage and we will be releasing more 
information later, however one of the first thing we need to do is figure 
out some keynote speakers.


Later in the year we will be calling for papers and speakers from within 
the community, right now we are focusing on finding one or two big names 
who have something relevant to say.


As this is your concert we need to know who you want to hear from!


It could be anyone; from celerities, to politicians, to activists. We're 
looking for intriguing suggestions, people with a unique perspective.


Some initial suggestions have been made, please please do suggest further 
ideas here on the mailing list, by emailing myself or posting on this page: 
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2013/Speakers


Regards,
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[Wikimediauk-l] Fw: WikiConference 2013 Speakers

[HJ Mitchell]

Huge dents have been made in the Geograph backlog since last year, thanks 
mainly to changes in HotCat and Cat-a-lot on Commons and the dedication of 
WereSpielChequers and others. Geograph is fantastic, but it has surprising gaps 
and the images are all low-res, so there's definitely room for Geogrpah and WLM 
to peacefully co-exist.   

 
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 From: Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
To: HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com; UK Wikimedia mailing list 
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 16:49
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers
 
As I recall, the objections were in part that we have most of this
material already on Commons (via Geograph), but badly organised. I
don't know if that's changed, or if we've got a
 better idea of what's
out there...

- Andrew.

On 16 January 2013 16:45, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
 Well we have a list of Grade I listed buildings in every county. I'm sure it
 would be easy enough to have a bot do the same for Grade II* and Scheduled
 Ancient Monuments, and that gives us a ready-made target list. How much more
 organisation is needed, beyond creating the necessary project pages on the
 relevant wikis and getting the word out?

 Harry Mitchell
 http://enwp.org/User:HJ
 Phone: 024 7698 0977
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell

 
 From: Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 16:31
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers

 Excellent suggestions, thanks, I will look into it.

 A WLM speaker would be great... last year it was mentioned, but only as a
 plea for someone to step forward and organise the UK effort.

 I looked into what it would take but it seems a larger job than I'd have
 time for given my other committements - is there noone from the GLAM side of
 things who can take it on??

 Tom


 On 15 January 2013 21:11, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 If the UK would be participating in Wiki Loves Monuments this year, would
 that be an angle to search a keynote? (national or European) I doubt someone
 from the international team would qualify as a ''keynote'' (maybe regular
 though?) but someone from Heritage England or even one of the European
 umbrella organizations (Europa Nostra, Europeana) could do something?

 Just a thought,

 Lodewijk


 2013/1/15 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk

 AGM 8th of June with more activities on the 9th.

 On 15 January 2013 11:21, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:

 date?
 On Jan 15, 2013 11:19 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Morning Everyone,

 As you might know, the 2013 conference will be in Lincoln, organised by the
 Conference Committee with support from the office.

 With the venue chosen, we now need to figure out an exciting programme. A
 lot of this is in the planning stage and we will be releasing more
 information later, however one of the first thing we need to do is figure
 out some keynote speakers.

 Later in the year we will be calling for papers and speakers from within the
 community, right now we are focusing on finding one or two big names who
 have something relevant to say.

 As this is your concert we need to know
 who you want to hear from!

 It could be anyone; from celerities, to politicians, to activists. We're
 looking for intriguing suggestions, people with a unique perspective.

 Some initial suggestions have been made, please please do suggest further
 ideas here on the mailing list, by emailing myself or posting on this page:
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2013/Speakers

 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers

[HJ Mitchell]

Indeed (I'm responsible for the Grade Is, Grade II*s and Scheduled Monuments in 
Coventry). I was under the impression that some of the Grade Is by county were 
created by a bot or script, but (not knowing much about such things), I imagine 
it would be reasonably easy to import English Heritage's lists by bot.  
 
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 From: Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 17:02
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers
 

There are twice as many Grade II* listed building as there are Grade I (around 
20,000 and 10,000 respectively). Though each county has a list of Grade I 
listed buildings, corresponding lists for Grade II* are rare. Part of the issue 
may be because the lists can be very long and unwieldy. If this could be 
automated it would be very useful as the lists take a huge amount of time to 
put together by hand. Just ask Peter I. Vardy who wrote a few of the lists.

Richard Nevell


On 16 January 2013 16:49, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

As I recall, the objections were in part that we have most of this
material already on Commons (via Geograph), but badly organised. I
don't know if that's changed, or if we've got a better idea of what's
out there...

- Andrew.


On 16 January 2013 16:45, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
 Well we have a list of Grade I listed buildings in every county. I'm sure it
 would be easy enough to have a bot do the same for Grade II* and Scheduled
 Ancient Monuments, and that gives us a ready-made target list. How much more
 organisation is needed, beyond creating the necessary project pages on the
 relevant wikis and getting the word out?

 Harry Mitchell
 http://enwp.org/User:HJ
 Phone: 024 7698 0977
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell

 
 From: Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 16:31
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers

 Excellent suggestions, thanks, I will look into it.

 A WLM speaker would be great... last year it was mentioned, but only as a
 plea for someone to step forward and organise the UK effort.

 I looked into what it would take but it seems a larger job than I'd have
 time for given my other committements - is there noone from the GLAM side of
 things who can take it on??

 Tom


 On 15 January 2013 21:11, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 If the UK would be participating in Wiki Loves Monuments this year, would
 that be an angle to search a keynote? (national or European) I doubt someone
 from the international team would qualify as a ''keynote'' (maybe regular
 though?) but someone from Heritage England or even one of the European
 umbrella organizations (Europa Nostra, Europeana) could do something?

 Just a thought,

 Lodewijk


 2013/1/15 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk

 AGM 8th of June with more activities on the 9th.

 On 15 January 2013 11:21, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:

 date?
 On Jan 15, 2013 11:19 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Morning Everyone,

 As you might know, the 2013 conference will be in Lincoln, organised by the
 Conference Committee with support from the office.

 With the venue chosen, we now need to figure out an exciting programme. A
 lot of this is in the planning stage and we will be releasing more
 information later, however one of the first thing we need to do is figure
 out some keynote speakers.

 Later in the year we will be calling for papers and speakers from within the
 community, right now we are focusing on finding one or two big names who
 have something relevant to say.

 As this is your concert we need to know who you want to hear from!

 It could be anyone; from celerities, to politicians, to activists. We're
 looking for intriguing suggestions, people with a unique perspective.

 Some initial suggestions have been made, please please do suggest further
 ideas here on the mailing list, by emailing myself or posting on this page:
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2013/Speakers

 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers

[HJ Mitchell]

Those and Grade II listings are not usually considered notable, whereas 
Scheduled Monuments, Grade Is, and Grade II*s are. It's unlikely that a photo 
of the house the local priest used to live in (which is a fairly typical 
example of a locally listed building) would be of much use. 
 
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 From: Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 19:47
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers
 

On 16/01/13 17:14, HJ Mitchell wrote:

Indeed (I'm responsible for the Grade Is, Grade II*s and Scheduled Monuments in 
Coventry). I was under the impression that some of the Grade Is by county were 
created by a bot or script, but (not knowing much about such things), I imagine 
it would be reasonably easy to import English Heritage's lists by bot.  
 
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And what of local listings (by local authorities)?

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[Wikimediauk-l] Meetup in the East Midlands

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi folks,

I've been keen to establish a meetup in the East Midlands for a while (the only 
one anywhere in the Midlands at the moment is in Coventry), and since we're 
holding WikiConference UK 2013 in Lincoln, now would seem like the time to get 
something going.

To that end, I'm looking for some input. I'm considering putting it in Derby, 
Nottingham, or Lincoln (Derby because it has the best transport links, 
Nottingham because it's the biggest city in the region, and Lincoln because 
that's where the AGM is; I ruled out Leicester due to its proximity to 
Coventry), so if you would consider coming to a meetup in this area and you 
have a preference for any of those three cities, I want to hear it. :)

Thanks, 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Revising the 2013-14 plan

[HJ Mitchell]

Out of interest, were any of the comments at 
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2013_Activity_Plan/Ideas taken into consideration 
in the drafting of this? Obviously not all suggestions could be implemented 
(finite budget, hours in the day, etc), but it would be nice to see some 
followup so that those who made suggestion feel like they actually contributed 
something. I don't think any were completely insane (though some perhaps 
impractical).  
 
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 From: Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: Wikimedia UK lists wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Cc: office off...@wikimedia.org.uk 
Sent: Monday, 10 December 2012, 9:17
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Revising the 2013-14 plan
 

Dear community,

For those of you who have been following these things you will know that our 
budget for next year is likely to be a little over £700K following the grant 
decision of the Foundation's Funds Dissemination committee.

The board discussed this in November and I was asked to produce a revised 
programme.  The trustees have been looking at this revision and now seeks 
community input.

Email me directly if you have any queries.

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2013_Revised_activity_plan

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Verifying membership applications - Suggestions and comments

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_probability

We get enough of that from the board, thanks Gordon.

 
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To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012, 14:12
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Verifying membership applications - Suggestions 
and comments
 
On 22/11/12 12:05, Katherine Bavage wrote:

 How do we feel about Jon's suggestion of confirming address?




Suppose a group with funds wish to influence a body. They pay for the 
membership fees (and a little on the side for goodwill).

All these schemes will not uncover that scam.

