Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
Just to note, I've sent the screenshot directly to Brandon; I also forwarded a copy to this list but because of the size the email needs to go through moderation. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 08:55, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)
I just wanted to thank Bartosz for all the good work he's done here! It's great that finally installing a skin is consistent with installing an extension :) I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get started making their own skins? On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: I finally implemented most of the ideas discussed here into documentation, and I think I settled on something that should be acceptable to everyone. The canonical recommended way to do skins, and one we hopefully all agree on, is now described at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning#Skin_structure. Thanks for the comments! -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Who maintains GeoCrumbs? (a changeset waits for review)
On 7/14/14, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, GeoCrumbs is an extension deployed in Wikimedia servers: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoCrumbs It has no official maintainers, what about unofficial ones? Any volunteers? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers I imagine that's the situation for most of the extensions grandfathered in for wikivoyage. --bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
When all the bits on the sides are actually functional *and* it works in IE, presumably :-) On 14 July 2014 17:40, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org? On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Preliminary ogv.js integration for Ogg playback in Safari, IE
This is impressive Brion, really nice work. I can actually play multiple 160p clips at the same time on my iPhone 5S. I have no controls in iOS yet but other than that.. Really getting somewhere. DJ On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: I spent the weekend hacking at integration of my ogv.js JavaScript Ogg media player into TimedMediaHandler's embedded player widget. Patch set in progress: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/145756/ It's pretty much working in Safari 7 and IE 10/11, but needs various tweaks and fixes still. Some older browser versions should be supportable using a Flash cross-compile, but I haven't got that running in the embedding yet. Here's a wiki running the patch with some sample files: https://ogvjs-testing.wmflabs.org/ In the process I've noticed several issues with TimedMediaHandler and its dependencies when running on cutting-edge infrastructure; various bugs filed: HHVM issues: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67937 - players don't display (patch) * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67973 - job runner doesn't work Ubuntu Trusty video transcoding issues: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67953 .ogv transcodes broken (upstream; workaround) * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67951 .webm transcodes broken (upstream) And a Vagrant configuration issue: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67930 - no job runner for TMH role -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
This is awesome, thank you. but do you work on i18n? specially for RTL languages because in some languages (like Hebrew or Persian) it doesn't work correctly. Thank you Best On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org? On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Amir ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Strange mailing list behavior
So this evening, besides my one email to Wikimedia-l that got through, 2 others disappeared into thin air. Also, I just received an email in my Google account that was sent 11 hours ago. Can someone check for gremlins in the mail system? The problem might be on Google's end or in the mail system, I can't tell, but I suspect the mail system because mail sent to non-list addresses seems to get through ok. Thanks, Pine ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
Actually one annoyance I just found: I can't right-click on the talk page link. Is there any good reason to make this a Javascript thing rather than an ordinary link? On 14 July 2014 23:55, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Mathoid to production cluster
Hi Chris, me too. How can I implement in in beta labs? Best Moritz On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would really like to see this follow the standard deploy scheme: implement it in beta labs; then enable it for mediawiki.org and test2wiki; then enable it on production cluster nodes. -Chris On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Moritz Schubotz phy...@physikerwelt.de wrote: Hi, during the last year the math extension achieved a goal defined back in 2003. Support of MathML. In addition there is SVG support for MathML disabled browsers. (See http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.6179 for the details) I would like to give Wikipedia users a chance to test this new long awaited feature. Therefore we would need a mathoid instance that is accessible from the production cluster. Greg Grossmeier already created the required table in the database. (Sorry for the friction connected with this process) Currently the MathJax team is working on a phantom.js less method to render texvc to mathml and svg. Some days ago I have tested that it, and it works quite well. I would appreciate a discussion with ops that to figure out how this can be can go to production. The original idea was to use jenkins to build the mathoid debian package. Even though the debian package builds without any issues in the launchpad ppa repo jenkins can not build the package. If there is a reference project that uses jenkins to build debian packages that go to production this would really help to figure out what is different for mathoid and why the package building does not work even though it works on launchpad. Best Physikerwelt PS: I was informed that there is a related RT that I can not access https://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=6077 -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Moritz Schubotz ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Moritz Schubotz Telefon (Büro): +49 30 314 22784 Telefon (Privat):+49 30 488 27330 E-Mail: schub...@itp.physik.tu-berlin.de Web: http://www.physikerwelt.de Skype: Schubi87 ICQ: 200302764 Msn: mor...@schubotz.de ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Strange mailing list behavior
Apologies if this ends up being a duplicate, forwarding it along on Pine's request because he's been having mail issues and is concerned this one is also not getting through. It is also, of course, possible that my email will get stuck too and they will all appear later down the road together. So far I'm not seeing a huge pile of queued messages on ganglia (though there was a bit of a bump earlier). James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur -- Forwarded message -- From: Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:02 AM Subject: Strange mailing list behavior To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org So this evening, besides my one email to Wikimedia-l that got through, 2 others disappeared into thin air. Also, I just received an email in my Google account that was sent 11 hours ago. Can someone check for gremlins in the mail system? The problem might be on Google's end or in the mail system, I can't tell, but I suspect the mail system because mail sent to non-list addresses seems to get through ok. Thanks, Pine ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Anonymous editors IP addresses
