RE: [WISPA] news
Dang Dee that's cool! Get Ed Wyatt fishing will ya? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of W.D.McKinney Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] news Not far enough north Patrick :-) Try Kenai, Alaska around July 19th. We can sit in lounge chairs overlooking the Kenai River, eat fresh Red Salmon, and relax. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:51:37 -0900 Subject: RE: [WISPA] news Btw, what's the best time of year in Odessa? I think I should go up there to escape and cave it with you for a weekend. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] news Point well taken. Marlon --- slinks back into the wireless underground where he's more up to speed. (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] news Friend, you live in your real world, which may or may not resemble everyone else's experiences, including WISPs. But regardless, you are making and publicizing financial judgments about other companies that are simply incorrect. Whether or not a public company makes or loses money is not an opinion, it is something that 30 seconds of researchon Google (thanks to those efficiencies) can reveal. You are a person to whom others listen to; you thus have a responsibility for being as factual (about simple facts) as possible. When you are not, it calls into question the validity of other statements about facts you might make, i.e. it becomes fair to wonder if you careless with the facts. As for opinions, you are 100% entitled to have and offer any. This is not a slam, just unsolicited advice from a peer who respects you and its protective of how you may be perceived (remember, everyday brings new readers). And yes, I know full well, that I often set myself as a lightning rod on lists, but I believe my facts are seldom in question (and I always welcome factual corrections). Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] news LOL Naw, I live in the real world. I try too hard to keep things simple sometimes though. My wife works for an accountant and when she puts a check to us in the books as an expense my eyes glaze over. Or when the bank tells me I'm not making any money cause there wasn't enough left over for the tax man to take at the end of the year. When ALL of the bills get paid, mostly on time, and when I have food on the table and new towers coming online I think things are going just fine! grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] news ..as for Vonage, it's investors have been fleeing in droves ever since the IPO, driving down the per share price from the high of about $17 to about $4.20 so far today (on the heels of the patent suit loss to Verizon). Yes, every share sold is also a share bought, but the company's violent share deterioration tells you clearly what the market, i.e. investors, think of the company as an investment. Marlon, I think you live in Oppositeville and not Odessa! Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] news Too bad some many customers say that the service sucks. I have a customer that moved. Loved our wireless so much she went with another wireless provider in the new local. Clearwire.
[WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed
Can Anyone service this location Link to a google map - Location http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=41+39+13+-79+28+53layer=ie=UT F8z=9ll=41.752873,-79.035645spn=0.850327,2.768555om=1 to be serviced How about Saxton PA Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Justice Department Takes Aim at Image-Sharing Sites
If you ALL joined one organization you would have a well-funded group to fight this. But most ISP's, WISP's, Hosts, and VoIP Providers don't pay for membership any where. Great at bitching. Champion, PhD bitching, but actually put up time and money to make one single org work, not so much. This industry - if you can even call it that - has a myriad of organizations mainly due to strong independent feelings. So instead of one really strong group representing, you have a scattering of smaller, less powerful associations. AASP, FISPA, Part-15, WISPA, TISPA, et al. CLEC's used to have that problem with ALTS, ASCENT and a couple of others. Now they have just enough members for one - one really weak one. - Peter wispa wrote: Excellent analogy. The difference being that there's WalMart and Kmart and hundreds of other well funded retailers with lawyers who'll tell them to stuff it. The little guys get nailed instead, because we haven't got a raft of lawyers waiting around on retainer for something to do. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] CALEA
I attended the Voice Peering Forum in Miami Beach Thursday and Friday. Acme Packet and SS8 gave presentations on Lawful Intercept. I will gladly email the 2 PDF's to you, if you send me your company name, address and phone. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - the NSP Strategist (813) 963-5884 www.4isps.com www.rad-info.net www.marketingideaguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...
