Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia: Ongoing issues

[Lucy Crompton-Reid]

Will do Andy

On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 16:36, Andy Mabbett 
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> On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 16:22, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
>
> > I wanted to update you on some of the issues with QRpedia
>
> Thank you, Lucy.
>
> The Phabricator ticket I mentioned in my OP still needs input, from
> someone with technical knowledge. Please can you arrange that? We've
> been waiting for input there since August.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia: Ongoing issues

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 16:22, Lucy Crompton-Reid
 wrote:

> I wanted to update you on some of the issues with QRpedia

Thank you, Lucy.

The Phabricator ticket I mentioned in my OP still needs input, from
someone with technical knowledge. Please can you arrange that? We've
been waiting for input there since August.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia: Ongoing issues

[Lucy Crompton-Reid]

Dear all

I wanted to update you on some of the issues with QRpedia and the work
that's being undertaken to resolve these by one of our developers. We
originally created a solution to the double-encoding issue based on an
older release, and are now merging this into the current codebase (this
merge is currently being tested). More generally we are taking the
opportunity to add a test suite to define the expected behaviour, and add
some basic developer documentation.

Whilst our developer spent some time working on QRpedia earlier this year,
in recent months the priority has been on other WMUK technology projects.
I’m sorry if this has resulted in a feeling that the tool is not being
supported or maintained, which isn’t the case. I do appreciate people’s
frustration regarding ongoing issues and we are working to address these.

Best wishes

Lucy


On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 22:21, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
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> Sorry Andy (and all), I have been gathering information about this and
> will send an update in the next day or so. Cheers, Lucy
>
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 19:19, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
>> It seems not :-(
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 11:17, Andy Mabbett 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > It seems that there are still issues with QRpedia:
>> >
>> >   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210050
>> >
>> > Can we have some input from WMUK, about the likelihood of a fix, please?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia: Ongoing issues

[Lucy Crompton-Reid]

Sorry Andy (and all), I have been gathering information about this and will
send an update in the next day or so. Cheers, Lucy

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 19:19, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> It seems not :-(
>
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 11:17, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
> >
> > It seems that there are still issues with QRpedia:
> >
> >   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210050
> >
> > Can we have some input from WMUK, about the likelihood of a fix, please?
> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia: Ongoing issues

[Andy Mabbett]

It seems not :-(

On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 11:17, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> It seems that there are still issues with QRpedia:
>
>   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210050
>
> Can we have some input from WMUK, about the likelihood of a fix, please?
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia: Ongoing issues

[Fæ]

As I understood it when we were signing off the organizational
strategy, we set up a separate legal entity to manage/own QRpedia so
that WMUK would not have to be responsible. Considering the
significant number of non-Wikimedia GLAM organizations that have
invested in this QR technology on the presumption that QRpedia will be
a reliable and simple mobile service, we may be overdue properly to
unhook QR Pedia from the local UK chapter and instead make it a
separate international GLAM organization with funding from more
diverse sources.

Should WMUK be diverted to other things, or say, end up having no
staff to handle GLAM outreach or coordinate on technical problems,
then the board of QRpedia should be free to have their own
GLAM-stakeholder-agreed support plans which may be dependent on the
WMF and its funding, or not.

Thanks for chipping away at this Andy. When the handful of us involved
in the set up are no longer following QRpedia issues, I suspect it
would remain submerged permanently below the waterline.

Cheers,
Fae


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>
> It seems that there are still issues with QRpedia:
>
>   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210050
>
> Can we have some input from WMUK, about the likelihood of a fix, please?
>
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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia: Ongoing issues

[Andy Mabbett]

It seems that there are still issues with QRpedia:

  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210050

Can we have some input from WMUK, about the likelihood of a fix, please?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRPedia down?

[Roger Bamkin]

Andy, wmuks support seems very amateur. Is it worth pointing out that
they have a contract to keep it running. They seem to rely on the community
to spot errors and then fix them. They should be testing it every week and
fixing it without being prodded. Oh and hope you're OK. Cheers roger
On 6 Jul 2016 5:05 pm, "Andy Mabbett"  wrote:

> The URL:
>
>http://qrwp.org/The_Son_of_Man
>
> returns (for me)
>
>Sorry, but Wikipedia does not have the page
>"The_Son_of_Man" in your language (en). Please
> try reading the Google auto-translated version.
>
> Or read in one of the following languages:
>
> - The_Son_of_Man
>
> with the last line linked to:
>
>https://qrwp.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man
>
> which times out.
>
> Yet:
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man
>
> returns the expected article.
>
> What's broken?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRPedia down?

[Richard Symonds]

I will look into it :-)

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On 6 July 2016 at 17:04, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> The URL:
>
>http://qrwp.org/The_Son_of_Man
>
> returns (for me)
>
>Sorry, but Wikipedia does not have the page
>"The_Son_of_Man" in your language (en). Please
> try reading the Google auto-translated version.
>
> Or read in one of the following languages:
>
> - The_Son_of_Man
>
> with the last line linked to:
>
>https://qrwp.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man
>
> which times out.
>
> Yet:
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man
>
> returns the expected article.
>
> What's broken?
>
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[Wikimediauk-l] QRPedia down?

[Andy Mabbett]

The URL:

   http://qrwp.org/The_Son_of_Man

returns (for me)

   Sorry, but Wikipedia does not have the page
   "The_Son_of_Man" in your language (en). Please
try reading the Google auto-translated version.

Or read in one of the following languages:

- The_Son_of_Man

with the last line linked to:

   https://qrwp.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man

which times out.

Yet:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man

returns the expected article.

What's broken?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[Richard Farmbrough]

I understand the demand for British passports is currently very high in
France.

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wrote:

 Just to give you all an update: this is quite a laborious process that
 involves me faxing my passport to France before I can do a great deal. They
 don't accept emailed documents, unfortunately!

 They are of course going off today.

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 On 25 June 2015 at 11:03, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

  Might want to make sure the domain is extended soon, since these things
  can also creep up on us all.

 Might want to check any other SSL certificates WMUK holds, too.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[Gordon Joly]

Might want to make sure the domain is extended soon, since these things
can also creep up on us all.

whois qrpedia.org
Domain Name:QRPEDIA.ORG
Domain ID: D161757316-LROR
Creation Date: 2011-03-13T19:45:32Z
Updated Date: 2015-02-18T15:53:04Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2016-03-13T19:45:32Z

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[Thomas Morton]

The domain should be on auto-renew. I will check though.

Tom

On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 at 11:03 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:



 Might want to make sure the domain is extended soon, since these things
 can also creep up on us all.

 whois qrpedia.org
 Domain Name:QRPEDIA.ORG
 Domain ID: D161757316-LROR
 Creation Date: 2011-03-13T19:45:32Z
 Updated Date: 2015-02-18T15:53:04Z
 Registry Expiry Date: 2016-03-13T19:45:32Z

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[Richard Symonds]

Thanks Gordo, good point - that's already in my calender - we'll be going
for as long a renewal as we can.

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On 25 June 2015 at 11:03, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:



 Might want to make sure the domain is extended soon, since these things
 can also creep up on us all.

 whois qrpedia.org
 Domain Name:QRPEDIA.ORG
 Domain ID: D161757316-LROR
 Creation Date: 2011-03-13T19:45:32Z
 Updated Date: 2015-02-18T15:53:04Z
 Registry Expiry Date: 2016-03-13T19:45:32Z

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

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On 25 June 2015 at 11:03, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 Might want to make sure the domain is extended soon, since these things
 can also creep up on us all.

Might want to check any other SSL certificates WMUK holds, too.

Thanks for raising the ticket, Doug.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[Richard Symonds]

Just to give you all an update: this is quite a laborious process that
involves me faxing my passport to France before I can do a great deal. They
don't accept emailed documents, unfortunately!

They are of course going off today.

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On 25 June 2015 at 11:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 25 June 2015 at 11:03, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

  Might want to make sure the domain is extended soon, since these things
  can also creep up on us all.

 Might want to check any other SSL certificates WMUK holds, too.

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[Andy Mabbett]

I can't check (I'm on my mobile), but I've just been told that QRpedia has
an invalid SSL certificate.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[rexx]

Bugzilla report filed.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org.uk/show_bug.cgi?id=384

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 Will check this tomorrow first thing Andy. Haven't had any notifications
 but will take a look!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

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Will check this tomorrow first thing Andy. Haven't had any notifications
but will take a look!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[rexx]

If you try to look at https://qrpedia.org, you'll find this message:

This server could not prove that it is qrpedia.org; its security
certificate expired 41 day(s) ago.

So if the certificate has expired, it's presumably invalid.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia broken?

[Richard Symonds]

Thanks Doug.
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 Bugzilla report filed.

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia and Wikimedia logos

[Andy Mabbett]

It seems to me taht teh tardemark policy:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy

Now allows for the use of Wikimedia logos, partilaulry tthe Wikiepdia
globe, on QRpedia plaques. I quote:

  You have the right to use marks to:

* Create artistic, literary, and political works; or
* Link to Wikimedia sites.

   [...]]

   This policy also allows you to use marks [...] when you:

 * Do outreach and recruit new editors; or
 * Place marks on t-shirts, cakes, and other things
without selling them.


Does anyone disagree with this interpretation?If not,

   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QRpedia

and:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QRHowTo

(and possibly other pages) will need to be updated; I'll be happy to do so.

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRPedia source

[addshorewiki]

Does anyone have any comments in regards to moving the QRPedia source code
to Git and thus Github rather than google code here it is currently located?
https://code.google.com/p/qrwp/

In my opinion this would give the code and the source side of the project
greater visibility and likely greater participation / poking at the code.