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, at 23:34, Gilles Dubuc wrote: IP addresses are closely guarded for registered users, why wouldn't anonymous users be identified by a hash of their IP address in order to protect their privacy as well? While I don't horribly mind some changes in the direction you're writing, I think that: 1) Privacy is defined as The state of being free from unsanctioned intrusion. An IP, as a fundamental identifier, has as much to do with privacy as a car number you see on a street. (Anyone can look up a name by car number, in my area, which I expect to be common.) Firefox folks are, iirc, considering providing IP-based links in the new tab with one of the next releases. These links would include local shops and restaurants. I've seen some argue that such decision goes against privacy, but I think it's the wrong term. 2) There are other nicer things to enable for anonymous readers that would make their editing experience more efficient. Such things include enabling some preferences and features for these contributors, which may be useful to a group of people editing from one IP: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Musings_about_unregistered_contributors#Examples Gryllida. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants
Hi Lars, All we currently know about the 400 contributors, is that they have registered for the Hackathon and Wikimania. Only 20/400 are registered just for the hackathon. I am planning to send out a survey shorty to everyone who is registered for the hackathon to get a better idea of backgrounds and attendance intentions. Some of them may not have realized they were registering for a developers event. As far as what sessions will be at the hackathon: It all depends on what sessions are proposed by the participants. At https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon you can see already several introductory sessions and tutorials, with a few explicit invitations to non-developers (i.e. Translathon - Where developers meet translators). We expect to have diversity of sessions in terms of skills required and formats. We assume participants will have familiarity with software development, design, testing or documentation, and a genuine technical interest. We haven't thought about tutorials about using editor tools. Then again, the hackathon is an unconference-like event, which means that any session with offer, demand, and a slot available in the schedule is possible. See for instance https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014/Schedule , taking into account that many ad-hoc small activities were not scheduled there, and considering also that we expect a higher percentage of newcomers and power users / non-developers hackathon in London because of the wider Wikimania context. Again, if anyone has anything specific they would like to work on at the Hackathon please add it to the topics section soon: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon Along with my survey I will be also asking participants to indicate interest in proposed topics. Thanks! Rachel On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: On 07/08/2014 10:30 PM, Rachel Farrand wrote: This year we are expecting a very large turnout at the London Hackathon. Last I heard there were just under 400 people registered. Are those 400 already contributors to the code base, or does it include total newbies who never edited Wikipedia? When I signed up for participation in the hackathon, there was no way to indicate the level of skills. Are there other sessions that include tutorials, so the hackathon is a pure developer meeting? Or should the hackathon also cover tutorials on editing, uploading images, categorization, etc.? -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Scribunto, Lua 5.2, and forward compatibility for Module code
I reply inline below, but in brief, my general questions have been
answered. Thanks for the comprehensive reply.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:22 AM, gnosygnu gnosy...@gmail.com wrote:
* Will Scribunto support Lua 5.2 in the future? According to this
comment,
it may:
https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Scribunto/blob/master/Scribunto.php#L140
It may someday, but there's no hurry to change over. And changing over will
involve some rewriting of the sandboxing which will need security auditing.
See https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/139479/ for example.
Thanks for the link. I didn't know about the abandoned patch for 5.2, and
Tim's replies and links to the lua mailing thread made for interesting
reading.
Whenever Wikimedia decides to go to 5.2, the intermediate runtime between
5.1 and 5.2 may be the best way. For what it's worth, I did the same in
XOWA for Scribunto, and it wasn't that difficult. I used the Luaj project (
https://sourceforge.net/projects/luaj/files/luaj-3.0/3.0-beta2/), which is
a pretty faithful port of Lua 5.2. I then added a handful of patches to be
backward compatible with 5.1. The resulting version handles the Module code
for all Mainspace/Wikipedia articles in 20+ wikis (enwiki; ruwiki; dewiki;
enwiktionary; ruwikisource; etc). However, it didn't pick up more subtle
issues like the tonumber one (which returns a different value and doesn't
throw an error).
* If so, what is the best approach to ensure forward compatibility of
Module code for 5.2? Note that code that is valid for 5.1 may break in
5.2. (Again, see below for details)
** Should there be a reference page on MediaWiki or in the enwiki
Wikipedia
Namespace that details these breaking issues for other Module writers?
Feel free to create one.
Okay. I created
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_5.2_changes and
linked to it from
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto#Other_pages. Feel free
to (re)move it as necessary.
** Or should 5.1 vs 5.2 issues be corrected on a case-by-case basis for
each Module?
They'd have to be anyway.
Okay. I'll comment later on each of the cited Module's talk pages, and
recommend changes as per this thread.
** Or should they be left as is, as any future-proofing may be
unnecessary
and / or premature?
Possibly.
Okay.
* Lastly, is there a general purpose mailing list for Scribunto issues?
I've had a few technical questions in the past that have been painful to
sort out on my own. I'd like to think that there might be other Module
writers who would also be interested in a mailing list as well.
No. There are various talk pages on enwiki and other wikis that are used
for this purpose, although I don't remember the specifics offhand and am
too lazy to search right now. ;)
Understood. For the record, I wasn't able to find a central hub /
discussion page for Scribunto issues, though I'm probably looking in the
wrong places.
* In contrast, Lua 5.2 has code that only cares if a base is not
specified.