I found this thread interesting. Enjoy, marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers... So a gent on the P15 Moto list asked a huge number of questions about Canopy. I thought it would be very interesting to attempt to answer them from a VL perspective. Since it took a ton of time, I wanted to get some use out them. Excellent questions actually. Pretty darned thorough. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are modifications to the APs FCC legal? No, but we numerous 3rd party sectors sectors certified that may e used. Our sectors range from 60, 90, and 120 degrees, plus omni choices (God forbid!) How wide are the 5.7 AP channels, is this adjustable? What would a SA show the channel width to be? Yes, 10 or 20 MHz wide. You can also change on the fly and all CPE will adjust automatically. What is the real-world distance achieved in a LOS situation without reflector, with? The CPE with VL comes with an integrated antenna which enables on the VL to reach about 7 miles LOS at full capacity (32mbps net ftp), 16mbps at 5 miles, 29mbps at 2 miles and 32mbps at 1 mile. The answer BTW to your Canopy question can be found on their doc CNPY-ADV-SUBMODFCT brochure produced in 2006. On that doc it says the range of the 5.7 w/o reflector is 14mbps to 1 mile and 7mbps to 2 miles. Beyond that you must have a reflector. With the reflect you get 14mbps to 5 miles and 7mbps to 10 miles. Are there any tools or utilities that Motorola or other offers to assist in the network development of Canopy products? There are things like link calculators, channel plan docs, and plenty of opportunity for direct consultation. Can two SMs on the same AP talk to each other without special routing? In VL it could be enabled via the many VLAN capabilities, which include QinQ VLAN support, but VL intentionally does not allow this out of the box (it is something the operator, i.e. you, should have control over.) Explain how the Advantage 14MB/s (or 20MB/s) works, how is that allocated, how true are those figures? Is the allocation dynamic? Can you mix breeds of SM on the AP? VL uses OFDM, which gives it some NLOS abilities (not so much with trees, but it also helps a bit there). The OFDM we uses adaptive modulates (dynamic) to maintain the best connection. Each mod level down is a lower rate. You can also set the radio to fix on a modulation level if you wish. All VL CPE versions work seamlessly together in any sector. Can an SM access the AP it's on for management? In VL the operator can assign multiple stations for management access. Is there a feature to disable broadcast traffic? Yes, VL has a broadcast rate limiting feature which can be set per subscriber. It can also send you a trap if any set station nears its limit. Why can't the APs use horizontal polarization? Doesn't this limit the radio's ability to co-locate? The CPEs now have an option (in the rev E version hardware) to be either H or V pol mounted. The AUs can be mounted either way (by way of antenna choice). Why is the latency so high for the APs (5-7ms)? N/A, but looking in terms of a specific application, the delay with the optional WLP (wireless link prioritization feature) feature is stable at 4 or less ms. What is the maximum PPS per AP? Up to about 6 downstream and 48000 upstream. Are there any tools to prevent or reduce the impact from an end-user launching a DoS attack? Yes, the broadcast rate limiting feature was designed specifically because of this threat. How do the APs handle VoIP traffic? Is there anything that can assist this? Better, literally, than any other AP in unlicensed, with up 288 CONCURRENT VoIP calls per AP (we call them AUs) with a MOS of better than 4.0. With the WLP feature implemented, MOS is typically over 4.1 and many tests show over 4.4. (I have some great VoIP graphs). We can also run tons of concurrent data. The graphs show this too. What is a realistic number of concurrent VoIP sessions an AP can handle? VL is the only product that can literally and dynamically prioritize VoIP over the entire pipe and across the entire sector (versus just dedicating a partition that must be allocated whether used or not). At the same time, VL has a starvation prevention mechanism to prevent starvation of low priority traffic. Are there any known problems with over-polling an AP with SNMP? We do not use polling. In our view it is less efficient than our implementation. Are the SMs SNMP capable, or only the data from a SM through the AP? Yes, if set to be one of the management consoles. What improvements over the current APs does Motorola hope to achieve in the next generation? VL was
[WISPA] ssi calea deadline Monday!!!
Hi All, Kris send me a note that said only 17 people had requested that he file the ssi for them There were over 50 that sent in the 445 via Kris. Guys, Kris has written a nice manual for us (that's what the ssi is). Use it or don't, but don't forget to file! I've cc'd Kris. If you have more questions I'm sure he'd just love to answer them :-). laters, marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks
Rumor has it they are up for sale... FYI Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've known them for a long time. Not one of the big guys but never heard anything at all bad about them either. Really good folks. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Javier Arigita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks I am looking for a high capacity link in license bands. I am having a look at Microwave Networks (/www.microwavenetworks.com). Do you have any experience with this manufacturer? I am not really an expert in license links. I know Ceragon, Dragonwave and Microwave. Does anyone have an idea of the ranking of vendors for license wireless links? Many Thanks and Best Regards, Javier Arigita -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] ferrite beads was...Re: [RFI] HIGH POWER and RFI...
