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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Jan Dittrich

> This was the plan, but it kept changing. And apparently we still don't
have a good way to just inherit it from a central source in extensions?
I'll look into this later.

I remember there was an phabricator issue on that… but I could not find it
anymore. Volker Eckl will know, I think.

Jan

2017-08-12 23:21 GMT+02:00 Isarra Yos :

> Yes, the plan is to make an actual oojs ui theme, but I haven't gotten
> around to it because doing this stuff is complicated. If anyone wants to
> start one for me, that would be really helpful.
>
> > Compliance with the WMF colour palette
>
> This was the plan, but it kept changing. And apparently we still don't
> have a good way to just inherit it from a central source in extensions?
> I'll look into this later.
>
> -I
>
>
> On 12/08/17 20:06, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
>
>> It's fantastic, it will be my default skin when it gets deployed in
>> Wikipedia.
>>
>> One thing: OOjs UI has a different theme for monobook (apex theme) and for
>> vector the theme is "mediawiki", Are you planning to design another OOjs
>> UI
>> theme for this skin?
>>
>> Also it would be great to have it comply with WikimediaUI color palette
>> (or
>> make it so only in WMF wikis), just thinking out loud.
>>
>> Best
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 11:53 PM bawolff  wrote:
>>
>> This is kind of odd, but probably not an issue with the skin.
>>>
>>> I suspect you have some of the MediaWiki pages cached in browser cache
>>> from before you used the skin, and as a result are using them via a
>>> 304 response. But the user_touched timestamp should prevent that.
>>> Maybe central auth doesn't update the local one or something. need to
>>> look into that further.
>>>
>>> Maybe you got logged out  and then central auth globally logged back in.
>>>
>>> I don't know, kind of grasping here, but definitely is a MW issue not
>>> a Timeless issue.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bawolff
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:38 PM, יגאל חיטרון  wrote:
>>>
 Hi. I did not expected to much, because I did not like any non vector
 skins, but this is awesome! Thank you very much. One little bug - when
 working in mediawiki and navigating to another page, sometimes it opens
 again in vector and you should reopt it in in preferences.
 Igal (User:IKhitron)

 On Aug 12, 2017 17:51, "Alangi Derick"  wrote:

 Wow, this is wonderful.
>
> I like this skin and I already switched to it. A lot of stylish minded
> developers (like me) will start moving to the Timeless skin soon. Good
>
 work
>>>
 Team
>
> Nevertheless, will file in any bugs found :)
>
> *Kind regards*
> *Alangi Derick N*
>
> *[image: https://twitter.com/AlangiDerick]
> 
>   *
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Daniel Kinzler <
> daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de
>
>> wrote:
>> Wow, this looks great!
>>
>> Am 11.08.2017 um 18:26 schrieb Isarra Yos:
>>
>>> The Timeless skin has been deployed to test, test2, and mw.org.
>>>
>> Anyone
>>>
 interested, please go ahead an enable it and find everything wrong
>>>
>> and
>>>
 swear at
>>
>>> me about it.
>>>
>>> Note that the current design is not the final design and I haven't
>>>
>> quite
>
>> worked
>>
>>> out what the final design should be, either, so feel free to swear
>>>
>> at
>>>
 me
>
>> about
>>
>>> that, too, if you have any ideas/whatever.
>>>
>>> * Bad documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
>>> * Bugs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/timeless/
>>> * To enable it:
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-
>>>
>> prefsection-rendering
>>
>>> If all goes well, we will move on to deploy it to the pilot wikis,
>>>
>> as
>>>
 listed on
>>
>>> the deployment task, sometime next week:
>>>
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia
>>>
 .
>
>> org/T154371
>>
>>> A huge thank you to all the insane people who have worked to get us
>>>
>> to
>>>
 this
>>
>>> point, when the entire notion of a new skin seemed something of an
>>>
>> impossibility
>>
>>> most of the way through.
>>>
>>> -I
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Isarra Yos


I'm going with both.

(Width cuttoffs are a bit unnecessarily narrow in Timeless, but we need 
content stuff to scale down better as well, as there are also a lot of 
devices that are just plain narrower, and such, too.)


