[WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion
ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion October 09, 2007: 07:31 AM EST DOW JONES NEWSWIRES ATT Inc.'s (T) board approved the purchase of wireless spectrum licenses from Delware limited partnership Aloha Partners L.P. for about $2.5 billion in cash. The telecommunications holding company said the spectrum licenses cover 196 million people in the 700 MHz frequency band. The company said the deal enhances its spectrum position by adding 12 MHz of spectrum covering 196 million people in 281 markets. The spectrum covers many major metropolitan areas, including 72 of the top 100 and all of the top 10 markets in the U.S. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Alvarion Quote
I finally have my contracts all hammered out. I'm ready to buy 2 Alvarion VL radios. Looking for 5.8 gig. Standard license (25 subs, 6 meg speed). I'll probably need some config help as this is my first set of these. I'm also going to want 5 6 meg cpe. (looking for comnet pricing on these) I'm ready to send out a check so please send me your OFF LIST quotes. thanks, marlon ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango Licensed Product Training in San Jose Next Week
For anyone going to San Jose next week I wanted to make you aware that Trango will be hosting a free Certification Training session for our TrangoLINK-Giga licensed PTP system. The training will be held at the San Jose Hilton (adjacent to the convention center) on Thursday Oct 18 at 12:30 PM (after the ISPCON exhibit). The training is free and it covers complete configuration and troubleshooting on this exciting new product. Any interested WISPA members please contact me off-list for more information or to RSVP. Thanks and best regards, John Seaman Director of Sales Trango Broadband Wireless 858-391-0010 ext. 271 (NEW TELEPHONE #) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.trangobroadband.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Quote
Good to hear you are going to use ALV! John will get a quote over to you. Mike At 10:23 AM 10/9/2007, you wrote: I finally have my contracts all hammered out. I'm ready to buy 2 Alvarion VL radios. Looking for 5.8 gig. Standard license (25 subs, 6 meg speed). I'll probably need some config help as this is my first set of these. I'm also going to want 5 6 meg cpe. (looking for comnet pricing on these) I'm ready to send out a check so please send me your OFF LIST quotes. thanks, marlon Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion
What a considerable profit considering they paid 43.3 million for it in 2002. Re: http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_aloha_plans_test/ Josh Rowe -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:37:33 -0400 Subject: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion October 09, 2007: 07:31 AM EST DOW JONES NEWSWIRES ATT Inc.'s (T) board approved the purchase of wireless spectrum licenses from Delware limited partnership Aloha Partners L.P. for about $2.5 billion in cash. The telecommunications holding company said the spectrum licenses cover 196 million people in the 700 MHz frequency band. The company said the deal enhances its spectrum position by adding 12 MHz of spectrum covering 196 million people in 281 markets. The spectrum covers many major metropolitan areas, including 72 of the top 100 and all of the top 10 markets in the U.S. --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For$2.5 Billion
Sweet! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Rowe Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For$2.5 Billion What a considerable profit considering they paid 43.3 million for it in 2002. Re: http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_aloha_plans_test/ Josh Rowe -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:37:33 -0400 Subject: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion October 09, 2007: 07:31 AM EST DOW JONES NEWSWIRES ATT Inc.'s (T) board approved the purchase of wireless spectrum licenses from Delware limited partnership Aloha Partners L.P. for about $2.5 billion in cash. The telecommunications holding company said the spectrum licenses cover 196 million people in the 700 MHz frequency band. The company said the deal enhances its spectrum position by adding 12 MHz of spectrum covering 196 million people in 281 markets. The spectrum covers many major metropolitan areas, including 72 of the top 100 and all of the top 10 markets in the U.S. --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion
You're right that Aloha paid $43.3 million for their first 77 licenses in the auction. They then went on to buy out Cavalier and DataCom: …In a related development, on February 1, 2005, Aloha Partners LP announced that it will purchase Cavalier Group LLC and DataCom Wireless LLC, respectively the second and third largest owners of 700 MHz spectrum in the US. Aloha Partners now has spectrum sufficient for a (mostly) nationwide network, including spectrum in the top ten urban markets and 84% of the top forty urban markets. (Steve Stroh, as quoted at http://www.dailywireless.org/2005/02/25/the-700-mhz-club/) Cavalier bought their markets for around $10 million. DataCom bought theirs for about $5 million. The $2.5 billion ATT paid to cover 196 million people works out to $12.76 per person. Compare this to the average paid per person in Auction 44 - about $0.55! http://hightechmagazine.com/ManageArticle.asp?C=100A=5953 On 10/9/07, Joshua Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a considerable profit considering they paid 43.3 million for it in 2002. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bluemont?