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK October report - contributions wanted

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Indeed. Delivery is relatively easy - there are several bots on various wikis 
already dedicated to delivering various newsletters.

What I'd really like to see is a newsletter for the UK community and not just 
the chapter, which the current reports cover to an extent. Having such a 
newsletter delivered in a Signpost-style format every month could go a long way 
towards getting more people involved and increasing the profile/understanding 
of the chapter among the editing communities.  
 
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 From: joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sw...@hotmail.co.uk
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012, 0:39
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK October report - contributions wanted
 

 
I this thats a very good idea :) 

Its simple enough that even I could set up something to do that and if there is 
a desire to I would be happy to do the delivery.

Seddon
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 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:43:50 +
 From: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com
 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK October report -
   contributions   wanted
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 On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Charles Matthews 
 charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 
  I was going to wait for other views. But the underlying, fundamental
  need is to have a vehicle for growing the involved UK community.
  Inviting brainstorming from this list misses that point, in my view.
  Those who are prepared to wade through the threads on this list are
  probably already quite involved. :Likewise those who are active on the
  GLAM front. The crying need is to get beyond preaching to the
  converted
 
 
 
 Would it be feasible to deliver a WMUK newsletter the way the Signpost is
 delivered, i.e. to subscribers' talk pages in Wikipedia (and perhaps other
 projects)?
 
 The WMUK website and mailing list are a bit of a walled garden. Visibility
 of a WMUK newsletter on talk pages in Wikipedia and other projects might
 get new people involved.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] PR industry blames 'cumbersome' Wikipedia (Andreas Kolbe)

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More OTRS agents would certainly help (any experienced Wikpedians, please do go 
to meta:OTRS/volunteering if you can help). But lack of agents isn't the only 
problem with OTRS. We're inundated (and that's not an exaggeration) with emails 
we can't do anything about.

Many people email us with issues that can easily be resolved on-wiki or don't 
realise that OTRS agents don't have superpowers and can't intervene in 
disputes. We get rants, chain letters, and plain old spam (because the email 
addresses are plastered all over the Internet). We get emails that we *can* 
help with but end up taking up a lot of our time (I have a ticket that's been 
open for over a year and I still get regular emails from the client). We get 
all sorts of general enquires, feedback, and other things that probably should 
go elsehwhere. It adds up to thousands of tickets a week. Try finding the 
urgent BLP complaints amongst that lot, bearing in mind that OTRS agents are 
volunteers and that we have other commitments on Wikipedia, not to mention in 
real life.

I don't have a proposed solution, I'm just trying to let people knowwhat we're 
up against.

So Andreas' suggestion of directing people to COIN makes a lot of sense 
 
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Cc: Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012, 15:48
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] PR industry blames 'cumbersome' Wikipedia (Andreas 
Kolbe)
 

Oh, that's much better - but the process still needs an overhaul :-(

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On 14 November 2012 15:25, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:

Richard: a slight correction, the processes for obtaining OTRS access have 
changed - I think in 2009/2010. 


Instead of the full 'identification' to the WMF (where you send in a copy of 
your ID to prove you're 18), OTRS access only requires you to send an email 
with your full real name and age (OTRS access can be given to people 16) to 
the OTRS admins.


If people aren't required to send their full identification documents perhaps 
that could reduce that stumbling block slightly?


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wrote:


For what it's worth, my opinion (as some who has had access to a fair few OTRS 
queues for a fair number of years) is that we need more OTRS volunteers. Lots 
more. At the moment, Wikimedia UK has about a dozen semi-active volunteers for 
its queue, and we have reasonable response times (48 hours ish). I'm not sure 
how many the WMF has for the global queues, but to answer every email within, 
say, 48 hours, would require (in my opinion) at least several hundred 
volunteers, with several dozen being active daily.


Wikimedia UK did run an OTRS workshop, which was useful, but it turned into 
more of an OTRS planning weekend, with only a few new people trained to use 
OTRS. It's a very slow way of training people - it's not just the OTRS 
software, but customer service skills which are needed. Most Wikipedians 
can't reliably answer emails from OTRS because they don't have the needed 
levels of WIkipedia experience, OTRS system experience, and customer service 
experience. There's the added (necessary) stumbling block of identifying to 
the WMF.


radicalthinking
Perhaps OTRS access to the English Wikipedia courtesy queue could be given to 
English Wikipedia admins who are willing to identify to the WMF? That would 
free up the experienced OTRS agents to handle the more important 'quality' 
queue. /radicalthinking

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Main page

[HJ Mitchell]

Something seems to gone wrong with Stevie's edit, though I'm not sure what. 
Reverting it has got rid of the weird line break, so I suggest trying it again 
and using preview to see if we can narrow down what caused the problem.

 
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 From: Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012, 16:54
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Main page
 

Does anyone know why the main page 
(http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) 'latest news' section is showing as 
though there's an extra line break before the title bar? 

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[Wikimediauk-l] Plea fr comments on WikiConference 2013 venue

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Hi folks. 

If you have an opinion on whether WikiConference UK 2013 should be held in 
Lincoln or Manchester, please comment 
at https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WikiConference_UK_2013/Venue by Friday 9 
November. 

Thanks,
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Digest of board decisions regarding Monmouth, Gibraltar and QR codes

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Sorry, Jon, but if you'd put it on the wiki, it wouldn't have been (as much of) 
an issue, because people can and will edit it. It's also more public and 
doesn't require digging a URL out of an archive if somebody wanted to read it 
in the future (I'm assuming transparency was the aim of creating the document).
 
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 From: Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 17:11
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Digest of board decisions regarding Monmouth, 
Gibraltar and QR codes
 

Sorry Deryck . My mistake in sharing a document that was simply a list of where 
QR codes, MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA were mentioned in board minutes. One 
person has a very strong objection and since it is all public anyway and 
accessible through the board minutes I responded to that person's honest 
objections by withdrawing what is an incomplete document.

Hope I haven't spoiled your evening.

Well done on the Cambridge event.

Jon

Back to wikihell.



On 25 October 2012 16:41, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

Jon,

You need permission to access this item.
You are signed in as deryckc...@gmail.com, but you don't have permission to 
access this item.  You can request access from the owner or choose a different 
account.

This I call evil and should burn in wikihell ;)
Deryck


On 25 October 2012 13:07, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13Latat1Ri4n4RwhGM2-smUVLvaHxkYuvRd6kPDWTbGU/edit

A community member suggested I share this link with you.

I thought it would be a useful idea to highlight exactly what happened in 
WMUK board and exec meetings regarding the issues around MonmouthpediA, 
GiibraltarpediA and QR codes so had this analysis made. If anyone spots 
ommisions please let Richard Symonds know. (I am on hols from Friday 
lunchtime)

All this is of course available on the minutes on the wiki but it may be 
helpful.

Jon

P.S. Yes I know it is a google doc.  I am evil and will be punished in 
wikihell. 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Digest of board decisions regarding Monmouth, Gibraltar and QR codes

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No. I'm not sure what gave you that impression, but I apologise if I was 
ambiguous. I don't know any more than you do.
 
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 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com; UK Wikimedia mailing list 
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 18:10
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Digest of board decisions regarding Monmouth, 
Gibraltar and QR codes
 
On 25 October 2012 17:47, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
 Sorry, Jon, but if you'd put it on the wiki, it wouldn't have been (as much
 of) an issue, because people can and will edit it. It's also more public and
 doesn't require digging a URL out of an archive if somebody wanted to read
 it in the future (I'm assuming transparency was the aim of creating the
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.

[HJ Mitchell]

What Tom said. Also, these meetups are often of interest to peopld further 
afield, and perhaps they might inspire somebody to set one up in their neck of 
the woods if there isn't one near them.

 
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 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 13:24
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
 
On 16 October 2012 13:14, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
 On 16 October 2012 10:21, Charles Matthews
 charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 While we're on the topic: could someone add in the Cambridge meetup to
 the current notice? Charles

 Done.

 (Still not sure if we should have this one national-level notice, or
 if we should try much more targeted ones - London area, Cambridge
 area, Manchester area, etc. Hmm.)

It is very difficult to accurately identify geographic locations
within the UK. IP addresses are generally assigned from an ISPs pool
which they use nationwide, so they just identify to wherever the ISP
is based.

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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikiconference UK 2013 - comments please

[HJ Mitchell]

The Conference Committee is seeking community input on the final decision for 
the location for the 2013 AGM. Two venues have been shortlisted - Lincoln 
College (in Lincoln) and The Lowry (Manchester).

I have set up https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2013/Venue, which 
gives all the information about the two venues that can be published. Please 
have a look at it and offer your thoughts on the talk page - we have set aside 
two to three weeks for discussion. We will recommend a venue to the board in 
time for the next board meeting (17 November). In the event that there is no 
consensus, the Conference Committee will make the final decision, but we would 
prefer the decision to be made by the community.

Sincerely,
 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.

[HJ Mitchell]

Geonotices are known for being... temperamental. The MediaWiki page is very 
fragile and a single character out of place can break it, and obviously the 
database is imperfect. They work pretty well, but they're not 100% reliable, so 
cases like this aren't unheard of.
 
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 From: Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 15:43
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geonotices.
 


Yes, most kludges need that level of TLC.

Gordo


On 15/10/12 15:23, Richard Symonds wrote:

Sometimes all it needs is a reboot and a good hard kick... 