On 12/08/17 20:42, Jan Dittrich wrote:

This means on the Wikibase UI you will not
see the sitelinks on the right side anymore :(.

I wonder if  that a problem of the new skin or of the way we created the
Wikidata UI?

Jan

2017-08-12 22:31 GMT+02:00 Jonas Kress :


Thanks, I really like it!
I already installed it on my local wiki.

One thing I noticed is that the content width is smaller than with vector.
This means on the Wikibase UI you will not see the sitelinks on the right
side anymore :(.

Cheers,
Jonas

2017-08-12 16:19 GMT-04:00 Bartosz Dziewoński :


W dniu sobota, 12 sierpnia 2017 Amir Ladsgroup 
napisał(a):


It's fantastic, it will be my default skin when it gets deployed in
Wikipedia.

One thing: OOjs UI has a different theme for monobook (apex theme) and

for

vector the theme is "mediawiki", Are you planning to design another

OOjs

UI

theme for this skin?



Timeless has some styles for MediaWiki UI buttons and forms, extending

that

to other things included in OOjs UI is probably possible.

The main obstacle right now would be that skins have no way to define

their

own custom OOjs UI theme - I have change
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/343239/ pending review which would
allow
that.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Isarra Yos

Yes, the plan is to make an actual oojs ui theme, but I haven't gotten 
around to it because doing this stuff is complicated. If anyone wants to 
start one for me, that would be really helpful.


> Compliance with the WMF colour palette

This was the plan, but it kept changing. And apparently we still don't 
have a good way to just inherit it from a central source in extensions? 
I'll look into this later.


-I

On 12/08/17 20:06, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:

It's fantastic, it will be my default skin when it gets deployed in
Wikipedia.

One thing: OOjs UI has a different theme for monobook (apex theme) and for
vector the theme is "mediawiki", Are you planning to design another OOjs UI
theme for this skin?

Also it would be great to have it comply with WikimediaUI color palette (or
make it so only in WMF wikis), just thinking out loud.

Best
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 11:53 PM bawolff  wrote:


This is kind of odd, but probably not an issue with the skin.

I suspect you have some of the MediaWiki pages cached in browser cache
from before you used the skin, and as a result are using them via a
304 response. But the user_touched timestamp should prevent that.
Maybe central auth doesn't update the local one or something. need to
look into that further.

Maybe you got logged out  and then central auth globally logged back in.

I don't know, kind of grasping here, but definitely is a MW issue not
a Timeless issue.

--
bawolff

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:38 PM, יגאל חיטרון  wrote:

Hi. I did not expected to much, because I did not like any non vector
skins, but this is awesome! Thank you very much. One little bug - when
working in mediawiki and navigating to another page, sometimes it opens
again in vector and you should reopt it in in preferences.
Igal (User:IKhitron)

On Aug 12, 2017 17:51, "Alangi Derick"  wrote:


Wow, this is wonderful.

I like this skin and I already switched to it. A lot of stylish minded
developers (like me) will start moving to the Timeless skin soon. Good

work

Team

Nevertheless, will file in any bugs found :)

*Kind regards*
*Alangi Derick N*

*[image: https://twitter.com/AlangiDerick]

  *

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Daniel Kinzler <
daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de

wrote:
Wow, this looks great!

Am 11.08.2017 um 18:26 schrieb Isarra Yos:

The Timeless skin has been deployed to test, test2, and mw.org.

Anyone

interested, please go ahead an enable it and find everything wrong

and

swear at

me about it.

Note that the current design is not the final design and I haven't

quite

worked

out what the final design should be, either, so feel free to swear

at

me

about

that, too, if you have any ideas/whatever.

* Bad documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
* Bugs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/timeless/
* To enable it:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-

prefsection-rendering

If all goes well, we will move on to deploy it to the pilot wikis,

as

listed on

the deployment task, sometime next week:

https://phabricator.wikimedia

.

org/T154371

A huge thank you to all the insane people who have worked to get us

to

this

point, when the entire notion of a new skin seemed something of an

impossibility

most of the way through.

-I


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Jan Dittrich

> This means on the Wikibase UI you will not
> see the sitelinks on the right side anymore :(.

I wonder if  that a problem of the new skin or of the way we created the
Wikidata UI?

