Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
The reality on an AM site is that the whole thing is a crap shoot. You could throw up the cheapest crap in the world and it could work fine. Then you throw up the best stuff on the market and you have nothing but headaches. AM sites are really to be avoided even if they are not direct fed. Use shielded cable. Bond to the tower every 50 feet or so. I would discuss the application with one of the surge arrestor manufacturers like Polyphaser or Harger before putting any old CAT5 surge arrestors on the lines. I know of sites that have microwave equip on the tower where the tower is hot and they work without issue. You should be ready to spend time and money troublshooting issues at this site. And assume you may not be able to use it at all Good luck Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:00:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower True. The height is 160 feet. I was thinking about using outside plant heavy duty shielded 25-pair Cat5e rated 50-pin telco cables, rather than 14 individual cat-5 wires, going into 6-cable cat5e octopus cables at the top and bottom for easier cable management. - Original Message - From: Dustin Jurman dus...@rapidsys.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower Brian, They knew way before. How high are you going up? Dustin From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower Doug Ratcliffe wrote: So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... All the more reason to use the members list.. What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower based on 1kW? - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff mailto:wa4...@arrl.net wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfj http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C x=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE mailto:wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the antennas (which are on isolated standoffs, top to bottom. There is some kind of matching transformer in the building under the tower. The tower is 10kW, 1450 AM (good guess on the frequency!).. I think 1450 is a CLASS IV (or what was a CLASS IV) freq and should be 1kW. What's the callsign and location? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks
Patrick who? Never heard of him... grin Welcome Patrick! Look forward to hearing about all the great products Aperto will be offering in 2009. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks I would like to welcome an old friend here to WISPA membership. Many of you have known Patrick Leary for years as a friend of the WISP industry. Patrick has recently joined forces with Aperto Networks. Today Aperto Networks is a Vendor Member of WISPA and Patrick Leary as their representative within our membership. Please join me in welcoming Patrick Leary and Aperto Networks as WISPA's newest Vendor Member. Here is a little information about Aperto Networks straight from Patrick Leary: Aperto is very proud to join WISPA, the premier voice and advocacy organization for WISPs. In celebration, we will later today offer a special WISPA-members only WiMAX promotion that will make it easy for any WISP to give a top WiMAX solution a try. Aperto Networks is the only home grown and U.S.- based WiMAX equipment provider. As an 802.16 pioneer, Aperto was founded in 1999 solely to make and offer outdoor wireless broadband solutions using 802.16. It provided signficant key technology that created the 802.16 standard and is a charter member of the WiMAX Forum. Aperto's entire product line is WiMAX-based and it provides solutions in all 5 GHz bands, the 4.9 GHz public safety band, 3.65 GHz, the 2.5 GHz BRS/EBS bands and a range of international bands centered around 3.5 GHz. With over 25 link-optimizing patents or patents-pending that comprise Aperto's secret-sauce, Aperto offers the highest QoS than any WiMAX system, as well as packet per second more than twice other solutions. These and Aperto's cost-effective products, make the systems ideal for voice and data double play WISP business models. The Aperto of today is easy to do business with. Our WISP effort has the support and commitment of the entire Aperto executive team and we've re-structured to serve North America. We hope you'll give us a fair hearing as you move forward in your businesses. You can reach us at sa...@apertonet.com or visit us at www.apertonet.com. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Postage
Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks
Thanks Brad... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks Patrick who? Never heard of him... grin Welcome Patrick! Look forward to hearing about all the great products Aperto will be offering in 2009. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks I would like to welcome an old friend here to WISPA membership. Many of you have known Patrick Leary for years as a friend of the WISP industry. Patrick has recently joined forces with Aperto Networks. Today Aperto Networks is a Vendor Member of WISPA and Patrick Leary as their representative within our membership. Please join me in welcoming Patrick Leary and Aperto Networks as WISPA's newest Vendor Member. Here is a little information about Aperto Networks straight from Patrick Leary: Aperto is very proud to join WISPA, the premier voice and advocacy organization for WISPs. In celebration, we will later today offer a special WISPA-members only WiMAX promotion that will make it easy for any WISP to give a top WiMAX solution a try. Aperto Networks is the only home grown and U.S.- based WiMAX equipment provider. As an 802.16 pioneer, Aperto was founded in 1999 solely to make and offer outdoor wireless broadband solutions using 802.16. It provided signficant key technology that created the 802.16 standard and is a charter member of the WiMAX Forum. Aperto's entire product line is WiMAX-based and it provides solutions in all 5 GHz bands, the 4.9 GHz public safety band, 3.65 GHz, the 2.5 GHz BRS/EBS bands and a range of international bands centered around 3.5 GHz. With over 25 link-optimizing patents or patents-pending that comprise Aperto's secret-sauce, Aperto offers the highest QoS than any WiMAX system, as well as packet per second more than twice other solutions. These and Aperto's cost-effective products, make the systems ideal for voice and data double play WISP business models. The Aperto of today is easy to do business with. Our WISP effort has the support and commitment of the entire Aperto executive team and we've re-structured to serve North America. We hope you'll give us a fair hearing as you move forward in your businesses. You can reach us at sa...@apertonet.com or visit us at www.apertonet.com. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
