Re: [WISPA] FDX Wireless
I don't want to beat this to death, but MT definitely says otherwise, hmmm forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=20720 If anyone has some time to really investigate let me know what you find! :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Tom DeReggi wrote: Thats correct. Better said by Butch. Don't get me wrong though, this is a huge benefit, for backbone capacity planning, to have Full Duplex at Layer3. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FDX Wireless On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Jon Langeler wrote: Tom, just catching up on these. Is what your saying below, that Mikrotik's Nstreme2(dual card, FDX, PTP) still has a small amount of transmit occurring on the designated Rx card? I've always assumed that it was truly full duplex. But I've never really tested, wondering how sure you were on your PS below? At the IP layer, it is true FDX. However, NStreme (and NStreme dual) is based on 802.11 protocol. There is some protocol information that is needed to maintain each individual link that is not happening at full duplex. This is a very small amount of traffic, but is happening, nonetheless. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
Hi all, I did some performance testing yesterday with the new X-4000 radio units from Lucaya and wanted to share the results. These are the new four radio access point/client/backhaul units from Valemount Networks (the authors of StarOS). The latest versions of the firmware now support full duplex operation. I took two units and configured them for full duplex and started running ftp downloads and the starutil speedtest utility to see what the performance looks like. General results were that the boards will handle 30meg in both directions at the same time. If one end is not pushing at full speed, the other end will do more traffic, and that split seemed to max out at 50meg in one direction and 15-20meg in the other. I didn't get any speeds faster than 50 meg. This was using standard 20mhz channels. 40mhz channels didn't seem to do much better as the CPU was maxed out. I'm curious to see what kind of results could be obtained with 2ghz CPU units on both sides using the 40mhz channels. For a $400 unit, I think this is outstanding performance and they are very versatile. I have several up as backhaul links (in regular HDX mode) pulling 25-30 meg at distances of up to 30 miles. I even have one set running on a 62 mile shot that will pull 10-12 meg consistently. They are also great as 5ghz or 2.4ghz access points. We have one that has three 2.4ghz sectors on it and 120 clients between the three sectors. The board is doing an outstanding job and very clearly outperforms the three RB532/SR2 access points that were on the same three sectors before. Here is a link to the Lucaya store: http://www.station-server.com/store/ I have also heard that Streakwave will be carrying this product as well. To me, this is one of the most exciting items to hit the WISP business since I've been doing wireless. I thought it made sense to share it with everyone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
Oooh well yeah ... since it uses 2 radio cards ... you are looking to 40 mhz total for regular operation and 80 mhz total for turbo mode ... Also I assume you need to use very separate channels in order to avoid self interference in the dual pol antenna and between the radios inside the enclosure Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios How does StarOS handle frequency usage for FDX? Does it require another channel (and thus another 20 MHz) for FDX operation? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios Hi all, I did some performance testing yesterday with the new X-4000 radio units from Lucaya and wanted to share the results. These are the new four radio access point/client/backhaul units from Valemount Networks (the authors of StarOS). The latest versions of the firmware now support full duplex operation. I took two units and configured them for full duplex and started running ftp downloads and the starutil speedtest utility to see what the performance looks like. General results were that the boards will handle 30meg in both directions at the same time. If one end is not pushing at full speed, the other end will do more traffic, and that split seemed to max out at 50meg in one direction and 15-20meg in the other. I didn't get any speeds faster than 50 meg. This was using standard 20mhz channels. 40mhz channels didn't seem to do much better as the CPU was maxed out. I'm curious to see what kind of results could be obtained with 2ghz CPU units on both sides using the 40mhz channels. For a $400 unit, I think this is outstanding performance and they are very versatile. I have several up as backhaul links (in regular HDX mode) pulling 25-30 meg at distances of up to 30 miles. I even have one set running on a 62 mile shot that will pull 10-12 meg consistently. They are also great as 5ghz or 2.4ghz access points. We have one that has three 2.4ghz sectors on it and 120 clients between the three sectors. The board is doing an outstanding job and very clearly outperforms the three RB532/SR2 access points that were on the same three sectors before. Here is a link to the Lucaya store: http://www.station-server.com/store/ I have also heard that Streakwave will be carrying this product as well. To me, this is one of the most exciting items to hit the WISP business since I've been doing wireless. I thought it made sense to share it with everyone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