As direct competition Butch Evans is completely biased towards Bluemont. Bluemont has had many conversations with Mr. Evans concerning the inadvertent and accidental use of his training class notification email. Bluemont apologizes yet again. Since we are holding training that is for Mikrotik Certification, we feel that it is beneficial to use the Mikrotik supplied curriculum in conjunction with the open question format of our training forum. Bluemont's open question format encompasses focusing on specific questions and needs of the individual attending the class with Labs demonstrating the solutions. Bluemont invites you to attend one of our upcoming training classes and extends a discount of $400 per person per class. When signing up please put in code BE400. This offer is valid for the remainder of our 2007 training classes. Bluemont will be adding additional training classes for November and December. Please visit our website regularly at http://www.bluemonttraining.com to view any and all updates. Please contact us off-list if you have any questions. Thank you. Bluemont Training. * Butch Evans wrote, On 10/3/2007 9:57 AM: On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, chris cooper wrote: Im considering attending one of Bluemont's MT training seminars. Do they run a quality program? As I am obviously a bit biased, all I will say regarding Bluemont is that they can't seem to do much of their work on their own. They did not write their own curriculum (they are using Mikrotik's stuff) and they can't even write their own advertisements...they stole mine. The thing is, they are using a different curriculum that does NOT cover things in the same order OR even all of the same content. My guess is they aren't familiar enough with their material to realize that they don't cover the same stuff. SHRUG I will have 2 additional classes scheduled this week Washington/Oregon area in mid-November and St Louis/Kansas City in early December. Another one (possibly) in Salt Lake City may happen before the end of the year. You can see what my curriculum covers here: http://www.butchevans.com/viewpage.php?page_id=9 (FWIW, this is the text that was stolen by the other guys) ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Longest 18ghz link
Travis, That is an insightful realization. I noticed the same thing when recently doing my 11Ghz, 18Ghz, and 24Ghz calculations. In terms of 9s reliabilty, the jump from 2ft-4ft didn't really make that much difference in the Higher Ghz gear. Not nearly as much a difference as with 5.8Ghz and 2.4Ghz. It was much more advantageous to use the next lower down spectrum range to gain the distance. The impact of 2ft to 4ft however has two major negative impacts... Windload, which is 4x worse, and Space preventing multiple antennas fro mcolocating next to each other. Its not jsut a space issue from verticle pole position, but also teh 4ft dishes may stick out further (if drum type) blocking coverage from sectors antennas mounted on tehsame horizontal plane. Just recently FiberTower mounted a 3ft dish and took out 30 degrees of one of my sectors, even though I was mounted 10-15 feet to the side of them, because the tip of the drum blocked part of the view. Even selecting a 3ft dish is way advantageous over a 4ft, just because of windload and space. You can get two 3ft dished on a 10fttall-3dia pole, but only get about 1 4 ft. Considering, every foot you go taller on the pole, adds significant increased windload, do to leverage. Not to mention the ease and safety of working with a 2ft compared to a 4ft. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Longest 18ghz link I already have the 18ghz set sitting on the shelf, that would be the only reason to use it. Here's the interesting thing about a link that long: 2ft dishes = 99.9955% uptime (23 minutes per year outage) 4ft dishes = 99.9992% uptime (5 minutes per year outage) I can live with 23 minutes per year if I can use 2ft dishes. Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4 foot dishes but i would prefer 11 ghz Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:56:50 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Longest 18ghz link Hi, Does anyone have any information on long 18ghz links? I keep running the path calculations on a link I am considering (28 miles with 2ft dishes) and I come up with 99.99% uptime for my region. I would really like to chat with anyone that has anything around that range and frequency. I'm having a hard time believing those uptime numbers even in my area. Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join
[WISPA] short ptp link info
Hi, I am looking for a short (1 mile) point to point link solution for a client. Must be 100Mbps Full-duplex or faster. Prefer NOT 5.8ghz. Suggestions? Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] short ptp link info
How about Dragon wave in UL 24GHz range? http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-airpair.asp Not making a recommendation, as I have never used dragonwave, I just know about the product. Ryan On Oct 9, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I am looking for a short (1 mile) point to point link solution for a client. Must be 100Mbps Full-duplex or faster. Prefer NOT 5.8ghz. Suggestions? Travis Microserv -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-airpair.asp ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
muliple operating frequency overlay- MOFO Atca ( telco term for a standard they use for rack mounted blade base station equipment, with interoperability, you can potentially have a base station unit with a Airspan blade for 3.65, an aperto blade for 5.4, and an alvarion blade for 5.8 ) Internationally this applies to most 3.5 ghz solutions. SDR- software defined radio. This makes it so manufacturers can very easily offer additional features like 2x2 mimo, beamforming, and quickly port to other frequencies without needing to manufacture new ODU's and IDU's. On Oct 7, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Dylan Oliver wrote: MOFO? ATCA? SDR? On 10/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 802.16e in 5.8ghz would be absolutely the biggest waste of money ever as you wouldn't get a true mobile network but your network costs would be around, yaknow, 300k for a market of 20k people for just BASE station equipment. The way to go if