Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[leu...@fabiant.eu]

Hi all,

I suppose I am in a similar position to Mike: I would help out, but I have to
much other stuff on to take the lead.

all the best

Fabian

aka Leutha

> On 24 October 2015 at 19:22 Michael Peel  wrote:
> 
>  Hi Fabian/Leutha,
> 
>  It would need some sort of working group arrangement, whether that's a
> wikiproject or otherwise. The crucial factors are identifying who is
> interested in helping with this type of project, and making sure that the
> relevant stakeholders from the other charities/groups are also included.
> 
>  I can help with this, but I really don't have the time to take a lead to make
> this happen. Would anyone be interested in volunteering to lead this?
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Mike
> 
> 
>  > >  On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:56, leu...@fabiant.eu
>  > >  wrote:
> > 
> >  This sounds like a great idea, let's do it. I am not sure that a
> >WIkiproject   work for this.
> > Is there a better way to approach things?
> > 
> >  all the best
> > 
> >  Fabian
> >  aka Leutha
> > 
> >  > Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about
> >  > providing leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through
> >  > how to find information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister
> >  > projects, and how to determine whether to trust it? If, of course,
> >  > that's something that event attendees and organisers would find
> >  > useful. This is something that could easily be done in cooperation
> >  > with other charities/groups that have more experience than
> >  > WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they contain the
> >  > most relevant information in the most accessible way possible.
> >  > 
> >  > Thanks,
> >  > Mike
> >  > 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[Michael Peel]

Hi Fabian/Leutha,

It would need some sort of working group arrangement, whether that's a 
wikiproject or otherwise. The crucial factors are identifying who is interested 
in helping with this type of project, and making sure that the relevant 
stakeholders from the other charities/groups are also included.

I can help with this, but I really don't have the time to take a lead to make 
this happen. Would anyone be interested in volunteering to lead this?

Thanks,
Mike

> On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:56, leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:
> 
> This sounds like a great idea, let's do it. I am not sure that a  WIkiproject 
>  work for this. Is there a better 
> way to approach things?
>  
> all the best
>  
> Fabian
> aka Leutha
> 
> > Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about 
> > providing leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through how to 
> > find information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and 
> > how to determine whether to trust it? If, of course, that's something that 
> > event attendees and organisers would find useful. This is something that 
> > could easily be done in cooperation with other charities/groups that have 
> > more experience than WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they 
> > contain the most relevant information in the most accessible way possible. 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > Mike 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[WereSpielChequers]

Dear Mike,

I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing
Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non
computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an
inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My
preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people
who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross
training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help
Wikipedia or at least want to fill one of our gaps.

Jonathan

On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
> http://getonlineweek.com/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week
>
> It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think
> about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more
> 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[Nick Poole]

Hi all,

I am following this thread with interest. A lot of libraries are doing 
interesting things around Get Online week, and I think it’s worth thinking less 
in terms of people editing Wikipedia and more in terms of using it.

Obviously, edits is a metric, but I note in Martha Lane Fox’s dot.everyone 
initiative that they talk as much about giving people reasons to go online as 
they do giving them the skills to create web content.

I think that it would be worth thinking about partnering up with the library 
network on ‘Introduction to Wikipedia’ sessions telling people about the scope, 
how to search etc. Ideally this would serve  as an on-ramp for people wanting 
to become editors further down the line!

All best, and happy to discuss further.

Nick Poole
Chief Executive
Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals (CILIP)

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Sent: 13 October 2015 13:49
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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

Dear Mike,
I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing 
Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non 
computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an 
inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My preference is 
that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people who are 
experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross training 
existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help Wikipedia or at least 
want to fill one of our gaps.
Jonathan

On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel 
<em...@mikepeel.net<mailto:em...@mikepeel.net>> wrote:
Hi all,

I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
http://getonlineweek.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week

It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think about 
offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how to read' 
rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[Lucy Crompton-Reid]

Definitely! It's a shame we missed it this year but thanks for flagging it
up Mike, would be good to be involved in future. Cheers, Lucy

On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
> http://getonlineweek.com/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week
>
> It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think
> about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more
> 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[Thomas Morton]

Getting people to understand how to interact with Wikipedia *properly* as a
reader has always struck me as the most important thing. Because people
sometimes don't apply the sort of critical thinking needed. An
encyclopaedia is nothing if it's content is not *useful*.