// http://www.lua.org/source/5.2/lbaselib.c.html
static int luaB_tonumber (lua_State *L) {
if (lua_isnoneornil(L, 2)) { /* standard conversion */
** If a base is specified, Lua 5.2 will not do the standard conversion,
and
instead try to parse the number
** This parse code only accepts alpha-numeric characters. The dot is
considered invalid, and any decimal number is converted to NIL
Possibly sensible since it removes a weird special case of base-10 being
different from all other bases.
Agreed. The earlier version induced a few head-scratches, but I kind of
wish the later version didn't just drop it altogether.
Finally, I've come across a related issue with the varargs operator
(...). This operator is valid in 5.1, but not in 5.2. I've seen some
Modules use this varargs operator, that will presumably just break in
5.2.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Horizontal_timeline and
function
getNotNilValue(...)
Note the 'arg' parameter is already deprecated in 5.1, so people should
already be avoiding it. See http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7.1
Agreed that it shouldn't be used. Unfortunately, there's at least one other
user who didn't realize it was deprecated. That's why I recommended
publicizing known 5.2 migration issues amongst Module editors. :)
--
Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
Software Engineer
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as supportive as possible. This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and understanding I think we can encourage that. - Trevor On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do. On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the Not logged in page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the Log in page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect to the log in page instead of showing that dumb Not logged in page? Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the existence of that page...? Cheers, Micru ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
The source is available now. Amir, could you try setting it up on RTL in labs? בתאריך 15 ביול 2014 14:02, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com כתב: This is awesome, thank you. but do you work on i18n? specially for RTL languages because in some languages (like Hebrew or Persian) it doesn't work correctly. Thank you Best On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org? On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Amir ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
I like it and I hope it gets to the point where it can be deployed as beta. And that right panel looks a perfect place for users to place some gadgets of their choice. That would be wonderful! On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as supportive as possible. This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and understanding I think we can encourage that. - Trevor On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do. On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
Yes, I think you may have a point, Trevor. The one thing that comes to my mind is that all the stuff at the right of the screen is what might be called the bottom matter from articles. Giving it primary place in an article, well above the majority of content is...well, suboptimal. It's at the bottom because it's really not all that important; links to other similar articles and other Wikimedia sites is (I'm going to be honest here) fluff, not content - especially those massive templates that take the place of proper categorization. I get the visual theory behind having it there; the problem isn't really the format, it's the quality and relative importance of the information. Risker On 14 July 2014 16:06, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as supportive as possible. This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and understanding I think we can encourage that. - Trevor On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do. On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the Not logged in page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the Log in page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect to the log in page instead of showing that dumb Not logged in page? Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the existence of that page...? There is some old discussion on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484, which asks for the same thing. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants
We should probably update parts of The laptop setup guide https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathon/Laptop_setup, which is linked from the Hackathon coordination page. I notice there are a few parts that are still in their 2012 state, which probably could use a bit of updating (Like using Smultron on OSX, now a $5 paid app). I have just added a link to the Git section about http://pcottle.github.io/learnGitBranching/, which I think is a nice online exercise for git cli beginners. DJ On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rachel Farrand rfarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Lars, All we currently know about the 400 contributors, is that they have registered for the Hackathon and Wikimania. Only 20/400 are registered just for the hackathon. I am planning to send out a survey shorty to everyone who is registered for the hackathon to get a better idea of backgrounds and attendance intentions. Some of them may not have realized they were registering for a developers event. As far as what sessions will be at the hackathon: It all depends on what sessions are proposed by the participants. At https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon you can see already several introductory sessions and tutorials, with a few explicit invitations to non-developers (i.e. Translathon - Where developers meet translators). We expect to have diversity of sessions in terms of skills required and formats. We assume participants will have familiarity with software development, design, testing or documentation, and a genuine technical interest. We haven't thought about tutorials about using editor tools. Then again, the hackathon is an unconference-like event, which means that any session with offer, demand, and a slot available in the schedule is possible. See for instance https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014/Schedule , taking into account that many ad-hoc small activities were not scheduled there, and considering also that we expect a higher percentage of newcomers and power users / non-developers hackathon in London because of the wider Wikimania context. Again, if anyone has anything specific they would like to work on at the Hackathon please add it to the topics section soon: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon Along with my survey I will be also asking participants to indicate interest in proposed topics. Thanks! Rachel On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: On 07/08/2014 10:30 PM, Rachel Farrand wrote: This year we are expecting a very large turnout at the London Hackathon. Last I heard there were just under 400 people registered. Are those 400 already contributors to the code base, or does it include total newbies who never edited Wikipedia? When I signed up for participation in the hackathon, there was no way to indicate the level of skills. Are there other sessions that include tutorials, so the hackathon is a pure developer meeting? Or should the hackathon also cover tutorials on editing, uploading images, categorization, etc.? -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)
On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote: I just wanted to thank Bartosz for all the good work he's done here! It's great that finally installing a skin is consistent with installing an extension :) I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get started making their own skins? Theoretically that's what the skins/Example repository should be for, but it seems to be empty at present. -I ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Mathoid to production cluster
