Re: [WISPA] Netflix
They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of Level3. And what message would that send? Did you expect Cogent to jsut take it in the chin, and accept the fate LEvel3 dictated? I disagree. Level3 could have bandwidth limited Cogent, instead of depeering Cogent. Cogent did what they had to do. The message was loud and clear, and successful. That Cogent would not accept being bullied. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Mike Hammett wrote: The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent. It has the same effect, but a different cause. Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al. -Matt -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix
Tom DeReggi wrote: And what message would that send? Did you expect Cogent to jsut take it in the chin, and accept the fate LEvel3 dictated? I disagree. This was a peering contract dispute. I imagine Level3 was within their rights to cancel the contract otherwise we would have seen a lawsuit. If you read this peering contracts it is quite specific as to the rules of the game. They state that the peering relationship can be terminated for not satisfying the requirements of the peering policy. In Cogent's case, that is almost always the ratio requirement. Level3 could have bandwidth limited Cogent, instead of depeering Cogent. That would have put Level3 in default of the peering contract most likely. At least, when we enter into peering contract the speed is specified. Cogent did what they had to do. The message was loud and clear, and successful. That Cogent would not accept being bullied. I don't think it was. Folks that were single-homed lost business and learned not to rely on Cogent. The folks who had learned that lesson the last time around felt satisfied with their anti-Cogent bias. Level3 got Cogent to do what they wanted. Ultimately, today Cogent's peering is worse than it was before the Level3 dispute. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] iPhone
Hi, About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless (a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to say I am keeping the phone! This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first generation phone. Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :) Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone
I would not mind trying one, but GSM is not an option around here :( Ryan Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless (a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to say I am keeping the phone! This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first generation phone. Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :) Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] iPhone
I read somewhere that you don't want to perform the latest Update from Apple with a hacked IPhone. Something about the update can break the hacked phones. Of course Apple says the update has no intention of doing so...yah right! Quick search came up with this: http://www.daniusoft.com/news/iphone-update-thwarts-hacks.html Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone I would not mind trying one, but GSM is not an option around here :( Ryan Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless (a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to say I am keeping the phone! This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first generation phone. Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :) Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
They have submitted for several OET's from my understanding, for those frequencies. On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: And speaking of misleading Jeff, you should do the basic diligence before reporting what is or is not available in the U.S. from any vendor. All are welcome to check who has what available at least in the U.S. via this search. Jeff, if you are accurate, you'll see all these frequency options for versions on the OET equipment authorization search. Of the seven you list Jeff, only two are available. The rest is just talk or a place mark on a future roadmap. See for yourself: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum ...not misleading fluff, Airspan for example is shipping TODAY 802.16-2004 compliant ( not wimax compliant, not that it matters considering there is no wimax interop for QOS, so really who cares anyways ) solutions in 1.4, 2.3, 2.5, 3.3-37, 5.4, 4.9, and 5.8ghz bands. - Jeff ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
Have you verified your information source with research or are you suggesting we believe your third party understanding? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum They have submitted for several OET's from my understanding, for those frequencies. On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: And speaking of misleading Jeff, you should do the basic diligence before reporting what is or is not available in the U.S. from any vendor. All are welcome to check who has what available at least in the U.S. via this search. Jeff, if you are accurate, you'll see all these frequency options for versions on the OET equipment authorization search. Of the seven you list Jeff, only two are available. The rest is just talk or a place mark on a future roadmap. See for yourself: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum ...not misleading fluff, Airspan for example is shipping TODAY 802.16-2004 compliant ( not wimax compliant, not that it matters considering there is no wimax interop for QOS, so really who cares anyways ) solutions in 1.4, 2.3, 2.5, 3.3-37, 5.4, 4.9, and 5.8ghz bands. - Jeff ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1044 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1044 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 11:10 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Charles Wu email address
Can anyone help me email Charles? My email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounced. Thanks !! jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Charles Wu email address
Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED], -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
Rick, When your Rep @ xyz company says they have applied for FCC clearance and expect type certification to be completed within 2-3 weeks, I would say thats pretty good info, you are correct that I probably should take the time to verify everything they have stated- and I do agree I should have qualified that within my original response. Anyways, sorry to bother. tks, Jeff On Oct 2, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Have you verified your information source with research or are you suggesting we believe your third party understanding? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum They have submitted for several OET's from my understanding, for those frequencies. On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: And speaking of misleading Jeff, you should do the basic diligence before reporting what is or is not available in the U.S. from any vendor. All are welcome to check who has what available at least in the U.S. via this search. Jeff, if you are accurate, you'll see all these frequency options for versions on the OET equipment authorization search. Of the seven you list Jeff, only two are available. The rest is just talk or a place mark on a future roadmap. See for yourself: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum ...not misleading fluff, Airspan for example is shipping TODAY 802.16-2004 compliant ( not wimax compliant, not that it matters considering there is no wimax interop for QOS, so really who cares anyways ) solutions in 1.4, 2.3, 2.5, 3.3-37, 5.4, 4.9, and 5.8ghz bands. - Jeff * * ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). * * ** * * ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. * * ** - - -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1044 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 11:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1044 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 11:10 AM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
[WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix
Most cable and DSL contracts give providers 30 days to fix an outage, without gross neglaence or financial compensation, when you read the fine print. But I can tell you that after 3 days, its living hell for both parties if its not involved, regardless of what the contract says. You can now argue that ILECs aren't legally required to provide to deliver Network Neutrality practices to third parties, but they are still expected, and when they aren't the Press has a field day. My point is that there are always two things in place. 1) A legal agreement, meant to protect the intities, and then 2) the expectations that someone has for the future of the relationship. Legal agreements are handled in court. Expectations (whether they are reached or not) are handled via social pressure. With the exception of maybe a Lawyer, the public almost always puts a higher value on what is right and wrong with little regard for what a legal agreement says. That is why MANY legal agreements get revised after the fact, pre/post a dispute, to reassess the terms to match new expectations of both parties. That would have put Level3 in default of the peering contract most likely. At least, when we enter into peering contract the speed is specified. Thats a good point. But not necessarilly. Level3 claimed to have given Cogent multiple notices that they were going to de-peer them. Level3 had fair right to legally cancel the peering agreement, and give statement that it was effectively cancelled. Just because they Legally cancelled the peering agreement didn't mean that they had to technically de-peer. After the fact they could have just bandwidth managed, to force the ratios, to minimize the impact to Cogent and Level3 customers. The truth is there was no more guilty party. This was a Wild West, 15 round Prize fight, Showdown. Two parties trying to prove and learn who was stronger. It takes two to showdown. This is event is one of the more well know peering disputes today. It opened the eyes at the FCC relating to NetNeutrality. And it has all the other Tier1 providers using it as a historical record of what would happen. I also believe it indirectly prevented other similar re-occurrances. Folks that were single-homed lost business and learned not to rely on Cogent. Fully agree. We felt it big, and still feel it today, from customer perception. It wasn't a win for anyone. But Level3 also felt it big, I know alot of Level3 web hosts that now have redundant circuits with Cogent. It was also Level3, that downsized and discontinued alots of their dealers this past year, possibly a side effect of lost market share, from this type dispute. Level3 undisputedly knowingly caused harm to Cogent customers by their actions. Level3's reputation was heavilly tarnished because of it as an ego driven, no remorse, bad guy, regardless of whether they had juste cause for their de-peering. Ultimately, today Cogent's peering is worse than it was before the Level3 dispute. I'm not sure that is true. And if it were, I'd argue, its not related, as the Level3 insodent caused damage in areas relating to customers perception, not peering. Whether Cogent has or doesn't have good peering is a totally different topic. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Tom DeReggi wrote: And what message would that send? Did you expect Cogent to jsut take it in the chin, and accept the fate LEvel3 dictated? I disagree. This was a peering contract dispute. I imagine Level3 was within their rights to cancel the contract otherwise we would have seen a lawsuit. If you read this peering contracts it is quite specific as to the rules of the game. They state that the peering relationship can be terminated for not satisfying the requirements of the peering policy. In Cogent's case, that is almost always the ratio requirement. Level3 could have bandwidth limited Cogent, instead of depeering Cogent. That would have put Level3 in default of the peering contract most likely. At least, when we enter into peering contract the speed is specified. Cogent did what they had to do. The message was loud and clear, and successful. That Cogent would not accept being bullied. I don't think it was. Folks that were single-homed lost business and learned not to rely on Cogent. The folks who had learned that lesson the last time around felt satisfied with their anti-Cogent bias. Level3 got Cogent to do what they wanted. Ultimately, today Cogent's peering is worse than it was before the Level3 dispute. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October