For this reason (and I feel it is often overlooked in favour of encouraging
interest groups to engage and edit, a worthy goal) I've always thought that
we should spend a lot more time engaging with readers. Because that's an
easier step. And from a large pool of great, critical thinking, readers
will come the casual and committed editors needed to grow the corpus.

Tom

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 at 13:55 Nick Poole <nick.po...@cilip.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I am following this thread with interest. A lot of libraries are doing
> interesting things around *Get Online *week, and I think it’s worth
> thinking less in terms of people editing Wikipedia and more in terms of
> using it.
>
>
>
> Obviously, edits is a metric, but I note in Martha Lane Fox’s dot.everyone
> initiative that they talk as much about giving people reasons to go online
> as they do giving them the skills to create web content.
>
>
>
> I think that it would be worth thinking about partnering up with the
> library network on ‘Introduction to Wikipedia’ sessions telling people
> about the scope, how to search etc. Ideally this would serve  as an on-ramp
> for people wanting to become editors further down the line!
>
>
>
> All best, and happy to discuss further.
>
>
>
> Nick Poole
>
> Chief Executive
>
> Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals (CILIP)
>
>
>
> *From:* Wikimediauk-l [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On
> Behalf Of *WereSpielChequers
> *Sent:* 13 October 2015 13:49
> *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week
>
>
>
> Dear Mike,
>
> I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing
> Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non
> computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an
> inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My
> preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people
> who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross
> training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help
> Wikipedia or at least want to fill one of our gaps.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
> http://getonlineweek.com/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week
>
> It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think
> about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more
> 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[Deryck Chan]

al and committed editors needed to grow the
> corpus.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 at 13:55 Nick Poole < nick.po...@cilip.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I am following this thread with interest. A lot of libraries are doing
> interesting things around *Get Online *week, and I think it’s worth
> thinking less in terms of people editing Wikipedia and more in terms of
> using it.
>
>
>
> Obviously, edits is a metric, but I note in Martha Lane Fox’s dot.everyone
> initiative that they talk as much about giving people reasons to go online
> as they do giving them the skills to create web content.
>
>
>
> I think that it would be worth thinking about partnering up with the
> library network on ‘Introduction to Wikipedia’ sessions telling people
> about the scope, how to search etc. Ideally this would serve  as an on-ramp
> for people wanting to become editors further down the line!
>
>
>
> All best, and happy to discuss further.
>
>
>
> Nick Poole
>
> Chief Executive
>
> Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals (CILIP)
>
>
>
> *From:* Wikimediauk-l [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On
> Behalf Of *WereSpielChequers
> *Sent:* 13 October 2015 13:49
> *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week
>
>
>
> Dear Mike,
>
> I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing
> Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non
> computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an
> inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My
> preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people
> who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross
> training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help
> Wikipedia or at least want to fill one of our gaps.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
> http://getonlineweek.com/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week
>
> It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think
> about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more
> 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[leu...@fabiant.eu]

t.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >Obviously, edits is a metric, but I note in Martha Lane Fox’s
> > dot.everyone initiative that they talk as much about giving people reasons
> > to go online as they do giving them the skills to create web content.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >I think that it would be worth thinking about partnering up with the
> > library network on ‘Introduction to Wikipedia’ sessions telling people about
> > the scope, how to search etc. Ideally this would serve  as an on-ramp for
> > people wanting to become editors further down the line!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >All best, and happy to discuss further.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >Nick Poole
> > 
> >Chief Executive
> > 
> >Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals (CILIP)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >From: Wikimediauk-l [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > <mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> ] On Behalf Of
> > WereSpielChequers
> >Sent: 13 October 2015 13:49
> >To: UK Wikimedia mailing list
> >Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >Dear Mike,
> > 
> >I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that
> > editing Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained
> > non computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent
> > an inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My
> > preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people
> > who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross
> > training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help Wikipedia
> > or at least want to fill one of our gaps.
> > 
> >Jonathan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net
> > <mailto:em...@mikepeel.net> > wrote:
> > 
> >Hi all,
> > 
> >I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
> >http://getonlineweek.com/
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week
> > 
> >It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think
> > about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how
> > to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.
> > 
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> >Mike
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[Fæ]