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The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate 
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On 15 October 2012 14:57, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:



Fixed. I restarted my BT equipment, got a brand new IP
address, and it works...

Huzzah! 


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation

[HJ Mitchell]

I'm still not offering an opinion, merely playing devil's advocate, but it is 
possible that the WMF stripped WMUK of its fundraising rights (note 
fund*raising*, which is not quite the same thing as being trusted with funds) 
because they felt that donors might not want to donate to an organisation that 
has been subject to two unfortunately timed controversies which many people 
feel (and I make no comment on the legitimacy or otherwise of the sentiment) 
that the chapter has not handled well.

Not being privy to the thoughts of WMF/WMUK representatives nor to the 
discussions that took place around this, I don't know any more details than are 
contained in the blog post, but (and I'm no real fan of the WMF) I suspect the 
issue is a little more complicated than a power grab.  
 
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 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2012, 17:20
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation
 

Jan-Bart,
The problems at Wikimedia UK, while certainly very concerning, haven't involved 
any misuse of funds, so it is very disappointing that the WMF has used this as 
an excuse to stop Wikimedia UK taking part in the fundraiser. This decision 
will cost the movement a lot in wasted time and money spent preparing for this 
fundraiser and in lost donations and gift-aid.
You could have waited for the independent report before making any decisions, 
since there is no reason to believe Wikimedia UK can't be trusted with funds 
(and their eligibility for the FDC hasn't been revoked, so clearly the WMF does 
trust them with funds).
On Sep 29, 2012 5:09 PM, Jan-bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote:

Hi David,

I do assume that people have been following the payment processing discussion 
but I also assumed that they would find these developments important enough to 
see that there is no way we can just move on from this point.

I repeat my statement which I made at Wikimania: I am very happy that the 
chapters are moving towards a Chapters Association which will hopefully play a 
very constructive role in situations like this. I am disappointed that the 
Association isn't farther along the road because that could have been very 
helpful at this point. The chapters are an essential part of the movement and 
if the foundation is forced into this kind of relationship with chapters all 
the time it will keep us achieving our goals and working together 
constructively.

Jan-Bart de Vreede



On 29 sep. 2012, at 17:57, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 29 September 2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org 
 wrote:

 What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume bad
 faith on the part of the WMF.


 I find it puzzling that you assume that people aren't generally aware
 of the long and acrimonous discussions of payment processing over the
 past year, and quite surprised that you are puzzled that people put
 this in the context of that.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry

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I'm sure this isn't your fault, Hasina, but this is something that's getting on 
my nerves, and those of other volunteers. We have an expenses policy 
(http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012#Reimbursement_of_Expenses), 
which specifies when the chapter will cover expenses and what expenses they 
will cover. For people to start applying their own, contradictory policies is 
only going to confuse matters and is likely to lead to the kind of confusion 
that the office was (at least in part) established to prevent.

If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should 
be applied to every case.
 
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 From: Hasina Khatun hasina.kha...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 14:12
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry
 

Dear Wikimedians,
Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on 19 
October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp  aims to 
encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations and 
academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help shape the 
future of Coventry. 

This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21 
October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a 
slot to speak on theFriday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone is free 
and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please let us know 
as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible about sharing 
knowledge. 
 
We could be able to cover your travel, but not the accommodation, so this might 
be an ideal opportunity for a person based locally. Please let me know if your 
are free to attend the whole weekend or just to go and speak. I will be looking 
forward to hearing back from you.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

[HJ Mitchell]

Very well said.

This is an important issue, and it's quite right for the members to discuss it, 
but they could do so in a way that smacks slightly less of a vendetta. And if 
the campaign to force Roger to stand down succeeds, we will rapidly find 
ourselves with an alarmingly small board.

For my personal two cents, it appears to me that Roger is being paid for 
volunteer coordination and project management. If I'm honest, I'm not entirely 
comfortable with the situation, but we all have to make a living. Sadly, 
altruism doesn't put food on the table or a roof over one's head. 
 
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 From: Nicholas Jackson dr.nicholas.jack...@gmail.com
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012, 15:43
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin
 

On 19 September 2012 14:13, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

I would ask that you resign from the board.

Perhaps it's not my place to say this, but here goes anyway. I've edited 
Wikipedia articles on and off for a few years, but after attending a couple of 
absolutely splendid local outreach events I was inspired to actually join the 
UK chapter and subscribe to this mailing list.

In the two or three months I've been lurking here, I've witnessed two campaigns 
for board members to resign, and I have to say I'm beginning to wonder quite 
what sort of organisation I've joined.  I know almost nothing about the 
background to either of these cases, and to be honest I don't really think I 
want to know.  Maybe the critics do have a point, after all.  Certainly the 
trustees of a charity should behave with decorum and integrity, so I wouldn't 
want to gainsay any legitimate attempts to hold them to account.  But it seems  
that all the necessary information was made available to the voting members 
well before the election, and they collectively decided that they'd still 
rather elect these people to the board.  So in the absence of compelling 
further evidence, which this doesn't appear to be, I'd have thought that's that 
until the next election.

I'm on the board of a small educational charity myself, and I'm very glad that 
I and my fellow trustees don't have to put up with constant sniping from the 
sidelines, calls for our resignation, or suspiciously-timed articles appearing 
in the national press.  If we did, I'd almost certainly just say to hell with 
it, and walk away.

I suppose my question is: does this sort of politicking actually serve the aims 
of Wikimedia UK at all, and if not could it perhaps stop soon?  It just seems 
as though all this infighting does far more damage to the reputation of the 
chapter than the fact that one of the trustees was temporarily banned, under 
somewhat questionable circumstances, from editing Wikipedia, or that one of the 
other trustees might have got a handful of free leaflets in connection with a 
pretty cool-sounding outreach initiative he's working on.

Anyway, if you'll excuse me, I've got a stack of other things to do this 
afternoon so I'm going to get back to them.

    Nicholas


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[Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference UK 2013 - call for venue proposals/quotes

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi all, 

The Conference Committee is taking the lead on WikiConference UK 2013 (aka the 
AGM). If you know of a suitable venue that has capacity for 100 people and 
(ideally) breakout rooms, we would ask that you approach them for a provisional 
quote, and then pass information about the quote and the venue to the 
Conference Committee at conference-committe...@wikimedia.org.uk.

The date for the conference is 8 June 2013. Please have quotes submitted by 23 
September (2012) so that they can be considered at the next ConfCom meeting.

Thanks,
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Falklands

[HJ Mitchell]

Well there's an idea for the 2013 activity plan! A couple of C-130s and some 
parachutes...
 
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 From: Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012, 12:45
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Falklands
 

The list of monuments 
at http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Monumentos_de_la_Provincia_de_Tierra_del_Fuego,_Ant%C3%A1rtida_e_Islas_del_Atl%C3%A1ntico_Sur -
 includes Port Darwin, Fox Bay, Goose Green, Stanley, Pebble Island, and a few 
more. I think it's been imported straight from the Argentine national registry, 
which of course assumes that the Falklands are Argentine.

I don't think it's intentional, and I don't have an issue with Argentinian 
Wikipedians taking pictures, obviously - we're all friends - but it'd be quite 
easy for an unscrupulous individual to turn WLM into a political issue. Just 
something to be aware of, I think.


Richard Symonds




On 21 August 2012 08:30, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:

:


Has anyone else noticed that the Falkland Islands are participating in Wiki 
Loves Monuments this year, but as part of Wikimedia Argentina?
I hadn't - what makes you think they are?

Chris 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an Editathon - 18 August, London

[HJ Mitchell]

How many Mozilla folk are we expecting? I might come down if it would be useful 
but if there aren't many, I'm not sure it would be worthwhile.
 
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To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2012, 1:56
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an 
Editathon - 18 August, London
 

 
There don't seem to be that many Mozillians to teach..

Seddon




From: daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:25:39 +0100
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an  
Editathon - 18 August, London

Dear All, 

Just a reminder about the Mozilla-related Editahton we are having on 
Saturday 18 August, starting at 12PM at the Mozilla offices (London WC2N 4AZ). 

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Editathon 

Please feel free to come for a chance to update the Mozilla related information 
on Wikipedia, teach Mozillians about editing, and see their great office. 

Best wishes, 

Daria



On 30 July 2012 09:45, Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

Dear All, 


Mozilla UK has been supportive to Wikimedia UK and since they opened their 
Mozilla Spaces venue, they were keen that we use it needed for events. What we 
realised is that some of the articles relating to Mozilla, Firefox etc. in 
Wikipedia are not quite of the high standard they could be. And so we thought 
it would be a neighbourly thing to do to have a Mozilla-related Editahton - 
the aim would be to turn a list of about 15 Mozilla-related articles into 
content perhaps worthy of being a Good Article. 

The sprint will be on Saturday 18 August, starting at 12PM at the Mozilla 
offices (London WC2N 4AZ). Lunch and snacks will be provided, as will Mozilla 
people who can be consulted regarding good sources for information. Do come 
along and help our our free culture colleagues :-)


For more info and to sign up please 
visit http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Editathon
You can also email me with any questions. 


Many thanks, 
Daria
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of this list and its archives

[HJ Mitchell]

It is disingenuous to suggest that, in posting to a *public* mailing list, the 
risk that your post will be public is not clear.