I would propose making a 'wmuk' github organisation and within a 'qrpedia'
repo!
This org could then nicely collect any other bits of code that are lying
around the place!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRPedia source

[Thomas Morton]

The current qrpedia code is hosted in WMF git iirc. Check out the meta
Qrpedia page and I'm sure it links through :)

Tom
On 27 Mar 2014 13:35, addshorewiki addshorew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone have any comments in regards to moving the QRPedia source code
 to Git and thus Github rather than google code here it is currently located?
 https://code.google.com/p/qrwp/

 In my opinion this would give the code and the source side of the project
 greater visibility and likely greater participation / poking at the code.

 I would propose making a 'wmuk' github organisation and within a 'qrpedia'
 repo!
 This org could then nicely collect any other bits of code that are lying
 around the place!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia and Wikimedia logos

[John Mark Vandenberg]

Hi Andy,

In short, no.  It appears that the WMF wants use of the stylised logos
on QR codes to be licensed.  See

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_policy#Use_of_marks_in_conjunction_with_QR_codes

You have quoted the summary, which explicitly says This summary of
the Trademark policy below is not a legal document.

In the actual policy, which presumably is the legal document, ..

Create artistic, literary, and political works permits you to use
marks to discuss the Wikimedia, or in jokes and satire , which isnt
relevant to QR codes, unless each use of the Puzzle logo would need to
be a reasonable attempt at an artistic work.  Merely using the logo
unmodified alongside a QR code is not a new artistic work of the two
elements combined.

Link to Wikimedia sites. is actually nominative use
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use). It declares open
season on the unstylised wordmark, but that was already permitted by
law.  It also says the marks can be nominative use in certain
circumstances; you would need a lawyer to give the OK on a nominative
use not explicitly mentioned there, or ask the WMF lawyers.  IMO
including a Wikipedia logo on a mounted QR code is not nominative use.

Place marks on t-shirts, cakes, and other things without selling
them has the caveat for your own use.  Mounting them permanently on
a building is not for your own use.

Do outreach and recruit new editors is the most permissive area of
the policy with the text:

You may use the marks consistent with our mission to educate people
about the Wikimedia sites and to recruit new contributors, as long as
you make it clear that you do not work for the Wikimedia Foundation.

A QR plague might fit within that wording, but I bet the WMF wouldnt
agree.  As a clue, they have restricted the use of 'Wikipedian in
Residence'.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 It seems to me taht teh tardemark policy:

 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy

 Now allows for the use of Wikimedia logos, partilaulry tthe Wikiepdia
 globe, on QRpedia plaques. I quote:

   You have the right to use marks to:

 * Create artistic, literary, and political works; or
 * Link to Wikimedia sites.

[...]]

This policy also allows you to use marks [...] when you:

  * Do outreach and recruit new editors; or
  * Place marks on t-shirts, cakes, and other things
 without selling them.


 Does anyone disagree with this interpretation?If not,

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QRpedia

 and:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QRHowTo

 (and possibly other pages) will need to be updated; I'll be happy to do so.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia and Wikimedia logos

[Michael Maggs]

Yes, that’s right: the WMF has explicitly declined to allow the use of the 
Globe logo and their other marks in association with QRpedia codes unless the 
user signs a licence.   At present, that must be a one-off licence, but I am 
hoping to be able to finalise the terms of a ‘quick licence’ with WMF legal at 
the Wikimedia conference in Berlin.  If that is successful, the terms of the 
new quick licence would then be added to the trademark policy pages.

Michael



On 27 Mar 2014, at 14:28, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Andy,
 
 In short, no.  It appears that the WMF wants use of the stylised logos
 on QR codes to be licensed.  See
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_policy#Use_of_marks_in_conjunction_with_QR_codes
 
 You have quoted the summary, which explicitly says This summary of
 the Trademark policy below is not a legal document.
 
 In the actual policy, which presumably is the legal document, ..
 
 Create artistic, literary, and political works permits you to use
 marks to discuss the Wikimedia, or in jokes and satire , which isnt
 relevant to QR codes, unless each use of the Puzzle logo would need to
 be a reasonable attempt at an artistic work.  Merely using the logo
 unmodified alongside a QR code is not a new artistic work of the two
 elements combined.
 
 Link to Wikimedia sites. is actually nominative use
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use). It declares open
 season on the unstylised wordmark, but that was already permitted by
 law.  It also says the marks can be nominative use in certain
 circumstances; you would need a lawyer to give the OK on a nominative
 use not explicitly mentioned there, or ask the WMF lawyers.  IMO
 including a Wikipedia logo on a mounted QR code is not nominative use.
 
 Place marks on t-shirts, cakes, and other things without selling
 them has the caveat for your own use.  Mounting them permanently on
 a building is not for your own use.
 
 Do outreach and recruit new editors is the most permissive area of
 the policy with the text:
 
 You may use the marks consistent with our mission to educate people
 about the Wikimedia sites and to recruit new contributors, as long as
 you make it clear that you do not work for the Wikimedia Foundation.
 
 A QR plague might fit within that wording, but I bet the WMF wouldnt
 agree.  As a clue, they have restricted the use of 'Wikipedian in
 Residence'.
 
 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk 
 wrote:
 It seems to me taht teh tardemark policy:
 
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy
 
 Now allows for the use of Wikimedia logos, partilaulry tthe Wikiepdia
 globe, on QRpedia plaques. I quote:
 
  You have the right to use marks to:
 
* Create artistic, literary, and political works; or
* Link to Wikimedia sites.
 
   [...]]
 
   This policy also allows you to use marks [...] when you:
 
 * Do outreach and recruit new editors; or
 * Place marks on t-shirts, cakes, and other things
without selling them.
 
 
 Does anyone disagree with this interpretation?If not,
 
   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QRpedia
 
 and:
 
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QRHowTo
 
 (and possibly other pages) will need to be updated; I'll be happy to do so.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRPedia source

[addshorewiki]

I will have to dig through my history and see where I found the link to
google code as apparently some page somewhere is wrong ;p

Addshore


On 27 March 2014 15:05, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

 The current qrpedia code is hosted in WMF git iirc. Check out the meta
 Qrpedia page and I'm sure it links through :)

 Tom
 On 27 Mar 2014 13:35, addshorewiki addshorew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone have any comments in regards to moving the QRPedia source
 code to Git and thus Github rather than google code here it is currently
 located?
 https://code.google.com/p/qrwp/

 In my opinion this would give the code and the source side of the project
 greater visibility and likely greater participation / poking at the code.

 I would propose making a 'wmuk' github organisation and within a
 'qrpedia' repo!
 This org could then nicely collect any other bits of code that are lying
 around the place!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRPedia source

[Andy Mabbett]

On 27 March 2014 14:05, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

 The current qrpedia code is hosted in WMF git iirc. Check out the meta
 Qrpedia page and I'm sure it links through :)

Perhaps - once the feature requests there are migrated  - we should
retire the Google code pages? Or at least clearly mark them as
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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia - moving forward

[Andy Mabbett]

Now that QRpedia sits within WMUK, how do we as a community wish to
see it deployed?

I'm not talking about technical matters, but projects - how are we
going to promote it to GLAMs and other organisations? What can the
chapter/ office/ WiRs do to promote and support further deployments??

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia stats broken?

[Erik Moeller]

http://qrpedia.org/stats.php seems broken right now, could someone take a look?

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia stats broken?

[Tom Morris]

I had a look over the code a while back. It looked to me like it wasn't
then compliant with the privacy policy (because it keeps complete logs
of every click-through).



Since the WMUK transfer, has anyone ensured compliance with the privacy
policy?



With my volunteer hat on, I'm happy to give it a look over, possibly at
the weekend.



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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list [2]wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia stats broken?

Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 19:06:52 +



I think we're moving the stats to a new service. But not sure.

I'll look into this later. What's likely happened is that when we moved
the site that got forgotten. I certainly didn't migrate any data :)

Tom

On 2 Jan 2014 18:34, Erik Moeller [3]e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

[4]http://qrpedia.org/stats.php seems broken right now, could someone
take a look?



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4. http://qrpedia.org/stats.php
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7. http://uk.wikimedia.org/
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia stats broken?

[Tom Morris]

If it's been privacy policy audited internally, the I'll put that a bit
further down my to-do list. It's probably worth an extra pair of eyes
to sanity check it. Last time I looked at the code, it looked pretty
sane with the exception of the statistics code which wasn't really in
keeping with the privacy policy. Is the code of the current version up
(either on a WMF server or somewhere like Github)?



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To: UK Wikimedia mailing list [2]wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia stats broken?

Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 21:11:33 +



Yes; that link was broken because of an issue that someone just raised
with me :) now fixed!!

When we took over QRpedia hosting the privacy issue was addressed and
one of the pre-requisites for launching QRpedia on our servers was
making it compliant with WMUK existing privacy policy.

Emmanuel knows the details for definite; so he will be able to update
the links to the various stats pages (which are much more detailed, I
promise!).

However, I think he’s on holiday at the moment so it might be over the
weekend.

Regards,

Tom



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On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
 Since the WMUK transfer, has anyone ensured compliance with the
privacy
 policy?

It links to https://wiki.wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Website_Privacy_Policy
- an audit seems indeed called for, or perhaps a separate policy if
there are significant discrepancies. Collecting basic data seems
essential to demonstrate the impact of the project going forward. The
stats I've seen in the past weren't too inspiring, but perhaps iOS
recent inclusion of QR code software by default will help adoption.


