[Wikitech-l] Re: [Wikimedia-l] Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

2022-01-28 Thread Brian Wolff 
While i'm sure there is always more that can be done in terms of attracting
new devs, i don't think that's really where we have the problem. We have
lots of interested people. Enwiki is basically a huge captive audience of
interested people.

I think the problem lies more in the developer experience after people
join. It is politically difficult to get stuff merged with long lag times.
That's frustrating to people who want to fix bugs as opposed to play
politics, and its really difficult for outsiders who don't have the
internal social connections, not to mention the time availability to always
be responsive as opposed to just being available to contribute a couple
hours on the weekend.

--
Bawolff

On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jay prakash <0freerunn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Andre, It is really good to see a major transformation in recent years.
> Since I am part of this transformation, I can say that it is already really
> going in a very good direction. But few things to note:
>
> 1. *Lack of staff*: WMF's Developer Advocacy has 6 staff for the globe. I
> had a recent experience with Google India's Developer Relations team. They
> had 5-8 members, just for a single county. I know comparison should have
> other factors as well but the gap is too far. Even Mozilla is outnumbering
> us. Another thing that I also noticed is that some WMF staff are part of
> multiple teams.
>
> 2. *No Wikimedia outreach program*: As far as I know WMF does not run its
> own outreach program. We are/were the only participant organization in
> various programs like Outreachy, Google Summer of Code, and Google Code-In.
> Wikimedia itself is a big name so we can attract many students with
> Wikimedia internship certificates without any stipend expenses.
>
> 3. *No partnership with the external organization*: As far as I know WMF
> did not collaborate with external organizations regarding technical
> partnerships and campaigns. Last year, two profit organizations, Intel and
> DigitalOcean, organized Hacktoberfest, an amazing month of open source
> love. They got 294,451 accept pull requests for open source projects.
> Profit organizations are running campaigns for open source software but we
> can't. (I know they have an advertisement factor but the point is open
> source campaigns). Why can't we?
>
> I am not blaming anything on the current Developer Advocacy team. I worked
> with many members very closely as a volunteer. They are already working to
> their full capacity. But upper management has to break the glass.
> Otherwise, we will just fix/mingle with current problems within a single
> bubble.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Jay Prakash,
> Volunteer Developer
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:46 PM Andre Klapper 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 13:30 +, Inductiveload wrote:
>> > [5] Developer Advocacy is a team that exists, but at least in my
>> > personal experience, I have never actually encountered it, except for
>> > bug wrangling.
>>
>> If you're interested in what that (my) team is doing, I recommend
>> checking out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_Advocacy
>>
>> Spoiler: Improving Small Wiki Toolkits, working on a Developer Portal
>> and improving related technical docs, organizing Outreach Programs,
>> maintaining Community Metrics, sorting out the next Hackathon, helping
>> with the Coolest Tool Award (which happened two weeks ago), etc...
>>
>> Hope that provides a bit of an impression? :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> andre
>> --
>> Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate
>> https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
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[Wikitech-l] Re: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

2022-01-28 Thread Jay prakash 
Hi everyone,

Andre, It is really good to see a major transformation in recent years.
Since I am part of this transformation, I can say that it is already really
going in a very good direction. But few things to note:

1. *Lack of staff*: WMF's Developer Advocacy has 6 staff for the globe. I
had a recent experience with Google India's Developer Relations team. They
had 5-8 members, just for a single county. I know comparison should have
other factors as well but the gap is too far. Even Mozilla is outnumbering
us. Another thing that I also noticed is that some WMF staff are part of
multiple teams.

2. *No Wikimedia outreach program*: As far as I know WMF does not run its
own outreach program. We are/were the only participant organization in
various programs like Outreachy, Google Summer of Code, and Google Code-In.
Wikimedia itself is a big name so we can attract many students with
Wikimedia internship certificates without any stipend expenses.