As an aside, KY is being extremely tough on tower owners, wanting complete inventories of equipment at a tower, and wanting to tax all towers as if they were all cell phone towers. They have one guy that is doing nothing but going from the FCC ASR and cross checking tax rolls. He stated that they have sent out letters to local governments to catch the towers that are not in the ASR. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Mt. Sterling. 30 miles east of Lexington. -RickG On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@avolutia.com wrote: What part of KY? I've yet to receive anything of the such... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Kentucky, you'all :) On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: What state, mate? RickG wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
John, We were talking about Personal Property Tax, not Sales Tax. But you made a good point, Sales Tax is also an issue that WISPs need to be aware of. The liabilty for Sales Tax is just the rate of sales tax for one year. (6% in MD). But Property Tax can be worse, because it is assessed every year on property. I did make a mistake in an earlier post, where I used an example of not paying PPT for 8 years. Computer type equipment actually can usually be put on a 3 year depreciating schedule, therefore reducing the amount of time and amount each year that the gear is subject to property tax. But again, a WISP must report its property tax, if they are going to state the depreciated value. If you are audited for not filing, the State may very well select a 5 year depreciating schedule, or in my case, they chose to try and charge me the full non-depreciated value. Its also important to recognize that most states only allow you to go back 3 years to refile. So if 4 and 5 years back you did not file, and you get audited, its very possible that you would be liable for any value that the state assessed, as you would not be allowed to refile to report the true depreciated value any longer. I do not know whether Illinoise charges Property Tax or not. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Is this property tax or sales tax? It sounds like the latter to me. If you have a fair market value lease then your lease company should have to eat this in my opinion (for what that's worth). If it is a dollar buyout lease then for all intents and purposes your lease is little more than a financing option and requires you to pay the taxes (again my opinion). I have faced similar issues in the past. I always make sure my sales taxes are paid up. We had a $20K nightmare over this previously. If you buy gear and it is for your company's use (not resale) then you own the gear and owe the sales taxes. There is no exemption for WISPs regarding sales taxes that I know of. Scriv On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 9:44 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Emailing the invoice for the most part. Makes things a lot easier for everyone and it is free. On 1/5/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
As do we. And when they say they need a paper invoice I reply "Click Print". Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Emailing the invoice for the most part. Makes things a lot easier for everyone and it is "free". On 1/5/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
Brian, They knew way before. How high are you going up? Dustin From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower Doug Ratcliffe wrote: So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... All the more reason to use the members list.. What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower based on 1kW? - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff mailto:wa4...@arrl.net wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfj http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C x=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE mailto:wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the antennas (which are on isolated standoffs, top to bottom. There is some kind of matching transformer in the building under the tower. The tower is 10kW, 1450 AM (good guess on the frequency!).. I think 1450 is a CLASS IV (or what was a CLASS IV) freq and should be 1kW. What's the callsign and location? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Look into having a 3rd party print, stuff ad mail your invoices - one of the firms we have done this with does it FAR cheaper than I could (volume postage discounts and industrial printing equipment). Basically, you upload a digital file on billing day and they do the rest in hours Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:18 PM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Something else you can do is use a printing co. There should be one local to you. They should be able to print, stuff and qualify for bulk rates. Something else we did, we had 220 people in my subdivision, it was 92 bucks for postage, plus envelopes, plus printing, plus paper etc. (non-profit subdivision here). We had a printer sent out cards with the yearly dues on them, for less than 15 cents a piece including printing, postage and cards! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
We would e-mail invoices on the 25th and reminders on the 5th. Then suspend service on the 20th and charge $25 to reconnect. The other option is a payment coupon book. Only need to mail once. You would be surprised how well they work Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:17:33 To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Groupmotor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
We recently had to replace our Pitney Bowes postage machine after 10-15yrs of service from it. It was a good old machine.klunkdy-klunk as letters were pushed through it. It still worked fine, but became obsolete and longer supported etc, etc. The new Pitney Bowes machine is pretty slick and we also now have a envelope folder/stuffer that allows us to insert fliers along with our invoices/statements. We only serve businesses and most of our clients prefer a mailed statement. Some even require it. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage As do we. And when they say they need a paper invoice I reply Click Print. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Emailing the invoice for the most part. Makes things a lot easier for everyone and it is free. On 1/5/09, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