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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia transfer update

[Katherine Bavage]

Dear all,

In January it was announced that Wikimedia UK had reached an agreement with
Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden  to accept the donation of the intellectual
property rights of QRpedia to Wikimedia UK. WMUK are choosing to do this
via a company called Cultural Outreach limited.

This will mean that in future the site qrpedia.org will be managed by
Cultural Outreach Ltd and governed by the Wikimedia UK Website Privacy
Policy.

Both the domains qrpedia.org and qrwp.org were transferred to the registrar
maintained by Cultural Outreach Ltd today. This is a notice that the server
hosting for the sites will be changed at 22:00 on Sunday 22nd December.
Users should not notice any difference, however there is the very slight
chance that in some cases QR codes may not work for short periods during
the switch.

If you experience a problem you can report it by emailing
t...@wikimedia.org.uk or by logging a bug at the Wikimedia UK install of
bugzilla (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org.uk/)

*Katherine Bavage *
*Fundraising Manager *
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Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia conclusion

[Michael Maggs]

The board of Wikimedia UK is delighted to report that Roger Bamkin has signed 
the final agreement which formally transfers ownership of the intellectual 
property in QRpedia to Wikimedia UK. Accordingly, as of yesterday all of the IP 
rights in QRPedia are held by Wikimedia UK.

The final stage in the process is to get the Domain Name Registrars to update 
their online domain name records to reflect the new ownership. This is purely 
an administrative procedure which can now be initiated immediately.

We regret the delay in achieving this outcome for the community but we are very 
happy that the technology has been secured for the global Wikimedia community 
to use.  We would like to once again thank Roger and Terence Eden for their 
generous donation of QRpedia intellectual property rights and for their 
patience during the process.

Michael


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Simon Knight]

And those posts are here
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Water_cooler#QRpedia_update  (just to give a
direct link)

Simon

 

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[mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jon Davies
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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

 

Apologies for the delay. 
We have posted a response on Water Cooler.

I hope this helps.

Jon.

 

On 10 September 2013 17:47, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

Have there been any further developments since this was last discussed?

 

A.

 

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:

Rupert,

I don't want to pre-empt others with deeper knowledge ot what is happening
but the company was set up to hold QRpedia to offer WMUK extra protection in
case there were any litigious issues from outsiders who sometimes come after
bits of software. e.g. a South African company made a claim they had
invented QRPedia a while back!

Our trustee dealing with this, Saad Choudri, is finalising the details but
it is such a slow process.

Jon

 

On 25 June 2013 08:22, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, 

Why did wmuk form a company?

Rupert

Am 24.06.2013 22 tel:24.06.2013%2022 :38 schrieb Roger Bamkin
ro...@bamkin.org.uk:

More than willing to talk but there is nothing to say I'm afraid. We missed
the occasion of GLAMwiki and the AGM. I am told that WMUK managed to form a
company but the trustee who had created the agreements left the board at the
AGM. Doug will be missed.

QRpedia is much more relevant to Freopedia, Joburgpedia and Gibraltarpedia.
Over a thousand new articles, lots of plaques and new editors working on
articles in new languages. Our third Featured article of the day in the next
few days and the second QRpedia inspired project should make 1,000 articles
next month.

The work at Walsal looks very impressive and there is work in Monmouthshire
as well so progress is being made by lots of people.

R

 

On 24 June 2013 19:56, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:

Following up on this from earlier this month - it still appears that there
is a delay in the transfer of the domain. Chris, Jon or Roger, please could
you give an update? Thanks.

 

On 8 June 2013 09:48, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

hi chris, what will the solution be?


On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating
chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Andreas,

 Yes, of course.

 The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.

 At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
 purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.

 We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability of
 being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen it
 could be very costly.

 So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
 reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
 patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
 everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.

 Chris


 Thanks, Chris.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[rupert THURNER]

Hi,

Why did wmuk form a company?

Rupert
Am 24.06.2013 22:38 schrieb Roger Bamkin ro...@bamkin.org.uk:

 More than willing to talk but there is nothing to say I'm afraid. We
 missed the occasion of GLAMwiki and the AGM. I am told that WMUK managed to
 form a company but the trustee who had created the agreements left the
 board at the AGM. Doug will be missed.

 QRpedia is much more relevant to Freopedia, Joburgpedia and
 Gibraltarpedia. Over a thousand new articles, lots of plaques and new
 editors working on articles in new languages. Our third Featured article of
 the day in the next few days and the second QRpedia inspired project should
 make 1,000 articles next month.

 The work at Walsal looks very impressive and there is work in
 Monmouthshire as well so progress is being made by lots of people.

 R


 On 24 June 2013 19:56, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Following up on this from earlier this month - it still appears that
 there is a delay in the transfer of the domain. Chris, Jon or Roger, please
 could you give an update? Thanks.

 On 8 June 2013 09:48, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi chris, what will the solution be?

 On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating 
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Andreas,
 
  Yes, of course.
 
  The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.
 
  At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
  purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.
 
  We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability
 of
  being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen
 it
  could be very costly.
 
  So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
  reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
  patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
  everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.
 
  Chris
 
 
  Thanks, Chris.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Jon Davies]

Rupert,

I don't want to pre-empt others with deeper knowledge ot what is happening
but the company was set up to hold QRpedia to offer WMUK extra protection
in case there were any litigious issues from outsiders who sometimes come
after bits of software. e.g. a South African company made a claim they had
invented QRPedia a while back!

Our trustee dealing with this, Saad Choudri, is finalising the details but
it is such a slow process.

Jon

On 25 June 2013 08:22, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Why did wmuk form a company?

 Rupert
 Am 24.06.2013 22:38 schrieb Roger Bamkin ro...@bamkin.org.uk:

 More than willing to talk but there is nothing to say I'm afraid. We
 missed the occasion of GLAMwiki and the AGM. I am told that WMUK managed to
 form a company but the trustee who had created the agreements left the
 board at the AGM. Doug will be missed.

 QRpedia is much more relevant to Freopedia, Joburgpedia and
 Gibraltarpedia. Over a thousand new articles, lots of plaques and new
 editors working on articles in new languages. Our third Featured article of
 the day in the next few days and the second QRpedia inspired project should
 make 1,000 articles next month.

 The work at Walsal looks very impressive and there is work in
 Monmouthshire as well so progress is being made by lots of people.

 R


 On 24 June 2013 19:56, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Following up on this from earlier this month - it still appears that
 there is a delay in the transfer of the domain. Chris, Jon or Roger, please
 could you give an update? Thanks.

 On 8 June 2013 09:48, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi chris, what will the solution be?

 On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating 
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Andreas,
 
  Yes, of course.
 
  The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.
 
  At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
  purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.
 
  We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the
 probability of
  being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did
 happen it
  could be very costly.
 
  So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
  reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
  patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
  everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.
 
  Chris
 
 
  Thanks, Chris.
 
  A.
 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Gordon Joly]

On 25/06/13 08:22, rupert THURNER wrote:


Hi,

Why did wmuk form a company?

Rupert





If I can offer a reason. charities use companies to trade and make 
profits, which go to the charity as income.


But in this case, Jon Davies seems to be suggesting that it keeps 
QRPedia at arms length, and protects the charity (Wikimedia UK) from 
claims (patents).


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Thehelpfulone]

Following up on this from earlier this month - it still appears that there
is a delay in the transfer of the domain. Chris, Jon or Roger, please could
you give an update? Thanks.

On 8 June 2013 09:48, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi chris, what will the solution be?

 On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating 
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Andreas,
 
  Yes, of course.
 
  The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.
 
  At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
  purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.
 
  We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability of
  being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen it
  could be very costly.
 
  So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
  reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
  patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
  everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.
 
  Chris
 
 
  Thanks, Chris.
 
  A.
 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Roger Bamkin]

More than willing to talk but there is nothing to say I'm afraid. We missed
the occasion of GLAMwiki and the AGM. I am told that WMUK managed to form a
company but the trustee who had created the agreements left the board at
the AGM. Doug will be missed.

QRpedia is much more relevant to Freopedia, Joburgpedia and Gibraltarpedia.
Over a thousand new articles, lots of plaques and new editors working on
articles in new languages. Our third Featured article of the day in the
next few days and the second QRpedia inspired project should make 1,000
articles next month.

The work at Walsal looks very impressive and there is work in Monmouthshire
as well so progress is being made by lots of people.

R


On 24 June 2013 19:56, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Following up on this from earlier this month - it still appears that there
 is a delay in the transfer of the domain. Chris, Jon or Roger, please could
 you give an update? Thanks.

 On 8 June 2013 09:48, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi chris, what will the solution be?

 On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating 
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Andreas,
 
  Yes, of course.
 
  The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.
 
  At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
  purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.
 
  We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability
 of
  being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen
 it
  could be very costly.
 
  So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
  reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
  patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
  everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.
 
  Chris
 
 
  Thanks, Chris.
 
  A.
 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[rupert THURNER]

hi chris, what will the solution be?

On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Andreas,

 Yes, of course.

 The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.

 At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
 purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.

 We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability of
 being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen it
 could be very costly.

 So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
 reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
 patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
 everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.

 Chris


 Thanks, Chris.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Chris Keating]

Hi Andreas,

Yes, of course.

The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.

At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who purport
that QRpedia infringes on various patents.

We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability of
being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen it
could be very costly.

So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.

Chris

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Chris,

 It is now almost four months since you posted the below. According to
 whois, the domain transfers have not happened.

 http://whois.domaintools.com/qrwp.org
 http://whois.domaintools.com/qrpedia.org

 Could you give us an update?

