Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[René Pickhardt]

Hey Bryan,

that is great to hear! Though this development has the clear goal to
transfer our MOOC-Interface which is in use on wikiversity to production
code as an extension. Therefor we wanted to involve the community right a
way and adapt to the processes that are the common culture here.

best Rene

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Bryan Davis  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, René Pickhardt
>  wrote:
> > Hey Chad,
> >
> > I understand this but I also understand the documentation (
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/%2B2 ) in a way that it says that
> Sebastian
> > and me should not review our own code. That is where my question was
> > aiming. Because obviously even with early code review we do not need
> every
> > time we make a git commit to exchange our work in our team a code review.
>
> Waiting for peer code review on each patch can be very difficult when
> working on a small team and doing new development. Self-merges are
> generally ok when you are building something new from scratch that
> isn't deployed into the WMF production yet. All of your code will
> eventually need to get a full security and performance review before
> being approved for WMF production use. Find a workflow that works for
> you and your collaborators and don't get too hung up on the guidance
> that we give for production deployed code yet.
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[Bryan Davis]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, René Pickhardt
 wrote:
> Hey Chad,
>
> I understand this but I also understand the documentation (
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/%2B2 ) in a way that it says that Sebastian
> and me should not review our own code. That is where my question was
> aiming. Because obviously even with early code review we do not need every
> time we make a git commit to exchange our work in our team a code review.

Waiting for peer code review on each patch can be very difficult when
working on a small team and doing new development. Self-merges are
generally ok when you are building something new from scratch that
isn't deployed into the WMF production yet. All of your code will
eventually need to get a full security and performance review before
being approved for WMF production use. Find a workflow that works for
you and your collaborators and don't get too hung up on the guidance
that we give for production deployed code yet.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[René Pickhardt]

Hey Chad,

I understand this but I also understand the documentation (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/%2B2 ) in a way that it says that Sebastian
and me should not review our own code. That is where my question was
aiming. Because obviously even with early code review we do not need every
time we make a git commit to exchange our work in our team a code review.

best Rene

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Chad  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:09 AM René Pickhardt  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Chad,
> >
> > I do not get the sense of your message. The MOOC project in gerrit
> exists.
> > My question was more about how we are supposed to use it with respect to
> +2
> > rights and code review.
> >
> >
> Hi Rene,
>
> You and Sebastian already have permissions on that repository :)
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[René Pickhardt]

Hey Chad,

I do not get the sense of your message. The MOOC project in gerrit exists.
My question was more about how we are supposed to use it with respect to +2
rights and code review.

best Rene

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Chad  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:08 AM Bahodir Mansurov 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi René,
> >
> > Please see my inline comments.
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:58 -0400, René Pickhardt
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Bahodir, dear everyone,
> > >
> > > I have just done what you suggested thanks. How long does it usually
> take
> > > to get a project on gerrit? Should we use some github repo until then?
> >  From my experience it's usually a couple of days. I'd look at the page
> > history to getter a better sense of the timing.
> >
> >
> Already done:
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/mediawiki/extensions/MOOC
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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[Chad]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:09 AM René Pickhardt 
wrote:

> Hey Chad,
>
> I do not get the sense of your message. The MOOC project in gerrit exists.
> My question was more about how we are supposed to use it with respect to +2
> rights and code review.
>
>
Hi Rene,

You and Sebastian already have permissions on that repository :)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[Chad]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:08 AM Bahodir Mansurov 
wrote:

> Hi René,
>
> Please see my inline comments.
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:58 -0400, René Pickhardt
>  wrote:
>
> > Dear Bahodir, dear everyone,
> >
> > I have just done what you suggested thanks. How long does it usually take
> > to get a project on gerrit? Should we use some github repo until then?
>  From my experience it's usually a couple of days. I'd look at the page
> history to getter a better sense of the timing.
>
>
Already done:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/mediawiki/extensions/MOOC

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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[René Pickhardt]

Hey everyone,

and thanks for your help so far. We continued setting up our working
environment and have a couple more questions especially regarding the code
review process:

Obviously we need some place to store code during development and exchange
code without third party reviewing of every commit. Is giving us push
rights in our gerrit project for developing on a develop branch and asking
for code reviews via the mailing list before merging to the master branch
the correct process? Or should we develop and exchange code for example in
a github repository and only push patches to gerrit and then ask someone
for code review?