On 13 October 2015 at 15:12, leu...@fabiant.eu  wrote:
...
> I think there is what we do and what we imagine we do. Although the 
> propaganda is that editathons are there to develop new editors, in fact they 
> are very poor at this with somewhere around a 5% success level. This is 
> something Wikimedia UK has known for several years, yet we have continued to 
> run these even though they fail at their stated aim.
...
> It is quite clear that if we want to train up editors then what is needed is 
> regular (probably weekly) training events at which people can build their 
> skills, carry out "homework" between sessions and perhaps be given an 
> assessment if they are up for it.

Leutha has some good insights, however I disagree with some the ideas
for action.

When we set up the Wikimedia UK charity (in Andrew Turvey's time), as
trustees we were very clear that the best use of our donated funds was
to keep our focus on the mission. Charities often get side tracked
into setting up activities and internal functions that eat into
funding that could just as easily be done by other charities. If the
current board feel that more should be done for education of new
internet users, then there are other charities that have immense
expertise at using money to deliver these outcomes and to comply with
Charity Commission guidelines for best practice, the money would be
better going to directly fund those charities. If the "Wikimedia"
brand has value, then that brand and some staff time could be lent to
cooperative events with other charities.

I know that Doug and some others have experience in supporting "third
age education" and could advise the board on concrete options and
contacts.

With regard to editathons, I agree that general public editathons are
invariably a poor use of charity funding, but I think narrow and
targeted /events/ have more intended outcomes than 'increasing
editors'. For example the editathons that I used to be part of for
academics, influence University and institution policy and create long
term relationships that have great value. My professional contacts
have proved useful for resolving copyright issues arising from my
million-ish GLAM related uploads to Commons, even though those
individuals may not regularly contribute to Wikimedia projects
themselves; in effect a key measurable outcome was keeping me
interested and contributing at this 'expert' level in ways that they
never would.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[Gordon Joly]

On 13/10/15 13:48, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> 
> I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that
> editing Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task.

Indeed. I have sat in on sessions in community centres, teaching and
helping to teach. Image manipulation (using The Gimp) and Mediawiki. I
created a Mediawiki and used it on a community project in 2006. I tried
to get the group to document and archive their work.

Success rate? I guess about 5% (and then the project ended).

:-)

Those with entry level computer skills had a hard time.

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[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

It's worth remembering that editathons weren't originally intended to recruit 
new editors - they were aimed at bringing together experienced editors with 
knowledgable people (e.g. museum creators) to improve Wikipedia articles using 
the knowledge of both groups. The change to focus on new editors came along 
later (although I'm not sure exactly when!).

Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about providing 
leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through how to find 
information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and how to 
determine whether to trust it? If, of course, that's something that event 
attendees and organisers would find useful. This is something that could easily 
be done in cooperation with other charities/groups that have more experience 
than WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they contain the most 
relevant information in the most accessible way possible.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[leu...@fabiant.eu]

This sounds like a great idea, let's do it. I am not sure that a  WIkiproject
  work for this. Is there a better
way to approach things?

all the best

Fabian
aka Leutha

> Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about providing
> leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through how to find
> information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and how to
> determine whether to trust it? If, of course, that's something that event
> attendees and organisers would find useful. This is something that could
> easily be done in cooperation with other charities/groups that have more
> experience than WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they contain
> the most relevant information in the most accessible way possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
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[Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
http://getonlineweek.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week

It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think about 
offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how to read' 
rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.

Thanks,
Mike
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