 Andreas

 On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Chris Keating 
 chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
 Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.orgdomains 
 will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and
 support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and
 Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as
 retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any
 financial consideration for this.

 I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to
 Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes
 defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA
 projects. A fuller statement will follow.

 Regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Gordon Joly]

On 07/06/13 11:28, Chris Keating wrote:


The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.


Openness gone out the window?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating
chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Andreas,

 Yes, of course.

 The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.

 At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
 purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.

 We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability of
 being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen it
 could be very costly.

 So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
 reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
 patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
 everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.

 Chris


Thanks, Chris.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Andreas Kolbe]

Chris,

It is now almost four months since you posted the below. According to
whois, the domain transfers have not happened.

http://whois.domaintools.com/qrwp.org
http://whois.domaintools.com/qrpedia.org

Could you give us an update?

Andreas

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Chris Keating 
chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
 Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.orgdomains 
 will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and
 support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and
 Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as
 retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any
 financial consideration for this.

 I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to
 Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes
 defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA
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 Regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia at The New Art Gallery Walsall

[geni]

On 9 May 2013 21:24, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 I'm pleased to announce that The New Art Gallery Walsall:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Art_Gallery_Walsall

 where I am currently Wikipedian in Residence, today began to deploy
 QRpedia codes alongside a number the artworks in their collection.


Given that a whois search still doesn't show qrpedia.org as assign to WMUK
I would describe that move as unwise.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia at The New Art Gallery Walsall

[Roger Bamkin]

Well congratulations Andy - good to see that you are just getting things
done.

The recent board agenda indicates that they have no one assigned to the
task that Geni feels is important. It looks as if they are still struggling
with this as they haven't spoken to me about it since February. Obviously
that is disappointing given the fuss that was made about it.

Anyway much more importantly I really enjoyed the backstage pass that you
set up in Burnley. It was great to see dozens of unfamiliar faces with
people from the museums working closely to create new articles. I see that
ClemRutter has done some great work loading up images etc. The Queen Street
Mill was a real find and I was chatting with people from nearby museums and
museum trainees who seemed interested in finding out what was possible
using Wikipedia.

Walsall looks interesting too and we are planning a trip to come and see
what can be done. I also cannot resist telling you that Gibraltar now has
400 new articles in English making 900 articles overall. I'm particularly
pleased with the support we get locally both in Gib and in the UK.

So well done  again


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 On 9 May 2013 21:24, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 I'm pleased to announce that The New Art Gallery Walsall:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Art_Gallery_Walsall

 where I am currently Wikipedian in Residence, today began to deploy
 QRpedia codes alongside a number the artworks in their collection.


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 WMUK I would describe that move as unwise.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia at The New Art Gallery Walsall

[Stevie Benton]

This is really good timing actually. I was speaking with Jon about this
very thing at about 11am today, based on recent conversations we've had
with you over the last few weeks. It was actually on my task list to email
you again today to discuss this. I know that QRpedia is on the agenda for
tomorrow's WMUK Board meeting and believe Fae has been in touch with you,
too.

If you feel that there's a hold-up at our end, please do drop me a line off
list and I'll do what I can to help take things forward.

Stevie


On 10 May 2013 13:53, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well congratulations Andy - good to see that you are just getting things
 done.

 The recent board agenda indicates that they have no one assigned to the
 task that Geni feels is important. It looks as if they are still struggling
 with this as they haven't spoken to me about it since February. Obviously
 that is disappointing given the fuss that was made about it.

 Anyway much more importantly I really enjoyed the backstage pass that you
 set up in Burnley. It was great to see dozens of unfamiliar faces with
 people from the museums working closely to create new articles. I see that
 ClemRutter has done some great work loading up images etc. The Queen Street
 Mill was a real find and I was chatting with people from nearby museums and
 museum trainees who seemed interested in finding out what was possible
 using Wikipedia.

 Walsall looks interesting too and we are planning a trip to come and see
 what can be done. I also cannot resist telling you that Gibraltar now has
 400 new articles in English making 900 articles overall. I'm particularly
 pleased with the support we get locally both in Gib and in the UK.

 So well done  again


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 On 9 May 2013 21:24, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 I'm pleased to announce that The New Art Gallery Walsall:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Art_Gallery_Walsall

 where I am currently Wikipedian in Residence, today began to deploy
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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia at The New Art Gallery Walsall

[Andy Mabbett]

I'm pleased to announce that The New Art Gallery Walsall:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Art_Gallery_Walsall

where I am currently Wikipedian in Residence, today began to deploy
QRpedia codes alongside a number the artworks in their collection.

A snapshot (better pictures later!) of the first being attached below
van Gogh's 'Sorrow' (subject of an article written as part of the
project) is at:

   
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_Art_Gallery_Walsall_-_QRpedia_-_first_code_installed.jpeg

As well for artists whose articles are already in many languages, such
as Monet, Constable, Turner, Picasso and more, these will include
articles on specific artworks and people, written as part of this GLAM
collaboration:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/New_Art_Gallery_Walsall#Articles

not least:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde%27s_tomb

and the article about the gallery itself.

Translations of articles in the latter set into other languages would
be appreciated, please.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Andreas Kolbe]

I would oppose any support from Wikimedia UK for targeted use of the
Wikipedia main page to increase the visibility of projects like
Gibraltarpedia.

Beyond that, I believe it would also be extremely unwise for WMUK to offer
such support.

Andreas

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 I don't want to set the cat among the pigeons, but does this mean that
 WMUK can now support GibraltarpediA?

 I perfectly understand that things are a bit more complicated when it
 comes to money and formal agreements, but after the wonderful success in
 Monmouth, it would be a shame if the excellent work going on in Gibraltar
 continued to be overshadowed by the controversies about conflicts of
 interest and ownership of QRpedia. I think WMUK could do quite a bit to be
 seen to be supportive, and I think recognition of the project from formal
 entities within the movement (such as chapters) can go a long way towards
 changing the default narrative (to pinch Stevie's phrase).

 All that said, I'm very pleased to see that this has finally been resolved
 and (it seems) with a minimum of acrimony. Hopefully all those involved
 will be happy with what they have contributed to the Wikimedia movement and
 will continue their involvement with it for a long time to come.

 Harry Mitchell
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 Phone: 024 7698 0977
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 original copy was put together jointly between WMF and WMUK and I'm keen
 that any revisions are accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful that we can get
 this fixed today. Thanks, Stevie On 9 February 2013 20:40, Andy Mabbett 
 a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keatingchris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 
  wrote:
   The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and
 qrwp.org
   domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK
  
  It would be a good idea to update
  
  
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
   
  ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)
  
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[David Gerard]

On 12 February 2013 12:42, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11 February 2013 17:52, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would oppose any support from Wikimedia UK for targeted use of the
 Wikipedia main page to increase the visibility of projects like
 Gibraltarpedia.

 What do you count as projects like Gibraltarpedia? Are you opposed
 to the entire concept of wikitowns? Or is it the specific
 circumstances of Gibraltarpedia you object to?


It is important to remember that Andreas is opposed to Wikipedia in
general and to chapters doing anything.

(Assume good faith does not mean in the face of mountains of
evidence and the subject's own words.)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Andreas Kolbe]

Thomas,

I don't think there is much wrong with projects like Monmouthpedia and
Gibraltarpedia at all. When I first heard about Monmouthpedia, I thought it
was a great project.

Problems arose from –

1. the conflation of roles within the chapter,
2. the projects' being plainly described as tourism marketing initiatives
in the press, and
3. the use of the Wikipedia main page to increase project and customer
visibility.

I see a PR, credibility and integrity problem for the Wikimedia movement if
such projects are prominently sold by Wikimedia as marketing projects
designed to increase tourism – because this means we are saying it is fine
to leverage Wikipedia to boost local business.

Similarly, I don't think it is wise to leverage the main page to enhance
such projects' visibility, or for Wikimedia UK to endorse any such use of
the main page. Commercial interests should be kept at arm's length from WMF
and the chapter, and from the Wikipedia identity.

I don't want to see the Wikipedia main page play host to all manner of
hidden commercial interests, especially when the commercial background is
not transparent to the average reader. In relation to the lack of
transparency, there is also a potential legal problem here under EU
legislation, as described in the Signpost a while back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-11-12/News_and_notes


In my view, Wikimedia should support such projects as outreach efforts, to
get people involved in writing content, but not as marketing ploys.

In terms of content generation, and getting people involved in Wikipedia,
these are good projects, and to that degree I support them.

Best,
Andreas

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 11 February 2013 17:52, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
  I would oppose any support from Wikimedia UK for targeted use of the
  Wikipedia main page to increase the visibility of projects like
  Gibraltarpedia.

 What do you count as projects like Gibraltarpedia? Are you opposed
 to the entire concept of wikitowns? Or is it the specific
 circumstances of Gibraltarpedia you object to?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Andreas Kolbe]

Sometimes I wonder what happened, David. I recall you describing one of my
posts to Foundation-l as the post of the year a couple of years ago:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/216365#216365

What I am opposed to is poor content, BLP violations, or Wikipedia being
abused for commercial and political interests.

That applied then, and it applies now. I don't think the average Wikipedian
would have that much of a problem with that.

Andreas

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12 February 2013 12:42, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 11 February 2013 17:52, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

  I would oppose any support from Wikimedia UK for targeted use of the
  Wikipedia main page to increase the visibility of projects like
  Gibraltarpedia.

  What do you count as projects like Gibraltarpedia? Are you opposed
  to the entire concept of wikitowns? Or is it the specific
  circumstances of Gibraltarpedia you object to?


 It is important to remember that Andreas is opposed to Wikipedia in
 general and to chapters doing anything.