Re: [WISPA] iPhone
I'm interested in more feedback. Cool for you as the CEO? or cool as a future phone for your techs? I was considering getting one, for the awesome screen, but was concerned about its missing features. Am I correct that it will not support GPS or Camera? You can listen to your music Do you really want to be doing that, wasting your battery life? How is the battery life? And not hearing the phone ring, because of it? Or does the ringer overide the music, to enable hearing it? Can you load an SSH client on it, like Putty? We know the full screen is clearly a winner. But how is the keypad? I really like the large keys on the slideout keyboards, on alternative palmtop WindowCe style phones. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] iPhone Hi, About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless (a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to say I am keeping the phone! This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first generation phone. Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :) Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 130 days Available 116 130 days Available 120 16 7.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Well, I guess the DFS2 mechanism works! And the radios could not find an open (non radar) frequency? Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
A Fcc certification search gives no results for Tranzeo in 5.4 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 130 days Available 116 130 days Available 120 16 7.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Ryan, Is that the same Link Jim had problems with every once in while after dark? We figured they must have been testing the new top secret aircraft.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 130 days Available 116 130 days Available 120 16 7.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
I think he was talking 5.3 Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? A Fcc certification search gives no results for Tranzeo in 5.4 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 130 days Available 116 130 days Available 120 16 7.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] iPhone
Tom, It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on their name and you had the full conversation since it began. The iPhone is the same way. I send and receive about 1500-2000 text messages per month on my phone, so that was #1 priority. The next issue was having a web browser that was actually usable... by usable I mean something that you would WANT to use to check news, alert systems, etc. while sitting at lunch, etc. It works very, very well for that. It has a built in camera that is better than the Treo, but not awesome. It's a camera built in to a phone, what do you expect? I think it's rated at 2MP. No current GPS support. Battery life so far is very impressive (considering WiFi is left on all the time). I am getting about 2 full days of use per charge. The keyboard is a little strange to get used to, but then it's pretty good. It does auto correction on the mis-typed words, and seems to work pretty well. It's also a full-blown iPod... same connector (so everything iPod works) and a very nice, easy to use interface. The idea, as Steve Jobs mentioned, is that I now have 1 device that has everything I need all in one. Is it a laptop replacement? No. Is it a techie's dream phone for hacking, SSH, etc... probably not. But it's small and thin enough that it fits in my front pocket on my Levi's, and keeps me 100% connected to my network and the Net. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm interested in more feedback. Cool for you as the CEO? or cool as a future phone for your techs? I was considering getting one, for the awesome screen, but was concerned about its missing features. Am I correct that it will not support GPS or Camera? You can listen to your music Do you really want to be doing that, wasting your battery life? How is the battery life? And not hearing the phone ring, because of it? Or does the ringer overide the music, to enable hearing it? Can you load an SSH client on it, like Putty? We know the full screen is clearly a winner. But how is the keypad? I really like the large keys on the slideout keyboards, on alternative palmtop WindowCe style phones. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] iPhone Hi, About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless (a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to say I am keeping the phone! This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first generation phone. Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :) Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Yup, and the channels listed there are not in the 5.4 range. But part of the frequency it does support has a DFS requirement (from my understanding), just relaying some info. - Original Message Follows - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:25:30 -0400 A Fcc certification search gives no results for Tranzeo in 5.4 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: ChannelRADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 1241 30 days Available 1161 30 days Available 120167.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandalscomputer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Nope, before everything out there was 2.4, There is one
link to the east that could have been affected by radar from
the airport.