Hi guys, Thought you might be interested in this link. marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Sudds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] ferrite beads was...Re: [RFI] HIGH POWER and RFI... At 08:27 AM 3/10/2007 -0800, Marlon wrote: Marlon Check here:http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf Page 13 lists a bunch. Good luck! I know that I'll need it myself ;) (Thanks, Jim!) Chuck KØTVD Where do I find those freqs? I've looked on google but haven't found any good data that I can understand. thanks marlon ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks
Hey there Bob! How the heck have you been? I called a couple of times to say hello but never made it past your voice jail. I was starting to wonder if you'd fallen off a ladder or something! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks Rumor has it they are up for sale... FYI Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've known them for a long time. Not one of the big guys but never heard anything at all bad about them either. Really good folks. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Javier Arigita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks I am looking for a high capacity link in license bands. I am having a look at Microwave Networks (/www.microwavenetworks.com). Do you have any experience with this manufacturer? I am not really an expert in license links. I know Ceragon, Dragonwave and Microwave. Does anyone have an idea of the ranking of vendors for license wireless links? Many Thanks and Best Regards, Javier Arigita -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] License Wireless Link. Microwave Networks
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hey there Bob! How the heck have you been? I called a couple of times to say hello but never made it past your voice jail. I was starting to wonder if you'd fallen off a ladder or something! laters, marlon Not me. Sorry for not getting back to you but you never left a number when you left a message and I lost your number when I changed Blackberry's. I yes I am too lazy/busy to look it up on the web. Been just real busy. Don't have time for anything... Hope all is well with everyone here. BTW: I would have thought you would have retired by now Marlon! :-) -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Are there any known problems with over-polling an AP with SNMP? We do not use polling. In our view it is less efficient than our implementation. Are the SMs SNMP capable, or only the data from a SM through the AP? Yes, if set to be one of the management consoles. These 2 questions and answers don't match. ;-) Patrick's answers are not related to the question. I'd be interested to know the answer to the second question (for VL). Where are the SMs authentication information (MAC, etc.) stored at? AP level? If an AP fails, what is involved with replacing that AP and restoring the SMs? Are there any backup utilities to assist? MAC table. If an AU fails and the best AU setting is enabled the CPEs will automatically re-associate to the next best AU. All CPE and AUs have a shadow flash and different firmware can be stored on each flash, this is invaluable if for some reason an upgrade fails in process. We are the only ones with shadow flash (that I know of). AUs can also be deployed stand alone or as part of a chassis system with blades. In the chassis configuration supports redundant power and you can swap IDUs should an IDU fail. Again here...the question was related to subscriber (cpe) authentication. What authentication methods exist for VL? Do they use a local database? Does VL support RADIUS auth for the CPE? Do the SM and AP have a log that we can see information about interfaces and traffic? There's a question I do not know the answer to, but I can find out. Obviously not like a packet shaper though. The question was about historical traffic information (not shaping). I'm not certain the question really makes much sense, but it sounds like he is asking about something similar to a graph of interface traffic and other stats (dropped packets, retrans, etc.). Whew, that took a while. But it was a good exercise for me anyway. I'm happy to say I could answer most without looking at the manual. Not bad for a non-tech. No kidding! It was a good read (thanks, Marlon for posting). There are a couple of questions that I had, as a follow up to the original question/answer post. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] How many WISPs ?
1) How many are there total - anyone know ? 2) How many are registered here and listening 3) How many are members of WISPA ? 4) How do we start calling other WISPS and get them to join WISPA ? 3,000 x $270 / year = lobbying $$$. 100 x 270 / year = joke. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...