I think it's a shame that a trustee doesn't wish to be subscribe to the mailing 
list that is the primary method of communication between WMUK and the UK 
Wikimedia community and of discussion amongst the UK community, and I honestly 
think that such a refusal to engage with the community would hamper one's 
effectiveness as a trustee.

I applaud and thank the list admins for finally restoring this list to public 
status - we shouldn't be seen to be discussing things behind closed doors, not 
least because it goes against the very principles of openness on which the 
Wikimedia projects and Wikimedia UK were founded, and there was a consensus to 
do so some considerable time ago.
 
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 From: Fae fae...@gmail.com
To: James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com 
Cc: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2012, 22:28
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of this list and its archives
 
Thanks James. In light of this I'll unsubscribe from this list until
such a time as the risks for new subscribers are made completely clear
on joining. I will recommend the chapter considers it's stance on
whether the list can be recommended as a service for members.

Fae

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Business cards

[HJ Mitchell]

Of course not. This typifies the doomsday mentality that seems to paralyse the 
board when it comes to delegating anything or to anyone who isn't a trustee 
representing (or even being seen to possibly represent) the chapter.
 
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 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012, 22:43
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Business cards
 
On 11 August 2012 22:22, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 As I understand it, the main issue surrounds how the titles on these business 
 cards interact with our liability insurance, since having specific titles 
 increases the risk of volunteers being viewed as being staff members and 
 hence us being more liable for their actions.

That doesn't make sense to me... being considered staff would
generally give them greater protection under the insurance, which is a
good thing. Whether you are a liable for their actions or not has
nothing to do with insurance... Can you give an example of a situation
where this would come up?

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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Takes Coventry - 1 September

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi folks,

As some of you may know, we're holding a photo contest in Coventry on 1 
September. The aim is to capture good-quality, freely licensed photographs of 
every significant building or place in the city, and thus show a side to 
Coventry other than the concrete jungle most people envisage. 

The event is free and all are welcome (Wikimedians and non-Wikimedians alike), 
so by all means bring friends and family. For more information, please 
see http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Coventry.
 
Any questions, feel free to email me (on- or off-list) or get in touch via the 
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I hope to see many of you there, 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Business cards

[HJ Mitchell]

How is it an effective use of the charity's resources to effectively duplicate 
perfectly good business cards, and then to spend money on postage to get said 
perfectly good cards back, then spend yet more money on postage to send the new 
ones out?

Where is the logic in this, and why is it being done at the insistence of a 
single trustee? I'm sick of board members making mountains out of molehills and 
then vetoing decisions. 
 
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 From: Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: 
Cc: Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012, 14:12
Subject: Business cards
 

All,

I'm afraid there's a problem with the business cards: one of the board has 
objected to the titles on the cards. I'm afraid I need to recall the cards 
you've been sent, and issue you new ones... Could you pop them in the post to 
FREEPOST WIKIPEDIA please? I'll have new ones in the post to you inside a week.

A bit of a pain, but it's important to keep everyone happy. Like I said, I 
should have new ones to you in a week or so. 

Richard Symonds
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

[HJ Mitchell]

+1. Shit or get off the pot.
 
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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 20:48
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.
 
On 6 August 2012 20:45, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees.
 So, for example, Trustees expenses will be recorded with the Charity
 Commission annually.

 The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about
 Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair
 for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard.
 As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from
 projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no
 rules have been broken.

 Wikimedia UK is a very young charity. Soon, let us all hope, it will become
 a teenager.

Do you have a point? We certainly have problems, but vague aimless
emails like this aren't going to solve them...

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[Wikimediauk-l] Last-minute reminder: Coventry meetup on Sunday

[HJ Mitchell]

Hi folks,

In the rare few minutes that I'm borrowing a working laptop, I'd like to remind 
you all of the Coventry meetup, which is being held in the Litten Tree in 
Coventry city centre this coming Sunday (5 August) from 13:00 onwards. 

Coventry is nice and easy to get to in the car or on public transport, so if 
you're free on Sunday, please do come along! 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[HJ Mitchell]

Tom, you know I respect your opinion, but I think you're trying to read more 
into the board's statement than is there and you're misinterpreting it in a way 
that supports your view.

The issues surrounding Fae on enwiki were well known at the time of the AGM, 
and the membership re-elected Fae by a healthy margin. It is disingenuous to 
pretend that the issues were significantly less mature at the AGM than they 
were days later when the arbitration case in question (the second on the issue 
- of which the first was declined) was filed.

It is not within the remit of the board to investigate half-baked allegations 
of on-wiki misconduct, especially when nobody making the allegations appears 
(and do correct me if I've missed something) to have substantiated them with 
conclusive evidence. Nor is it within its remit to determine what sort of 
editing instruction Fae can undertake. He can ask for help if he's running an 
event that requires editing, and if the line between training and proxying for 
a banned user, he can seek clarification from ArbCom or the community.
 

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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 8:23
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van 
Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK
 

The Board points out that the editing issues were fully public before, and 
during, the recent elections to the board, and were openly and publicly 
discussed. Our membership placed their trust in him by electing him as a 
Trustee. He was then elected unanimously as Chair of the Board. He continues to 
have the full support of the Board.



Just to be clear; is the board here admitting knowledge of Fae's problematic 
behaviour prior to the election?

Why was this not investigated or mentioned at that point?

What about the problematic editing history post-election which is what 
ultimately led to the Arbcom case?

Did the board, as I suggested, consider looking into the copyright allegations 
- which are clearly of great pertinence to e.g. GLAM  WMUK.

Did the board discuss, and adopt a stance, in relation to how Fae would be able 
to function when in situations where people were editing Wikipedia (i.e. 
obviously he cannot participate or assist anyone in doing so).

Unfortunately, although I admire the support you have shown him, I can't help 
feeling that there is more of a knee jerk gathering of the caravans here, 
rather than the full, frank independent investigation I suggested.

Tom
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[HJ Mitchell]

Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity etc, I 
think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with merchandise) 
over the projects which the chapter exists to support.

Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most successful 
project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most desirable and 
attention-grabbing merchandise.
 
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 From: Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: off...@wikimedia.org.uk; UK Wikimedia mailing list 
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 12:15
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise
 

Dear All, 

I am planning on ordering Wikimedia UK branded lanyards, polo shirts and 
notepads to be used at events. If you would like to send across any ideas 
concerning the design of these, then please do send them here - ideally by 3 
August. 

Polo shirts:
- These would be stitched on, so the smaller design the better. I have seen a 
couple of chapters having the polo shirts with just the Wikimedia... logo in 
the upper left corner, and that looked quite professional. 

As for the lanyard:
- 4 colour print on one side
- Another option would be to only use one colour, which is much cheaper

As for the notebook, a cost effective way would be to have:
- A5 Wirebound Book with 350gsm Card Cover
- Cover  printed 4 colour (allowing for Wikimedia UK logo)
-  50 insert sheets printed 1 colour both sides

The bigger quantity I order,  the cheaper the items get, so it is best if the 
merchandise designed is of general character and not geared towards a specific 
event. 


I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts. You can also jot them down here 

Many thanks, 
Daria
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and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered 
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. 
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. 
The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate 
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise

[HJ Mitchell]

A reputation for the chapter is only a means to an end, and that end should be 
to promote and support the widest possible public access to, use of and 
contribution to Open Content of an encyclopaedic or educational nature or of 
similar utility to the general public, in particular the Open Content supported 
and provided by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. but in the majority of 
circumstances I really don't think it matters if people have never heard of 
WMUK, because we  can fulfil our charitable objectives without the chapter 
being well known in its own right.
 
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 From: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 14:02
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK merchandise
 

Hello all,

I hope my comment doesn't count as an influx ;-)

I think it's sensible to have co-branding where possible. We do need to promote 
ourselves as a chapter as much as the projects, in some ways. 

The mugs that David mentioned (we still have some left if anyone would like 
one!) are a really good example of this.

Thanks,

Stevie


On 27 July 2012 13:59, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

On 27 July 2012 13:57, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 Without wishing to prompt an influx of comments about visual identity etc, I
 think we should be wary of promoting the chapter (not just with merchandise)
 over the projects which the chapter exists to support.
 Wikipedia is a much more recognisable brand and the largest and most
 successful project WMUK supports and thus (imo) makes for the most desirable
 and attention-grabbing merchandise.


We should consider that this isn't merchandise for sale, but giveaway
swag - chapters can't sell merchandise (yet), just give it away. (Go
visit WMUK and get away without a coffee mug.)


- d.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[HJ Mitchell]

As far as I'm concerned, there is no issue with the chair being banned, 
particularly by a body that has strayed so far from its remit as the enwiki 
ArbCom.

That committee levelled (or regurgitated) a series of allegations against Fae, 
and when it was pointed out that most of those either couldn't be proven or 
were outside of ArbCom's remit, they watered down the wording but not the 
sanction.

I am not about to pretend I always agree with Fae, nor defend everything he has 
done, but I would ask that those calling for his head remember that he was 
comfortably elected as a trustee at the last AGM, unanimously elected chair by 
his fellow trustees, and uncontroversially (despite the best efforts of a small 
number of trolls to engineer a controversy after the fact) elected chair of the 
WCA. All while the issues surrounding Fae on enwiki were going on, and the last 
days before the conclusion of the arbitration case (read: show trial).