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Moritz Schubotz phy...@physikerwelt.de wrote: Hi Chris, me too. How can I implement in in beta labs? I'd say to start by filing a bugzilla ticket for Wikimedia Labs/deployment-prep. Then it is a matter of registering the proper extensions and config in puppet. Would mathoid need a dedicated host? Best Moritz On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would really like to see this follow the standard deploy scheme: implement it in beta labs; then enable it for mediawiki.org and test2wiki; then enable it on production cluster nodes. -Chris On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Moritz Schubotz phy...@physikerwelt.de wrote: Hi, during the last year the math extension achieved a goal defined back in 2003. Support of MathML. In addition there is SVG support for MathML disabled browsers. (See http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.6179 for the details) I would like to give Wikipedia users a chance to test this new long awaited feature. Therefore we would need a mathoid instance that is accessible from the production cluster. Greg Grossmeier already created the required table in the database. (Sorry for the friction connected with this process) Currently the MathJax team is working on a phantom.js less method to render texvc to mathml and svg. Some days ago I have tested that it, and it works quite well. I would appreciate a discussion with ops that to figure out how this can be can go to production. The original idea was to use jenkins to build the mathoid debian package. Even though the debian package builds without any issues in the launchpad ppa repo jenkins can not build the package. If there is a reference project that uses jenkins to build debian packages that go to production this would really help to figure out what is different for mathoid and why the package building does not work even though it works on launchpad. Best Physikerwelt PS: I was informed that there is a related RT that I can not access https://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=6077 -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Moritz Schubotz ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Moritz Schubotz Telefon (Büro): +49 30 314 22784 Telefon (Privat):+49 30 488 27330 E-Mail: schub...@itp.physik.tu-berlin.de Web: http://www.physikerwelt.de Skype: Schubi87 ICQ: 200302764 Msn: mor...@schubotz.de ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: Composer managed libraries for use on WMF cluster
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have converted my email on using composer to manage a set of library dependencies for MediaWiki-Core [0] into an RFC [1]. Work is continuing on the implementation of this project, but there are still debatable implementation details and the RFC process is meant to not only validate ideas but leave behind a record of the design decisions that have been made and trade offs that were considered in the process. In particular, the current draft RFC omits discussion of the concept of library ownership for long term updates and security fixes and could use more detail around the process of forking, patching and subsequently maintaining a external library. I will attempt to fill in some of these details as I see them over the next day or so, but now would be a great time for people with strong ideas or opinions on these aspects to comment on the talk page. [0]: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/467520?page=last [1]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Composer_managed_libraries_for_use_on_WMF_cluster Thanks in no small part to a reminder from Sumana, I have updated the RFC for Composer managed libraries for use on WMF cluster. Much of the initial work required for this RFC has now been implemented: * The mediawiki/core/vendor.git gerrit repository has been created. * make-wmf-branch has been updated to branch mediawiki/core/vendor and add it as a submodule on new 1.XwmfY branches. * The beta cluster is tracking the current HEAD of mediawiki/core/vendor's master branch. * The PSR-3 logging interface and Monolog libraries have been added to mediawiki/core/vendor via gerrit commits. * Work is progressing to configure Jenkins/Zuul to checkout mediawiki/core/vendor during test runs. I would appreciate feedback on the RFC. In particular I would like to see discussion on how we should manage tracking upstream vulnerabilities and security patches for deployed libraries. How should we assign ownership of maintaining a particular library and what techniques can we use to ensure that vulnerabilities are patched in a timely and responsible manner? Bryan -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Strange mailing list behavior
Outage report: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation/2014-07-14-Lists SPOILER: Should be better now. quote name=Pine W date=2014-07-15 time=01:02:20 -0700 So this evening, besides my one email to Wikimedia-l that got through, 2 others disappeared into thin air. Also, I just received an email in my Google account that was sent 11 hours ago. Can someone check for gremlins in the mail system? The problem might be on Google's end or in the mail system, I can't tell, but I suspect the mail system because mail sent to non-list addresses seems to get through ok. Thanks, Pine ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia engineering report, June 2014
Hi, The report covering Wikimedia engineering activities in June 2014 is now available. Wiki version: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Report/2014/June Blog version: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/ We're also proposing a shorter, simpler and translatable version of this report that does not assume specialized technical knowledge: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Report/2014/June/summary Below is the HTML text of the report. As always, feedback is appreciated on the usefulness of the report and its summary, and on how to improve them. -- Major news in June include: - the release of the new Wikipedia for Android app https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/25/revamped-wikipedia-app-now-available-on-android/, preceded by its beta version https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/05/new-wikipedia-android-app-beta/; - the decision to move away from Bugzilla in favor of Phabricator https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/10/on-our-way-to-phabricator/; - A new tablet view for Wikimedia sites https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/17/wikimedia-sites-get-a-new-look-on-tablets/ . *Note: We’re also providing a shorter, simpler and translatable version of this report https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Report/2014/June/summary that does not assume specialized technical knowledge.* Engineering metrics in June: - 151 unique committers contributed patchsets of code to MediaWiki. - The total number of unresolved commits https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,status:open+project:%255Emediawiki.