I'm sold. Anyone wanna buy me some? COMNET has nice pricing on CPE's, but are there any discounts on the AU's? There's so many parts it seems between the blade chassis and that, I don't even know what parts that I'd need to order. Also, I was concerned with the blade chassis that 200' of LMR400 would be too lossy to be useful - or does this have some kind of low frequency IF signalling that's used on the cable itself? Some equipment I've noticed uses a much lower frequency up the tower that even LMR175 could be used. Can I use this on an non-live, unipole, AM radio tower? Thanks - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers... I found this thread interesting. Enjoy, marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers... [...] How do the APs handle VoIP traffic? Is there anything that can assist this? Better, literally, than any other AP in unlicensed, with up 288 CONCURRENT VoIP calls per AP (we call them AUs) with a MOS of better than 4.0. With the WLP feature implemented, MOS is typically over 4.1 and many tests show over 4.4. (I have some great VoIP graphs). We can also run tons of concurrent data. The graphs show this too. What is a realistic number of concurrent VoIP sessions an AP can handle? VL is the only product that can literally and dynamically prioritize VoIP over the entire pipe and across the entire sector (versus just dedicating a partition that must be allocated whether used or not). At the same time, VL has a starvation prevention mechanism to prevent starvation of low priority traffic. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...
Impressive list of QA. Not an issue, but I think the Questioner was asking about a different topic than the answerer was thinking of on one question. I added the Q A to make it clear: Q Are there any known problems with over-polling an AP with SNMP? A We do not use polling. In our view it is less efficient than our implementation. I believe the questioner was thinking about a recent thread regarding Canopy where a couple wisps surprising observations were being discussed relative to the product's recent major OS replacement release by Motorola (Release 8). In the thread someone observed that his network traffic appeared to slow down when his network management application began polling radios by SNMP. Continuous ping window times climbed in curious coincidence with network manager performance polling. That's why from the langugage (and mention of SNMP) I don't think he was referring to polling as a means of bandwidth allocation between APs SMs. Changing OS (and consequently stacks) is a significant change. There was a previous list of Canopy problems attributable to the OS communications stacks that could not be addressed because the license for the stacks did not provide source to the Canopy developers. Ultimately a change to a different OS license (where all communications stacks were provided with source) was needed so that the developers had the means to work on problems that had been long unaddressed. Motorola beta tested this Release 8 longer than typical because of the major impact such a change could potentially create. However, it was eventually released (very recently), and some strange stack behaviors have begun to be noticed. If I'm interpreting correctly this is a very different question, indeed. It likely has to do with how APs and BH units prioritize responding to management communications over customer traffic. It might even involve issue with the number of threads the OS can support. The questioner is simply wondering if others have noticed known problems with SNMP polling of APs. Canopy may have some issue, which could be significant to a wisp if he's become reliant upon network performance monitoring (which is a good thing IMO). Rich - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers... I found this thread interesting. Enjoy, marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers... So a gent on the P15 Moto list asked a huge number of questions about Canopy. I thought it would be very interesting to attempt to answer them from a VL perspective. Since it took a ton of time, I wanted to get some use out them. Excellent questions actually. Pretty darned thorough. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are modifications to the APs FCC legal? No, but we numerous 3rd party sectors sectors certified that may e used. Our sectors range from 60, 90, and 120 degrees, plus omni choices (God forbid!) How wide are the 5.7 AP channels, is this adjustable? What would a SA show the channel width to be? Yes, 10 or 20 MHz wide. You can also change on the fly and all CPE will adjust automatically. What is the real-world distance achieved in a LOS situation without reflector, with? The CPE with VL comes with an integrated antenna which enables on the VL to reach about 7 miles LOS at full capacity (32mbps net ftp), 16mbps at 5 miles, 29mbps at 2 miles and 32mbps at 1 mile. The answer BTW to your Canopy question can be found on their doc CNPY-ADV-SUBMODFCT brochure produced in 2006. On that doc it says the range of the 5.7 w/o reflector is 14mbps to 1 mile and 7mbps to 2 miles. Beyond that you must