Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
It's my understanding that 24 GHz is priced pretty close to 23 GHz (~$10-15k / link depending on antennas / configuration / etc) -- so unless you're in the Canada, I don't see why anyone wouldn't just pay the extra $2k to get a FCC license -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Whats the price for this link? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links I am now. I learned that yesterday, after reading manual, and some list discussion on members list. Yes, the problem was I had the radios set to same polarity, and with 24Ghz one side needs to be vert and the other horizonal, because they send and receive on different pols. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Are you cross polarizing? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Randy, 24Ghz is sometimes thought of as interference free, based on its approximate 1.5 degree beamwidth at 2ft, and about 2.6 degree beamwidth at 1ft dish. The dragonwave works on 40mhz channels and allows setting to one of two channels sets (A 24078500 tx and 24173829 rx, or B 124126170 tx 24221500 rx) And then you have polarity diversity. The antennas have about a -68 F/B ratio, so getting channel reuse at a tower is pretty doable. Currently there is not alot of noise out there, because there weren't a lot of products out there, and most people that were willing to spend the money for high end gear, were willing to buy 23Ghz licenses. But it doesn't mean its going to stay that way. For us it has worked pretty well. I will say... I've had a hard time getting one of my 24Ghz links Dragonwave links to reach target RSSI, I'm about 15db off. I think its a problem with one of the antennas, but I haven't figured it out yet. With 1-5db low power, its less forgiving on the link budget, if something is wrong to hurt the link budget. Rain fade is high. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot. The path calcs all work fine for our use, climate, etc. I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz radios (dragonwave most likely). Have you had any interference issues? Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 24gig towers? I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences. Thanks! -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] FCC ID Lookup
Can anyone else look up grantee code SWX? I can search for Ubiquiti and I can search for other grantee codes, but not Ubiquiti's. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Utility easement
Someone at BNSF I was speaking to was talking about pending legislation that would convert rail road (and perhaps other means) easement into a utility corridor, removing the requirement for utilities to have to negotiate with each landowner. They weren't immediately aware what level of government this legislation was on Illinois or federal. Anyone know? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Utility easement
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Utility easement Someone at BNSF I was speaking to was talking about pending legislation that would convert rail road (and perhaps other means) easement into a utility corridor, removing the requirement for utilities to have to negotiate with each landowner. They weren't immediately aware what level of government this legislation was on Illinois or federal. Anyone know? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 3/28/2009 7:16 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 3/28/2009 7:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
Unless is a temp link or you cant wait 30 - 60 days for freq coordination... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links It's my understanding that 24 GHz is priced pretty close to 23 GHz (~$10-15k / link depending on antennas / configuration / etc) -- so unless you're in the Canada, I don't see why anyone wouldn't just pay the extra $2k to get a FCC license -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Whats the price for this link? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links I am now. I learned that yesterday, after reading manual, and some list discussion on members list. Yes, the problem was I had the radios set to same polarity, and with 24Ghz one side needs to be vert and the other horizonal, because they send and receive on different pols. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Are you cross polarizing? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Randy, 24Ghz is sometimes thought of as interference free, based on its approximate 1.5 degree beamwidth at 2ft, and about 2.6 degree beamwidth at 1ft dish. The dragonwave works on 40mhz channels and allows setting to one of two channels sets (A 24078500 tx and 24173829 rx, or B 124126170 tx 24221500 rx) And then you have polarity diversity. The antennas have about a -68 F/B ratio, so getting channel reuse at a tower is pretty doable. Currently there is not alot of noise out there, because there weren't a lot of products out there, and most people that were willing to spend the money for high end gear, were willing to buy 23Ghz licenses. But it doesn't mean its going to stay that way. For us it has worked pretty well. I will say... I've had a hard time getting one of my 24Ghz links Dragonwave links to reach target RSSI, I'm about 15db off. I think its a problem with one of the antennas, but I haven't figured it out yet. With 1-5db low power, its less forgiving on the link budget, if something is wrong to hurt the link budget. Rain fade is high. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot. The path calcs all work fine for our use, climate, etc. I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz radios (dragonwave most likely). Have you had any interference issues? Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 24gig towers? I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences. Thanks! -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