you are really worried about upward compatibility ( and you own licenses or want to lease spectrum ) is to build a MOFO network using ATCA solutions, but still you are talking for just 4 sectors of Wimax with scaleablity to multiple bands and sectors, 50k per base station to start. The key is going to market with a solution that has both a SDR system but low cost initially. - jeff On Oct 4, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Senthil wrote: We did consider deploying Wi-Max 802.16e (802.16d totally out of the question) in 5.8 GHz but checking on the technical aspects of the standard Wi-Max still seems to be rather immature as most aspects are similar to 802.11a/g. Then again this applies only to the initial Wave-1 compliant Wi-Max devices but once wave-2 standardized equipment comes we should have smarter antenna systems (MIMO,beamforming) with which we will definitely get a better performance. So for the time being I think in terms of performance, pricing and technology it's better to stick to Wi-Fi! Senthil John Valenti wrote: Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and WiMax? I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means in a rural, tree filled environment. As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes with WiMax. --- -- --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass
Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
There specs said 36dbm ( 5 watts ) I thought On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I think it was 300Mil, not 5. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? All, Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology, which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and CPE. 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE and I think around 10 watts on the base in power? ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment ) - Jeff On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.5 has great range penetration. ClearWire, as an example, had solid indoor coverage 2 miles away. I live in an apartment complex thats out of coverage area, and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre forest conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and still get 1Mbps... Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP models, unless you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1 replacement). We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own wireless network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum). On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and WiMax? I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means in a rural, tree filled environment. As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes with WiMax. - - -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
All, Again, remember that patrick works for 1 company while I personally have the freedom as a consumer to talk to EVERYONE making equipment. yes a licensed version will look like an unlicensed, but will be just limited in output power. What is the point however of using 802.16e over 802.16d if you don't have the proper spectrum? Cmon! 1048 ofdm? still gotta go outdoors @ 5.8ghz! I just ran a link budget ( for fun and games ) - utilizing a high powered, high capacity base station solution @ 5.8 ghz for a NLOS cpe. This company uses beamforming, 2 x 2 mimo, uplink subchannelization, and guess what the effective range per cell for an indoor, window mounted CPE? .5KM @ 75% penetration @ bpsk 1/2. .25km for a self install @ 90% penetration. 802.16e doesn't always mean mobile, but some companies are coming out with solutions where there isnt backwards compatibility to 802.16d ( dont ask me why ) It all depends on who the MFR is, ( Axcellera is one, Solectek another ) The point is 802.16d is still DAMN sweet gear that can get you greater scaleability ( try up to 1000 subscribers per sector, or 8000 subscribers per base ) Carrier grade voice services, video services, T-1 grade internet, etc. - Jeff On Oct 8, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: Another inaccurate post. Jeff assumes that a UL WiMAX 5.8 GHz system will look like a licensed version. He also assumes 802.16e means mobile -- it does not, 802.16e systems can be mobile, fixed, nomadic or combinations of these. The WiMAX Forum will eventually have an 802.16e profile for 5 GHz, but the systems themselves will be designed for the realities of UL in 5 GHz (so they will be designed for fixed). As such, they will not have lots of the expensive things needed in a mobile WiMAX network like ASN gateways, AAA servers, etc. At this point, it is probably best to ignore Jeff's posts regarding WiMAX. They are thus far simply wildly off the mark. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? 802.16e in 5.8ghz would be absolutely the biggest waste of money ever as you wouldn't get a true mobile network but your network costs would be around, yaknow, 300k for a market of 20k people for just BASE station equipment. The way to go if you are really worried about upward compatibility ( and you own licenses or want to lease spectrum ) is to build a MOFO network using ATCA solutions, but still you are talking for just 4 sectors of Wimax with scaleablity to multiple bands and sectors, 50k per base station to start. The key is going to market with a solution that has both a SDR system but low cost initially. - jeff On Oct 4, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Senthil wrote: We did consider deploying Wi-Max 802.16e (802.16d totally out of the question) in 5.8 GHz but checking on the technical aspects of the standard Wi-Max still seems to be rather immature as most aspects are similar to 802.11a/g. Then again this applies only to the initial Wave-1 compliant Wi-Max devices but once wave-2 standardized equipment comes we should have smarter antenna systems (MIMO,beamforming) with which we will definitely get a better performance. So for the time being I think in terms of performance, pricing and technology it's better to stick to Wi-Fi! Senthil John Valenti wrote: Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and WiMax? I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means in a rural, tree filled environment. As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes with WiMax. - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code