How does StarOS handle frequency usage for FDX? Does it require another channel (and thus another 20 MHz) for FDX operation? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios Hi all, I did some performance testing yesterday with the new X-4000 radio units from Lucaya and wanted to share the results. These are the new four radio access point/client/backhaul units from Valemount Networks (the authors of StarOS). The latest versions of the firmware now support full duplex operation. I took two units and configured them for full duplex and started running ftp downloads and the starutil speedtest utility to see what the performance looks like. General results were that the boards will handle 30meg in both directions at the same time. If one end is not pushing at full speed, the other end will do more traffic, and that split seemed to max out at 50meg in one direction and 15-20meg in the other. I didn't get any speeds faster than 50 meg. This was using standard 20mhz channels. 40mhz channels didn't seem to do much better as the CPU was maxed out. I'm curious to see what kind of results could be obtained with 2ghz CPU units on both sides using the 40mhz channels. For a $400 unit, I think this is outstanding performance and they are very versatile. I have several up as backhaul links (in regular HDX mode) pulling 25-30 meg at distances of up to 30 miles. I even have one set running on a 62 mile shot that will pull 10-12 meg consistently. They are also great as 5ghz or 2.4ghz access points. We have one that has three 2.4ghz sectors on it and 120 clients between the three sectors. The board is doing an outstanding job and very clearly outperforms the three RB532/SR2 access points that were on the same three sectors before. Here is a link to the Lucaya store: http://www.station-server.com/store/ I have also heard that Streakwave will be carrying this product as well. To me, this is one of the most exciting items to hit the WISP business since I've been doing wireless. I thought it made sense to share it with everyone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
If that's the case, then it's no better (perhaps worse) than MT's N-Streme 2 running on either the new RouterBoards or PCs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios Oooh well yeah ... since it uses 2 radio cards ... you are looking to 40 mhz total for regular operation and 80 mhz total for turbo mode ... Also I assume you need to use very separate channels in order to avoid self interference in the dual pol antenna and between the radios inside the enclosure Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios How does StarOS handle frequency usage for FDX? Does it require another channel (and thus another 20 MHz) for FDX operation? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios Hi all, I did some performance testing yesterday with the new X-4000 radio units from Lucaya and wanted to share the results. These are the new four radio access point/client/backhaul units from Valemount Networks (the authors of StarOS). The latest versions of the firmware now support full duplex operation. I took two units and configured them for full duplex and started running ftp downloads and the starutil speedtest utility to see what the performance looks like. General results were that the boards will handle 30meg in both directions at the same time. If one end is not pushing at full speed, the other end will do more traffic, and that split seemed to max out at 50meg in one direction and 15-20meg in the other. I didn't get any speeds faster than 50 meg. This was using standard 20mhz channels. 40mhz channels didn't seem to do much better as the CPU was maxed out. I'm curious to see what kind of results could be obtained with 2ghz CPU units on both sides using the 40mhz channels. For a $400 unit, I think this is outstanding performance and they are very versatile. I have several up as backhaul links (in regular HDX mode) pulling 25-30 meg at distances of up to 30 miles. I even have one set running on a 62 mile shot that will pull 10-12 meg consistently. They are also great as 5ghz or 2.4ghz access points. We have one that has three 2.4ghz sectors on it and 120 clients between the three sectors. The board is doing an outstanding job and very clearly outperforms the three RB532/SR2 access points that were on the same three sectors before. Here is a link to the Lucaya store: http://www.station-server.com/store/ I have also heard that Streakwave will be carrying this product as well. To me, this is one of the most exciting items to hit the WISP business since I've been doing wireless. I thought it made sense to share it with everyone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 700 mhz spectrum auction
Seeing as how these auctions are the Holy Grail of spectrum - I am sure that they are not only going to enforce the anti-collusion rules to the tee, but they are probably hunting for those who may be treading lightly on the border of the anti-collusion rules. Best practice would to be avoiding any conversation or mention of these auctions on list and off list! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 700 mhz spectrum auction AU Docket No. 07-157 Report No. AUC-07-73-F (Auction 73) The Wireless Telecommunications Bureau (Bureau) reminds applicants for the upcoming auction of 700 MHz Band licenses (Auctions 73 and 76) of the confidential nature of certain information, such as an applicant's upfront payment amount, license selection, bidding eligibility, actual bids submitted, bidding-related actions (e.g., bid withdrawals, proactive waivers submitted, reductions in eligibility) and other bidding-related information that may indicate the identity or interests of specific applicants. The Bureau further reminds applicants that public disclosure of such confidential information may violate the Commission's anti-collusion rule and subject the applicant to enforcement action, including but not limited to imposition of a forfeiture penalty pursuant to Section 503 of the Communications Act, as amended. The Bureau adopted anonymous bidding procedures to withhold from public release until after the close of bidding in both Auctions 73 and 76 any information that may indicate specific applicants' interests in the auction, including, in addition to the information described above, information on the winning bidders for licenses in blocks for which the reserve price was met in Auction 73. Correspondingly, the Bureau recently warned applicants that the direct or indirect communication to other applicants or the public disclosure of such non-public information could violate the Commission's anonymous bidding procedures and the anti-collusion rule. To the extent an applicant believes that such a disclosure is required by law or regulation, including regulations issued by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the Bureau strongly urges that the applicant consult with the Commission before making such disclosure. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FDX Wireless
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Jon Langeler wrote: I don't want to beat this to death, but MT definitely says otherwise, hmmm forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=20720 If anyone has some time to really investigate let me know what you find! :-) My assumption was that since it is 802.11 based, there is protocol information exchanged at the link layer. This is apparently an incorrect assumption. It was a Mikrotik engineer that made the statement that NStreme is based on 802.11, but for NStreme Dual, they have apparently made changes to the way it works so that all transmissions happen on one radio only. I would go with their word on that. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
The benefit I see of the star-os duplex link using two cards is you can use the busier direction on a full 20MHz wide channel and use the other direction on a 5 or 10MHz width channel. You can also have one direction on 5 gig and the other on 2 gig, or even 900. point is on a PtP link, if you want max performance, your going to wnt to seperate upload and download. Gino Villarini wrote: Oooh well yeah ... since it uses 2 radio cards ... you are looking to 40 mhz total for regular operation and 80 mhz total for turbo mode ... Also I assume you need to use very separate channels in order to avoid self interference in the dual pol antenna and between the radios inside the enclosure Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
Matt, you forgot to mention one other feature on the X-4000 : FCC Certified I'm a relative newbie at WISP equipment, but I'm just blown away by the price/performance of the Lucaya gear. I was just looking at the store and the M1208 client units are on special for $99 (each, in a 10 pack). Wow! -John On January 4, at 4:17 AM January 4, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I did some performance testing yesterday with the new X-4000 radio units from Lucaya and wanted to share the results. These are the new four radio access point/client/backhaul units from Valemount Networks (the authors of StarOS). The latest versions of the firmware now support full duplex operation. I took two units and configured them for full duplex and started running ftp downloads and the starutil speedtest utility to see what the performance looks like. General results were that the boards will handle 30meg in both directions at the same time. If one end is not pushing at full speed, the other end will do more traffic, and that split seemed to max out at 50meg in one direction and 15-20meg in the other. I didn't get any speeds faster than 50 meg. This was using standard 20mhz channels. 40mhz channels didn't seem to do much better as the CPU was maxed out. I'm curious to see what kind of results could be obtained with 2ghz CPU units on both sides using the 40mhz channels. For a $400 unit, I think this is outstanding performance and they are very versatile. I have several up as backhaul links (in regular HDX mode) pulling 25-30 meg at distances of up to 30 miles. I even have one set running on a 62 mile shot that will pull 10-12 meg consistently. They are also great as 5ghz or 2.4ghz access points. We have one that has three 2.4ghz sectors on it and 120 clients between the three sectors. The board is doing an outstanding job and very clearly outperforms the three RB532/SR2 access points that were on the same three sectors before. Here is a link to the Lucaya store: http://www.station-server.com/ store/ I have also heard that Streakwave will be carrying this product as well. To me, this is one of the most exciting items to hit the WISP business since I've been doing wireless. I thought it made sense to share it with everyone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
I believe you can do different bands on Mikrotik as well. I'm fairly certain you can't do the different channel sizes, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios The benefit I see of the star-os duplex link using two cards is you can use the busier direction on a full 20MHz wide channel and use the other direction on a 5 or 10MHz width channel. You can also have one direction on 5 gig and the other on 2 gig, or even 900. point is on a PtP link, if you want max performance, your going to wnt to seperate upload and download. Gino Villarini wrote: Oooh well yeah ... since it uses 2 radio cards ... you are looking to 40 mhz total for regular operation and 80 mhz total for turbo mode ... Also I assume you need to use very separate channels in order to avoid self interference in the dual pol antenna and between the radios inside the enclosure Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