 (Assume good faith does not mean in the face of mountains of
 evidence and the subject's own words.)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Tom Morris]

On Tuesday, 12 February 2013 at 15:56, rexx wrote:
 For example, Monmouthpedia generated many new articles in multiple languages 
 as well as new photographs; the volunteers' efforts have helped vitalise the 
 Welsh Wikipedia; the contacts made are leading to a shift in attitude of the 
 Welsh Government and academia towards free and open licensing of work that 
 they create or are custodians of.
 
 Gibraltarpedia has the potential to involve the whole area from Gibraltar 
 into North Africa and create links between British, Spanish and North African 
 wikimedians - perhaps even help to establish new communities of wikimedians 
 where they do not yet exist.
 
 Andreas' concerns are clearly genuinely held, and we should never fear honest 
 scrutiny and criticism. I'm looking forward to seeing new initiatives in the 
 future and I'd welcome everyone's input on how best to ensure that they meet 
 the vision of our wiki-movement. Contributions from our sternest critics are 
 potentially the most valuable.

Let's be fair here, it's not just Andreas' concerns. It's not just a concern 
for self-styled Wikipedia critics. Lots and lots of people thought that 
Gibraltarpedia was problematic, myself included.* I think it's a clear case of 
WMUK collectively not having a good intuitive grasp of what the community 
on-wiki will and won't tolerate from chapters or chapter board members.

It's not even about the rights and wrongs of what went on, it's about being 
able to make sane judgement calls about about whether one can get the community 
to buy-in to grand plans for outreach (whether clearly good things like working 
with GLAMs to more problematic things which skirt close to the edge of paid 
editing like the Gibraltar stuff). It's about realising that one has to think 
through the politics of these things and to have the cleanest possible hands in 
dealing with COI.

Despite negative press coverage, negative reaction on-wiki and a governance 
review, based on Rexx's email, I'm starting to think that nobody at WMUK has 
actually learned anything useful from the Gibraltarpedia affair. Which is a 
shame. 

* See 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:GLAM/GibraltarpediA

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Charles Matthews]

On 12 February 2013 16:31, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 Let's be fair here, it's not just Andreas' concerns. It's not just a concern 
 for self-styled Wikipedia critics. Lots and lots of people thought that 
 Gibraltarpedia was problematic, myself included.*

Indeed, I had a phone call from an old friend and Wikipedian. I had to
explain my own personal attitude, that I never nominate anything I
write for DYK. But it wasn't really an adequate response to the
concern expressed about the use of the main page. Let me say that I
supported the Monmouth effort by starting 10 articles, and I don't
regret that work. But I wasn't in a hurry to get back into the water
after I had the system clearer in my mind.

Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[HJ Mitchell]

There's very little I can say that would add to Doug's articulate and 
well-thought-out post, but I welcome Andreas' more substantive post as a step 
towards a rational, mature discussion about these projects. I think such a 
discussion has been needed for a while, but hasn't been possible until now 
because of the entanglement with wider issues about conflicts of interest etc.

Andreas raises some points that are worth addressing. The conflation of roles 
within the chapter is not something I'm in a position to opine on, but the 
projects' being plainly described as tourism marketing initiatives in the 
press is a legitimate concern. Wikipedia must be neutral, and of course that 
neutrality extends beyond the text of a given article. Nevertheless, the 
increased visibility of, say, Monmouth is an effect of these projects and one 
reason that local governments may wish to see such projects in their areas. 
There's no getting away from that - local governments aren't motivated by 
altruism in the same way that Wikipedians are. As for the controversy at DYK, 
mistakes were made there. I think it was the result of naivety and the lack of 
clear process for this sort of thing at DYK and certainly not of any malice. 
Roger was just trying to see that people writing articles got some recognition, 
as he had done for years before Monmouth- or
 Gibraltarpedia were conceived. I think Roger's naivety wrt conflicts of 
interest and volumes of nominations at DYK, and DYK's processes, have both been 
rectified or are being rectified.

All that said, we need to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, 
Gibraltarpedia has its issues. No, those issues are not going to go away with 
the wave of a magic wand. But I've been to Gibraltar, and the number of people 
involved, and the enthusiasm with which the project is met by residents, 
cultural institutions, schools, and at least three different government 
departments tells me that something is being built that will outlive the 
politics surrounding the project, and it has real potential to make a positive 
change to the movement without compromising our movement's principles.

None of that is to say that Gibraltarpedia can carry on as though the events of 
the last few months never happened (see my first paragraph), but nor is it 
fatally flawed. It's also worth pointing out that almost everybody involved is 
involved as a volunteer and is contributing to the project and to Wikipedia out 
of altruism. 

Thanks,
 
Harry Mitchell

http://enwp.org/User:HJ

Phone: 024 7698 0977
Skype: harry_j_mitchell



 From: rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 15:56
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
 

My usual optimism can sometimes lead to disappointment, but I think I'd rather 
have it that way. Projects like Monmouthpedia and Gibraltarpedia have a huge 
potential for doing good work, and they need the community to support and 
engage with them to make sure they deliver that good work.

I am pleased to read Andreas' précis of the extent to which he would support 
projects, but it's worth fleshing out the positive side of engaging in such 
projects, either as volunteers or as a body:

1. There is an opportunity to create many new encyclopedic articles, 
not only in English but also in myriad other languages.
2. There is an opportunity to take and publish photographs of notable 
objects and people.
3. There is an opportunity to enthuse existing editors and recruit new 
editors, training them as we go along.
4. There is an opportunity to create networks to support more projects 
between interested groups who share our aims.For example, Monmouthpedia 
generated many new articles in multiple languages as well as new photographs; 
the volunteers' efforts have helped vitalise the Welsh Wikipedia; the contacts 
made are leading to a shift in attitude of the Welsh Government and academia 
towards free and open licensing of work that they create or are custodians of.

Gibraltarpedia has the potential to involve the whole area from Gibraltar into 
North Africa and create links between British, Spanish and North African 
wikimedians - perhaps even help to establish new communities of wikimedians 
where they do not yet exist.

Andreas' concerns are clearly genuinely held, and we should never fear honest 
scrutiny and criticism. I'm looking forward to seeing new initiatives in the 
future and I'd welcome everyone's input on how best to ensure that they meet 
the vision of our wiki-movement. Contributions from our sternest critics are 
potentially the most valuable.

-- 
Rexx



On 12 February 2013 13:41, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

Thomas,


I don't think there is much wrong with projects like Monmouthpedia and 
Gibraltarpedia at all. When I first heard about Monmouthpedia, I thought it 
was a great project. 


Problems

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Stevie Benton]

This is something I'm liaising on with the WMF. The original copy was put
together jointly between WMF and WMUK and I'm keen that any revisions are
accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful that we can get this fixed today.

Thanks,

Stevie

On 9 February 2013 20:40, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:
  The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
  domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK

 It would be a good idea to update
 
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
 
 ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)

 --
 Andy Mabbett
 @pigsonthewing
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and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street,
London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a
global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the
Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[John Byrne]

What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the 
donation or similar.


John
On 11/02/2013 14:03, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:21:39 + From: Stevie Benton 
stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 
QRpedia Message-ID: 
cacti2rkakugc3dntc1k+xj+l8dv9ugbijybubfhs-goudtl...@mail.gmail.com 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This is something I'm 
liaising on with the WMF. The original copy was put together jointly 
between WMF and WMUK and I'm keen that any revisions are accepted by 
both sides. I'm hopeful that we can get this fixed today. Thanks, 
Stevie On 9 February 2013 20:40, Andy Mabbett 
a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keatingchris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
 domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK


It would be a good idea to update

http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/

 

ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Thomas Dalton]

On Feb 11, 2013 4:37 PM, John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:

 What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the
donation or similar.

That's what I'm still not getting. Donations don't have terms...
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[HJ Mitchell]

I don't want to set the cat among the pigeons, but does this mean that WMUK can 
now support GibraltarpediA?

I perfectly understand that things are a bit more complicated when it comes to 
money and formal agreements, but after the wonderful success in Monmouth, it 
would be a shame if the excellent work going on in Gibraltar continued to be 
overshadowed by the controversies about conflicts of interest and ownership of 
QRpedia. I think WMUK could do quite a bit to be seen to be supportive, and I 
think recognition of the project from formal entities within the movement (such 
as chapters) can go a long way towards changing the default narrative (to 
pinch Stevie's phrase).

All that said, I'm very pleased to see that this has finally been resolved and 
(it seems) with a minimum of acrimony. Hopefully all those involved will be 
happy with what they have contributed to the Wikimedia movement and will 
continue their involvement with it for a long time to come.   
 
Harry Mitchell

http://enwp.org/User:HJ

Phone: 024 7698 0977
Skype: harry_j_mitchell



 From: John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013, 16:37
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
 
What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the donation 
or similar.

John
On 11/02/2013 14:03, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:21:39 + From: Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
 wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia 
 Message-ID: 
 cacti2rkakugc3dntc1k+xj+l8dv9ugbijybubfhs-goudtl...@mail.gmail.com 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This is something I'm liaising 
 on with the WMF. The original copy was put together jointly between WMF and 
 WMUK and I'm keen that any revisions are accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful 
 that we can get this fixed today. Thanks, Stevie On 9 February 2013 20:40, 
 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keatingchris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:
  The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
  domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK
 
 It would be a good idea to update
 
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
  
 ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)
 
 --
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Roger Bamkin]

Harry Its not a coincidence that Chris's announcement mentions defining the
relationship with Mpedia and Gpedia. I agree with you. We have dozens of
activists and editors who should be lauded for their work. They have 750
new articles from Cadiz to Marrakesh (literally). The recent videos that
have been published are a good advert and I see that Monmouth have
published a new one too.