*,n,z went from around 1440 to about 1575. - About 14 shell requests https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Shell_requests were processed. Contents - Upcoming events https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Upcoming_events - Personnel https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Personnel - Work with us https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Work_with_us - Announcements https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Announcements - Technical Operations https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Technical_Operations - Features Engineering https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Features_Engineering - Editor retention: Editing tools https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Editor_retention:_Editing_tools - Core Features https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Core_Features - Growth https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Growth - Support https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Support - Mobile https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Mobile - Language Engineering https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Language_Engineering - Platform Engineering https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Platform_Engineering - MediaWiki Core https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#MediaWiki_Core - Quality assurance https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Quality_assurance - Multimedia https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Multimedia - Engineering Community Team https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Engineering_Community_Team - Analytics https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Analytics - Wikidata https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Wikidata - Future https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/15/engineering-report-june-2014/#Future Personnel Work with us https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us Are you looking to work for Wikimedia? We have a lot of hiring coming up, and we really love talking to active community members about these roles. - VP of Engineering http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qSa9VfwQcs=9UL9Vfwtpage=Job%20Descriptionj=ods8Xfwu - Software Engineer – Front-end (VisualEditor) http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qSa9VfwQcs=9UL9Vfwtpage=Job%20Descriptionj=o8jyYfwH - Software Engineer – Services http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qSa9VfwQcs=9UL9Vfwtpage=Job%20Descriptionj=oAhYYfwx - Software Engineer – Internationalization http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qSa9VfwQcs=9UL9Vfwtpage=Job%20Descriptionj=oH3gXfwH - Software Engineer – Front-end http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qSa9VfwQcs=9UL9Vfwtpage=Job%20Descriptionj=oxgWYfwr - Software
Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)
Thanks for the info Isarra! Does anyone want to make it not empty...? :) I'll personally +2 any changes if the author sends me a private email to the patchsets! On 15 Jul 2014 07:39, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote: I just wanted to thank Bartosz for all the good work he's done here! It's great that finally installing a skin is consistent with installing an extension :) I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get started making their own skins? Theoretically that's what the skins/Example repository should be for, but it seems to be empty at present. -I ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Deprecating print-on-demand functionality
The new renderer should already be working in Hebrew and other RTLs. ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: Any plans also to improve this module and make it work well also in Hebrew (and maybe other RTL languages)? On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: so the Book Creator will still be active, maybe under another name, maybe with another engine, but still active? Same name and functionality, just the Order a printed book feature will disappear. Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: Hadoop and Beyond. An overview of Analytics infrastructure, Tuesday!
This Tech Talk will be starting in 30 minuets. Thanks! On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Rachel Farrand rfarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello! Please join Nuria Ruiz and Andrew Otto next Tuesday, July 15th at 10am SF time/5pm UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Analytics+Tech+Talkiso=20140715T10p1=224am=30 for a 30 min tech talk. You can join our hangout or follow along on youtube: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/103470172168784626509/events/c53ho5esd0luccd09a1c30rlrmg (please note that a link to join the hangout will be posted in the comments of this event just as it starts). You can follow ask questions on IRC during the talk in #wikimedia-dev. If you are not able to follow along live, a video recording will be posted here https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/103470172168784626509/103470172168784626509/videos, to the MediaWiki YouTube channel immediately following the tech talk for you to view at any time. More information about the tech talk: *Hadoop and Beyond. An overview of Analytics infrastructure*In this tech talk we will be presenting the analytics infrastructure that we have recently rolled out in production. By now probably everybody knows that wikimedia hosts an instance of hadoop from which we are going to extract pageview data in the near future. But .. how exactly does the data get there? We will go over the path that webrequest log data takes from varnish to kafka (a distributed log buffer) to hadoop and the challenges of deploying this java-based infrastructure in production. We will also talk about how can we query the data with hive, an SQL-like interface. How can you set up this stack on vagrant to play with and, last but not least, how we used hive recently to provide GLAM folks with image view stats: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMwiki_Toolset_Project/NARA_analytics_pilot Thanks! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Anonymous editors IP addresses
(a little off topic diversion) On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 06:22:17PM +1000, Gryllida wrote: An IP, as a fundamental identifier, has as much to do with privacy as a car number you see on a street. (Anyone can look up a name by car number, in my area, which I expect to be common.) Actually numberplates were originally conceived as a privacy enhancing technology. The first numberplates had peoples' names on them, but that was considered too intrusive. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: We should probably update parts of The laptop setup guide https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathon/Laptop_setup, which is linked from the Hackathon coordination page. The MediaWiki-vagrant troupe should take over that part. -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants
On 7/9/14, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: On 07/08/2014 10:30 PM, Rachel Farrand wrote: This year we are expecting a very large turnout at the London Hackathon. Last I heard there were just under 400 people registered. Are those 400 already contributors to the code base, or does it include total newbies who never edited Wikipedia? I doubt there even exists 400 active contributors to our code base, so probably not all are active contributors to our code base. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants
On 14 July 2014 17:38, Rachel Farrand rfarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Lars, All we currently know about the 400 contributors, is that they have registered for the Hackathon and Wikimania. Only 20/400 are registered just for the hackathon. I am planning to send out a survey shorty to everyone who is registered for the hackathon to get a better idea of backgrounds and attendance intentions. Some of them may not have realized they were registering for a developers event. A fair number of people who were planning to attend other events or activities on those two days registered for the hackathon because it was the only way to show that they would be around on Tuesday and Wednesday. You're not going to get 400 developers. You'll probably get about 15% more people than what you had in Washington in 2012. The rest of us will just be hanging around and being annoying distractions :) Risker/Anne ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Email for London Hackathon Participants