It would be a grave error for the WMUK board to allow its decision making to be 
dictated by the whims and fancies of ArbCom.

Fae has my full support, for whatever it may be worth, to remain as a trustee 
and as chair. 
 
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 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2012, 12:15
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair
 
On 26 July 2012 09:17, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 And to put this in a human context the board is without a chair on this
 issue as Fae is, quite properly, staying out of the discussions. This is
 making reaching a consensus quite time consuming.

Then, rather obviously, they need to appoint a temporary chair for
this discussion... I shouldn't need to point that out...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WTM] Updated Fri July 6 NYC itinerary

[HJ Mitchell]

My profuse apologies for cross-posting, especially to those of you who aren't 
in New York.

However, I have now arrived at HI New York (room 414). Is anybody about? If so, 
do come say hi. If not, directions on where to meet eeryone and ow to spot them 
would be greatly appreciated. :)
 
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 From: Shujen Chang i...@blue.cat
To: wikimania-takes-manhat...@googlegroups.com 
wikimania-takes-manhat...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, 6 July 2012, 12:37
Subject: Re: [WTM] Updated Fri July 6 NYC itinerary
 

Should anyone in HI wanna gather at the lobby first at 10:00AM or 10:30AM?

On Friday, July 6, 2012, Pharos  wrote:

Reminder about Friday's two main NYC meetup points:

At 11am, we meet at the planetarium entrance of the American Museum of
Natural History.

At 5pm, we meet in the lobby of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

See details below.

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here is the updated NYC itinerary for Friday July 6, note especially
 that the meetup entrance at the American Museum of Natural History has
 been changed:

 ***11am meetup*** at American Museum of Natural History - Rose Center
 Planetarium Entrance (81st St. between Central Park West and Columbus
 Ave.) - note meetup entrance has been changed - this one is the
 planetarium with the giant sphere in the glass box building.  We will
 be getting complimentary admission to the museum, special exhibits and
 also the great planetarium show if people want to see that.

 After AMNH, Manhattan ramble and Central Park stroll until the Met.

 ***5pm meetup*** at Metropolitan Museum of Art lobby (Fifth Avenue at
 82nd St.).  The Met is pay-what-you-wish.

 After the Met, eating/drinking, perhaps Harlem and Columbia University.

 Thanks,
 Richard
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] open access ethos of Wikimedia UK

[HJ Mitchell]

My understanding (the people to ask would be Martin and Jon, but this is my 
understanding in the interim), is that there was one document - designed to 
evaluate learning styles and divide participants into  four categories - which 
they used, but for which the copyright belonged to a third party.

I was under the impression that all the training materials themselves were to 
be released under the CC-By-SA license. 
 

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 From: fab...@unpopular.org.uk fab...@unpopular.org.uk
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012, 22:47
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] open access ethos of Wikimedia UK
 
Hi all,

I would like to know what other people understand as the open access
ethos of Wikimedia UK. The reason I ask is that I have been informed that
Midas - who are delivering the Training for Trainers programme - have been
arguing that as they chose to use a process which was not written for
WMUK, some of their material is not available under a CC license. They
have suggested that WMUK pay an additional fee which they are happy to
quote for.

As the initial tender specified An agreement that the training materials
produced will be open access under a CC-BY-SA licence I do not really
understand how Midas chose to use non CC material in the process for
delivering their course. At first glance it would seem that this is not in
compliance with the temrs of the tender.

I must admit that I find Open access and open content as being quite
fundamental to Wikipedia, the sister projects and WMUK. This is whaqt I
understand by Supporting Free and Open Knowledge. I personally have a
strong commitment to developing Open Educational Resources and was
particularly looking forward to the Eduwiki conference which has this as
one of its themes.

In this context, I don't really understand why WMUK is having difficulty
in making sure that its own training programme sits comfortably into the
CC framework. I would welcome any comments which would help explain this?

all the best

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] open access ethos of Wikimedia UK

[HJ Mitchell]

Tom, there is a copy on the office wiki, and a copy was sent to each panel 
member (Jon,Martin, and myself). It's not my place to share the contents with 
you, but you can ask Jon or Martin if you feel strongly.

Having refreshed my memory, Midas' bid stated that the handouts they used 
during the training sessions would be CC-By-SA. It will come as no surprise to 
those who know me well that I can't lay my hands on the handouts at this 
particular moment, but if anybody would like to see them, I have them somewhere.

The questionnaire I referred to in my previous email is the Honey and Mumford 
Learning Styles questionnaire, which is copyrighted by a third party. 
 

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 From: HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012, 22:56
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] open access ethos of Wikimedia UK
 

My understanding (the people to ask would be Martin and Jon, but this is my 
understanding in the interim), is that there was one document - designed to 
evaluate learning styles and divide participants into  four categories - which 
they used, but for which the copyright belonged to a third party.

I was under the impression that all the training materials themselves were to 
be released under the CC-By-SA license. 
 

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 From: fab...@unpopular.org.uk fab...@unpopular.org.uk
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012, 22:47
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] open access ethos of Wikimedia UK
 
Hi all,

I would like to know what other people understand as the open access
ethos of Wikimedia UK. The reason I ask is that I have
 been informed that
Midas - who are delivering the Training for Trainers programme - have been
arguing that as they chose to use a process which was not written for
WMUK, some of their material is not available under a CC license. They
have suggested that WMUK pay an additional fee which they are happy to
quote for.

As the initial tender specified An agreement that the training materials
produced will be open access under a CC-BY-SA licence I do not really
understand how Midas chose to use non CC material in the process for
delivering their course. At first glance it would seem that this is not in
compliance with the temrs of the tender.

I must admit that I find Open access and open content as being quite
fundamental to Wikipedia, the sister projects and WMUK. This is whaqt I
understand by Supporting Free and Open Knowledge. I personally have a
strong commitment to developing Open Educational
 Resources and was
particularly looking forward to the Eduwiki conference which has this as
one of its themes.

In this context, I don't really understand why WMUK is having difficulty
in making sure that its own training programme sits comfortably into the
CC framework. I would welcome any comments which would help explain this?

all the best

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request: GLAM speaker at LGBTI ALMS // The Future of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans Histories

[HJ Mitchell]

Is the conference in English?  
 

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Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 17:12
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Request: GLAM speaker at LGBTI ALMS // The Future of 
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans Histories
 
The international gay and lesbian archives, museum, and library
conference (LGBTI ALMS 2012) will be taking place 1-3 August in
Amsterdam. The organizer has been looking to invite a speaker for the
conference from our community. She's interested in Wikipedia, but also
issues of crowdsourcing and open content more generally. The official
deadline is passed, but if anyone feels they could provide an good
quality talk relating to our GLAM programme, of interest to this
audience, and potentially represent Wikimedia UK at the same time,
sent me an email and I can pass on your contact details.

* Link: 
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Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK Business Cards

[HJ Mitchell]

It hasn't been common practice thus far, but that's more due to risk aversion 
on the part of the WMUK board than anything culturally to do with the country. 
I'll spare you all my opinions on that subject; suffice to say I'm pleased to 
see it changing. Very much a step in the right direction.
 

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 From: Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 22:01
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK Business Cards
 

Am thrilled to see that WMUK is recognising its non-board member-volunteers in 
a tangible way!
(I've got business cards from WMHK for a while now and some of you have seen 
them - for a long time I thought giving regular volunteers official business 
cards isn't common practice in this country... maybe it still isn't)
Deryck
On Jun 21, 2012 5:25 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk 
wrote:

All,


I'm currently organising business cards for interested (and active!) 
volunteers. If you're interested, please let me know privately 
(off-list) within the next day or two. I need to get these cards sorted out 
ASAP - if you're interested I'll need your username, your phone number (if you 
want it on there), an email address (if you want one on there) and anything 
else you think relevant. It'd also be nice to know what you'd consider 
yourself as (eg GLAM Volunteer). I might need to tweak these titles a 
little, but not too much.


I'll also need a brief explanation of why it's important for you to have them 
- nothing big, just a sentence or two, something like I do a lot of GLAM 
Outreach with museums in the York area, and would like the cards to appear 
more professional when doing projects or I speak fluent Cornish and would 
like to be able to approach Cornish organisations in a semi-official basis. 


The cards will comply with WMF Visual Identity guidelines, will be 
professional-looking, will be funded by WMUK. We'll keep track of who has them 
in the office - which means you'll need to be a chapter member, or at the very 
least well-known to the chapter. They won't confer any official status on 
you, and you won't be able to sign agreements or similar on behalf of the 
chapter (obviously), but they will help you make those first vital inroads 
when talking to people from GLAMs.


I can think of 5 or 6 volunteers off the top of my head who could make good 
use of them. Let me know ASAP. I can't promise that we'll give them out to 
everyone, as I need board approval, and there needs to be a good business case 
for it, but I think the majority of the board and staff believe that active 
chapter members should be able to get support like this without too much 
hassle. 


All the best,

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer

[HJ Mitchell]

I may be wrong, but I suspect the idea is to aim high, hoping but not expecting 
that somebody will apply who meets all the criteria, and failing that, that 
we'll get somebody who meets most of the criteria and could pick up or be 
trained in the the skills they need.


Harry 



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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 14:51
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer
 

 there are even bigger images

correction: there are even bigger issues

(I said I was in a rush)

Tom


On 18 June 2012 14:49, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

Looking at the job description I have some concerns that it has been written 
without the input of someone experienced in hiring individuals for technical or 
pseudo-technical roles - especially in the current economic climate. 