On 11 February 2013 17:41, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 I don't want to set the cat among the pigeons, but does this mean that
 WMUK can now support GibraltarpediA?

 I perfectly understand that things are a bit more complicated when it
 comes to money and formal agreements, but after the wonderful success in
 Monmouth, it would be a shame if the excellent work going on in Gibraltar
 continued to be overshadowed by the controversies about conflicts of
 interest and ownership of QRpedia. I think WMUK could do quite a bit to be
 seen to be supportive, and I think recognition of the project from formal
 entities within the movement (such as chapters) can go a long way towards
 changing the default narrative (to pinch Stevie's phrase).

 All that said, I'm very pleased to see that this has finally been resolved
 and (it seems) with a minimum of acrimony. Hopefully all those involved
 will be happy with what they have contributed to the Wikimedia movement and
 will continue their involvement with it for a long time to come.

 Harry Mitchell
 http://enwp.org/User:HJ
 Phone: 024 7698 0977
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell

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 *From:* John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk
 *To:* wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, 11 February 2013, 16:37
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

 What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the
 donation or similar.

 John
 On 11/02/2013 14:03, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
  Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:21:39 + From: Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
 wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia
 Message-ID: CACti2rKAKugc3dnTC1k+xj+
 l8dv9ugbijybubfhs-goudtl...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=iso-8859-1 This is something I'm liaising on with the WMF. The
 original copy was put together jointly between WMF and WMUK and I'm keen
 that any revisions are accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful that we can get
 this fixed today. Thanks, Stevie On 9 February 2013 20:40, Andy Mabbett 
 a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keatingchris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 
  wrote:
   The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and
 qrwp.org
   domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK
  
  It would be a good idea to update
  
  
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
   
  ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)
  
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[David Gerard]

On 11 February 2013 17:00, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 11, 2013 4:37 PM, John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:

 What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the
 donation or similar.

 That's what I'm still not getting. Donations don't have terms...


That statement is trivially false, in general application as well.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[geni]

On 11 February 2013 16:37, John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:
 What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the
 donation or similar.


A good line. And if the full unredacted text of the negotiations was
published people would have more data to weigh its validity. Yes I
know that isn't going to happen.

And since that isn't going to happen you are going to have to accept
that people are going to look at what data we do have (particularly
with regards to timing) and draw other rather different conclusions.


Equally those drawing those conclusions are going to have to accept
that we are unlikely to receive even an acknowledgment of our position
let alone a meaningful response. That being the case its best to
accept that things worked out okey in the end and move on.

For example the next issue is how WMUK plans to pay for the upkeep of
QRpedia given that it wasn't in the budget.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Thomas Dalton]

On Feb 11, 2013 7:59 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 For example the next issue is how WMUK plans to pay for the upkeep of
 QRpedia given that it wasn't in the budget.

There shouldn't be an issue there. The costs are minimal. Renewal costs for
two domain names and maybe a few hours work by the existing IT contractors
to transition things and sort out the security concerns that have been
raised. The budget can absorb that.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[John Byrne]

Tom,
Why do you talk nonsense half the time (or more)?  Of course many 
donations have terms, implied or explicit. Hence the restricted funds 
many charities have. Any donation involving transferring domain names 
should have a written agreement, as this one will have, and that 
agreement has terms.  Which from a combination of various reasons took 
an inordinate time to finalize.


John

On 11/02/2013 17:17, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:00:59 + From: Thomas Dalton 
thomas.dal...@gmail.com To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 
QRpedia Message-ID: 
CALTQccdEi2urrzej=wmakt2bk+auevstt8ks-pmnpccsl1g...@mail.gmail.com 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Feb 11, 2013 4:37 PM, 
John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:


What we had is best described as a delay in agreeing terms for the

donation or similar.

That's what I'm still not getting. Donations don't have terms...
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[Michael Peel]

On 11 Feb 2013, at 20:02, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Feb 11, 2013 7:59 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  For example the next issue is how WMUK plans to pay for the upkeep of
  QRpedia given that it wasn't in the budget.
 
 There shouldn't be an issue there. The costs are minimal. Renewal costs for 
 two domain names and maybe a few hours work by the existing IT contractors to 
 transition things and sort out the security concerns that have been raised. 
 The budget can absorb that.

The need to have developer resources available to set up QRpedia on WMUK 
servers, and to maintain and improve it, has been thought about for a while now 
and was incorporated into this year's developer budget (although the activity 
plan doesn't explicitly state this).

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[rexx]

Agree with Mike on that - and I hope everyone will be pleased to learn that
we've already been talking to our developers about how best to implement a
system to ensure a seamless changeover. We've been very lucky in finding
two developers who know how to keep their eye on the community pulse and
are willing to go the extra mile for us when we need them.

Thanks to all involved in making sure the technology works!
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On 11 February 2013 20:31, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:


 On 11 Feb 2013, at 20:02, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Feb 11, 2013 7:59 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   For example the next issue is how WMUK plans to pay for the upkeep of
   QRpedia given that it wasn't in the budget.
 
  There shouldn't be an issue there. The costs are minimal. Renewal costs
 for two domain names and maybe a few hours work by the existing IT
 contractors to transition things and sort out the security concerns that
 have been raised. The budget can absorb that.

 The need to have developer resources available to set up QRpedia on WMUK
 servers, and to maintain and improve it, has been thought about for a while
 now and was incorporated into this year's developer budget (although the
 activity plan doesn't explicitly state this).

 Thanks,
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[Katherine Bavage]

*We've been very lucky in finding two developers who know how to keep their
eye on the community pulse and are willing to go the extra mile for us
when we need them.*

I'll second that!

As its likely we're changing the date of its meeting, anyone interesting in
knowing more/getting involved in discussions about the planned development
work could do worse than come to the next Tech committee meeting -
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Technology_Committee

:)


On 11 February 2013 20:40, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Agree with Mike on that - and I hope everyone will be pleased to learn
 that we've already been talking to our developers about how best to
 implement a system to ensure a seamless changeover. We've been very lucky
 in finding two developers who know how to keep their eye on the community
 pulse and are willing to go the extra mile for us when we need them.

 Thanks to all involved in making sure the technology works!
 --
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 On 11 February 2013 20:31, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:


 On 11 Feb 2013, at 20:02, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Feb 11, 2013 7:59 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   For example the next issue is how WMUK plans to pay for the upkeep of
   QRpedia given that it wasn't in the budget.
 
  There shouldn't be an issue there. The costs are minimal. Renewal costs
 for two domain names and maybe a few hours work by the existing IT
 contractors to transition things and sort out the security concerns that
 have been raised. The budget can absorb that.

 The need to have developer resources available to set up QRpedia on WMUK
 servers, and to maintain and improve it, has been thought about for a while
 now and was incorporated into this year's developer budget (although the
 activity plan doesn't explicitly state this).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Thomas Dalton]

There are restricted donations, certainly, and I suppose those restrictions
could be considered terms. A restricted donation is not a contractual
arrangement though (a contract requires consideration - if there is
consideration then it isn't a donation), so I would not use the word
terms, which is normally used in reference to contracts.

In any case, the announcement of this donation didn't mention any
restrictions.
On Feb 11, 2013 8:25 PM, John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:

 Tom,
 Why do you talk nonsense half the time (or more)?  Of course many
 donations have terms, implied or explicit. Hence the restricted funds many
 charities have. Any donation involving transferring domain names should
 have a written agreement, as this one will have, and that agreement has
 terms.  Which from a combination of various reasons took an inordinate time
 to finalize.

 John

 On 11/02/2013 17:17, 
 wikimediauk-l-request@lists.**wikimedia.orgwikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:00:59 + From: Thomas Dalton 
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 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia Message-ID: CALTQccdEi2urrzej=
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Feb 11, 2013 4:37 PM, John
 Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:

 
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[Stevie Benton]

Hello everyone,

Just following this up. I've updated the relevant parts of the QA to
reflect the agreement that Wikimedia UK has made with Roger Bamkin and
Terence Eden, while retaining the integrity of the original. Jay Walsh will
be doing the same on the WMF side.

If anyone has any questions please do let me know.

Many thanks,

Stevie

On 11 February 2013 13:21, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 This is something I'm liaising on with the WMF. The original copy was put
 together jointly between WMF and WMUK and I'm keen that any revisions are
 accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful that we can get this fixed today.

 Thanks,

 Stevie


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 On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:
  The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
  domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK

 It would be a good idea to update
 
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
 
 ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Michael Peel]

On 9 Feb 2013, at 18:52, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
 
 Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
 remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the
 letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.
 I am happy to provide a simple patch to this end as well as a code
 checkover.
 It may be sensible to run QRpedia code through WMF formal code review for
 security checking.
 
 
 +1 - the WMF privacy rules are harsh compared to many, but readers
 love them so much they're actually a pretty good model, and I'd like
 to talk e.g. the RationalWiki Foundation into formally adopting them
 (we use them informally for a lot of stuff though not all). So this
 should be considered a useful thing to do that users will love :-)

WMUK doesn't yet have an established privacy policy for its projects (aside 
from its donor privacy policy) - which is something that should be corrected. 
However, it's not trivial to turn the WMF's privacy policy into one that WMUK 
can adopt, due to the differences between the projects that WMF operate vs. 
those that WMUK operate. Based on the WMF privacy policy, I've set out a draft 
WMUK privacy policy at:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy
This needs further revision, and I'd encourage everyone receiving this email to 
directly make, or use the talk page to suggest, changes to this draft policy.