According to http://korma.wmflabs.org/browser/ we have had over a thousand contributors to MediaWiki, with about 136 regular developers. Wikimedia developers to me includes people who improve MediaWiki core, gadgets, templates, user scripts, bots and tools and apps that use our API or dumps, etc. So it's totally feasible to imagine an event that gathers 400 of those people. But I'm not involved in Wikimania hackathon planning (and will not be at the hackathon), and I don't know what proportions y'all should expect. Sumana Harihareswara Senior Technical Writer Wikimedia Foundation On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/9/14, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: On 07/08/2014 10:30 PM, Rachel Farrand wrote: This year we are expecting a very large turnout at the London Hackathon. Last I heard there were just under 400 people registered. Are those 400 already contributors to the code base, or does it include total newbies who never edited Wikipedia? I doubt there even exists 400 active contributors to our code base, so probably not all are active contributors to our code base. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Preliminary ogv.js integration for Ogg playback in Safari, IE
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: This is impressive Brion, really nice work. I can actually play multiple 160p clips at the same time on my iPhone 5S. Thanks! :) Note that performance in Safari should improve further on iOS 8 and OS X 10.10, which enable WebGL in the browser -- this approximately halves the CPU requirements by combining YUV-RGB colorspace conversion into the drawing step on the GPU. Who ever said JavaScript had to be slow, eh? ;) I have no controls in iOS yet but other than that.. Really getting somewhere. Currently seeking and volume control are not supported so the controls are indeed very minimal... I'm not quite sure why the resolution selector doesn't show on the control bar, I'll have to poke it some more. (Maybe it depends on seeking?) I think I can partially implement seeking in Safari since it actually progressively downloads the entire file into a memory buffer (!) but doing it properly will require either a server-side addition to do streaming chunks, or MPEG DASH-style pre-splitting of a/v streams into small files that can be individually loaded via a series of small XMLHTTPRequest hits (see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42591 and links for background on MPEG DASH and the WebM streaming profile; presumably I'd either have to implement WebM decoding in addition to Ogg or devise a DASH profile for the Ogg container). -- brion DJ On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: I spent the weekend hacking at integration of my ogv.js JavaScript Ogg media player into TimedMediaHandler's embedded player widget. Patch set in progress: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/145756/ It's pretty much working in Safari 7 and IE 10/11, but needs various tweaks and fixes still. Some older browser versions should be supportable using a Flash cross-compile, but I haven't got that running in the embedding yet. Here's a wiki running the patch with some sample files: https://ogvjs-testing.wmflabs.org/ In the process I've noticed several issues with TimedMediaHandler and its dependencies when running on cutting-edge infrastructure; various bugs filed: HHVM issues: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67937 - players don't display (patch) * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67973 - job runner doesn't work Ubuntu Trusty video transcoding issues: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67953 .ogv transcodes broken (upstream; workaround) * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67951 .webm transcodes broken (upstream) And a Vagrant configuration issue: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67930 - no job runner for TMH role -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
Yes someone please submit a patch and I will help us get a fix for this merged. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the Not logged in page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the Log in page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect to the log in page instead of showing that dumb Not logged in page? Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the existence of that page...? There is some old discussion on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484, which asks for the same thing. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146515 -- Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF From: Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com Reply: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: July 15, 2014 at 14:32:19 To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page Yes someone please submit a patch and I will help us get a fix for this merged. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the Not logged in page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the Log in page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect to the log in page instead of showing that dumb Not logged in page? Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the existence of that page...? There is some old discussion on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484, which asks for the same thing. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
Would this return the user to the page that was originally requested, and from which they were diverted? I ask because a lot of people bookmark their watchlist as the easiest way to wind up where they want to be. Getting a log-in screen first if they're not already logged in would work fine, but then they'd want to be sent back to the watchlist. Risker/Anne On 15 July 2014 14:49, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146515 -- Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF From: Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com Reply: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: July 15, 2014 at 14:32:19 To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page Yes someone please submit a patch and I will help us get a fix for this merged. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the Not logged in page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the Log in page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect to the log in page instead of showing that dumb Not logged in page? Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the existence of that page...? There is some old discussion on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484, which asks for the same thing. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes). -- Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF From: Risker risker...@gmail.com Reply: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: July 15, 2014 at 15:04:18 To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page Would this return the user to the page that was originally requested, and from which they were diverted? I ask because a lot of people bookmark their watchlist as the easiest way to wind up where they want to be. Getting a log-in screen first if they're not already logged in would work fine, but then they'd want to be sent back to the watchlist. Risker/Anne On 15 July 2014 14:49, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/146515 -- Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF From: Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com Reply: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: July 15, 2014 at 14:32:19 To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page Yes someone please submit a patch and I will help us get a fix for this merged. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:00:04 +0200, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes while not logged in I try to access my Watchlist and then the Not logged in page appears. It is quite useless since then you have to click again to go to the Log in page. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect to the log in page instead of showing that dumb Not logged in page? Or perhaps I am missing some hidden use or reasoning behind the existence of that page...? There is some old discussion on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15484, which asks for the same thing. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] flow allows to mail change?
hi does flow allow to mail the added text. and allows to reply via mail? rupert ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] flow allows to mail change?
