Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
I had a couple of customers running their cores with 3.0. on x86 platforms though. We did find a weird nat issue, but that was on build 10. On 8/4/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just jokingly said it, but with MT's track record of PR hell... > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 > > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: > > > >>And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC > >>compliant... only their board. > > > > No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If I > > were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd have to > > spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. > > > > FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on and > > not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. > > > > -- > > Butch Evans > > Network Engineering and Security Consulting > > 573-276-2879 > > http://www.butchevans.com/ > > My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 > > Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf > > Mikrotik Certified Consultant > > http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: www.mikrotikrouter.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] EMERGENCY HELP - 2' DISH NEEDED - 5ghz
HELP! Got hit by lightning, was using a 5ghz CM9 w/LMR to a 2' PAC Wireless 5ghz dish. When I enable the interface, EVERYTHING in 5ghz up here goes down. Massive ping times, etc. I've replaced the routerboard / CM9 (went up to R52) and the pigtail / jumper. Only thing left is the feedhorn on the dish, and I don't have a spare. Can anyone help me ? I'm in Northern NJ. I will come pick it up if necessary. Gotta get this link running again before Monday - will switch to a panel if I need to - this is a 13 mile link that's usually -61 with the dish. (2' dish on the other end...) Send me email offlist and I'll contact you. Thanks in advance! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?
I don't feel a need to defend my statements, but because I believe that this particular incidence could provide a service for others, I will explain my opinion as best as possible. I don't believe my opinion is right or wrong, it is just that, an opinion. Your opinion has as much use as my own, to challenge one to decide on their own, which they agree with, if any. I did not believe or feel that Robert was breaking any rules on this list, I feel he was contributing. I see nothing wrong wiht his post. I did not see his post as a commercial advertisement, nor as selling or self promotion. I have seen this list bicker back and forth about what is and what isn't more than once, and the precedence I have seen among this list doesn't include his particular post as being self promotion. I think his post was fine and could provide a beneficial service. I further think that if you felt his post was breaking a rule, or was pressing the limits as to what is commercial advertising, your concern should have been addressed off-list. If you didn't believe that this was the case, then why publicly and repeatedly express that what he was doing was something wrong. If the majority of the WISPA board thinks he is soliciting, ban him from posting and take the discussion off-list, properly explain how you or the board feels. If he is not soliciting, then don't publicly bash the fact that you pay money to someone and he doesn't. I think my argument is very simple. Zack On 8/3/07, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Replies below: > > Zack Kneisley wrote: > > Scriv, > > I can see where you are coming from, but is this not an open list? > > You bet it is open. Thanks to people who pay the dues and donate their > time to keep it that way. > > I think > > that denying a person advice based on their business structure is a bit > > rude. I'm not sure how this would come across to Robert, but I know how > it > > would come across to me. > > > What did I deny this guy? I consider it rude to use open list resources > as a place to build market data on our industry without throwing a > little money in the kitty. I pay my dues, year in and year out, I donate > my time. So if people want to use this list to develop a new business > model that includes making money from the WISPs who are on here then all > I am saying is that it is "rude" to not throw some money our way and > show you support our industry. How is what this guy is doing with his > "number one placement Google ad bot" any different than someone trying > to sell you or me a better access point or something? We would not allow > that without being a vendor here. I guess the real issue I have about > your argument here is that this list is open and I should be allowed to > explain why I think he should pay a vendor dues payment just as freely > as you are to say I am rude. > > I am not telling Robert he cannot do what he is doing. I just think it > would be better for him to formalize his relationship with WISPA if he > is intending to use our resources to market to our membership here. That > is what we ask of any other vendor. > Scriv > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Chipping in here, To be fair to MT: AFAIK It's harder/more expensive to design 48V-input power supplies (the chips on most boards require some mix of 5.0/3.3/2.5V or other rails) than lower voltages. Of course 48V is desirable by users, because of lower cable loss, enabling longer runs. I had this debate with the MT people some time back, in favour of 48V. It seems there are far more 12-30V chipsets, and easier-to-implemet designs, than at 48V. Also, telco environments always have 48V (36-72 a common spec) But commercial pressures (people only buy high volumes at low price points) probably guided the "28V max non-isolated" decision. Also, relevant point: Some boards out ther have **isolated** input PSUs. The RB532 and 112 for example. However, most boards don't. Well isolation costs money (read: custom-wound transformer, other components) but non-isolated designs are cheaper. Well that depends on your deployments - some environments cope with non-isolated roof/tower-top devices fine - and some don't. Important to consider that. I hope that comment is of help - Regards Stephen Patrick CableFree Solutions -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 August 2007 19:13 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 Maybe someone can post the link to the FCC docs showing their certification? Also, you will notice their PoE only supports up to 28VDC now, rather than 48VDC like the RB532. They probably couldn't get the boards to pass FCC at 48V. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: > >> And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC >> compliant... only their board. > > No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If > I were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd > have to spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. > > FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on > and not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
I just jokingly said it, but with MT's track record of PR hell... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC compliant... only their board. No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If I were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd have to spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on and not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT v3 was: MT announces RB192 and RB333
MT v3 is now in a release candidate release. Have they solved the issues enough to really call it a release candidate? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 Are you finding v3 to be a stable, functioning OS right now? I attempted to load it on a 532 board about two months ago and the board would reboot or lock-up about every 3-5 days. I put 2.9.40 back and it has been up solid since then. I did see about a 10% improvement on the wireless speeds with v3, but it just wasn't stable. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, David E. Smith wrote: The 192 (I don't think I've ever needed nine Ethernet ports on one board) is a MIPS chip, the same as the Routerboard 500s, so in theory it should work. I'm not Mikrotik, so I can't confirm this, but it SHOULD work... It's the same chip as the 100 series (150,133,112,etc.). It's a 175 MHz processor. The 333 is listed as running on a PPC chip, which isn't supported by any older version of RouterOS. This is correct. The new routerboards (300, 800 and 1000 series) will only be supported in version 3.x. That's what MT said at the MUM. Didn't the RouterBoard 500s have the same problem at release (where they were only supported by the still-beta RouterOS 2.9 software)? Yep. 2.8.x was never compiled for the MIPS platform. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Are you finding v3 to be a stable, functioning OS right now? I attempted to load it on a 532 board about two months ago and the board would reboot or lock-up about every 3-5 days. I put 2.9.40 back and it has been up solid since then. I did see about a 10% improvement on the wireless speeds with v3, but it just wasn't stable. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, David E. Smith wrote: The 192 (I don't think I've ever needed nine Ethernet ports on one board) is a MIPS chip, the same as the Routerboard 500s, so in theory it should work. I'm not Mikrotik, so I can't confirm this, but it SHOULD work... It's the same chip as the 100 series (150,133,112,etc.). It's a 175 MHz processor. The 333 is listed as running on a PPC chip, which isn't supported by any older version of RouterOS. This is correct. The new routerboards (300, 800 and 1000 series) will only be supported in version 3.x. That's what MT said at the MUM. Didn't the RouterBoard 500s have the same problem at release (where they were only supported by the still-beta RouterOS 2.9 software)? Yep. 2.8.x was never compiled for the MIPS platform. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Maybe someone can post the link to the FCC docs showing their certification? Also, you will notice their PoE only supports up to 28VDC now, rather than 48VDC like the RB532. They probably couldn't get the boards to pass FCC at 48V. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC compliant... only their board. No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If I were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd have to spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on and not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC compliant... only their board. No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If I were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd have to spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on and not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, David E. Smith wrote: The 192 (I don't think I've ever needed nine Ethernet ports on one board) is a MIPS chip, the same as the Routerboard 500s, so in theory it should work. I'm not Mikrotik, so I can't confirm this, but it SHOULD work... It's the same chip as the 100 series (150,133,112,etc.). It's a 175 MHz processor. The 333 is listed as running on a PPC chip, which isn't supported by any older version of RouterOS. This is correct. The new routerboards (300, 800 and 1000 series) will only be supported in version 3.x. That's what MT said at the MUM. Didn't the RouterBoard 500s have the same problem at release (where they were only supported by the still-beta RouterOS 2.9 software)? Yep. 2.8.x was never compiled for the MIPS platform. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