Forget 30 to 60 days... if you don't get that narrow slice of 23GHz spectrum that has conditional approval it can take up to a year to get that license... no matter who you license the link through (technically most of 23GHz is reserved for government use... you get to use it but not on conditional approval... and we all know how fast the government works!) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Unless is a temp link or you cant wait 30 - 60 days for freq coordination... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links It's my understanding that 24 GHz is priced pretty close to 23 GHz (~$10-15k / link depending on antennas / configuration / etc) -- so unless you're in the Canada, I don't see why anyone wouldn't just pay the extra $2k to get a FCC license -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Whats the price for this link? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links I am now. I learned that yesterday, after reading manual, and some list discussion on members list. Yes, the problem was I had the radios set to same polarity, and with 24Ghz one side needs to be vert and the other horizonal, because they send and receive on different pols. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Are you cross polarizing? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Randy, 24Ghz is sometimes thought of as interference free, based on its approximate 1.5 degree beamwidth at 2ft, and about 2.6 degree beamwidth at 1ft dish. The dragonwave works on 40mhz channels and allows setting to one of two channels sets (A 24078500 tx and 24173829 rx, or B 124126170 tx 24221500 rx) And then you have polarity diversity. The antennas have about a -68 F/B ratio, so getting channel reuse at a tower is pretty doable. Currently there is not alot of noise out there, because there weren't a lot of products out there, and most people that were willing to spend the money for high end gear, were willing to buy 23Ghz licenses. But it doesn't mean its going to stay that way. For us it has worked pretty well. I will say... I've had a hard time getting one of my 24Ghz links Dragonwave links to reach target RSSI, I'm about 15db off. I think its a problem with one of the antennas, but I haven't figured it out yet. With 1-5db low power, its less forgiving on the link budget, if something is wrong to hurt the link budget. Rain fade is high. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot. The path calcs all work fine for our use, climate, etc. I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz radios (dragonwave most likely). Have you had any interference issues? Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 24gig towers? I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences. Thanks! -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower
Is malicious damage to a tower a federal offense if I have government agencies using my service to send and receive email and data? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! flag.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower
Two solar panels were stolen from one of my towers two years ago and the police only wanted to take a report, when I reminded them that this was a public communications facility and thereby a federal offense, they said I don't think the Internet is a public broadcast facility but 'drove by' anyway. Never got a good answer and was never contacted by feds so my guess is no, but its just a guess. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of NGL Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:38 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower Is malicious damage to a tower a federal offense if I have government agencies using my service to send and receive email and data? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 03/28/09 07:16:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower
It would be different story if YOU damaged some Cop's antenna. You would be eating TV dinners in an orange jump suit for a long time. Forbes Mercy wrote: Two solar panels were stolen from one of my towers two years ago and the police only wanted to take a report, when I reminded them that this was a public communications facility and thereby a federal offense, they said I don't think the Internet is a public broadcast facility but 'drove by' anyway. Never got a good answer and was never contacted by feds so my guess is no, but its just a guess. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
With this in mind what is the best financing option for fiber deployments? Our current leasing providers are not interested because of it being fiber? So what is a viable finance option for your own fiber deployments? John - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:15:24 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an exit ramp on your information super-highway if you build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so you should be able to stretch out the loan over many years. I am looking at this myself. I think that it makes sense on long runs like this to consider fiber. Pricing has come down considerably. Just my 2 cents worth. Scriv On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about $1,000 per month. Travis Microserv Harold Bledsoe wrote: Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber, etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the business plan as this is a big MRC. Don't wait for someone to bring you cheap bandwidth...go get it! :-) -Hal WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
I would be looking at SBA loans. I understand that SBA is being revamped to 90% loan guarantee and other fees being wiped. And don't forget there is the stimulus and wispa has a grant and legislative committee. Hope this is helpful. George sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: With this in mind what is the best financing option for fiber deployments? Our current leasing providers are not interested because of it being fiber? So what is a viable finance option for your own fiber deployments? John - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:15:24 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an exit ramp on your information super-highway if you build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so you should be able to stretch out the loan over many years. I am looking at this myself. I think that it makes sense on long runs like this to consider fiber. Pricing has come down considerably. Just my 2 cents worth. Scriv On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about $1,000 per month. Travis Microserv Harold Bledsoe wrote: Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber, etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the business plan as this is a big MRC. Don't wait for someone to bring you cheap bandwidth...go get it! :-) -Hal WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