have a reflector. With the reflect you get 14mbps to 5 miles and 7mbps to 10 miles. Are there any tools or utilities that Motorola or other offers to assist in the network development of Canopy products? There are things like link calculators, channel plan docs, and plenty of opportunity for direct consultation. Can two SMs on the same AP talk to each other without special routing? In VL it could be enabled via the many VLAN capabilities, which include QinQ VLAN support, but VL intentionally does not allow this out of the box (it is something the operator, i.e. you, should have control over.) Explain how the Advantage 14MB/s (or 20MB/s) works, how is that allocated, how true are those figures? Is the allocation dynamic? Can you mix breeds of SM on the AP? VL uses OFDM, which gives it some NLOS abilities (not so much with trees, but it also helps a bit there). The OFDM we uses adaptive modulates
RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed
It's a great area sir ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed Hey Johnny, I would love too, but that one would require one heck of a PtP shot!. I don't think there is anyone there??. JohnnyO wrote: Can Anyone service this location Link to a google map - Location http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=41+39+13+-79+28+53layer=ie=UT F8z=9ll=41.752873,-79.035645spn=0.850327,2.768555om=1 to be serviced How about Saxton PA Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed
Hey Johnny, I would love too, but that one would require one heck of a PtP shot!. I don't think there is anyone there??. JohnnyO wrote: Can Anyone service this location Link to a google map - Location http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=41+39+13+-79+28+53layer=ie=UT F8z=9ll=41.752873,-79.035645spn=0.850327,2.768555om=1 to be serviced How about Saxton PA Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...
Patrick would be able to provide you with more/better info. But here is a quick rundown. On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 15:25 -0500, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I'm sold. Anyone wanna buy me some? COMNET has nice pricing on CPE's, but are there any discounts on the AU's? I believe there are two versions of the AU available (the lower end one is software upgradeable) There's so many parts it seems between the blade chassis and that, I don't even know what parts that I'd need to order. The blade Chassis is for power, you can also buy individual power bricks for the AUs. The chassis provides the benifit of redundant power to each IDU. and a clean install. the Chassis will also work with other types of Alvarion AUs, I believe. Also, I was concerned with the blade chassis that 200' of LMR400 would be too lossy to be useful - or does this have some kind of low frequency IF signalling that's used on the cable itself? Some equipment I've noticed uses a much lower frequency up the tower that even LMR175 could be used. Its cat5 from the chassis to the AU, the chassis is just for power. Can I use this on an non-live, unipole, AM radio tower? Thanks Your welcome, Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Window decal
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 10:44 -0800, CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Anybody have some generic hotspot window decals. We have eight open hotspots, but they have been asking for interior window decals, like the MasterCard / visa ones. I would like to by 10 to 20 or what ever you can spare. Add Free wireless to this and you have one, plus its a vector graphic so its nice and scalable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wireless_tower.svg Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed
If it is that great?, maybe we should hang an AP and get busy?. Do you know any good consultants that could show us how to do it?., LOL! :-$ JohnnyO wrote: It's a great area sir ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed Hey Johnny, I would love too, but that one would require one heck of a PtP shot!. I don't think there is anyone there??. JohnnyO wrote: Can Anyone service this location Link to a google map - Location http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=41+39+13+-79+28+53layer=ie=UT F8z=9ll=41.752873,-79.035645spn=0.850327,2.768555om=1 to be serviced How about Saxton PA Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed
How far away are you from that location ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed If it is that great?, maybe we should hang an AP and get busy?. Do you know any good consultants that could show us how to do it?., LOL! :-$ JohnnyO wrote: It's a great area sir ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed Hey Johnny, I would love too, but that one would require one heck of a PtP shot!. I don't think there is anyone there??. JohnnyO wrote: Can Anyone service this location Link to a google map - Location http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=41+39+13+-79+28+53layer=ie=UT F8z=9ll=41.752873,-79.035645spn=0.850327,2.768555om=1 to be serviced How about Saxton PA Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...