You seem to be looking for someone extremely versatile, experienced 
and independent... on a very entry level salary packet.


I was under the impression, from previous discussions, that the developer 
position was to be contractor-style - or at least remote working in the region 
~10 hours a week.


As a developer, from the description page, I see the following roles:


* Developer
* Sysadmin
* Project manager
* Advocate


Four very distinct roles.


To pick on one specific issue; expecting this person to work on Mediwiki core, 
or an extension, is going to be problematic. That's a whole position on its 
own and you are going to find that ongoing other work will make project work 
of that sort untenable.


(speaking as someone who is in much this position at the moment; my project 
work is on hold pretty much all the time whilst clearing up management issues).


I worry that there is not a lot of work described in this job; or at least 
the responsibilities are bitty and ill-defined. You're risking having someone 
who will sit for long portions of the day drumming their fingers on the 
desk. (speaking as someone who was hired to do this once, and quit after 3 
months due to boredom). It would be good to define (internally, on the WMUK 
wiki) the roles this developer will have to fulfill and, from a 
technical perspective, what we'd like to achieve in, say, the next year.


The salary is most concerning though; you're looking for experience and 
versatility - two major technical skills (sysadmin and developer) plus 
management experience/skill - at a basic entry level rate. I think you will 
struggle to find competent applicants.


I'd fit, fairly well, this job description (and I think am pretty good at it) 
- and any London based job under £35K would struggle to tempt me. Under £30K 
is not even worth considering. (n.b. I'm not saying this because I'd plan to 
apply if you raised the salary :)). You;fe


What I recommend is hiring a more general community liaison (we need this 
anyway IMO), with experience in technical projects. They can do most of the PM 
style work. Then contract out specific projects (yes, including MW extension 
writing) as and when needed. Keep a contractor on retainer for sysadmin and 
internal dev work (~10 hours a week etc.).


Particularly as you have numerous skilled dev/sysadmin contractors within the 
community who will likely offer discounted rates. Building on the WMF model; 
with a competent project manager most of the dev/sysadmin work could be 
community driven. I've already offered to pitch in, but there is no public 
project to achieve this that I know of.


If we have a budget of £30K to go into development this is not enough to hire 
a full time developer/sysadmin/manager. It's enough to contract the work and 
to begin to build a volunteer centric development department.


Mike wrote an excellent starter to this 
here: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Developer_budget The current job 
description seems to be the opposite of many of those (good) proposals 
(although I know Mike also wrote the job description). If we take the list of 
upcoming requirements from that page there are even bigger images; it talks 
about a robust backup strategy - which is quite a specific set of experience. 
Even worse is the security review stuff - no dev/sysadmin you hire for £25K 
will be capable of a robust security review.


As always; just my 2p :)


Tom


(sorry to be over-critical, but I am in a rush today so this is first draft 
sent :))


On 18 June 2012 13:41, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

We will shortly be advertising for our developer post. We will be spreading 
the word far and wide, especially within the community, but all suggestions 
gratefully received.
So far (outside leads:
Mozilla
Tech hub
Civi-CRM
Google academy

Thanks

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[Wikimediauk-l] offlist Re: Recruiting for the Developer

[HJ Mitchell]

Just wanted to say your comment about needing a community liaison was spot on. 
It's something I've been thinking about for a while, but I don't want to plug 
it too hard because I'd give serious thought to applying if it ever came up!


Best,
Harry



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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 14:49
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer
 

Looking at the job description I have some concerns that it has been written 
without the input of someone experienced in hiring individuals for technical or 
pseudo-technical roles - especially in the current economic climate. 

You seem to be looking for someone extremely versatile, experienced 
and independent... on a very entry level salary packet.

I was under the impression, from previous discussions, that the developer 
position was to be contractor-style - or at least remote working in the region 
~10 hours a week.

As a developer, from the description page, I see the following roles:

* Developer
* Sysadmin
* Project manager
* Advocate

Four very distinct roles.

To pick on one specific issue; expecting this person to work on Mediwiki core, 
or an extension, is going to be problematic. That's a whole position on its own 
and you are going to find that ongoing other work will make project work of 
that sort untenable.

(speaking as someone who is in much this position at the moment; my project 
work is on hold pretty much all the time whilst clearing up management issues).

I worry that there is not a lot of work described in this job; or at least 
the responsibilities are bitty and ill-defined. You're risking having someone 
who will sit for long portions of the day drumming their fingers on the 
desk. (speaking as someone who was hired to do this once, and quit after 3 
months due to boredom). It would be good to define (internally, on the WMUK 
wiki) the roles this developer will have to fulfill and, from a 
technical perspective, what we'd like to achieve in, say, the next year.

The salary is most concerning though; you're looking for experience and 
versatility - two major technical skills (sysadmin and developer) plus 
management experience/skill - at a basic entry level rate. I think you will 
struggle to find competent applicants.

I'd fit, fairly well, this job description (and I think am pretty good at it) - 
and any London based job under £35K would struggle to tempt me. Under £30K is 
not even worth considering. (n.b. I'm not saying this because I'd plan to apply 
if you raised the salary :)). You;fe

What I recommend is hiring a more general community liaison (we need this 
anyway IMO), with experience in technical projects. They can do most of the PM 
style work. Then contract out specific projects (yes, including MW extension 
writing) as and when needed. Keep a contractor on retainer for sysadmin and 
internal dev work (~10 hours a week etc.).

Particularly as you have numerous skilled dev/sysadmin contractors within the 
community who will likely offer discounted rates. Building on the WMF model; 
with a competent project manager most of the dev/sysadmin work could be 
community driven. I've already offered to pitch in, but there is no public 
project to achieve this that I know of.

If we have a budget of £30K to go into development this is not enough to hire a 
full time developer/sysadmin/manager. It's enough to contract the work and to 
begin to build a volunteer centric development department.

Mike wrote an excellent starter to this 
here: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Developer_budget The current job 
description seems to be the opposite of many of those (good) proposals 
(although I know Mike also wrote the job description). If we take the list of 
upcoming requirements from that page there are even bigger images; it talks 
about a robust backup strategy - which is quite a specific set of experience. 
Even worse is the security review stuff - no dev/sysadmin you hire for £25K 
will be capable of a robust security review.

As always; just my 2p :)

Tom

(sorry to be over-critical, but I am in a rush today so this is first draft 
sent :))


On 18 June 2012 13:41, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

We will shortly be advertising for our developer post. We will be spreading the 
word far and wide, especially within the community, but all suggestions 
gratefully received.
So far (outside leads:
Mozilla
Tech hub
Civi-CRM
Google academy

Thanks

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer

[HJ Mitchell]

I can see why one would prefer having a single person in-house, though. In the 
long term, it's likely to be cheaper, and people (be it the community, the 
board, or other staff) have a named person they can go to with queries about 
technical things. A permanent member of staff might also be more easily brought 
round to the Wikimedia way of thinking (particularly wrt community involvement, 
doing things in the open, and freely licensing their work).

That's not to say that I disagree with Tom or Charles, I'm mostly playing 
devil's advocate (not least because I'm not technically competent enough to do 
much more than facilitate discussion).


Harry



 From: Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 15:41
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer
 

On 18 June 2012 15:28, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:

On 18 June 2012 15:17, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
 I may be wrong, but I suspect the idea is to aim high, hoping but not
 expecting that somebody will apply who meets all the criteria, and failing
 that, that we'll get somebody who meets most of the criteria and could pick
 up or be trained in the the skills they need.

I don't think you're wrong about that. The debate so far has mostly
been in terms of it would be nice if or we are in the business of
getting into that business or other such aspirational stuff.

I'm actually going on my experience of being recruited to do WMUK's
admin, six months after it should have been clear that WMUK needed at
least a half-time person, at 12 hours a week. Discussions I had after
the interview turned out to be utterly fruitless. There were reasons
for that, but in any case I completely failed to professionalise WMUK
as the first hire, which should have been on the job description.

No amount of corporate jargon and/or penny-pinching can cover up not
getting the right person for the job because the position is a vaguish
proposition. So I think Tom has a point.

This is right.

One of my experiences in around the last 18 months is that smaller companies 
(which we are, lets face it) start out contracting technical work because it is 
significantly cheaper. We've identified several areas of experience we need:

* PHP development
* Virtual server sysadmin
* SSL (a specific experience in itself!)
* Experience with finance/taking money (again; something quite specific)
* Security reivew
* Project management 
* Advocacy

If we have a budget of £29K to spend on people doing this then hiring one 
person is far from optimal. Anyone you find will lack requisite experience in 
any one of these, which means our objectives won't be met.

On the other hand you have a major asset in that several community members do 
have this experience - and might be interested in a robust volunteer driven 
model. 

Contracting the specific expertise needed, whilst developing a robust community 
department is an excellent model :)


Tom
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[Wikimediauk-l] Fw: offlist Re: Recruiting for the Developer

[HJ Mitchell]

One day, I will manage to send an email to the intended recipient, and only the 
intended recipient!

Until that day comes, I meant to send this to the list!


Harry

- Forwarded Message -
From: HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com
To: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk 
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 15:25
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] offlist Re: Recruiting for the Developer
 

Oh bollocks. 