Jan

2017-08-12 22:31 GMT+02:00 Jonas Kress :

> Thanks, I really like it!
> I already installed it on my local wiki.
>
> One thing I noticed is that the content width is smaller than with vector.
> This means on the Wikibase UI you will not see the sitelinks on the right
> side anymore :(.
>
> Cheers,
> Jonas
>
> 2017-08-12 16:19 GMT-04:00 Bartosz Dziewoński :
>
> > W dniu sobota, 12 sierpnia 2017 Amir Ladsgroup 
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > It's fantastic, it will be my default skin when it gets deployed in
> > > Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > One thing: OOjs UI has a different theme for monobook (apex theme) and
> > for
> > > vector the theme is "mediawiki", Are you planning to design another
> OOjs
> > UI
> > > theme for this skin?
> > >
> > >
> > Timeless has some styles for MediaWiki UI buttons and forms, extending
> that
> > to other things included in OOjs UI is probably possible.
> >
> > The main obstacle right now would be that skins have no way to define
> their
> > own custom OOjs UI theme - I have change
> > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/343239/ pending review which would
> > allow
> > that.
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Jonas Kress

Thanks, I really like it!
I already installed it on my local wiki.

One thing I noticed is that the content width is smaller than with vector.
This means on the Wikibase UI you will not see the sitelinks on the right
side anymore :(.

Cheers,
Jonas

2017-08-12 16:19 GMT-04:00 Bartosz Dziewoński :

> W dniu sobota, 12 sierpnia 2017 Amir Ladsgroup 
> napisał(a):
>
> > It's fantastic, it will be my default skin when it gets deployed in
> > Wikipedia.
> >
> > One thing: OOjs UI has a different theme for monobook (apex theme) and
> for
> > vector the theme is "mediawiki", Are you planning to design another OOjs
> UI
> > theme for this skin?
> >
> >
> Timeless has some styles for MediaWiki UI buttons and forms, extending that
> to other things included in OOjs UI is probably possible.
>
> The main obstacle right now would be that skins have no way to define their
> own custom OOjs UI theme - I have change
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/343239/ pending review which would
> allow
> that.
>
>
> --
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński

W dniu sobota, 12 sierpnia 2017 Amir Ladsgroup 
napisał(a):

> It's fantastic, it will be my default skin when it gets deployed in
> Wikipedia.
>
> One thing: OOjs UI has a different theme for monobook (apex theme) and for
> vector the theme is "mediawiki", Are you planning to design another OOjs UI
> theme for this skin?
>
>
Timeless has some styles for MediaWiki UI buttons and forms, extending that
to other things included in OOjs UI is probably possible.

The main obstacle right now would be that skins have no way to define their
own custom OOjs UI theme - I have change
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/343239/ pending review which would allow
that.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Amir Ladsgroup

It's fantastic, it will be my default skin when it gets deployed in
Wikipedia.

One thing: OOjs UI has a different theme for monobook (apex theme) and for
vector the theme is "mediawiki", Are you planning to design another OOjs UI
theme for this skin?

Also it would be great to have it comply with WikimediaUI color palette (or
make it so only in WMF wikis), just thinking out loud.

Best
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 11:53 PM bawolff  wrote:

> This is kind of odd, but probably not an issue with the skin.
>
> I suspect you have some of the MediaWiki pages cached in browser cache
> from before you used the skin, and as a result are using them via a
> 304 response. But the user_touched timestamp should prevent that.
> Maybe central auth doesn't update the local one or something. need to
> look into that further.
>
> Maybe you got logged out  and then central auth globally logged back in.
>
> I don't know, kind of grasping here, but definitely is a MW issue not
> a Timeless issue.
>
> --
> bawolff
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:38 PM, יגאל חיטרון  wrote:
> > Hi. I did not expected to much, because I did not like any non vector
> > skins, but this is awesome! Thank you very much. One little bug - when
> > working in mediawiki and navigating to another page, sometimes it opens
> > again in vector and you should reopt it in in preferences.
> > Igal (User:IKhitron)
> >
> > On Aug 12, 2017 17:51, "Alangi Derick"  wrote:
> >
> >> Wow, this is wonderful.
> >>
> >> I like this skin and I already switched to it. A lot of stylish minded
> >> developers (like me) will start moving to the Timeless skin soon. Good
> work
> >> Team
> >>
> >> Nevertheless, will file in any bugs found :)
> >>
> >> *Kind regards*
> >> *Alangi Derick N*
> >>
> >> *[image: https://twitter.com/AlangiDerick]
> >> 
> >>   *
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Daniel Kinzler <
> >> daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Wow, this looks great!
> >> >
> >> > Am 11.08.2017 um 18:26 schrieb Isarra Yos:
> >> > > The Timeless skin has been deployed to test, test2, and mw.org.
> Anyone
> >> > > interested, please go ahead an enable it and find everything wrong
> and
> >> > swear at
> >> > > me about it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Note that the current design is not the final design and I haven't
> >> quite
> >> > worked
> >> > > out what the final design should be, either, so feel free to swear
> at
> >> me
> >> > about
> >> > > that, too, if you have any ideas/whatever.
> >> > >
> >> > > * Bad documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
> >> > > * Bugs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/timeless/
> >> > > * To enable it:
> >> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-
> >> > prefsection-rendering
> >> > >
> >> > > If all goes well, we will move on to deploy it to the pilot wikis,
> as
> >> > listed on
> >> > > the deployment task, sometime next week:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia
> >> .
> >> > org/T154371
> >> > >
> >> > > A huge thank you to all the insane people who have worked to get us
> to
> >> > this
> >> > > point, when the entire notion of a new skin seemed something of an
> >> > impossibility
> >> > > most of the way through.
> >> > >
> >> > > -I
> >> > >
> >> > >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread יגאל חיטרון

I see. Thank you. But I don't think it's a cache problem, because I never
opened this page before.
Igal

On Aug 12, 2017 22:53, "bawolff"  wrote:

This is kind of odd, but probably not an issue with the skin.

I suspect you have some of the MediaWiki pages cached in browser cache
from before you used the skin, and as a result are using them via a
304 response. But the user_touched timestamp should prevent that.
Maybe central auth doesn't update the local one or something. need to
look into that further.

Maybe you got logged out  and then central auth globally logged back in.

I don't know, kind of grasping here, but definitely is a MW issue not
a Timeless issue.

--
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On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:38 PM, יגאל חיטרון  wrote:
> Hi. I did not expected to much, because I did not like any non vector
> skins, but this is awesome! Thank you very much. One little bug - when
> working in mediawiki and navigating to another page, sometimes it opens
> again in vector and you should reopt it in in preferences.
> Igal (User:IKhitron)
>
> On Aug 12, 2017 17:51, "Alangi Derick"  wrote:
>
>> Wow, this is wonderful.
>>
>> I like this skin and I already switched to it. A lot of stylish minded
>> developers (like me) will start moving to the Timeless skin soon. Good
work
>> Team
>>
>> Nevertheless, will file in any bugs found :)
>>
>> *Kind regards*
>> *Alangi Derick N*
>>
>> *[image: https://twitter.com/AlangiDerick]
>> 
>>   *
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Daniel Kinzler <
>> daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Wow, this looks great!
>> >
>> > Am 11.08.2017 um 18:26 schrieb Isarra Yos:
>> > > The Timeless skin has been deployed to test, test2, and mw.org.
Anyone
>> > > interested, please go ahead an enable it and find everything wrong
and
>> > swear at
>> > > me about it.
>> > >
>> > > Note that the current design is not the final design and I haven't
>> quite
>> > worked
>> > > out what the final design should be, either, so feel free to swear at
>> me
>> > about
>> > > that, too, if you have any ideas/whatever.
>> > >
>> > > * Bad documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
>> > > * Bugs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/timeless/
>> > > * To enable it:
>> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-
>> > prefsection-rendering
>> > >
>> > > If all goes well, we will move on to deploy it to the pilot wikis, as
>> > listed on
>> > > the deployment task, sometime next week:
https://phabricator.wikimedia
>> .
>> > org/T154371
>> > >
>> > > A huge thank you to all the insane people who have worked to get us
to
>> > this
>> > > point, when the entire notion of a new skin seemed something of an
>> > impossibility
>> > > most of the way through.
>> > >
>> > > -I
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > Principal Platform Engineer
>> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread bawolff

This is kind of odd, but probably not an issue with the skin.