Ryan
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From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:38:37 -0500
Ryan,
Is that the same Link Jim had problems with every once in
while after dark? We figured they must have been testing
the new top secret aircraft..
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan
Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force
base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is
right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it
in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the
DFS info we have:
ChannelRADAR EventsTime Since Last Event
Current Status 1241 30 days
Available
1161 30 days
Available
120167.20 days
Available
Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS
events.
ryan
On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are
using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us.
I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects.
It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it,
for building possitive public perception.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message - From: Patrick Leary
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Hi folks,
So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2
kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many
reports where radars are forcing
the radios to vacate and move to another channel.
We are getting asked this a lot of late since we
released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars
much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are
rural, rural coastal, etc.
Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but
I don't think we
have any case where those found a radar.
Thanks,
Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
This doesn't come as a surprise. We deployed a couple VL units and they were all but shut down due to a less than ideal RF environment. Countless hours over days if not weeks with Alvarion's finest in an effort to remedy the situation were unsuccessful. Reflecting back on our particular scenario it was pretty interesting to see how poorly they handled peak business hours when interfering RF activity was high. The radios would then speed up as hostile RF became less active allowing more airtime for the VL to TX RX. This was arguably one of the more miserable events of our company's entire existence. sigh That said it is fair to say, if the RF is clean the VL radios will scream. Best, Brad Ps. I'll be bracing for Patrick's attempts to discredit me for opting out of Alvarion's $1000 class. grin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
So Brad, what did you use? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? This doesn't come as a surprise. We deployed a couple VL units and they were all but shut down due to a less than ideal RF environment. Countless hours over days if not weeks with Alvarion's finest in an effort to remedy the situation were unsuccessful. Reflecting back on our particular scenario it was pretty interesting to see how poorly they handled peak business hours when interfering RF activity was high. The radios would then speed up as hostile RF became less active allowing more airtime for the VL to TX RX. This was arguably one of the more miserable events of our company's entire existence. sigh That said it is fair to say, if the RF is clean the VL radios will scream. Best, Brad Ps. I'll be bracing for Patrick's attempts to discredit me for opting out of Alvarion's $1000 class. grin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
RE: [WISPA] iPhone
Have to agree the iPhone is just plain cool. Sure makes my Sprint HTC Mogul look like a clunky, dumpy brick by comparison! lol I've been a Sprint wireless subscriber since their inception. Just can't bring myself to jump ship...even for the iPhone. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone Tom, It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on their name and you had the full conversation since it began. The iPhone is the same way. I send and receive about 1500-2000 text messages per month on my phone, so that was #1 priority. The next issue was having a web browser that was actually usable... by usable I mean something that you would WANT to use to check news, alert systems, etc. while sitting at lunch, etc. It works very, very well for that. It has a built in camera that is better than the Treo, but not awesome. It's a camera built in to a phone, what do you expect? I think it's rated at 2MP. No current GPS support. Battery life so far is very impressive (considering WiFi is left on all the time). I am getting about 2 full days of use per charge. The keyboard is a little strange to get used to, but then it's pretty good. It does auto correction on the mis-typed words, and seems to work pretty well. It's also a full-blown iPod... same connector (so everything iPod works) and a very nice, easy to use interface. The idea, as Steve Jobs mentioned, is that I now have 1 device that has everything I need all in one. Is it a laptop replacement? No. Is it a techie's dream phone for hacking, SSH, etc... probably not. But it's small and thin enough that it fits in my front pocket on my Levi's, and keeps me 100% connected to my network and the Net. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm interested in more feedback. Cool for you as the CEO? or cool as a future phone for your techs? I was considering getting one, for the awesome screen, but was concerned about its missing features. Am I correct that it will not support GPS or Camera? You can listen to your music Do you really want to be doing that, wasting your battery life? How is the battery life? And not hearing the phone ring, because of it? Or does the ringer overide the music, to enable hearing it? Can you load an SSH client on it, like Putty? We know the full screen is clearly a winner. But how is the keypad? I really like the large keys on the slideout keyboards, on alternative palmtop WindowCe style phones. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] iPhone Hi, About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless (a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to say I am keeping the phone! This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first generation phone. Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :) Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Hello Gino, Well, I don't want to be accused of hijacking a thread and morphing it into an advertisement for another brand, but IMO a radio without a CSMA mechanism, with software controlled dual polarity and with a RX threshold would most likely perform better in a hostile RF environment. At least that's been our experience... Going forward we are favoring licensed PtP links over UL for high value clients. For example we are deploying the first of hopefully several 80GHz 1.25Gbps links for a client in the next week or two. Should be fun to align with 2' antennas! grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? So Brad, what did you use? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? This doesn't come as a surprise. We deployed a couple VL units and they were all but shut down due to a less than ideal RF environment. Countless hours over days if not weeks with Alvarion's finest in an effort to remedy the situation were unsuccessful. Reflecting back on our particular scenario it was pretty interesting to see how poorly they handled peak business hours when interfering RF activity was high. The radios would then speed up as hostile RF became less active allowing more airtime for the VL to TX RX. This was arguably one of the more miserable events of our company's entire existence. sigh That said it is fair to say, if the RF is clean the VL radios will scream. Best, Brad Ps. I'll be bracing for Patrick's attempts to discredit me for opting out of Alvarion's $1000 class. grin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] iPhone
Has anyone picked up a Cect P168, Cect 599, or any of the other iClones? I am thinking I would rather get 4 of the clones for the same price as 1 iPhone (and not be locked into ATT whom does not work out here). So far the only missing feature I want on the clones is wifi On 10/2/07, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have to agree the iPhone is just plain cool. Sure makes my Sprint HTC Mogul look like a clunky, dumpy brick by comparison! lol I've been a Sprint wireless subscriber since their inception. Just can't bring myself to jump ship...even for the iPhone. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone Tom, It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on their name and you had the full conversation since it began. The iPhone is the same way. I send and receive about 1500-2000 text messages per month on my phone, so that was #1 priority. The next issue was having a web browser that was actually usable... by usable I mean something that you would WANT to use to check news, alert systems, etc. while sitting at lunch, etc. It works very, very well for that. It has a built in camera that is better than the Treo, but not awesome. It's a camera built in to a phone, what do you expect? I think it's rated at 2MP. No current GPS support. Battery life so far is very impressive (considering WiFi is left on all the time). I am getting about 2 full days of use per charge. The keyboard is a little strange to get used to, but then it's pretty good. It does auto correction on the mis-typed words, and seems to work pretty well. It's also a full-blown iPod... same connector (so everything iPod works) and a very nice, easy to use interface. The idea, as Steve Jobs mentioned, is that I now have 1 device that has everything I need all in one. Is it a laptop replacement? No. Is it a techie's dream phone for hacking, SSH, etc... probably not. But it's small and thin enough that it fits in my front pocket on my Levi's, and keeps me 100% connected to my network and the Net. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm interested in more feedback. Cool for you as the CEO? or cool as a future phone for your techs? I was considering getting one, for the awesome screen, but was concerned about its missing features. Am I correct that it will not support GPS or Camera? You can listen to your music Do you really want to be doing that, wasting your battery life? How is the battery life? And not hearing the phone ring, because of it? Or does the ringer overide the music, to enable hearing it? Can you load an SSH client on it, like Putty? We know the full screen is clearly a winner. But how is the keypad? I really like the large keys on the slideout keyboards, on alternative palmtop WindowCe style phones. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] iPhone Hi, About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless (a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to say I am keeping the phone! This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first generation phone. Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :) Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