I stand by the point, that we should look at hiring some sort of community 
liaison, I just should said it with more tact (or more carefully checked 
exactly where I was sending it).

I'm going to step away from the keyboard before I succeed in making myself look 
even more of an imbecile! ;)


Harry 



 From: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com 
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 15:20
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] offlist Re: Recruiting for the Developer
 

Hi Harry,

That actually went to the whole list. But a nice email :)

Stevie


On 18 June 2012 15:18, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

Just wanted to say your comment about needing a community liaison was spot on. 
It's something I've been thinking about for a while, but I don't want to plug 
it too hard because I'd give serious thought to applying if it ever came up!




Best,
Harry




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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 14:49
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer
 

Looking at the job description I have some concerns that it has been written 
without the input of someone experienced in hiring individuals for technical 
or pseudo-technical roles - especially in the current economic climate. 


You seem to be looking for someone extremely versatile, experienced 
and independent... on a very entry level salary packet.


I was under the impression, from previous discussions, that the developer 
position was to be contractor-style - or at least remote working in the region 
~10 hours a week.


As a developer, from the description page, I see the following roles:


* Developer
* Sysadmin
* Project manager
* Advocate


Four very distinct roles.


To pick on one specific issue; expecting this person to work on Mediwiki core, 
or an extension, is going to be problematic. That's a whole position on its 
own and you are going to find that ongoing other work will make project work 
of that sort untenable.


(speaking as someone who is in much this position at the moment; my project 
work is on hold pretty much all the time whilst clearing up management issues).


I worry that there is not a lot of work described in this job; or at least 
the responsibilities are bitty and ill-defined. You're risking having someone 
who will sit for long portions of the day drumming their fingers on the 
desk. (speaking as someone who was hired to do this once, and quit after 3 
months due to boredom). It would be good to define (internally, on the WMUK 
wiki) the roles this developer will have to fulfill and, from a 
technical perspective, what we'd like to achieve in, say, the next year.


The salary is most concerning though; you're looking for experience and 
versatility - two major technical skills (sysadmin and developer) plus 
management experience/skill - at a basic entry level rate. I think you will 
struggle to find competent applicants.


I'd fit, fairly well, this job description (and I think am pretty good at it) 
- and any London based job under £35K would struggle to tempt me. Under £30K 
is not even worth considering. (n.b. I'm not saying this because I'd plan to 
apply if you raised the salary :)). You;fe


What I recommend is hiring a more general community liaison (we need this 
anyway IMO), with experience in technical projects. They can do most of the PM 
style work. Then contract out specific projects (yes, including MW extension 
writing) as and when needed. Keep a contractor on retainer for sysadmin and 
internal dev work (~10 hours a week etc.).


Particularly as you have numerous skilled dev/sysadmin contractors within the 
community who will likely offer discounted rates. Building on the WMF model; 
with a competent project manager most of the dev/sysadmin work could be 
community driven. I've already offered to pitch in, but there is no public 
project to achieve this that I know of.


If we have a budget of £30K to go into development this is not enough to hire 
a full time developer/sysadmin/manager. It's enough to contract the work and 
to begin to build a volunteer centric development department.


Mike wrote an excellent starter to this 
here: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Developer_budget The current job 
description seems to be the opposite of many of those (good) proposals 
(although I know Mike also wrote the job description). If we take the list of 
upcoming requirements from that page there are even

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer

[HJ Mitchell]

Regardless of what happens with the developer post, we should definitely try to 
evaluate what technical expertise we have among the community and how we can 
make use of it. Organising a hackathon or something similarly nerdy is a good 
step in that direction, especially if it includes an opportunity for somebody 
like me to learn from that expertise without being judged on my ignorance! :)

If you need a hand organising anything, Lewis, do feel free to drop me a line 
and I'll do what I can.


Harry    



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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2012, 22:30
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recruiting for the Developer
 
On 18/06/2012 15:41, Thomas Morton wrote:
 On the other hand you have a major asset in that several community members do 
 have this experience - and might be interested in a robust volunteer driven 
 model.
 
 Contracting the specific expertise needed, whilst developing a robust 
 community department is an excellent model :)
 
 Tom
I'm sure if we wanted to start a volunteer group, if I manage to get round to 
organising a Hackathon (Its still very much on my mind, I'm going to get things 
rolling soon) this year, then that'd be a good place to meetup and organise an 
effort I assume... my knowledge is far from complete but I have experience in 
certain areas and I'm willing to help out...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] What is in a name?

[HJ Mitchell]

Wikimedia serves as an umbrella term for the entire movement, and since our 
scope is wider than just Wikipedia, it's an appropriate name, despite it not 
having the same 'brand' recognition as the movement's flagship project.


Harry



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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 10:09
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] What is in a name?
 
Indeed - it's standard practice nowadays to be 'Wikimedia' rather than 
'Wikipedia'. If only someone had made this argument when people were coming up 
with names right at the start of the projects...

(The bigger issue here is why 'Wikimedia Commons' rather than 'Wikipedia 
Multimedia', etc...)

Thanks,
Mike

On 13 Jun 2012, at 09:57, John Vandenberg wrote:

 All chapters are called either 'Wikimedia', 'Wiki' or 'free culture'.
 
 On 6/13/12, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 At last, the company (a registered charity) is now called Wikimedia
 UK. The name was changed from Wiki UK Ltd. A former version of the
 project was called Wiki Educational Resources Ltd which is a rather
 apt name given the current interest in training. This company was
 dissolved in 2009. It does not appear to have ever submitted any accounts.
 
 Company No. 05708269
 Status: Dissolved 31/03/2009
 Date of Incorporation: 14/02/2006
 
 Why choose the name wikimedia when the public are in general much more
 familiar with the term wikipedia? Are we guilty of being to close the
 issue and not seeing the wider picture (but that was was given as the
 reason for the formal name change at the AGM???)? Is there now time to
 reflect?
 
 I know something of the trademark issues, and I know something about the
 relationship to the Foundation.
 
 Compare and contrast:-
 
 1) Wikipedia
 
 2) Wikimedia
 
 3) Mediawiki
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Main page seen by library users - where is Wikipedia?

[HJ Mitchell]

Well if you've got the patience, you could go through the recent changes, 
isolate it to the template namespace, and look for recent reverts and 
protections. But tracking it down the day after it's happened strikes as a bit 
like locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.


Harry 



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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012, 13:59
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Main page seen by library users - where is 
Wikipedia?
 

All I know is that it's from the 188. range, which is used by a few people with 
a grudge against Wikipedia. I really need to know what template was vandalised 
to be able to give the checkusers the info they need to track it all down.

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On 8 June 2012 13:45, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:




On 8 June 2012 12:38, Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com wrote:

On 7 June 2012 20:08, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:


 I
wonder how many of those were accessing the site from public computers
in libraries, and what the librarians thought about Wikipedia when
library users notified them of the porn on the Elizabeth II page.  

Get the IP (I gather it's an IP user who vandalised the template), reverse 
WHOIS it, report the issue to ISP / library / school / wherever that IP user 
belongs.

Last year I had fun kicking up some fuss when an IP editor from Oxford 
University vandalised an article about my Cambridge college ;)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's coolest projects

[HJ Mitchell]

The partnership with the Herbert in Coventry is worthy of this list. It's 
arguably the most successful GLAM project in the UK outside London, it's led to 
the development of a community of editors in Coventry and the surrounding area, 
spawned local meetups which are very well-attended, and the only cost to the 
chapter has been feeding attendees.


Harry 



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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 10:58
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's coolest projects
 

It was quite a big story Jon throughout the world. 

Voting - whether real or imaginary it is important. The coolest project has 
to have some popular appeal I would say. Do we think WMDE are cool because they 
have 20 staff? ... or because they have launched the first new Wiki project for 
years? Definately the latter in my view - and they are using people from around 
the world.


On 7 June 2012 10:49, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

Is there voting?! 

The black out was only the EN version so not sure how big a story it was.



On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

@Andrew - some reasons why

@Jon. Well you'll get quite a bit of push back from the French/German's et al 
on 3 if not phrased well. They were awake too during the blackout.

Adding in multi-lingual challenges is a good idea if you want the popular 
vote. Anastasis Lvova from Russian wrote 200 articles. This idea was used in 
Russia, Spain, USA, Netherlands etc etc. We have a map of world showing where 
QRpedia is used and its pretty global.

Getting registered charity status was the hard thing to do the fund raiser 
was brilliant because we had this. Our Wikimedian of the year, John Byrne, 
took leading role with Steve Virgin. We extended the law to do this! We ran 
an EGM.

Monmouth. First agreement between a public body and WMF and WMUK. First 
wiki-town. £1m benefit. Most of the articles were not in English. We did 
first WMUK work in Wales and befriended the Welsh wicipedia. We now can claim 
to support two Wikipedias. We have 6 PhD students studying what was done! 
Steve Virgin crowd sourced P.R, Show them the animation!.

WIR at the British Library. A decent wage and externally funded. Thats a long 
way from the first ones where WIR's funded the work themselves in previous 
year.

GLAM in general - Lots of events, Coventry, GLAMcamp, Amsterdam, QRpedia hit 
the news #2 WMUK media story, This Week in GLAM, the idea was used for Wiki 
loves Monuments photo exhibitions, ARKive

Staff and Office. Andrew Turvey took leading role here driving it through to 
make sure we have 5 staff and a spare desk. I know this is covetted and was 
hard for us as volunteers to do, but not sure it will attract popular votes.

