Re: [Wikitech-l] Introduction

2017-03-20 Thread David Gerard 
On 20 March 2017 at 01:03, MZMcBride  wrote:

> In the footer of every Wikimedia wiki, there should be a "Developers" link
> that leads to .
> You can see this link at 
> or  or
> . Suggestions for more
> places to put this link or better text to make it more obvious are always
> welcome, of course. :-)


+1 !!


- d.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Introduction

2017-03-20 Thread rupert THURNER 
On Mar 19, 2017 2:17 PM, "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)" 
wrote:

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 7:23 AM, rupert THURNER 
wrote:

> where is this beginners page hidden,


Is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker what
you're looking for?


> and why are google, bing, and duckduckgo not able to find it?
>

I don't know. When I try that search on Google the above page shows up as
the 9th result, even in a private browsing session with a different browser
from a different IP.


Really? What keywords are you using?

Rupert
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] Internet Explorer 9 will be JavaScript-less starting April 2017

2017-03-20 Thread Tilman Bayer 
BTW, when looking at these stats, note also that the percentage for
IE7 (2.9% recently) is likely inflated due to unidentified bot
traffic:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148461#3011175
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157404

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:07 AM, James Forrester
 wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 at 07:19 Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Great news!
>>
>> Have we considered dropping IE 10 to grade C given Microsoft ended support
>> for it more than a year ago and it seems to be as low as IE 9 (only a 0.24%
>> *[1]*)?
>>
>
> Certainly, that would be the next step. I think that the additional burden
> of IE10 over IE11 is relatively slight, so I'd probably recommend keeping
> it in Grade A for at least a few months more, unless there's an urgent
> need. As always, each non-core feature needs to decide for itself what
> support level is provided for older browsers.
>
> (Last week, IE10 is down to 0.22%, BTW — lower than IE4, let alone IE6.)
>
>
>> Also, a question. Does this mean we don't need to explicitly list the
>> *es5-shim* any more?
>>
>
> Yes, this will mean that. But not until the patch[*] is merged, at which
> point depending on es5-shim will become a no-op with a deprecation notice
> (and I'll do patches to fix up WMF-production extensions).
>
> [*] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/340893/
> --
>
> James D. Forrester
> Lead Product Manager, Editing
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> jforrester at wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] Internet Explorer 9 will be JavaScript-less starting April 2017

2017-03-20 Thread James Forrester 
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 at 07:19 Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Great news!
>
> Have we considered dropping IE 10 to grade C given Microsoft ended support
> for it more than a year ago and it seems to be as low as IE 9 (only a 0.24%
> *[1]*)?
>

Certainly, that would be the next step. I think that the additional burden
of IE10 over IE11 is relatively slight, so I'd probably recommend keeping
it in Grade A for at least a few months more, unless there's an urgent
need. As always, each non-core feature needs to decide for itself what
support level is provided for older browsers.

(Last week, IE10 is down to 0.22%, BTW — lower than IE4, let alone IE6.)


> Also, a question. Does this mean we don't need to explicitly list the
> *es5-shim* any more?
>

Yes, this will mean that. But not until the patch[*] is merged, at which
point depending on es5-shim will become a no-op with a deprecation notice
(and I'll do patches to fix up WMF-production extensions).

[*] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/340893/
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Lead Product Manager, Editing
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
jforrester at wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Special:AllPages (temporarily) disabled on all wikis

2017-03-20 Thread Samuele Mantani 
Great thanks very much. I insert the warning in the projects in which I am
admin (on it.wikiversity beta.wikiversity test.wikipedia and
test2.wikipedia)

Samuele2002

Il 20/Mar/2017 04:49 PM, "Amir Ladsgroup"  ha scritto:

> You can add a note in Mediawiki:Allpages-summary in your wiki (only admins
> can do it)
>
> Best
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:11 PM Samuele Mantani 
> wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to display a warning message on the page?
> >
> > Samuele2002
> >
> > Il 20/Mar/2017 04:26 PM, "Sam Reed"  ha scritto:
> >
> > > Due to an outage on enwiki earlier today caused by Special:AllPages, it
> > > has temporarily been disabled on all wikis pending further
> investigation.
> > >
> > > To this extent a public tracking task [1] has been created, and updates
> > > will be put there to keep people in the loop.
> > >
> > > Proper incident should appear on Wikitech at a later date, after the
> > > problem has been resolved.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160916
> > >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Special:AllPages (temporarily) disabled on all wikis

2017-03-20 Thread Amir Ladsgroup 
You can add a note in Mediawiki:Allpages-summary in your wiki (only admins
can do it)

Best

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:11 PM Samuele Mantani 
wrote:

> Is there a way to display a warning message on the page?
>
> Samuele2002
>
> Il 20/Mar/2017 04:26 PM, "Sam Reed"  ha scritto:
>
> > Due to an outage on enwiki earlier today caused by Special:AllPages, it
> > has temporarily been disabled on all wikis pending further investigation.
> >
> > To this extent a public tracking task [1] has been created, and updates
> > will be put there to keep people in the loop.
> >
> > Proper incident should appear on Wikitech at a later date, after the
> > problem has been resolved.
> >
> >
> > Sam
> >
> >
> > [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160916
> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Special:AllPages (temporarily) disabled on all wikis

2017-03-20 Thread Samuele Mantani 
Is there a way to display a warning message on the page?