We haven't added this feature to Flow yet. We'll have to work on email notifications sometime this fall. We haven't thought about allowing replies via mail; thanks for the suggestion! Danny On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:10 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: hi does flow allow to mail the added text. and allows to reply via mail? rupert ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] CentralNotice Caching Overhaul - Frontend Proxy RfC
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/CentralNotice_Caching_Overhaul_-_Frontend_Proxy Matt Walker, praise be upon him, has just massively revised this RfC. See the update for new details on URL unification, Varnish usage, and estimated usage. It's now ready for another review pass, so have at it. :-) Sumana Harihareswara Senior Technical Writer Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? Through the magic of the new search API. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
I have gotten said screenshot, and it matched exactly what I saw in IE 9 earlier this morning. The problem was a missing DOCTYPE, which, when added, broke a bunch of other stuff, which I have now fixed and deployed. So it should work on IE now just fine. I also fixed a metric ton of the issues with the responsive code, so that should be working as well. /scramble, scramble, scramble. On Jul 14, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Just to note, I've sent the screenshot directly to Brandon; I also forwarded a copy to this list but because of the size the email needs to go through moderation. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? Through the magic of the new search API. Very old API, new backend with better results :) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
On 15 July 2014 22:09, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: /scramble, scramble, scramble. The curse of doing something people like! - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Product] Winter, v. 0.6
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? Through the magic of the new search API. If you like that, you're also going to like upcoming work from the Growth team on task suggestions for things to edit. It's powered by the same search API. :) -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Product] Winter, v. 0.6
Dear Amir, I set up wikitest RTL and added winter to it (but I don't know why the winter doesn't connect to my database, I haven't checked it very carefully to see how that's possible) Anyway the RTL wiki is here: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitest-rtl/w/ and winter framework is accessible by this url: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitest-rtl/w/winter/index.html?page=%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%A3lang=he Best On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that? Through the magic of the new search API. If you like that, you're also going to like upcoming work from the Growth team on task suggestions for things to edit. It's powered by the same search API. :) -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Amir ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes). The other exception is when you are already logged in (in which case you get a very confusing form telling you to log in as another user). This change makes that behavior much more annoying when e.g. you have to restart your browser and are logged out in the process: all open tabs are redirected to Special:Userlogin, and you have to log in a dozen times, or manually edit URLs. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
This seems like a bit of an edge case. If you are worried about this then I would say you want to check the keep me logged in box... On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes). The other exception is when you are already logged in (in which case you get a very confusing form telling you to log in as another user). This change makes that behavior much more annoying when e.g. you have to restart your browser and are logged out in the process: all open tabs are redirected to Special:Userlogin, and you have to log in a dozen times, or manually edit URLs. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:38:52 +0200, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote: I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get started making their own skins? Theoretically that's what the skins/Example repository should be for, but it seems to be empty at present. Yes, it's on my to-do list. I'm planning to do this tomorrow. -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: This seems like a bit of an edge case. If you are worried about this then I would say you want to check the keep me logged in box... For some of us power users, it will be an edge case we hit annoyingly regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc. Irrespective of that, instead of redirecting to Special:UserLogin, the login box could appear, with the form submission being processed at Special:UserLogin. Crazy idea, I know, but lots of other software does that. Another approach, which IMO should be done as a fallback, is to use an approach similar to 'action=editredlink=1' and 'redirect=no' to state in the URL that the user doesnt want to login a second time, but would like to be logged in and return to another page. i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginreturnto=Special%3AWatchlistskipifloggedin=1 If they reload that URL while logged in, it wont ask for login. This would be similar to the API assert=bot/user logic. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Assert -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] git-review 1.24 broken?
On 07/10/2014 05:09 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Adrian Lang adrian.l...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Moriel Schottlender mor...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that the native package doesn't work correctly. Or, if that's no longer true, we should update the docs. 1.23-2 works great for me. I was using the distro package of git review for both FC and Ubuntu for a long time without issues, so I think our docs should be updated to recommend that, and document any issues with (older) distro versions. Done at https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gerrit/git-reviewdiff=1068642oldid=1068048 . If you hit an issue and want to put it back, please note the details. Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc. Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why it is occurring and let's get that dealt with.:) We shouldn't be designing features for edge cases! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc. Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why it is occurring and let's get that dealt with.:) We shouldn't be designing features for edge cases! Logout was discussed recently on the QA list [0]. The discussion lead to Jon Robson pointing out bug 49890 [1] where Chris Steipp stated that logout is global. [0]:https://www.mail-archive.com/qa@lists.wikimedia.org/msg01559.html [1]: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere
(Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability problem a few times now. Currently if I log out of a public computer it logs me out of my tablet device,mobile device and home computer. :( See bug for reference [1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 On 15 Jul 2014 18:38, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc. Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why it is occurring and let's get that dealt with.:) We shouldn't be designing features for edge cases! Logout was discussed recently on the QA list [0]. The discussion lead to Jon Robson pointing out bug 49890 [1] where Chris Steipp stated that logout is global. [0]:https://www.mail-archive.com/qa@lists.wikimedia.org/msg01559.html [1]: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability problem a few times now. Currently if I log out of a public computer it logs me out of my tablet device,mobile device and home computer. :( See bug for reference [1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 Yes, this is terrible UX. Logging out or in should only apply to one device. On 15 Jul 2014 18:38, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org javascript:; wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc. Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why it is occurring and let's get that dealt with.:) We shouldn't be designing features for edge cases! Logout was discussed recently on the QA list [0]. The discussion lead to Jon Robson pointing out bug 49890 [1] where Chris Steipp stated that logout is global. [0]:https://www.mail-archive.com/qa@lists.wikimedia.org/msg01559.html [1]: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 -- Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundationbd...@wikimedia.org javascript:; [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA irc: bd808v:415.839.6885 x6855 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere
On 15 July 2014 22:28, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability problem a few times now. Currently if I log out of a public computer it logs me out of my tablet device,mobile device and home computer. :( See bug for reference [1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 Yes, this is terrible UX. Logging out or in should only apply to one device. Or alternately have a log out on this device/log out everywhere option. Risker/Anne ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere
On 16/07/14 02:50, Risker wrote: On 15 July 2014 22:28, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability problem a few times now. Currently if I log out of a public computer it logs me out of my tablet device,mobile device and home computer. :( See bug for reference [1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 Yes, this is terrible UX. Logging out or in should only apply to one device. Or alternately have a log out on this device/log out everywhere option. Aye, they should be separated. The need to log out everywhere is a special case, but a potentially important one, as there are instances when users will want to forcibly log out devices they may not have direct access to (usually specifically because they don't have direct access to them). It's the sort of thing we'd want to have a special page/action for, but one that's not necessarily prominent - while the normal logout would be on every page, this would only be linked from the preferences, or something. -I ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere
I've actually found this to be a rather big pet peeve of mine w/ CentralAuth over the years. It would seem that logging out in CentralAuth means deleting everything in the cache with the user's info in it. I'd prefer that we did Google's system that, in addition to allowing a separate sign out all other sessions option, also allows users to monitor which IP addresses their account was accessed from (which however would be akin to self CheckUser and might run afoul of our privacy policy). On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/07/14 02:50, Risker wrote: On 15 July 2014 22:28, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability problem a few times now. Currently if I log out of a public computer it logs me out of my tablet device,mobile device and home computer. :( See bug for reference [1] [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890 Yes, this is terrible UX. Logging out or in should only apply to one device. Or alternately have a log out on this device/log out everywhere option. Aye, they should be separated. The need to log out everywhere is a special case, but a potentially important one, as there are instances when users will want to forcibly log out devices they may not have direct access to (usually specifically because they don't have direct access to them). It's the sort of thing we'd want to have a special page/action for, but one that's not necessarily prominent - while the normal logout would be on every page, this would only be linked from the preferences, or something. -I ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere
quote name=Jasper Deng date=2014-07-15 time=21:50:18 -0700 I'd prefer that we did Google's system that, in addition to allowing a separate sign out all other sessions option, also allows users to monitor which IP addresses their account was accessed from (which however would be akin to self CheckUser and might run afoul of our privacy policy). https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27242 and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AccountInfo -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Strange mailing list behavior
Thank you very much. When there are technical issues such as this email issue, Wikipedia pages not loading, and so on, is there a page or mailing list (ironic, I know) where alerts should be visible? I'm familiar with the IRC tech channel but I am hoping there is a webpage or mailing list that anyone could access through a desktop or mobile web browser. Thanks, Pine On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Outage report: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation/2014-07-14-Lists SPOILER: Should be better now. quote name=Pine W date=2014-07-15 time=01:02:20 -0700 So this evening, besides my one email to Wikimedia-l that got through, 2 others disappeared into thin air. Also, I just received an email in my Google account that was sent 11 hours ago. Can someone check for gremlins in the mail system? The problem might be on Google's end or in the mail system, I can't tell, but I suspect the mail system because mail sent to non-list addresses seems to get through ok. Thanks, Pine ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Strange mailing list behavior
On Jul 16, 2014 1:42 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: When there are technical issues such as this email issue, Wikipedia pages not loading, and so on, is there a page or mailing list (ironic, I know) where alerts should be visible? I'm familiar with the IRC tech channel but I am hoping there is a webpage or mailing list that anyone could access through a desktop or mobile web browser. This list, status.wikimedia.org, nagios web interface, and #wikimedia-tech/#wikimedia-operations both have logs available by HTTP. (usually they lag less than a second behind.) If you follow the link to the page report you'll see it says this particular service needs better nagios coverage. oh, whoops, s/nagios/icinga/g :-) -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page
e.g. you have to restart your browser and are logged out in the process: all open tabs are redirected to Special:Userlogin, and you have to log in a dozen times, or manually edit URLs. Is there any use case for this scenario why to have a login page when returnto/returntoquery is set and you are already logged in? My idea behind this: You have to reload the page in all cases (with redirect to login and without, with a reload using browser (F5 e.g.) or with a click on login on login page). So maybe the following implementation helps: If you are already logged in and returnto/returntoquery is set, you will be redirect to the returnto location directly without the you are already loggedin, login with another account screen. So, to come back to your use case, you login in one tab and hit F5 to all other tabs and will be redirected to the pages you requested as a logged in user. Just an idea :) Kind regards Florian Am 2014-07-16 00:35, schrieb Gergo Tisza: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Actually, that is existing functionality. Special:Userlogin will redirect users if the returnto (and optionally returntoquery) are specified. (The only exception is if a hook intervenes). The other exception is when you are already logged in (in which case you get a very confusing form telling you to log in as another user). This change makes that behavior much more annoying when e.g. you have to restart your browser and are logged out in the process: all open tabs are redirected to Special:Userlogin, and you have to log in a dozen times, or manually edit URLs. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