Could you forward along the Motorola thread as well for comparison? Thanks. Patrick Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I found this thread interesting. Enjoy, marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers... So a gent on the P15 Moto list asked a huge number of questions about Canopy. I thought it would be very interesting to attempt to answer them from a VL perspective. Since it took a ton of time, I wanted to get some use out them. Excellent questions actually. Pretty darned thorough. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are modifications to the APs FCC legal? No, but we numerous 3rd party sectors sectors certified that may e used. Our sectors range from 60, 90, and 120 degrees, plus omni choices (God forbid!) How wide are the 5.7 AP channels, is this adjustable? What would a SA show the channel width to be? Yes, 10 or 20 MHz wide. You can also change on the fly and all CPE will adjust automatically. What is the real-world distance achieved in a LOS situation without reflector, with? The CPE with VL comes with an integrated antenna which enables on the VL to reach about 7 miles LOS at full capacity (32mbps net ftp), 16mbps at 5 miles, 29mbps at 2 miles and 32mbps at 1 mile. The answer BTW to your Canopy question can be found on their doc CNPY-ADV-SUBMODFCT brochure produced in 2006. On that doc it says the range of the 5.7 w/o reflector is 14mbps to 1 mile and 7mbps to 2 miles. Beyond that you must have a reflector. With the reflect you get 14mbps to 5 miles and 7mbps to 10 miles. Are there any tools or utilities that Motorola or other offers to assist in the network development of Canopy products? There are things like link calculators, channel plan docs, and plenty of opportunity for direct consultation. Can two SMs on the same AP talk to each other without special routing? In VL it could be enabled via the many VLAN capabilities, which include QinQ VLAN support, but VL intentionally does not allow this out of the box (it is something the operator, i.e. you, should have control over.) Explain how the Advantage 14MB/s (or 20MB/s) works, how is that allocated, how true are those figures? Is the allocation dynamic? Can you mix breeds of SM on the AP? VL uses OFDM, which gives it some NLOS abilities (not so much with trees, but it also helps a bit there). The OFDM we uses adaptive modulates (dynamic) to maintain the best connection. Each mod level down is a lower rate. You can also set the radio to fix on a modulation level if you wish. All VL CPE versions work seamlessly together in any sector. Can an SM access the AP it's on for management? In VL the operator can assign multiple stations for management access. Is there a feature to disable broadcast traffic? Yes, VL has a broadcast rate limiting feature which can be set per subscriber. It can also send you a trap if any set station nears its limit. Why can't the APs use horizontal polarization? Doesn't this limit the radio's ability to co-locate? The CPEs now have an option (in the rev E version hardware) to be either H or V pol mounted. The AUs can be mounted either way (by way of antenna choice). Why is the latency so high for the APs (5-7ms)? N/A, but looking in terms of a specific application, the delay with the optional WLP (wireless link prioritization feature) feature is stable at 4 or less ms. What is the maximum PPS per AP? Up to about 6 downstream and 48000 upstream. Are there any tools to prevent or reduce the impact from an end-user launching a DoS attack? Yes, the broadcast rate limiting feature was designed specifically because of this threat. How do the APs handle VoIP traffic? Is there anything that can assist this? Better, literally, than any other AP in unlicensed, with up 288 CONCURRENT VoIP calls per AP (we call them AUs) with a MOS of better than 4.0. With the WLP feature implemented, MOS is typically over 4.1 and many tests show over 4.4. (I have some great VoIP graphs). We can also run tons of concurrent data. The graphs show this too. What is a realistic number of concurrent VoIP sessions an AP can handle? VL is the only product that can literally and dynamically prioritize VoIP over the entire pipe and across the entire sector (versus just dedicating a partition that must be allocated whether used or not). At the same time, VL has a starvation prevention mechanism to prevent starvation of low priority traffic. Are there any known problems with over-polling an AP with SNMP? We do not use polling. In our view it is less efficient than our implementation. Are the SMs SNMP capable, or only the data from a SM through the AP? Yes, if set to be one of the management consoles. What improvements over the current
RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed
heh. My closest tower is 282 miles from there. LOL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed How far away are you from that location ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed If it is that great?, maybe we should hang an AP and get busy?. Do you know any good consultants that could show us how to do it?., LOL! :-$ JohnnyO wrote: It's a great area sir ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed Hey Johnny, I would love too, but that one would require one heck of a PtP shot!. I don't think there is anyone there??. JohnnyO wrote: Can Anyone service this location Link to a google map - Location http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=41+39+13+-79+28+53layer=ie=UT F8z=9ll=41.752873,-79.035645spn=0.850327,2.768555om=1 to be serviced How about Saxton PA Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