Samuele2002

Il 20/Mar/2017 04:26 PM, "Sam Reed"  ha scritto:

> Due to an outage on enwiki earlier today caused by Special:AllPages, it
> has temporarily been disabled on all wikis pending further investigation.
>
> To this extent a public tracking task [1] has been created, and updates
> will be put there to keep people in the loop.
>
> Proper incident should appear on Wikitech at a later date, after the
> problem has been resolved.
>
>
> Sam
>
>
> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160916
>
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[Wikitech-l] Special:AllPages (temporarily) disabled on all wikis

2017-03-20 Thread Sam Reed 
Due to an outage on enwiki earlier today caused by Special:AllPages, it has 
temporarily been disabled on all wikis pending further investigation.

To this extent a public tracking task [1] has been created, and updates will be 
put there to keep people in the loop.

Proper incident should appear on Wikitech at a later date, after the problem 
has been resolved.


Sam


[1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160916

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[Wikitech-l] Fantastic MediaWikis - Track at Wikimedia Hackathon - CfP

2017-03-20 Thread Markus Glaser 
Hello everyone,

"Fantastic MediaWikis and How to Maintain Them" is a one-day conference track 
designed for people who work with the open source software MediaWiki in their 
organisation, company or business [1]. The conference track is curated by the 
MediaWiki Stakeholders Group and hosted by Wikimedia Austria.

The track is part of Wikimedia's biggest annual tech-event, the Wikimedia 
Hackathon [2]: For three days each year, about 200 developers come together to 
improve MediaWiki. Among the participants are coders from the Wikimedia 
Foundation as well as volunteers from all over the world.

We're using this opportunity to connect the people who work with MediaWiki in 
their enterprise, company, or organisation to the people who actually develop 
the code. We invite all MediaWiki stakeholders - power-users, maintainers, and 
service providers, who have a professional or semi-professional interest in the 
software - to join us for a day full of MediaWiki knowledge and networking!

This is a call for participation. We are specifically looking for contributions 
of your experience in running MediaWikis. These include but are not confined to:

* Use Cases. Tell us how and why you use MediaWiki in a specific area or to 
solve a specific problem.
* Best Practices. Talk about the most effective way you have found to use 
particular MediaWiki features.
* Enhancements. Have you improved MediaWiki to fit your needs? Show us your 
solution.
* Challenges. How can we all add to MediaWiki functionality? Do you have 
specific ideas you want to collaborate on?

Share your experience and submit a presentation here:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Fantastic_MediaWikis_CfP

Important dates:

* 20th March 2017: Call for Participation opens
* 5th April 2017: Submission deadline
* 10th April 2017: Notification of acceptance
* 19th - 21st May 2017: Vienna Hackathon

We are looking forward to your submissions!

Best,
Markus (User:Mglaser)
MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group

[1] https://www.wikimedia.at/hackathon/fantastic-mediawikis/
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2017

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] Internet Explorer 9 will be JavaScript-less starting April 2017

2017-03-20 Thread Joaquin Oltra Hernandez 
Great news!

Have we considered dropping IE 10 to grade C given Microsoft ended support
for it more than a year ago and it seems to be as low as IE 9 (only a 0.24%
*[1]*)?

Also, a question. Does this mean we don't need to explicitly list the
*es5-shim* any more?

Thanks for the great work.

*[1]* all-sites-by-browser/browser-family-and-major-hierarchical-view

with
this filter: 2017-01-01 - 2017-03-20

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Krinkle  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Starting in April 2017, MediaWiki will end Grade A support for browsers
> that
> do not implement ES5 JavaScript. [1] This affects Internet Explorer 9 users
> and others using very old mobile browsers. [2] Users with these browsers
> will
> still be able to browse and contribute to the projects. Enhanced features
> will
> become unavailable. For example, the enhanced edit toolbar will not appear,
> and notification buttons will take you to a page rather than open a
> pop-out.
>
> This change will affect roughly 0.59% of page views to Wikimedia wikis (as
> of
> February 2017 [2]). Internet Explorer 9 (0.27%), mobile users on iOS 4
> (Mobile
> Safari 5 — 0.02% of traffic), and Android 2 (0.1%). For comparison, 0.3% of
> traffic comes from Internet Explorer 8 (JavaScript-less since January
> 2016).
>
> Providing JavaScript for IE 9 and other ES3 browsers adds a significant
> maintenance burden. It also hinders site speed for all users. Microsoft
> ended
> its official support for Internet Explorer 9 and 10 in January 2016. [4]
> Users unable to upgrade from IE 9 or Android 2 will have a faster
> experience
> going forward, based on well-tested and more stable code.
>
> This change will land in the development branch used on all Wikimedia wikis
> this April, to be released as part of MediaWiki 1.29 around May 2017.
>
> Please help carry this message into your communities.
> (Tech News has announced this change as well)
>
> Yours,
> -- Timo
>
> For details about the JavaScript-less experience, see
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Compatibility
>
>
> [1] http://caniuse.com/#feat=use-strict Browser support for ES5 (strict)
> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128115#3066522 Breakdown of
> Wikimedia page views from pre-ES5 browsers
> [3]
> https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#all-
> sites-by-browser/browser-family-and-major-hierarchical-view
> (Note: Filter date to last 2-3 months only!)
> [4] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support
> http://venturebeat.com/2016/01/12/microsoft-ends-support-
> for-ie8-ie9-ie10-and-windows-8/
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