What a load of garbage. Brad resisted our help at every turn. I was on some of the calls and I personally made a site visit. I even had some of our engineers calling me to ask for my help to get Brad to work with them because he would not call them back and/or refused suggestions or offers of help. Brad repeatedly turned down offers for our guys to come out. From day 1 Brad wanted his consulting customer to go the Trango route (Brad is one of their first customers from back in the Sunstream days) and he did everything in his power to sabotage the effort. We learned that soon enough to the point where I told our guys to stop making any effort; it did not matter what we could do to help, because it was going to be rail-roaded. Even the company he was consulting for recognized it. We eventually simply had to give up. While I respect his loyalty to his favorite brand, I tire of the disingenuous junk you put out there...followed by the goofy e-smiles you try to insert to say you are only kidding. Leave it to you to turn a thread about DFS2 kicking in being somehow indicative that our radios are failing. Brad, if I said the sky was blue, you'd say it was green just for the sake of argument. Congratulations on being the Judd Dare of 2006-2007. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? This doesn't come as a surprise. We deployed a couple VL units and they were all but shut down due to a less than ideal RF environment. Countless hours over days if not weeks with Alvarion's finest in an effort to remedy the situation were unsuccessful. Reflecting back on our particular scenario it was pretty interesting to see how poorly they handled peak business hours when interfering RF activity was high. The radios would then speed up as hostile RF became less active allowing more airtime for the VL to TX RX. This was arguably one of the more miserable events of our company's entire existence. sigh That said it is fair to say, if the RF is clean the VL radios will scream. Best, Brad Ps. I'll be bracing for Patrick's attempts to discredit me for opting out of Alvarion's $1000 class. grin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Still has his own list. Pretty sure Patrick is an active contributor over theregrin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Judd Dare wow ... that's a old one ... I wonder ehats he's up to lately, He kicked me off his list about 2 years ago... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? What a load of garbage. Brad resisted our help at every turn. I was on some of the calls and I personally made a site visit. I even had some of our engineers calling me to ask for my help to get Brad to work with them because he would not call them back and/or refused suggestions or offers of help. Brad repeatedly turned down offers for our guys to come out. From day 1 Brad wanted his consulting customer to go the Trango route (Brad is one of their first customers from back in the Sunstream days) and he did everything in his power to sabotage the effort. We learned that soon enough to the point where I told our guys to stop making any effort; it did not matter what we could do to help, because it was going to be rail-roaded. Even the company he was consulting for recognized it. We eventually simply had to give up. While I respect his loyalty to his favorite brand, I tire of the disingenuous junk you put out there...followed by the goofy e-smiles you try to insert to say you are only kidding. Leave it to you to turn a thread about DFS2 kicking in being somehow indicative that our radios are failing. Brad, if I said the sky was blue, you'd say it was green just for the sake of argument. Congratulations on being the Judd Dare of 2006-2007. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? This doesn't come as a surprise. We deployed a couple VL units and they were all but shut down due to a less than ideal RF environment. Countless hours over days if not weeks with Alvarion's finest in an effort to remedy the situation were unsuccessful. Reflecting back on our particular scenario it was pretty interesting to see how poorly they handled peak business hours when interfering RF activity was high. The radios would then speed up as hostile RF became less active allowing more airtime for the VL to TX RX. This was arguably one of the more miserable events of our company's entire existence. sigh That said it is fair to say, if the RF is clean the VL radios will scream. Best, Brad Ps. I'll be bracing for Patrick's attempts to discredit me for opting out of Alvarion's $1000 class. grin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84).