3. *No partnership with the external organization*: As far as I know WMF
did not collaborate with external organizations regarding technical
partnerships and campaigns. Last year, two profit organizations, Intel and
DigitalOcean, organized Hacktoberfest, an amazing month of open source
love. They got 294,451 accept pull requests for open source projects.
Profit organizations are running campaigns for open source software but we
can't. (I know they have an advertisement factor but the point is open
source campaigns). Why can't we?

I am not blaming anything on the current Developer Advocacy team. I worked
with many members very closely as a volunteer. They are already working to
their full capacity. But upper management has to break the glass.
Otherwise, we will just fix/mingle with current problems within a single
bubble.

Regards,


Jay Prakash,
Volunteer Developer

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:46 PM Andre Klapper 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 13:30 +, Inductiveload wrote:
> > [5] Developer Advocacy is a team that exists, but at least in my
> > personal experience, I have never actually encountered it, except for
> > bug wrangling.
>
> If you're interested in what that (my) team is doing, I recommend
> checking out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_Advocacy
>
> Spoiler: Improving Small Wiki Toolkits, working on a Developer Portal
> and improving related technical docs, organizing Outreach Programs,
> maintaining Community Metrics, sorting out the next Hackathon, helping
> with the Coolest Tool Award (which happened two weeks ago), etc...
>
> Hope that provides a bit of an impression? :)
>
> Cheers,
> andre
> --
> Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate
> https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
> ___
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[Wikitech-l] Re: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

2022-01-28 Thread Andre Klapper 
On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 13:30 +, Inductiveload wrote:
> [5] Developer Advocacy is a team that exists, but at least in my
> personal experience, I have never actually encountered it, except for
> bug wrangling.

If you're interested in what that (my) team is doing, I recommend
checking out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_Advocacy 

Spoiler: Improving Small Wiki Toolkits, working on a Developer Portal
and improving related technical docs, organizing Outreach Programs,
maintaining Community Metrics, sorting out the next Hackathon, helping
with the Coolest Tool Award (which happened two weeks ago), etc...

Hope that provides a bit of an impression? :)

Cheers,
andre
-- 
Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate
https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
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[Wikitech-l] Re: [Wikimedia-l] Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

2022-01-28 Thread Andre Klapper 
On Sat, 2022-01-01 at 07:41 +0100, Amir Sarabadani wrote:
> There is "code stewardship program" and its goal is to find owners
> for components that don't have an owner (or undeploy them). Sometimes
> it's successful, sometimes it's not. I have been asking for a
> maintainer for FlaggedRevs for four years now, beta cluster is
> suffering from a similar situation, etc. etc. It takes time to find
> an owner for everything, to fill the gaps in places we don't have a
> team to handle those (e.g. Multimedia, you can't just hand over that
> to team responsible for security for example). More info at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_stewardship_reviews
> 

My very personal impression is that the Code Stewardship Review process
currently lacks decision authority and senior leadership support within
the WMF. It's not an engineering problem but a business problem.
Decisions themselves can sometimes be easy. Making them happen not so.

andre
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https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
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[Wikitech-l] Talk to the Search Platform Team—February 2nd, 2022

2022-01-28 Thread Trey Jones 
The Search Platform Team
 usually holds an
open meeting on the first Wednesday of each month. Come talk to us about
anything related to Wikimedia search, Wikidata Query Service, Wikimedia
Commons Query Service, etc.!


Feel free to add your items to the Etherpad Agenda for the next meeting.


Details for our next meeting:

Date: Wednesday, February 2nd, 2022

Time: 16:00-17:00 GMT / 08:00-09:00 PST / 11:00-12:00 EST / 17:00-18:00 CET
& WAT

Etherpad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Search_Platform_Office_Hours

Google Meet link: https://meet.google.com/vgj-bbeb-uyi

Join by phone: https://tel.meet/vgj-bbeb-uyi?pin=8118110806927


Hope to talk to you next week!

—Trey


Trey Jones
Staff Computational Linguist, Search Platform
Wikimedia Foundation
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