We use a couple pitney bowes machines. Ones that folds and stuffs envelops and the other stamps and seals. If I had my way, I would just make everyone use credit cards. I know some other companies that offer a $1 or so off a month if they get automatically billed by CC. -Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage We recently had to replace our Pitney Bowes postage machine after 10-15yrs of service from it. It was a good old machine.klunkdy-klunk as letters were pushed through it. It still worked fine, but became obsolete and longer supported etc, etc. The new Pitney Bowes machine is pretty slick and we also now have a envelope folder/stuffer that allows us to insert fliers along with our invoices/statements. We only serve businesses and most of our clients prefer a mailed statement. Some even require it. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage As do we. And when they say they need a paper invoice I reply Click Print. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Emailing the invoice for the most part. Makes things a lot easier for everyone and it is free. On 1/5/09, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
My cellular company charges customers if they want a paper bill by mail. Online is free. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage We recently had to replace our Pitney Bowes postage machine after 10-15yrs of service from it. It was a good old machine.klunkdy-klunk as letters were pushed through it. It still worked fine, but became obsolete and longer supported etc, etc. The new Pitney Bowes machine is pretty slick and we also now have a envelope folder/stuffer that allows us to insert fliers along with our invoices/statements. We only serve businesses and most of our clients prefer a mailed statement. Some even require it. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage As do we. And when they say they need a paper invoice I reply Click Print. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Emailing the invoice for the most part. Makes things a lot easier for everyone and it is free. On 1/5/09, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
I usually know what my competitors are doing before they think about doing it. ;-) They should know where all of your locations are, just as you should know where all of their locations are. It makes RF cooperation a whole lot easier that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower based on 1kW? - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the antennas (which are on isolated standoffs, top to bottom. There is some kind of matching transformer in the building under the tower. The tower is 10kW, 1450 AM (good guess on the frequency!).. I think 1450 is a CLASS IV (or what was a CLASS IV) freq and should be 1kW. What's the callsign and location? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
Interference Well You've got to give a little, take a little And let your poor heart break a little That's the story of, That's the glory of WISP You've got to laugh a little, cry a little Until the clouds roll by a little That's the story of, That's the glory of WISP You've got to win a little, lose a little Yes, and always have the blues a little That's the story of, That's the glory of WISP That's the story of, That's the glory of WIIISP lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Makes RF interference so much easier too! :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Mike Hammett" wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:06:24 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower I usually know what my competitors are doing before they think about doing it. ;-) They should know where all of your locations are, just as you should know where all of their locations are. It makes RF cooperation a whole lot easier that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Doug Ratcliffe" do...@dwwfl.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:23 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower based on 1kW? - Original Message - From: "Leon Zetekoff" wa4...@arrl.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: "Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE" wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the antennas (which are on isolated standoffs, top to bottom. There is some kind of matching transformer in the building under the tower. The tower is 10kW, 1450 AM (good guess on the frequency!).. I think 1450 is a CLASS IV (or what was a CLASS IV) freq and should be 1kW. What's the callsign and location? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see
Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... All the more reason to use the members list.. What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower based on 1kW? - Original Message - From: "Leon Zetekoff" wa4...@arrl.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: "Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE" wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the antennas (which are on isolated standoffs, top to bottom. There is some kind of matching transformer in the building under the tower. The tower is 10kW, 1450 AM (good guess on the frequency!).. I think 1450 is a CLASS IV (or what was a CLASS IV) freq and should be 1kW. What's the callsign and location? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Aperto Wimax Promotion
Welcome aboard Patrick. We are pleased to be working with you. In support of your promotion we will be providing personalized Aperto training via our Webinar process for those that take you up on the promotion. The training is open ended, but normally takes 6 hours. This should prepare the operator for the install portion and the operator will have maximum opportunity to learn advanced features from the Aperto engineer while he is on site. We also will provide 10 meter propagation models in support of a successful deployment. Those of you located in Canada and the Caribbean may not be able to utilize 10 meter data, as those areas in some cases only go to 30 meter. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OHÂ 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell 419-668-4077 Fax mi...@wirelessconnections.net www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
