Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
I am copying a friend of mine at a company called Wireless Connections. His name is Mike Cowan. He is an RF engineer who specializes in Alvarion issues. He has helped me dramatically improve our VL and B-100 performance. Feel free to contact him for further assistance. There are many things you can do to make these system perform flawlessly in these bands. John Scrivner On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Gustavo Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting with the Alvarion VL gear? I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor a ~5 miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now need more troughtput and pps ). I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector and a 4 Su 6mbit version, the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power, all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go. Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about 2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy. anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a crownded 5ghz area? in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion. Thanks in advice. Gustavo Santos WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF tips
I agree with Bryan, with a tweak. A trick I just learned with RouterOS is you put your core routes on the 0.0.0.0 range and add your PPPoE range to a second area and then do an Area Range in the second range. It will keep your PPPoE from sending routes to all routers. It will summarize them so your routers will get fewer updates. You won't get /32 routes everywhere for every user. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OSPF tips rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Played with OSPF some, but am unclear on how to use the 'area' parameter in my topology. Unless yours is a multi-state topology with hundreds of routers, put everything into Area 0. It keeps things really simple. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
That's me! Thanks for the kind words John. I would 1st run a spectrum analysis to see what the radio thinks it hears. Channel select accordingly. In a high noise environment go the the advanced menu, air interface, noise immunity state control and set it to manual. Give that a shot. Mike At 03:23 AM 4/13/2008, John Scrivner wrote: I am copying a friend of mine at a company called Wireless Connections. His name is Mike Cowan. He is an RF engineer who specializes in Alvarion issues. He has helped me dramatically improve our VL and B-100 performance. Feel free to contact him for further assistance. There are many things you can do to make these system perform flawlessly in these bands. John Scrivner Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RB532 replacement...
Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
The 150's are EOL ? whats the replacement? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement... 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
*21 Mbps @ ~1.25 Miles -d Gino Villarini wrote: Too bad ... Might want to check out the new Canopy 400 PTMP with 21 Mbps OFDM Radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting with the Alvarion VL gear? I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor a ~5 miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now need more troughtput and pps ). I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector and a 4 Su 6mbit version, the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power, all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go. Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about 2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy. anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a crownded 5ghz area? in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion. Thanks in advice. Gustavo Santos WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
Is that canopy or alvarion results? - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] *21 Mbps @ ~1.25 Miles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
Motorola PTP product provides the true layer 2 Ethernet connection, the throughput is not limited by packet per seconds. For example, the PTP600 can support more than 400K packget per second on 64 byte pack... Regards Allen On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Gustavo Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we got the alvarion by the 4pps advertise :/ 2008/4/12, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why you didn't try a PTP400 or PTP600 ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 we bought that B100 to replace a working canopy BH 20 ( 15mbps) 2008/4/12, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Too bad ... Might want to check out the new Canopy 400 PTMP with 21 Mbps OFDM Radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting with the Alvarion VL gear? I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor a ~5 miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now need more troughtput and pps ). I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector and a 4 Su 6mbit version, the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power, all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go. Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about 2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy. anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a crownded 5ghz area? in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion. Thanks in advice. Gustavo Santos WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
I was told that while the 532 was EOL, the 532A would remain available for a while yet... Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not just replace the PoE at the same time? Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
2 reasons I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same power to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand. At one time I had lots of different types of power supplies for different things. And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use the same power. one last thing... I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft. I remember having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before. This, to me, is a step backwards. I no longer replace just the board. I have a standard build of board, enclosure,static protection and so on... we just undo the u-bolts, disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap. We never open the weatherproof enclosure in the air any more. Travis Johnson wrote: You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not just replace the PoE at the same time? Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
Nope, if your vendors have them, thats all they are getting. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer www.linktechs.net WISP/ISP Support Solutions Home of the PoweRouter 732! Blair Davis wrote: I was told that while the 532 was EOL, the 532A would remain available for a while yet... Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
Good idea! :) Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer www.linktechs.net WISP/ISP Support Solutions Home of the PoweRouter 732! Blair Davis wrote: 2 reasons I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same power to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand. At one time I had lots of different types of power supplies for different things. And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use the same power. one last thing... I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft. I remember having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before. This, to me, is a step backwards. I no longer replace just the board. I have a standard build of board, enclosure,static protection and so on... we just undo the u-bolts, disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap. We never open the weatherproof enclosure in the air any more. Travis Johnson wrote: You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not just replace the PoE at the same time? Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
I agree. So keep doing that. Put the DC-DC converter on the units that need it and always send 48v up the tower. Or standardize on the RB600 series. They go to 56V. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: Good idea! :) Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer www.linktechs.net WISP/ISP Support Solutions Home of the PoweRouter 732! Blair Davis wrote: 2 reasons I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same power to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand. At one time I had lots of different types of power supplies for different things. And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use the same power. one last thing... I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft. I remember having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before. This, to me, is a step backwards. I no longer replace just the board. I have a standard build of board, enclosure,static protection and so on... we just undo the u-bolts, disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap. We never open the weatherproof enclosure in the air any more. Travis Johnson wrote: You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not just replace the PoE at the same time? Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
Well, it seems a step backward to install a 24v to 48v converter and thus add another point of failure, instead of just replacing the PoE. All of the new boards only support up to 28V, so unless you are going to continue to find old boards on the used market, at some point you will have to switch to 24V. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: 2 reasons I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same power to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand. At one time I had lots of different types of power supplies for different things. And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use the same power. one last thing... I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft. I remember having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before. This, to me, is a step backwards. I no longer replace just the board. I have a standard build of board, enclosure,static protection and so on... we just undo the u-bolts, disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap. We never open the weatherproof enclosure in the air any more. Travis Johnson wrote: You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not just replace the PoE at the same time? Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
This is a major issue and all you can do is plan for it. The stepdown from 48 to 24 or 18 is much less of a worry vs AC/DC - DC/AC conversion. The loss should be minimal, and transformers like this, should not fail often. They are simple devices and are relitivly cheap and replaceable. I do understand, how easy it would be to use all 48 volt. We even had a number of requests for -48v Power Supplies in our PoweRouters. 12 volt is easy, the -48 it s a bit harder. Lots of telco rooms etc use these. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer www.linktechs.net WISP/ISP Support Solutions Home of the PoweRouter 732! Travis Johnson wrote: Well, it seems a step backward to install a 24v to 48v converter and thus add another point of failure, instead of just replacing the PoE. All of the new boards only support up to 28V, so unless you are going to continue to find old boards on the used market, at some point you will have to switch to 24V. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: 2 reasons I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same power to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand. At one time I had lots of different types of power supplies for different things. And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use the same power. one last thing... I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft. I remember having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before. This, to me, is a step backwards. I no longer replace just the board. I have a standard build of board, enclosure,static protection and so on... we just undo the u-bolts, disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap. We never open the weatherproof enclosure in the air any more. Travis Johnson wrote: You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not just replace the PoE at the same time? Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