I suspect you have some of the MediaWiki pages cached in browser cache
from before you used the skin, and as a result are using them via a
304 response. But the user_touched timestamp should prevent that.
Maybe central auth doesn't update the local one or something. need to
look into that further.

Maybe you got logged out  and then central auth globally logged back in.

I don't know, kind of grasping here, but definitely is a MW issue not
a Timeless issue.

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On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:38 PM, יגאל חיטרון  wrote:
> Hi. I did not expected to much, because I did not like any non vector
> skins, but this is awesome! Thank you very much. One little bug - when
> working in mediawiki and navigating to another page, sometimes it opens
> again in vector and you should reopt it in in preferences.
> Igal (User:IKhitron)
>
> On Aug 12, 2017 17:51, "Alangi Derick"  wrote:
>
>> Wow, this is wonderful.
>>
>> I like this skin and I already switched to it. A lot of stylish minded
>> developers (like me) will start moving to the Timeless skin soon. Good work
>> Team
>>
>> Nevertheless, will file in any bugs found :)
>>
>> *Kind regards*
>> *Alangi Derick N*
>>
>> *[image: https://twitter.com/AlangiDerick]
>> 
>>   *
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Daniel Kinzler <
>> daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Wow, this looks great!
>> >
>> > Am 11.08.2017 um 18:26 schrieb Isarra Yos:
>> > > The Timeless skin has been deployed to test, test2, and mw.org. Anyone
>> > > interested, please go ahead an enable it and find everything wrong and
>> > swear at
>> > > me about it.
>> > >
>> > > Note that the current design is not the final design and I haven't
>> quite
>> > worked
>> > > out what the final design should be, either, so feel free to swear at
>> me
>> > about
>> > > that, too, if you have any ideas/whatever.
>> > >
>> > > * Bad documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
>> > > * Bugs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/timeless/
>> > > * To enable it:
>> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-
>> > prefsection-rendering
>> > >
>> > > If all goes well, we will move on to deploy it to the pilot wikis, as
>> > listed on
>> > > the deployment task, sometime next week: https://phabricator.wikimedia
>> .
>> > org/T154371
>> > >
>> > > A huge thank you to all the insane people who have worked to get us to
>> > this
>> > > point, when the entire notion of a new skin seemed something of an
>> > impossibility
>> > > most of the way through.
>> > >
>> > > -I
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ___
>> > > Wikitech-l mailing list
>> > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>> >
>> >
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>> > Principal Platform Engineer
>> >
>> > Wikimedia Deutschland
>> > Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread יגאל חיטרון

Hi. I did not expected to much, because I did not like any non vector
skins, but this is awesome! Thank you very much. One little bug - when
working in mediawiki and navigating to another page, sometimes it opens
again in vector and you should reopt it in in preferences.
Igal (User:IKhitron)

On Aug 12, 2017 17:51, "Alangi Derick"  wrote:

> Wow, this is wonderful.
>
> I like this skin and I already switched to it. A lot of stylish minded
> developers (like me) will start moving to the Timeless skin soon. Good work
> Team
>
> Nevertheless, will file in any bugs found :)
>
> *Kind regards*
> *Alangi Derick N*
>
> *[image: https://twitter.com/AlangiDerick]
> 
>   *
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Daniel Kinzler <
> daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de
> > wrote:
>
> > Wow, this looks great!
> >
> > Am 11.08.2017 um 18:26 schrieb Isarra Yos:
> > > The Timeless skin has been deployed to test, test2, and mw.org. Anyone
> > > interested, please go ahead an enable it and find everything wrong and
> > swear at
> > > me about it.
> > >
> > > Note that the current design is not the final design and I haven't
> quite
> > worked
> > > out what the final design should be, either, so feel free to swear at
> me
> > about
> > > that, too, if you have any ideas/whatever.
> > >
> > > * Bad documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
> > > * Bugs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/timeless/
> > > * To enable it:
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-
> > prefsection-rendering
> > >
> > > If all goes well, we will move on to deploy it to the pilot wikis, as
> > listed on
> > > the deployment task, sometime next week: https://phabricator.wikimedia
> .
> > org/T154371
> > >
> > > A huge thank you to all the insane people who have worked to get us to
> > this
> > > point, when the entire notion of a new skin seemed something of an
> > impossibility
> > > most of the way through.
> > >
> > > -I
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
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> > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Principal Platform Engineer
> >
> > Wikimedia Deutschland
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[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Offline-l] Post-Wikimania Hackathon for producing offline content

2017-08-12 Thread Chris Koerner

Hello,
I had the fortune of meeting Martin during Wikimania where he shared a
post-Wikmania event that I thought would be of interest to this community.
If you're interested in offline content and are in the area, this seems to
be a rather interesting event to attend.