Background where we are coming from:

Sebastian and I are now project owners for
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/mediawiki/extensions/MOOC
this can be seen from:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/groups/1184,members  In the
beginning we could not exchange code by pushing changes to the develop
branch but could only push to new branches. we could fix this by adding
push rights to the extension-MOOC group Now we are confused! On
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/%2B2 we read that we should not +2
our own code - even if we are project owners. in IRC we had the following
conversation that suggested otherwise:

[10:22]  renepick: it's designed for merge review...so you upload
the patch using git review (or the magical git push origin
HEAD:refs/for/master) which uploads it to gerrit for review, which you then
+2
[10:30]  @legoktm: on the docu it says that one should not self
+2 ones own code
[10:30]  that's an ideal, but it really depends on whether you
have someone else to review your code for you

Obviously today we just played around with sample code and rights
management in gerrit. So we do not have something for review even though
there where some commits. But it is important for us and our future
development process to understand the customs and processes that are going
on here.

best regards Rene


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Matthew Flaschen 
wrote:

> On 04/13/2016 09:21 AM, Marko Obrovac wrote:
>
>> Right. Not everything needs a Vagrant role. However, having one definitely
>> increases the chance of people using your extension :) As Baha suggested,
>> you can file a new task in Phabricator and tag it with the
>> MediaWiki-Vagrant project.
>>
>
> Yes.  A good example of a very simple role is role::doublewiki (but please
> put a better description than that).  If your extension needs update.php,
> grep for needs_update.  role::cite is almost as simple, but shows how
> config settings work.
>
> And you can feel free to ask on Phabricator or here for help.
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[Matthew Flaschen]

On 04/13/2016 09:21 AM, Marko Obrovac wrote:

Right. Not everything needs a Vagrant role. However, having one definitely
increases the chance of people using your extension :) As Baha suggested,
you can file a new task in Phabricator and tag it with the
MediaWiki-Vagrant project.


Yes.  A good example of a very simple role is role::doublewiki (but 
please put a better description than that).  If your extension needs 
update.php, grep for needs_update.  role::cite is almost as simple, but 
shows how config settings work.


And you can feel free to ask on Phabricator or here for help.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[Purodha Blissenbach]

On 13.04.2016 14:55, René Pickhardt wrote:

Dear Bahodir, dear everyone,

I have just done what you suggested thanks. How long does it usually 
take
to get a project on gerrit? Should we use some github repo until 
then?


Not needed for a short time :)


What about the vagrant role? I saw a list of them:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant/Roles and it seems 
that
NOT every extension has a vagrent role. Do we need this? If so where 
do we

apply for that?

Also I forgot to mention that quite a while ago we esablished the
phabricator tag https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mooc-interface/ 
does
it make sense to continue using this one or should it be renamed to 
MOOC?


best Rene



On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Bahodir Mansurov 


wrote:


To request a gerrit project, please visit
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_repositories/Requests .



On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:01:07 -0400, René Pickhardt <
r.pickha...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hey Everyone,


I am an active contributer to Wikiversity (German and English). 
Over the
years we realized that Mediawiki is not really providing everything 
a
student and teacher needs in the classroom. Therefor Sebastian 
Schlicht

and
me have created a bunch of javascript, Lua modules and templates in 
order
to pimp the user interface and some processes on the english 
wikiversity.


A community poll has showed that our scripts should have been moved 
to

common.js

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:MOOC_Interface#Support

The improvements can be seen live in this course:


https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Web_Science/Part1:_Foundations_of_the_web/Internet_Protocol/Classful_IPv4_networks

Over the time we have realised that it would be better to create a
standalone Mediawiki extension since this is more stable. So we 
propsed

our
Idea to this years fOERder award which gave us some founding for 
this OER

(Open educational resources) related project.