True. The height is 160 feet. I was thinking about using outside plant heavy duty shielded 25-pair Cat5e rated 50-pin telco cables, rather than 14 individual cat-5 wires, going into 6-cable cat5e octopus cables at the top and bottom for easier cable management. - Original Message - From: Dustin Jurman dus...@rapidsys.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower Brian, They knew way before. How high are you going up? Dustin From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower Doug Ratcliffe wrote: So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... All the more reason to use the members list.. What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower based on 1kW? - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff mailto:wa4...@arrl.net wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfj http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C x=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE mailto:wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the antennas (which are on isolated standoffs, top to bottom. There is some kind of matching transformer in the building under the tower. The tower is 10kW, 1450 AM (good guess on the frequency!).. I think 1450 is a CLASS IV (or what was a CLASS IV) freq and should be 1kW. What's the callsign and location? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Travis- As Brad and some others have mentioned, we use a PB stamping system as well - monthly fees are nominal and works well. As a side note we charge $2.99/mo paper statement fee for customers who demand paper statements mailed monthly, 6mo and 12mo pre-paid customers get them for free though; email/CC free. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:18 AM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
It's called "personal property tax" around here. All the businesses pay it here. I get to pay it right to my mom, the township treasurer. Brian Mike Hammett wrote: I've never heard of a property tax that was applied to anything other than a parcel of land or a structure. I know our township auditor quite well and that's all that is involved. You don't pay property tax on your computer or big screen TV, why would you on a CPE? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:52 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks
I would like to welcome an old friend here to WISPA membership. Many of you have known Patrick Leary for years as a friend of the WISP industry. Patrick has recently joined forces with Aperto Networks. Today Aperto Networks is a Vendor Member of WISPA and Patrick Leary as their representative within our membership. Please join me in welcoming Patrick Leary and Aperto Networks as WISPA's newest Vendor Member. Here is a little information about Aperto Networks straight from Patrick Leary: Aperto is very proud to join WISPA, the premier voice and advocacy organization for WISPs. In celebration, we will later today offer a special WISPA-members only WiMAX promotion that will make it easy for any WISP to give a top WiMAX solution a try. Aperto Networks is the only home grown and U.S.- based WiMAX equipment provider. As an 802.16 pioneer, Aperto was founded in 1999 solely to make and offer outdoor wireless broadband solutions using 802.16. It provided signficant key technology that created the 802.16 standard and is a charter member of the WiMAX Forum. Aperto's entire product line is WiMAX-based and it provides solutions in all 5 GHz bands, the 4.9 GHz public safety band, 3.65 GHz, the 2.5 GHz BRS/EBS bands and a range of international bands centered around 3.5 GHz. With over 25 link-optimizing patents or patents-pending that comprise Aperto's secret-sauce, Aperto offers the highest QoS than any WiMAX system, as well as packet per second more than twice other solutions. These and Aperto's cost-effective products, make the systems ideal for voice and data double play WISP business models. The Aperto of today is easy to do business with. Our WISP effort has the support and commitment of the entire Aperto executive team and we've re-structured to serve North America. We hope you'll give us a fair hearing as you move forward in your businesses. You can reach us at sa...@apertonet.com or visit us at www.apertonet.com. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different locations? Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes of ARPU be considered at a less granular level? -Matt On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from the customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard of anything different. What are you hearing? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you think the definition of ARPU should be? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
ARPU is also a widely used term and barometer of success within the cable industry. They continue to attempt to drive ARPU by bundling additional products in their service offering. Like voice services! :) But also by marketing premium services -- I just upgraded to Brighthouse's 15 MB 'turbo' service, for example. But that one won't help their ARPU for awhile -- I told them I would buy it if they gave it to me free for 1 year, which they agreed to do. Ron -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson [mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean? ARPU Finance Definition Average revenue per user is calculated by dividing revenues by the subscriber base. Non-service revenues, such as equipment or other sales, are included in the calculation. The definition often is used in the telecom industry. User refers to one customer, such as a cell phone user. More simply, ARPU = Total revenue / # customers. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean? We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you think the definition of ARPU should be? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
We charge a higher amount for business class service. For those customers, we will send them a paper bill for free, but only when they ask and we try to get an email address from them. For those customers that we charge $500-$2000 a month, we don't even ask, we just send them a paper bill. For residential, we ask for an email address and tell them that there's a $2.50 charge for a paper bill. This has been acceptable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage Travis- As Brad and some others have mentioned, we use a PB stamping system as well - monthly fees are nominal and works well. As a side note we charge $2.99/mo paper statement fee for customers who demand paper statements mailed monthly, 6mo and 12mo pre-paid customers get them for free though; email/CC free. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:18 AM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