Green for reporting. We were the only chapter!

Wikimeets - We are not Wikimedia London (although they did well as well)



On 7 June 2012 09:45, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

Have just received the HMRC registration forms so about to make first Gift 
Aid claim.

For my three..

Monmouth - volunteers and innovation

Opening an office with staff (this is BIG in wiki terms and other chapters 
want to follow)

Leading the movement during the Black-out for eight hours while San 
Francisco was asleep.

Jon





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werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

Becoming a registered charity is pretty cool (we were already a charity). 
Have we had our first cheque back from the taxman of money reclaimed under 
the terms of Gift Aid? If so that would be good to mention.

WSC 



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On 6 June 2012 16:12, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk 
wrote:


 Short version: What are our three coolest projects between Wikimania 2011
 and Wikimania 2012?

Monmouthpedia, of course but also, separately, the spread of QRpedia
around the world.

Becoming a charity for #3?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[HJ Mitchell]

I find QR codes a little hard to get excited about (perhaps because I don't own 
a smartphone), but if we can get the railway publications, and through them the 
railway industry, interested in Wikimedia, it could lead to some very 
constructive partnerships. There are a lot of dilapidated railway articles that 
would benefit.


Harry



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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for 
award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station
 

I've been sitting in the office with Stevie listening to him ring round the 
various railway magazines - it takes a while to explain QR codes to some of 
them, but once you start mentioning combining modern technology with preserved 
steam locomotives, you can hear their ears perking up...

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Wikimedia UK press release about my QRpedia work at Birmingham Moor
Street Railway Station, from WikimediaUK:

   
http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/05/technological-landmark-for-award-winning-birmingham-moor-street-station-press-release/

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[Wikimediauk-l] WikiConferences Planning Meeting 2 rescheduled

[HJ Mitchell]

My apologies to Tom and to the members of this list, but please  
disregard his previous post.


The date and venue of the next meeting of the conference committee has  
yet to be decided. One of us will be sure to report back to this list  
when we ahve something to report.


Apologies again.


Harry Mitchell, Wikimedia UK conference committee

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lum Hats in Paradise

[HJ Mitchell]

Brian, that's is fantastic.

Obviously, I would hope a group of librarians might be able to recognise inline 
citations, but that they're so keen (and don't see Wikipedia as the root of all 
evil)  is brilliant.

If you need a seasoned Wikipedian to lead a training session up there (for 
librarians or the general public or both), I'd be happy to make the journey.


Harry



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To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Cc: Ashley van Haeften f...@wikimedia.org.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2012, 14:25
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lum Hats in Paradise
 

I remember Tam Dayell (I think it was him) had a little comic speech during the 
Thatcher years asking people to imagine Libraries had not been invented. 

He then pretended he was pitching to the Minister for culture.

It went:
 I want to build some big new buildings
Really?
Yes , and allow anyone to visit them.
Really? What sort of people?
Everyone. 
Why?
Well, I am going to fill them with books.
Ah - a sort of bookshop!
No - we will let people take the books without paying for them...

It went on and on but you get the idea.

Well done the people of Edinburgh and I will cc this to Fae in case he has not 
seen this string as he is so keen to get work in Scotland going.

Jon


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:38 PM, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org wrote:

Jon,

The point is be nice, and respectful, to the library staff. I was having
to stop laughing when Fiona was telling me that they know a good
Wikipedia article by the number of cited references. Without any input
from us they've figured out how to judge article quality - they are
people we want to recruit.

I've done 'stubs' on Leith Library[1], Stockbridge Library[2], and
McDonald Road Library[3].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leith_Library
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockbridge_library
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_Road_Library

The 7th of July is the 125th anniversary of Andrew Carnegie laying the
foundation stone for Edinburgh's Central Library. If there's anything we
can do to get them main page mentions (DYK?) then we'll have an entire
city's ibrary staff onside.

Unlike most of the UK, Edinburgh City Council left libraries in the
hands of the public. The response to surveys was that £300,000 was put
_back_ into the library budget. I think the city deserves recognised for
that, and it should be a priority to document their libraries. Once
we've done so there is a basis to do outreach to the non-natives (Hindi,
Arabic, etc speakers) and get translations. Considering how many kids do
homework in libraries we can also 'stomp on' plagiarism and educate a
really wide swathe of the public.



Brian McNeil
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Wikinews, Accredited Reporter. Personal: brian.mcn...@o2.co.uk
Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news.


  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lum Hats in Paradise
 From: Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk
 Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 1:15 pm
 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org


 I hope we will be jumping at your offer! Brilliant work,

 On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:03 PM, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org wrote:

  Hola! From a non-Wikipedian Wikimedian - in Edinburgh - who is delighted
  with the response from some tentative outreach work.
 
  I spend around an hour this morning touring Edingburgh's Central Library
  with Fiona Myles, took around 150 photos of the interior of the
  building, and _hope_ I've laid the groundwork for us to work far more
  closely in future.
 
  I have, dependent on copyright, a verbal agreement to get high-res scans
  of the plans of the building (A Carnegie Library), a keen interest to
  have librarians briefed on Wikipedia - if not outright encouraged to
  contribute, and the possibility of running recruitment/induction
  sessions in Edinburgh. Which, for the unwashed masses, is a UNESCO City
  of Literature.
 
  Given the piss-poor representation up here in Scotland, I think that's a
  major win. My next job, as interim 'cowboy liasion' between Wikimedia UK
  and Museums Galleries Scotland is to get a few councillors calling for
  all publicly funded publications to be under a CC-BY license.
 
  Any, and all, encouragement welcome. Any Englandshire Wikimedians wh
  plan to visit Edingburgh in the next 6-12 months, please feel free to
  drop me a mail. If I can get you meetings with people, or privileged
  access for photography, I will.
 
  Fun and frivolity aside, with limited Internet access I've come to the
  conclusion that public libraries are the way to recruit. Brief the staff
  of what makes a good Wikipedia article - half of them know already -
  then a simple static display may encourage locals to try their hand.
  Here in Edinburgh I suspect I can, without too many problems, get
  articles put into about a half-dozen languages with keen help from
  library staff.
 
  And this message's title? Purloined from a book on the city's 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A V Denham

[HJ Mitchell]

Oh, but I would love to see somebody try to stick a plaque on Buckingham Palace 
without being shot and/or arrested!


Harry



 From: WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012, 13:30
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A V Denham
 

106 FAs - that must be close to a record for any one place outside of Chicago. 
Perhaps the next project should be somewhere where we don't yet have so much 
featured content, but an easier town to get to than Monmouth?

Better yet, the UK chapter could invite bids from Wikimedians who want the 
Monmouthpedia experience in their abode, and councils who'd like to pitch for 
the title. Wikipedia town of the year is the sort of accolade that some 
councils would really like to get, and if the Council is behind it then every 
museum they grant fund should be reasonably cooperative.

If Monmouthpedia were morphed in a Wikipedia town of the year award then I 
believe we'd have something that could run indefinitely

WSC


On 21 May 2012 08:45, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

On 19/05/12 22:44, Thomas Dalton wrote: 
It seems the biggest challenge for editing workshops is finding
suitable topics for people to create articles about (I think a lot of
people just edit existing articles, which is much easier). It's
particularly difficult for Monmonth since pretty much everything
notable in the town already has an article!
My experience is that how do I create an article comes very high on the list 
of FAQs in workshops. Hence, I have suggested divorcing MediaWiki skills from 
Wikipedia skills (as dictated by the experience levels of participants).

So, Monmouth is done and dusted?

Time to return another town. how about this quaint little
hamlet (started as WikiProject in 2002)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_London

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Visiting Monmouth on Saturday

[HJ Mitchell]

I will be in either the library or the Shire Hall all day (probably wearing a 
bright yellow Monmouthpedia t-shirt!), running drop-in sessions teaching people 
how to edit. I probably won't be more than 100 yards from the Shire Hall 
between now and tomorrow evening so I'll be easy to find (I'll also try to make 
sure the receptionist at the Shire Hall knows where I am). The Shire Hall is 
right in the centre of Monmouth - you can't really miss it!


Harry     



 From: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012, 12:24
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Visiting Monmouth on Saturday
 
I'll be in Monmouth for the first time on Saturday, and look forward
to meeting those of you who can make it. When and where should I
present myself? Is there a programme for the day?

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania 2014 organising committee

[HJ Mitchell]

As some of the members of this list will be aware, there was a meeting 
yesterday morning of parties interested in a UK bid for Wikimania 2012. The 
minutes of the meeting are available 
at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014/Planning_meeting_1/Notes for 
those who are interested.

As a result of the meeting, the decision was taken that a bid will be submitted 
for London, and the organising committee for this bid was formed 
(http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014/Planning_meeting_1/Notes#Organising_committee).

The next meeting of the committee will be held at 11:00 on Sunday, 10 June 
2012. See http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014/Planning_meeting_2 for 
details.

Anybody interested in joining the organising committee who couldn't make it to 
yesterday's meeting, please contact me directly.


For the organising committee,

Harry Mitchell

Email: hjmitch...@ymail.com
Skype: harry_j_mitchell
Phone: 02476 980977
Mobile: 07585 357416
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