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[Andy Mabbett]

Thank you. While not meaning to be critical (we all seem to be walking
on eggshells ATM), I'm surprised that that has less detail that Chris'
recent announcement, in that it doesn't say anything of:

  The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and
qrwp.org domains
   will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support the
   development of the QRpedia platform for the future.

Is there a reason for that?


On 11 February 2013 21:40, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 Just following this up. I've updated the relevant parts of the QA to
 reflect the agreement that Wikimedia UK has made with Roger Bamkin and
 Terence Eden, while retaining the integrity of the original. Jay Walsh will
 be doing the same on the WMF side.

 If anyone has any questions please do let me know.

 Many thanks,

 Stevie


 On 11 February 2013 13:21, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

 This is something I'm liaising on with the WMF. The original copy was put
 together jointly between WMF and WMUK and I'm keen that any revisions are
 accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful that we can get this fixed today.

 Thanks,

 Stevie


 On 9 February 2013 20:40, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:
  The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
  domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK

 It would be a good idea to update

 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
 ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Stevie Benton]

Thanks for your email Andy.

Basically, the whole point is we keep it simple until all of the messages
are agreed. Keep an eye out for a fuller announcement, probably later on in
the week.

I know there's a lot of people interested in what's happening but it's
important we get things correct and if that means taking our time then I
think that's sensible.

I hope this makes sense. I'm logging off now as it's been a very long day
but I'm more than happy to pick this up in the morning.

Thanks,

Stevie

On 11 February 2013 22:14, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Thank you. While not meaning to be critical (we all seem to be walking
 on eggshells ATM), I'm surprised that that has less detail that Chris'
 recent announcement, in that it doesn't say anything of:

   The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and
 qrwp.org domains
will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support the
development of the QRpedia platform for the future.

 Is there a reason for that?


 On 11 February 2013 21:40, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:
  Hello everyone,
 
  Just following this up. I've updated the relevant parts of the QA to
  reflect the agreement that Wikimedia UK has made with Roger Bamkin and
  Terence Eden, while retaining the integrity of the original. Jay Walsh
 will
  be doing the same on the WMF side.
 
  If anyone has any questions please do let me know.
 
  Many thanks,
 
  Stevie
 
 
  On 11 February 2013 13:21, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
 
  wrote:
 
  This is something I'm liaising on with the WMF. The original copy was
 put
  together jointly between WMF and WMUK and I'm keen that any revisions
 are
  accepted by both sides. I'm hopeful that we can get this fixed today.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Stevie
 
 
  On 9 February 2013 20:40, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 wrote:
 
  On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keating 
 chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
  wrote:
   The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and
 qrwp.org
   domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK
 
  It would be a good idea to update
 
  
 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
 
  ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)
 
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  operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Roger Bamkin]

@Joe, you are ahead of me. Wikidata is a great opportunity to improve the
successful hit rate when we don't have a translation in icelandic or
whatever. We may not have an article on that Finnish politician but we may
well be able to tell you wikidata stuff that would tell you when she was
born and died. I think I would like that as a good and quick guide to who
she was.

@Tom - The privacy thing is an optimisation but as you say its a finesse to
the security which ha/Davids been 3rd party assessed as good. And I thank
you Tom particularly as you have been helping the project since its
inception.

:@Andy - Attribution? Well of course although though I see in other
conversations elsewhere that you should want to hide that you were backing
a idea in good faith and assuming that if people said it would be made
freely available then they meant it. Thanks very much

@Jennifer - can I buy you a beer? Its so nice to see someone who just likes
good news.

I would like to thank all the people who have created the thousands of new
articles and welcomed the new users and editors we have found. It rightly
belongs to the community.

Roger

On 9 February 2013 23:52, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:

 If we are looking at refactoring code then we should look at eventually
 moving to wikidata for language links.

 Joe
  On Feb 9, 2013 10:39 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote:
  On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org (mailto:
 t...@tommorris.org) wrote:
   Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
   remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both
 the
   letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.
 
 
  Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised
  statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find
  useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats.



 That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia
 database has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when.

 (Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly
 reasonable thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a
 security hole or a privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do
 when building a project like this. But now it has reached a point of
 maturity and is being taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that
 it is compliant with the expectations of Wikimedia users.)

 We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the
 non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and
 figure out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's
 easy enough to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of
 the code too.

 I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the
 Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in
 the relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the
 Foundation policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In
 addition, not holding on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data
 means that we minimise the potential for problems under the Data Protection
 Act or wider European data privacy law.

 I'd suggest that we resolve these issues as soon as possible. The QRpedia
 transfer was rather a slow process, it'd be nice if now that the transfer
 has been agreed, we can make sure that we resolve these kinds of issues in
 the next week or so (I rather prefer fixing issues when they exist only in
 my head rather than when people are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm
 happy to provide patches and code review in the next few days.

 WMUK staff/trustees: are there any plans for transferring the source code
 over to Wikimedia infrastructure (Gerrit etc.)?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[rupert THURNER]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
 On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote:
 On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org 
 (mailto:t...@tommorris.org) wrote:
  Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
  remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the
  letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.


 Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised
 statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find
 useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats.



 That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia database 
 has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when.

 (Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly 
 reasonable thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a security 
 hole or a privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do when 
 building a project like this. But now it has reached a point of maturity and 
 is being taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that it is compliant 
 with the expectations of Wikimedia users.)

 We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the 
 non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and 
 figure out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's 
 easy enough to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of the 
 code too.

 I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the 
 Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in the 
 relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the Foundation 
 policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In addition, not 
 holding on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data means that we 
 minimise the potential for problems under the Data Protection Act or wider 
 European data privacy law.

 ... that we resolve these kinds of issues in the next week or so (I rather 
 prefer fixing issues when they exist only in my head rather than when people 
 are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm happy to provide patches and code 
 review in the next few days.

i'd highly appreciate this, many thanks tom! and thanks as well for
reminding about policies, i suggested a task in the chapters
association s task list to make clear(er) in the important policies if
they should apply for the movement, and not only for the wmf:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Tasks

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Jessica Taylor]

@ Roger, I do like good news and beer. For beer you can call me Jennifer.

Jess


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:43 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
  On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote:
  On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org (mailto:
 t...@tommorris.org) wrote:
   Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
   remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both
 the
   letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.
 
 
  Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised
  statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find
  useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats.
 
 
 
  That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia
 database has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when.
 
  (Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly
 reasonable thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a
 security hole or a privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do
 when building a project like this. But now it has reached a point of
 maturity and is being taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that
 it is compliant with the expectations of Wikimedia users.)
 
  We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the
 non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and
 figure out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's
 easy enough to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of
 the code too.
 
  I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the
 Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in
 the relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the
 Foundation policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In
 addition, not holding on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data
 means that we minimise the potential for problems under the Data Protection
 Act or wider European data privacy law.
 
  ... that we resolve these kinds of issues in the next week or so (I
 rather prefer fixing issues when they exist only in my head rather than
 when people are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm happy to provide
 patches and code review in the next few days.

 i'd highly appreciate this, many thanks tom! and thanks as well for
 reminding about policies, i suggested a task in the chapters
 association s task list to make clear(er) in the important policies if
 they should apply for the movement, and not only for the wmf:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Tasks

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Chris Keating]

Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and
qrwp.orgdomains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will
maintain and
support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and
Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as
retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any
financial consideration for this.

I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to Wikimedia
UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes defining
our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA projects.
A fuller statement will follow.

Regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Joe Filceolaire]

Thanks to all involved. This sounds like a good solution.

Joe
On Feb 9, 2013 5:10 PM, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
 Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.orgdomains 
 will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and
 support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and
 Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as
 retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any
 financial consideration for this.

 I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to
 Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes
 defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA
 projects. A fuller statement will follow.

 Regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Thomas Dalton]

This is great news. Well the fuller announcement include an explanation of
why this took so long? It sounds like a very straightforward agreement...
On Feb 9, 2013 5:10 PM, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
 Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.orgdomains 
 will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and
 support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and
 Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as
 retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any
 financial consideration for this.

 I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to
 Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes
 defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA
 projects. A fuller statement will follow.

 Regards,

 Chris Keating


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[rupert THURNER]

excellent to hear! many thanks to you (wmuk) as well to terence and roger.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Chris Keating
chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Dear all,

 I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
 Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
 domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support
 the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and Terence
 will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as retaining
 their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any financial
 consideration for this.

 I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to Wikimedia
 UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes defining
 our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA projects. A
 fuller statement will follow.

 Regards,

 Chris Keating


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[David Gerard]

On 9 February 2013 17:41, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is great news. Well the fuller announcement include an explanation of
 why this took so long? It sounds like a very straightforward agreement...


You were on the board and don't remember the speed of charities?


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Roger Bamkin]

Why thank you Andreas, Joe etc

On 9 February 2013 17:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks indeed. Good luck to all going forward.

 Andreas


 On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks to all involved. This sounds like a good solution.

 Joe
 On Feb 9, 2013 5:10 PM, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
 Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and 
 qrwp.orgdomains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and
 support the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and
 Terence will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as
 retaining their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any
 financial consideration for this.

 I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to
 Wikimedia UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes
 defining our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA
 projects. A fuller statement will follow.

 Regards,

 Chris Keating


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[David Gerard]

On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
 remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the
 letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.
 I am happy to provide a simple patch to this end as well as a code
 checkover.
 It may be sensible to run QRpedia code through WMF formal code review for
 security checking.