It is property tax AKA usage tax and has nothing to do with sales tax. Also, it is a FMV lease. Unfortunately, the leasing company wrote it into the lease. Thanks to all for your comments! -RickG On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:36 AM, John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com wrote: Is this property tax or sales tax? It sounds like the latter to me. If you have a fair market value lease then your lease company should have to eat this in my opinion (for what that's worth). If it is a dollar buyout lease then for all intents and purposes your lease is little more than a financing option and requires you to pay the taxes (again my opinion). I have faced similar issues in the past. I always make sure my sales taxes are paid up. We had a $20K nightmare over this previously. If you buy gear and it is for your company's use (not resale) then you own the gear and owe the sales taxes. There is no exemption for WISPs regarding sales taxes that I know of. Scriv On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Cameron Kilton wrote: I know some other companies that offer a $1 or so off a month if they get automatically billed by CC. We do this. Switched about half our users in a month. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
Ya, I learned about the sales tax issue a long time ago. It's really no big deal is you purchase locally but those ebay purchased really add up! -RickG On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: John, We were talking about Personal Property Tax, not Sales Tax. But you made a good point, Sales Tax is also an issue that WISPs need to be aware of. The liabilty for Sales Tax is just the rate of sales tax for one year. (6% in MD). But Property Tax can be worse, because it is assessed every year on property. I did make a mistake in an earlier post, where I used an example of not paying PPT for 8 years. Computer type equipment actually can usually be put on a 3 year depreciating schedule, therefore reducing the amount of time and amount each year that the gear is subject to property tax. But again, a WISP must report its property tax, if they are going to state the depreciated value. If you are audited for not filing, the State may very well select a 5 year depreciating schedule, or in my case, they chose to try and charge me the full non-depreciated value. Its also important to recognize that most states only allow you to go back 3 years to refile. So if 4 and 5 years back you did not file, and you get audited, its very possible that you would be liable for any value that the state assessed, as you would not be allowed to refile to report the true depreciated value any longer. I do not know whether Illinoise charges Property Tax or not. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Is this property tax or sales tax? It sounds like the latter to me. If you have a fair market value lease then your lease company should have to eat this in my opinion (for what that's worth). If it is a dollar buyout lease then for all intents and purposes your lease is little more than a financing option and requires you to pay the taxes (again my opinion). I have faced similar issues in the past. I always make sure my sales taxes are paid up. We had a $20K nightmare over this previously. If you buy gear and it is for your company's use (not resale) then you own the gear and owe the sales taxes. There is no exemption for WISPs regarding sales taxes that I know of. Scriv On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 9:44 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
Called tangible personal property tax in TN. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:21:56 -0500 Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
KY is tough on everything. I've only lived here for 2 years and find the government to be anti-business compared to other states I've lived and done business in. As far as towers, I dont own any and at this point I'm glad I dont. -RickG On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: As an aside, KY is being extremely tough on tower owners, wanting complete inventories of equipment at a tower, and wanting to tax all towers as if they were all cell phone towers. They have one guy that is doing nothing but going from the FCC ASR and cross checking tax rolls. He stated that they have sent out letters to local governments to catch the towers that are not in the ASR. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Mt. Sterling. 30 miles east of Lexington. -RickG On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@avolutia.com wrote: What part of KY? I've yet to receive anything of the such... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Kentucky, you'all :) On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: What state, mate? RickG wrote: Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes
Ya, and you said they were "billed from the local tax authority"? That is not how it works around here. Personal property tax is based off of your assets value that is voluntarily reported. So the lease company must have reported the assets. Make sure they reported the correct value. It it retail value, what you paid, or what they are worth at tax time? Brian RickG wrote: I havent looked yet but I suspect it's in the lease. The next issue is the amount of tax. It appears they charge for the full value of new equipment. As we all know, electronics depreciate very quickly. -RickG On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: You have to look at your leasing contract... For the correct answer Having said that Keep in mind that Leasing companies are providing an alternate form of financing, so they are not expecting to incur additional costs other than the equipment they are leasing / financing. I would do the math and see if the 'rate' they are charging you for using this alternate form of financing is comparative to borrowing it from the bank..then I would pay the property tax... Otherwise I would try to duke it out with them, but that depends on how your leasing contract is written. Regards Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] equipment state property taxes Well, I thought I wouldnt have to worry about state property taxes on my equipment because it was leased, but I received a nice Christmas present from my leasing company in the form of a $1700 bill. They were billed from our local tax authority and in turn expect me to pay it. My CPA was surprised as well and said there may be some exceptions for Internet providers. Has anyone heard of this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
We also use the coupon books along with emailed invoices. Works very well. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Reply-To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:56:26 + The other option is a payment coupon book. Only need to mail once. You would be surprised how well they work Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:17:33 To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Groupmotor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower
Makes RF interference so much easier too! :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:06:24 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower I usually know what my competitors are doing before they think about doing it. ;-) They should know where all of your locations are, just as you should know where all of their locations are. It makes RF cooperation a whole lot easier that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower So now that the entire internet now has figured out which tower I'm talking about (including local competition that may not have known where my tower broadcasts were located)... What kind of ethernet/POE shielding would allow me to run my switches/power packs/etc at the bottom of this tower based on 1kW? - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower WMFJ is 1 kw as I thought. Matter of fact I might have been at that station evaluating it for a friends family in the 90s. It was one station in Daytona. Here's the link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wmfjx=15y=6sr=Ys=C Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I am guessing WMFJ - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE up AM radio tower * Doug Ratcliffe wrote, On 1/3/2009 7:33 PM: The tower is a 4-leg self supporting tower, it was built a long time ago, built from what I've heard in the mid 1900's... The antennas for the tower are isolated from the tower, it appears that there are 3 vertical antennas, attached with copper tubing from the transmitter to each of the antennas (which are on isolated standoffs, top to bottom. There is some kind of matching transformer in the building under the tower. The tower is 10kW, 1450 AM (good guess on the frequency!).. I think 1450 is a CLASS IV (or what was a CLASS IV) freq and should be 1kW. What's the callsign and location? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
We send email bills directly from the BOSS/Platypus system. Stopped doing paper bills a year or more ago. We were using a Pitney Bowes system. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
www.controlbyweb.com Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Even with 500 dollar general PC hardware from Newegg I have 2 PCs at home and a two servers at the office that have run daily for 3 years. Surely with official server hardware they can match and well exceed that. In either case, NH100 is a paging solutions (small, black BNC connector right?) but have we seen an ethernet solution with a single AC outlet? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Nighthawk sounds right as the name that was at WISPCON. Well, no, it shouldn't be, but if it locks up for some reason, immediate power cycling is generally required. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter A server really shouldn't need rebooted, but that's me my standing. Do you currently have a product for paging reboots? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer
Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
Matt, You would generally count just the one unique customer. That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly different which in itself reflects the different definitions of customers and revenue. One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular tenant level. It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable - a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get 1 payment? - and apply it consistently. Shiraz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean? What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different locations? Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes of ARPU be considered at a less granular level? -Matt On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from the customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard of anything different. What are you hearing? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you think the definition of ARPU should be? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
I think it also matters what the purpose is for stating ARPU. For example, if ARPU was considering ALL revenue, it would be meaningless if that revenue was not trasferable to a third party, and discussing ARPU based on selling to a third party. For example, if you are a local computer repair person, that revenue is associated to your customer. But a national company buying you, likely would never consider that revenue as ARPU, since they'd never be able to take over those services, since they require local feet on ground. However, Email account, web sites, etc could very well be transferrable, and relevent revenues to count in the number. I think for ARPU to be meanignful, it also has to reflect the typical costs to provide that service, if a typical cost is associated per customer. For example, if a business plan, calculated teh average cost of an install to be $500, then and the average broadband circuit was $200/mon. And you had one customer with 3 sites. If you said the average ARPU was $600, you'd then also need to state that average cost was $1500. I think it also matters whether you feel its likely that if you loose a customer, that you'd loose all sites of the custoemrs at the same time. That migfht determine whether you'd want to bundle them togeather as one or not. If buying decissions are independent at each site, it might be more appropriate to consider them seperate customers. All though its technically incorrect, we consider each link to a customer a seperate customer. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Shiraz Moosajee shi...@jabbroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean? Matt, You would generally count just the one unique customer. That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly different which in itself reflects the different definitions of customers and revenue. One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular tenant level. It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable - a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get 1 payment? - and apply it consistently. Shiraz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean? What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different locations? Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes of ARPU be considered at a less granular level? -Matt On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from the customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard of anything different. What are you hearing? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you think the definition of ARPU should be? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message.