Today Sebastian and I started our process.
* We have been installing vagrant and have a mediawiki running 
locally!

This is great and was well documented.
* I have created: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MOOC
* We need a gerrit Project extension/MOOC
* We need a vagrent role for this

Abraham Taherivand suggested to send a mail to this list with our 
needs

and
our introduction.

Being new in the Wikimedia world it can be a little bit confusing - 
even
though everything is well documented - so I am sorry if we had 
overseen
something in the documentation. So we would be really happy for 
support,
pointers and hints and especially for a gerrit project and a 
vagrent role.


My username in gerrit as in other wikis is renepick

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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[Marko Obrovac]

Hello,

On 13 April 2016 at 15:08, Bahodir Mansurov  wrote:

> Hi René,
>
> Please see my inline comments.
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:58 -0400, René Pickhardt <
> r.pickha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Bahodir, dear everyone,
>>
>> I have just done what you suggested thanks. How long does it usually take
>> to get a project on gerrit? Should we use some github repo until then?
>>
> From my experience it's usually a couple of days. I'd look at the page
> history to getter a better sense of the timing.
>
>
>> What about the vagrant role? I saw a list of them:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant/Roles and it seems that
>> NOT every extension has a vagrent role. Do we need this? If so where do we
>> apply for that?
>>
> I don't think every extension needs a vagrant role, especially if just a
> few people are developing the extension and if manually setting it up is
> not hard. You can just clone your repo into the existing vagrant folder. If
> you still want to have the role created, I think your best bet is to create
> a phabricator task and mark it with "MediaWiki-Vagrant".


Right. Not everything needs a Vagrant role. However, having one definitely
increases the chance of people using your extension :) As Baha suggested,
you can file a new task in Phabricator and tag it with the
MediaWiki-Vagrant project.

I would strongly suggest, though, to look at other extension roles and
model yours after them. Just take a peek in the
puppet/modules/role/manifests directory of your vagrant clone.


>
>
>
>> Also I forgot to mention that quite a while ago we esablished the
>> phabricator tag https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mooc-interface/
>> does
>> it make sense to continue using this one or should it be renamed to MOOC?
>>
> I don't see why not to continue using the existing project.


Either is fine, I think.

Cheers,
Marko


>
>
> best Rene
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Bahodir Mansurov <
>> bmansu...@wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> To request a gerrit project, please visit
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_repositories/Requests .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:01:07 -0400, René Pickhardt <
>>> r.pickha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>

 I am an active contributer to Wikiversity (German and English). Over the
 years we realized that Mediawiki is not really providing everything a
 student and teacher needs in the classroom. Therefor Sebastian Schlicht
 and
 me have created a bunch of javascript, Lua modules and templates in
 order
 to pimp the user interface and some processes on the english
 wikiversity.

 A community poll has showed that our scripts should have been moved to
 common.js
 https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:MOOC_Interface#Support

 The improvements can be seen live in this course:


 https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Web_Science/Part1:_Foundations_of_the_web/Internet_Protocol/Classful_IPv4_networks

 Over the time we have realised that it would be better to create a
 standalone Mediawiki extension since this is more stable. So we propsed
 our
 Idea to this years fOERder award which gave us some founding for this
 OER
 (Open educational resources) related project.

 Today Sebastian and I started our process.
 * We have been installing vagrant and have a mediawiki running locally!
 This is great and was well documented.
 * I have created: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MOOC
 * We need a gerrit Project extension/MOOC
 * We need a vagrent role for this

 Abraham Taherivand suggested to send a mail to this list with our needs
 and
 our introduction.

 Being new in the Wikimedia world it can be a little bit confusing - even
 though everything is well documented - so I am sorry if we had overseen
 something in the documentation. So we would be really happy for support,
 pointers and hints and especially for a gerrit project and a vagrent
 role.