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
A quick email search comes up with dozens of emails with several subjects spread out over several months all relating to this link. How about your 5-17-06 email? How about Keith Edmonds (Alvarion Engineer) 5-26-06 email or should I say emails? Skip ahead through dozens of emails between Keith Edwards, Bob Neiman, you, Les Sparrey, me, Richard and then check the Alvarion support emails on 8-10-06. Yah, it certainly supports your assertion that I was trying to sabotage the link servicing MY client! It certainly looks like I was just letting the VL project die on the vine all the while expending considerable effort to salvage the client relationship. Geeshh...give me a break! Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Absolute mistruths. Should I start posting emails between Alvarion engineers and me? I still have all the surveys...one after another and another Your site visit was to a meeting on the other side of town before the gear was even deployed! Lol! The client was my client not the third party! Why would I want to sabatoge my own client?!? Get a grip Patrick! Amazing. Brad While I respect his loyalty to his favorite brand, I tire of the disingenuous junk you put out there...followed by the goofy e-smiles you try to insert to say you are only kidding. Leave it to you to turn a thread about DFS2 kicking in being somehow indicative that our radios are failing. Brad, if I said the sky was blue, you'd say it was green just for the sake of argument. Congratulations on being the Judd Dare of 2006-2007. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? This doesn't come as a surprise. We deployed a couple VL units and they were all but shut down due to a less than ideal RF environment. Countless hours over days if not weeks with Alvarion's finest in an effort to remedy the situation were unsuccessful. Reflecting back on our particular scenario it was pretty interesting to see how poorly they handled peak business hours when interfering RF activity was high. The radios would then speed up as hostile RF became less active allowing more airtime for the VL to TX RX. This was arguably one of the more miserable events of our company's entire existence. sigh That said it is fair to say, if the RF is clean the VL radios will scream. Best, Brad Ps. I'll be bracing for Patrick's attempts to discredit me for opting out of Alvarion's $1000 class. grin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
[WISPA] A Reminder about personal attacks on list
May I remind the two gentlemen who are now attacking each other over the performance of Alvarion 5.4 GHz equipment and the deployment thereof that WISPA does NOT approve of personal attacks on-list. If the two of you feel you must persist in attacking each other (and the attacks appear to be mutual at this point) then PLEASE take it off list. Our list members DO NOT appreciate this behavior on-list. Respectfully, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links
Hi all, Today we finished replacing our long Trango links with StarOS links, WAR-4 boards running version 3 of StarOS - hooked up to 4' Radiowaves dishes. Here are the results: 42 mile shot 10mhz channel size -58 signal strength 10-12meg throughput 62 mile shot 10mhz channel size -60 signal strength 8-10meg throughput I am fairly happy with the links, and they are pushing about double what our Trango Tlink-10 radios were able to handle. I thought they would be able to deliver a little bit higher speed, but it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get any more out of them. If only I had sprung for the dual polarity feedhorns, I would be able to put two radios on each side and test the full duplex performance of StarOS on these links. I'm guessing that the full duplex shots would be in the 30-40 meg range in both directions since they would not have to deal with the mileage issues. What is really amazing to me is the signal strength. These are the only two links where we use the 4' dishes, and they are the strongest backhaul signals that we have on our network, even though they are the longest. I know that the 2x cloaking is part of that, but it still blows me away. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links
Wonder what would Trango Atlas Backhauls would have performed in that scenario Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links Hi all, Today we finished replacing our long Trango links with StarOS links, WAR-4 boards running version 3 of StarOS - hooked up to 4' Radiowaves dishes. Here are the results: 42 mile shot 10mhz channel size -58 signal strength 10-12meg throughput 62 mile shot 10mhz channel size -60 signal strength 8-10meg throughput I am fairly happy with the links, and they are pushing about double what our Trango Tlink-10 radios were able to handle. I thought they would be able to deliver a little bit higher speed, but it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get any more out of them. If only I had sprung for the dual polarity feedhorns, I would be able to put two radios on each side and test the full duplex performance of StarOS on these links. I'm guessing that the full duplex shots would be in the 30-40 meg range in both directions since they would not have to deal with the mileage issues. What is really amazing to me is the signal strength. These are the only two links where we use the 4' dishes, and they are the strongest backhaul signals that we have on our network, even though they are the longest. I know that the 2x cloaking is part of that, but it still blows me away. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