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Platypus (Billing Company) has a service where they will print, fold, mail statements for $0.70 / invoice -- that includes printing, folding, stuffin, envelope, return envelope, perforated tear-offs and even the stamp To me, that sounds like a smoking deal (granted, you need to use the Platypus system) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage Look into having a 3rd party print, stuff ad mail your invoices - one of the firms we have done this with does it FAR cheaper than I could (volume postage discounts and industrial printing equipment). Basically, you upload a digital file on billing day and they do the rest in hours Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:18 PM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
I have one of the new whats up ethernet units. It'll monitor a LOT of stuff AND will cause a reboot. Very small unit, not a rack mount unit. My new rack mount digital logger will give a voltage reading. Pretty nice unit. Like you said though, both are around $700. sorry marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Ideas? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
I almost used some of those. But the pagers are pretty well gone around here now. And with the auto reboot it's not really needed for my work. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Quickbooks does it as well - don't know the price. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Platypus (Billing Company) has a service where they will print, fold, mail statements for $0.70 / invoice -- that includes printing, folding, stuffin, envelope, return envelope, perforated tear-offs and even the stamp To me, that sounds like a smoking deal (granted, you need to use the Platypus system) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage Look into having a 3rd party print, stuff ad mail your invoices - one of the firms we have done this with does it FAR cheaper than I could (volume postage discounts and industrial printing equipment). Basically, you upload a digital file on billing day and they do the rest in hours Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:18 PM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Quickbooks has a similar service for a similar price and it's built right into Quickbooks. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Platypus (Billing Company) has a service where they will print, fold, mail statements for $0.70 / invoice -- that includes printing, folding, stuffin, envelope, return envelope, perforated tear-offs and even the stamp To me, that sounds like a smoking deal (granted, you need to use the Platypus system) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage Look into having a 3rd party print, stuff ad mail your invoices - one of the firms we have done this with does it FAR cheaper than I could (volume postage discounts and industrial printing equipment). Basically, you upload a digital file on billing day and they do the rest in hours Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:18 PM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
We send out email bills. If you want a paper one then we charge an extra $1.00 per month for it. That covers the cost of licking and stamping. We also use pre-glued stamps. Just peal and stick. Hope this helps, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
415 a month, and $.70 or so per invoice. And if you have a merchant account, the users can pay on line. Josh Luthman wrote: Quickbooks does it as well - don't know the price. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Platypus (Billing Company) has a service where they will print, fold, mail statements for $0.70 / invoice -- that includes printing, folding, stuffin, envelope, return envelope, perforated tear-offs and even the stamp To me, that sounds like a smoking deal (granted, you need to use the Platypus system) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage Look into having a 3rd party print, stuff ad mail your invoices - one of the firms we have done this with does it FAR cheaper than I could (volume postage discounts and industrial printing equipment). Basically, you upload a digital file on "billing" day and they do the rest in hours Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:18 PM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
That was supposed to be $15... Blair Davis wrote: 415 a month, and $.70 or so per invoice. And if you have a merchant account, the users can pay on line. Josh Luthman wrote: Quickbooks does it as well - don't know the price. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Platypus (Billing Company) has a service where they will print, fold, mail statements for $0.70 / invoice -- that includes printing, folding, stuffin, envelope, return envelope, perforated tear-offs and even the stamp To me, that sounds like a smoking deal (granted, you need to use the Platypus system) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage Look into having a 3rd party print, stuff ad mail your invoices - one of the firms we have done this with does it FAR cheaper than I could (volume postage discounts and industrial printing equipment). Basically, you upload a digital file on "billing" day and they do the rest in hours Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:18 PM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Tower accident
Tower accident... http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
Yikes! double tie-offs __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower accident Tower accident... http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
Oh NO, not the Darwin Awards again... http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2007-07.html I almost died laughing... Blair Davis wrote: Tower accident... http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