 My username in gerrit as in other wikis is renepick

 Best regards Sebastian Schlicht and Rene Pickhardt







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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[Bahodir Mansurov]

Hi René,

Please see my inline comments.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:58 -0400, René Pickhardt  
 wrote:



Dear Bahodir, dear everyone,

I have just done what you suggested thanks. How long does it usually take
to get a project on gerrit? Should we use some github repo until then?
From my experience it's usually a couple of days. I'd look at the page  
history to getter a better sense of the timing.




What about the vagrant role? I saw a list of them:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant/Roles and it seems that
NOT every extension has a vagrent role. Do we need this? If so where do  
we

apply for that?
I don't think every extension needs a vagrant role, especially if just a  
few people are developing the extension and if manually setting it up is  
not hard. You can just clone your repo into the existing vagrant folder.  
If you still want to have the role created, I think your best bet is to  
create a phabricator task and mark it with "MediaWiki-Vagrant".




Also I forgot to mention that quite a while ago we esablished the
phabricator tag https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mooc-interface/  
does

it make sense to continue using this one or should it be renamed to MOOC?

I don't see why not to continue using the existing project.


best Rene



On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Bahodir Mansurov  


wrote:


To request a gerrit project, please visit
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_repositories/Requests .



On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:01:07 -0400, René Pickhardt <
r.pickha...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hey Everyone,


I am an active contributer to Wikiversity (German and English). Over  
the

years we realized that Mediawiki is not really providing everything a
student and teacher needs in the classroom. Therefor Sebastian Schlicht
and
me have created a bunch of javascript, Lua modules and templates in  
order
to pimp the user interface and some processes on the english  
wikiversity.


A community poll has showed that our scripts should have been moved to
common.js
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:MOOC_Interface#Support

The improvements can be seen live in this course:

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Web_Science/Part1:_Foundations_of_the_web/Internet_Protocol/Classful_IPv4_networks

Over the time we have realised that it would be better to create a
standalone Mediawiki extension since this is more stable. So we propsed
our
Idea to this years fOERder award which gave us some founding for this  
OER

(Open educational resources) related project.

Today Sebastian and I started our process.
* We have been installing vagrant and have a mediawiki running locally!
This is great and was well documented.
* I have created: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MOOC
* We need a gerrit Project extension/MOOC
* We need a vagrent role for this

Abraham Taherivand suggested to send a mail to this list with our needs
and
our introduction.

Being new in the Wikimedia world it can be a little bit confusing -  
even

though everything is well documented - so I am sorry if we had overseen
something in the documentation. So we would be really happy for  
support,
pointers and hints and especially for a gerrit project and a vagrent  
role.


My username in gerrit as in other wikis is renepick

Best regards Sebastian Schlicht and Rene Pickhardt








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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[René Pickhardt]

Dear Bahodir, dear everyone,

I have just done what you suggested thanks. How long does it usually take
to get a project on gerrit? Should we use some github repo until then?

What about the vagrant role? I saw a list of them:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant/Roles and it seems that
NOT every extension has a vagrent role. Do we need this? If so where do we
apply for that?

Also I forgot to mention that quite a while ago we esablished the
phabricator tag https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mooc-interface/ does
it make sense to continue using this one or should it be renamed to MOOC?

best Rene



On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Bahodir Mansurov 
wrote:

> To request a gerrit project, please visit
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_repositories/Requests .
>
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:01:07 -0400, René Pickhardt <
> r.pickha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Everyone,
>>
>> I am an active contributer to Wikiversity (German and English). Over the
>> years we realized that Mediawiki is not really providing everything a
>> student and teacher needs in the classroom. Therefor Sebastian Schlicht
>> and
>> me have created a bunch of javascript, Lua modules and templates in order
>> to pimp the user interface and some processes on the english wikiversity.
>>
>> A community poll has showed that our scripts should have been moved to
>> common.js
>> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:MOOC_Interface#Support
>>
>> The improvements can be seen live in this course:
>>
>> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Web_Science/Part1:_Foundations_of_the_web/Internet_Protocol/Classful_IPv4_networks
>>
>> Over the time we have realised that it would be better to create a
>> standalone Mediawiki extension since this is more stable. So we propsed
>> our
>> Idea to this years fOERder award which gave us some founding for this OER
>> (Open educational resources) related project.
>>
>> Today Sebastian and I started our process.
>> * We have been installing vagrant and have a mediawiki running locally!
>> This is great and was well documented.
>> * I have created: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MOOC
>> * We need a gerrit Project extension/MOOC
>> * We need a vagrent role for this
>>
>> Abraham Taherivand suggested to send a mail to this list with our needs
>> and
>> our introduction.
>>
>> Being new in the Wikimedia world it can be a little bit confusing - even
>> though everything is well documented - so I am sorry if we had overseen
>> something in the documentation. So we would be really happy for support,
>> pointers and hints and especially for a gerrit project and a vagrent role.
>>
>> My username in gerrit as in other wikis is renepick
>>
>> Best regards Sebastian Schlicht and Rene Pickhardt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[Bahodir Mansurov]

To request a gerrit project, please visit  
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_repositories/Requests .



On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:01:07 -0400, René Pickhardt  
 wrote:



Hey Everyone,

I am an active contributer to Wikiversity (German and English). Over the
years we realized that Mediawiki is not really providing everything a
student and teacher needs in the classroom. Therefor Sebastian Schlicht  
and

me have created a bunch of javascript, Lua modules and templates in order
to pimp the user interface and some processes on the english wikiversity.

A community poll has showed that our scripts should have been moved to
common.js
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:MOOC_Interface#Support

The improvements can be seen live in this course:
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Web_Science/Part1:_Foundations_of_the_web/Internet_Protocol/Classful_IPv4_networks

Over the time we have realised that it would be better to create a
standalone Mediawiki extension since this is more stable. So we propsed  
our

Idea to this years fOERder award which gave us some founding for this OER
(Open educational resources) related project.

Today Sebastian and I started our process.
* We have been installing vagrant and have a mediawiki running locally!
This is great and was well documented.
* I have created: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MOOC
* We need a gerrit Project extension/MOOC
* We need a vagrent role for this

Abraham Taherivand suggested to send a mail to this list with our needs  
and

our introduction.

Being new in the Wikimedia world it can be a little bit confusing - even
though everything is well documented - so I am sorry if we had overseen
something in the documentation. So we would be really happy for support,
pointers and hints and especially for a gerrit project and a vagrent  
role.


My username in gerrit as in other wikis is renepick

Best regards Sebastian Schlicht and Rene Pickhardt








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[Wikitech-l] MOOC Extension

[René Pickhardt]

Hey Everyone,

I am an active contributer to Wikiversity (German and English). Over the
years we realized that Mediawiki is not really providing everything a
student and teacher needs in the classroom. Therefor Sebastian Schlicht and
me have created a bunch of javascript, Lua modules and templates in order
to pimp the user interface and some processes on the english wikiversity.

A community poll has showed that our scripts should have been moved to
common.js
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:MOOC_Interface#Support

The improvements can be seen live in this course:
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Web_Science/Part1:_Foundations_of_the_web/Internet_Protocol/Classful_IPv4_networks

Over the time we have realised that it would be better to create a
standalone Mediawiki extension since this is more stable. So we propsed our
Idea to this years fOERder award which gave us some founding for this OER
(Open educational resources) related project.

Today Sebastian and I started our process.
* We have been installing vagrant and have a mediawiki running locally!
This is great and was well documented.
* I have created: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MOOC
* We need a gerrit Project extension/MOOC
* We need a vagrent role for this

Abraham Taherivand suggested to send a mail to this list with our needs and
our introduction.

Being new in the Wikimedia world it can be a little bit confusing - even
though everything is well documented - so I am sorry if we had overseen
something in the documentation. So we would be really happy for support,
pointers and hints and especially for a gerrit project and a vagrent role.

My username in gerrit as in other wikis is renepick

Best regards Sebastian Schlicht and Rene Pickhardt





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Skype: rene.pickhardt

mobile: +49 (0)176 5762 3618office: +49 (0) 261 / 287 2765fax: +49
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