+1 - the WMF privacy rules are harsh compared to many, but readers
love them so much they're actually a pretty good model, and I'd like
to talk e.g. the RationalWiki Foundation into formally adopting them
(we use them informally for a lot of stuff though not all). So this
should be considered a useful thing to do that users will love :-)


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Andy Mabbett]

On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
 Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
 remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the
 letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.

Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised
statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find
useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Jessica Taylor]

Thanks for the good news. Also, thanks to Roger and Terence for their hard
work and willingness to be honorary advisers without pay. Finally, thanks
to everyone like Andy who contributed to these projects. It's a testament
to how productive WMUK is as part of the Wikimedia movement.

Jess


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote:

 On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:
  The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
  domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and
 support
  the development of the QRpedia platform for the future.

 Hooray! Well done, Roger and Terence, and thank you.

  Roger and Terence will [retain] their moral rights of attribution

 I trust that that applies to those of us also credited, on
 QRpedia.org, for our contributions.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Andy Mabbett]

On 9 February 2013 17:10, Chris Keating chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
 domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK

It would be a good idea to update
http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/questions-and-answers-related-to-the-governance-review/
ASAP (which I appreciate might mean Monday)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Tom Morris]

On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote:
 On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org 
 (mailto:t...@tommorris.org) wrote:
  Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
  remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the
  letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.
 
 
 Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised
 statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find
 useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats.



That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia database 
has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when. 

(Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly reasonable 
thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a security hole or a 
privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do when building a 
project like this. But now it has reached a point of maturity and is being 
taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that it is compliant with the 
expectations of Wikimedia users.)

We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the 
non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and figure 
out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's easy enough 
to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of the code too.

I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the 
Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in the 
relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the Foundation 
policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In addition, not holding 
on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data means that we minimise 
the potential for problems under the Data Protection Act or wider European data 
privacy law.

I'd suggest that we resolve these issues as soon as possible. The QRpedia 
transfer was rather a slow process, it'd be nice if now that the transfer has 
been agreed, we can make sure that we resolve these kinds of issues in the next 
week or so (I rather prefer fixing issues when they exist only in my head 
rather than when people are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm happy to 
provide patches and code review in the next few days. 

WMUK staff/trustees: are there any plans for transferring the source code over 
to Wikimedia infrastructure (Gerrit etc.)?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[Joe Filceolaire]

If we are looking at refactoring code then we should look at eventually
moving to wikidata for language links.

Joe
 On Feb 9, 2013 10:39 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote:
  On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org (mailto:
 t...@tommorris.org) wrote:
   Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
   remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both
 the
   letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.
 
 
  Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised
  statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find
  useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats.



 That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia
 database has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when.

 (Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly
 reasonable thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a
 security hole or a privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do
 when building a project like this. But now it has reached a point of
 maturity and is being taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that
 it is compliant with the expectations of Wikimedia users.)

 We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the
 non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and
 figure out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's
 easy enough to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of
 the code too.

 I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the
 Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in
 the relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the
 Foundation policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In
 addition, not holding on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data
 means that we minimise the potential for problems under the Data Protection
 Act or wider European data privacy law.

 I'd suggest that we resolve these issues as soon as possible. The QRpedia
 transfer was rather a slow process, it'd be nice if now that the transfer
 has been agreed, we can make sure that we resolve these kinds of issues in
 the next week or so (I rather prefer fixing issues when they exist only in
 my head rather than when people are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm
 happy to provide patches and code review in the next few days.

 WMUK staff/trustees: are there any plans for transferring the source code
 over to Wikimedia infrastructure (Gerrit etc.)?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia updates

[Jon Davies]

He is meant to be on' gardening leave'  I hope his bosses/or other
gardeners don't find out what he has been up to!

Great work Terence (and nice to hear your voice yesterday)

Jon Davies.

On 31 July 2012 21:46, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 HI folks,

 QRpedia developer Terence Eden has a new job (congratulations,
 Terence!) and a week of leave, before he starts it. Rather than let
 him watch the Olympics we've kept him chained to a desk, hacking code.
 As a result, we have new improved stats pages, for example:

 http://qrpedia.org/stats.php?path=Monmouth

 You will see that there is a link to download all the data in CSV format:

 http://qrpedia.org/csv.php?path=Monmouth

 A link to the stats page is now on the main QRpedia.org page, when a
 code is generated.

 The old stats pages will be redirect to the new ones in a few weeks,
 because cool URIs don't change  ;-)

 If you have any requests for improvements - or have noticed any bugs -
 please report them using the bug tracking system at

http://code.google.com/p/qrwp/issues/list

 That way we can all track everyone's requests, and see what others
 have asked for before duplicating them.

 I'll update the project pages at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_QRpedia

 including the short how to guide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_QRpedia/user_guide

 after posting this.

 I'm sure that everyone using QRpedia will join me in thanking Terence
 for his efforts in responding to our support requests.

 Cheers,

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia at the Barton's Arms

[Andy Mabbett]

QRpedia is now in use at one of my favourite, er, I mean an historic
pub in Birmingham, England, The Barton's Arms:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bartons_Arms

a listed (legally protected) building, where Laurel and Hardy once
stayed, and even worked behind the bar!

Pictures on Commons:

   http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:QRpedia_codes_at_The_Bartons_Arms

Translations of the English Wikipedia article would be appreciated, please.

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia updates

[Andy Mabbett]

HI folks,

QRpedia developer Terence Eden has a new job (congratulations,
Terence!) and a week of leave, before he starts it. Rather than let
him watch the Olympics we've kept him chained to a desk, hacking code.
As a result, we have new improved stats pages, for example:

http://qrpedia.org/stats.php?path=Monmouth

You will see that there is a link to download all the data in CSV format:

http://qrpedia.org/csv.php?path=Monmouth

A link to the stats page is now on the main QRpedia.org page, when a
code is generated.

The old stats pages will be redirect to the new ones in a few weeks,
because cool URIs don't change  ;-)

If you have any requests for improvements - or have noticed any bugs -
please report them using the bug tracking system at

   http://code.google.com/p/qrwp/issues/list

That way we can all track everyone's requests, and see what others
have asked for before duplicating them.

I'll update the project pages at:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_QRpedia

including the short how to guide:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_QRpedia/user_guide

after posting this.

I'm sure that everyone using QRpedia will join me in thanking Terence
for his efforts in responding to our support requests.

Cheers,

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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia quick-start user guide

[Andy Mabbett]

By popular request, I've written a short guide to getting started with QRpedia:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_QRpedia/user_guide

suitable for showing to staff at GLAMs, and the custodians of historic
buildings, etc..

Thanks to John Cummings for his contributions.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Gordon Joly]

On 30/05/12 04:14, HJ Mitchell wrote:
I find QR codes a little hard to get excited about (perhaps because I 
don't own a smartphone). 
Another issue is that they are mysterious dots in a square. You don't 
know where they will take you. This is of course true of all encoded 
data, including the ubiquitous barcode.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcode

Supermarkets have barcodes created on the spot (for weighed goods etc) 
and can have some random results in terms of prices when you get to the 
checkout!


QRPr0n codes?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Roger Bamkin]

QRpedia has been reviewed very positively wrt security. The review notes
that the qrwp.org re-routing and that the urls are human readable as good
points. hmmm QRcode email spam? Is the takeup of QR codes that
enthusiastic? I'd be curious to see their scan rates :-)

On 30 May 2012 10:18, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 30 May 2012 10:12, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

  QRPr0n codes?


 Real-world porn spam. Spammers are already putting QR codes in email spam
 ...


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Deryck Chan]

I invoke rule 34 on QR codes.
On May 30, 2012 10:18 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 30 May 2012 10:12, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

  QRPr0n codes?


 Real-world porn spam. Spammers are already putting QR codes in email spam
 ...


 - d.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Richard Symonds]

I have just had to explain to the office what Rule 34 is. Thanks, Deryck :-)

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On 30 May 2012 13:13, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I invoke rule 34 on QR codes.
 On May 30, 2012 10:18 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 30 May 2012 10:12, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

  QRPr0n codes?


 Real-world porn spam. Spammers are already putting QR codes in email spam
 ...


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Andy Mabbett]

On 30 May 2012 10:12, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
 On 30/05/12 04:14, HJ Mitchell wrote:

[QR codes]

 Another issue is that they are mysterious dots in a square. You don't know
 where they will take you.

This is not an issue for the QRpedia codes at Moor Street,  nor in
Monmouth and elsewhere, which are labelled both Wikipedia (or
Monmouthpedia) and with the title of the target article.

Like any other innovation, QR codes can be used well, or badly. We aim
to use them well.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Thomas Dalton]

You knew there was a reason they kept you around!
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 I have just had to explain to the office what Rule 34 is. Thanks, Deryck
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 I invoke rule 34 on QR codes.
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  QRPr0n codes?


 Real-world porn spam. Spammers are already putting QR codes in email
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[Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Andy Mabbett]

Wikimedia UK press release about my QRpedia work at Birmingham Moor
Street Railway Station, from WikimediaUK:


http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/05/technological-landmark-for-award-winning-birmingham-moor-street-station-press-release/

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia press release: Technological landmark for award-winning Birmingham Moor Street station

[Richard Symonds]

I've been sitting in the office with Stevie listening to him ring round the
various railway magazines - it takes a while to explain QR codes to some of
them, but once you start mentioning combining modern technology with
preserved steam locomotives, you can hear their ears perking up...

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On 30 May 2012 00:03, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Wikimedia UK press release about my QRpedia work at Birmingham Moor
 Street Railway Station, from WikimediaUK:


 http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/05/technological-landmark-for-award-winning-birmingham-moor-street-station-press-release/

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