His post is below and you can find out more at:
http://wiki.kiwix.org/wiki/Hackathon_Wikimania_2017

We're holding a Hackathon on August 13-18. right after Wikimania, in
Potsdam, New York (about 2.5 hours drive from Montreal).  The focus is on
writing code to help produce offline collections of Wikipedia content along
with other medical & educational materials, mostly for use in libraries,
schools and clinics.  The main wiki page can be found at http://OFF.NETWORK.
We can probably help you with transportation from Montreal, and
accommodation in Potsdam if you need it.
Some of the attendees will be there from familiar offline groups such as
Kiwix mainly to write code.  Others focus on end-use and are from the
non-profit/educational community, such as Computers for Kids,
Internet-in-a-box, KA Lite.  These people will want to ensure that the
technical needs of the groups can be met, and that resources are shared.
You can see the sort of thing Internet-in-a-Box does in this recent article
on opensource.com:
https://opensource.com/article/17/5/internet-in-a-box-raspberry-pi
If you're interested in attending, it's probably best to contact me
directly.  Thanks!
Martin A. Walker (walkerma on Wikipedia)
Professor of Chemistry, SUNY Potsdam
walkerma at potsdam.edu


From: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/offline-l/2017-June/001405.html

Yours,
Chris Koerner
Community Liaison
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Alangi Derick

Wow, this is wonderful.

I like this skin and I already switched to it. A lot of stylish minded
developers (like me) will start moving to the Timeless skin soon. Good work
Team

Nevertheless, will file in any bugs found :)

*Kind regards*
*Alangi Derick N*

*[image: https://twitter.com/AlangiDerick]

  *

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Daniel Kinzler  wrote:

> Wow, this looks great!
>
> Am 11.08.2017 um 18:26 schrieb Isarra Yos:
> > The Timeless skin has been deployed to test, test2, and mw.org. Anyone
> > interested, please go ahead an enable it and find everything wrong and
> swear at
> > me about it.
> >
> > Note that the current design is not the final design and I haven't quite
> worked
> > out what the final design should be, either, so feel free to swear at me
> about
> > that, too, if you have any ideas/whatever.
> >
> > * Bad documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
> > * Bugs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/timeless/
> > * To enable it:
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-
> prefsection-rendering
> >
> > If all goes well, we will move on to deploy it to the pilot wikis, as
> listed on
> > the deployment task, sometime next week: https://phabricator.wikimedia.
> org/T154371
> >
> > A huge thank you to all the insane people who have worked to get us to
> this
> > point, when the entire notion of a new skin seemed something of an
> impossibility
> > most of the way through.
> >
> > -I
> >
> >
> > ___
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> > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Timeless skin now available on mw.org

2017-08-12 Thread Daniel Kinzler

Wow, this looks great!

Am 11.08.2017 um 18:26 schrieb Isarra Yos:
> The Timeless skin has been deployed to test, test2, and mw.org. Anyone
> interested, please go ahead an enable it and find everything wrong and swear 
> at
> me about it.
> 
> Note that the current design is not the final design and I haven't quite 
> worked
> out what the final design should be, either, so feel free to swear at me about
> that, too, if you have any ideas/whatever.
> 
> * Bad documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
> * Bugs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/timeless/
> * To enable it:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering
> 
> If all goes well, we will move on to deploy it to the pilot wikis, as listed 
> on
> the deployment task, sometime next week: 
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154371
> 
> A huge thank you to all the insane people who have worked to get us to this
> point, when the entire notion of a new skin seemed something of an 
> impossibility
> most of the way through.
> 
> -I
> 
> 
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