Last I knew, US Signal was in the dark fiber business. I believe they're in town. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth With this in mind what is the best financing option for fiber deployments? Our current leasing providers are not interested because of it being fiber? So what is a viable finance option for your own fiber deployments? John - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:15:24 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an exit ramp on your information super-highway if you build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so you should be able to stretch out the loan over many years. I am looking at this myself. I think that it makes sense on long runs like this to consider fiber. Pricing has come down considerably. Just my 2 cents worth. Scriv On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about $1,000 per month. Travis Microserv Harold Bledsoe wrote: Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber, etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the business plan as this is a big MRC. Don't wait for someone to bring you cheap bandwidth...go get it! :-) -Hal WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I was just going to provide a link to the whole list of them, but I couldn't get the web site to return anything for their FCC ID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex SR4 certification grant https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPYRe questTimeout=500tcb_code=application_id=979597fcc_id=SWX-SR4 Note the different permitted RF output levels depending on 4.9 frequency. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=67 7183native_or_pdf=pdf You will also note that the lower output power frequencies have only been tested for narrower bands (5MHz and 10MHz) and the highest output powers with a 20MHz wide signal. Complete set of documents https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhib itsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=979597fcc_id=%27SWX -SR4%27 SR4 has been certified against the FCC verification rules contained in Title 47 of the CFR, Part 90, Subpart Y for Private Land Mobile radio services. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Authorized Ubiquiti Distributor -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:58 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex So Ubiquiti may be an answer then. Assuming they do have their cards certified. lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: 4.9 GHz is covered by Part 90 and does not need to be a certified system only the emitter needs to be certfied. -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:46:17 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem. The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this. They are FCC approved, although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with all of the 4.9ghz antennas. I know it works, and we use it combined with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county government. I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest. If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt Jenkins wrote: I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice. 3-dB Networks wrote: Yes it is MIMO. It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al. Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be helpful sales fluff). Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking about that :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
[WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?
Has anyone else here ever been co-located on a tower with a HAM radio (144-148mhz) VHF repeater or perhaps even a commercial system in the 150mhz band and gotten complaints that your Ethernet cable is causing them interference on their repeater? We are trying to locate the source of noise on an amateur radio repeater system locally and last time I went up on grain leg there was a whole lot of Ethernet cabling strung everywhere and I've read some links such as these. http://www.hamuniverse.com/linksys.html that apparently some brands of equipment give out much more spurious emissions than others. Also how did you work with the radio people to solve it? Seems to only be apparent in the VHF band. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
Because there is no reason to buy a license for a link that is getting deployed to a customer pre-existing site for 6 months, until they move to their new office location. Because I was able to install the order within 24hours of the day the order was placed from inventory, and gained an extra month of revenue ($2000) from the customer that I wouldn't have had if I waited for a Freq Cord, and the manufacturer's 20-30 day lead time to get me gear. However, with that said From my experience, CTI's lead time on Freq Coords had been amazingly fast, and CTI sure did make it easy buying 23Ghz. I think most people will choose 23Ghz, most of the time, when there is time to do it, without financial trade off. Most broadband customers will sign an order, prior to the min 1 month cancellation notice they need to give their old broadband provider, where revenue for the new provider won't come in until 30 days out any ways, so there is usually time to plan. It all depends on the situation. But in this case... 24Ghz UL put $4000 extra dollars in my pocket. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links It's my understanding that 24 GHz is priced pretty close to 23 GHz (~$10-15k / link depending on antennas / configuration / etc) -- so unless you're in the Canada, I don't see why anyone wouldn't just pay the extra $2k to get a FCC license -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Whats the price for this link? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links I am now. I learned that yesterday, after reading manual, and some list discussion on members list. Yes, the problem was I had the radios set to same polarity, and with 24Ghz one side needs to be vert and the other horizonal, because they send and receive on different pols. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Are you cross polarizing? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links Randy, 24Ghz is sometimes thought of as interference free, based on its approximate 1.5 degree beamwidth at 2ft, and about 2.6 degree beamwidth at 1ft dish. The dragonwave works on 40mhz channels and allows setting to one of two channels sets (A 24078500 tx and 24173829 rx, or B 124126170 tx 24221500 rx) And then you have polarity diversity. The antennas have about a -68 F/B ratio, so getting channel reuse at a tower is pretty doable. Currently there is not alot of noise out there, because there weren't a lot of products out there, and most people that were willing to spend the money for high end gear, were willing to buy 23Ghz licenses. But it doesn't mean its going to stay that way. For us it has worked pretty well. I will say... I've had a hard time getting one of my 24Ghz links Dragonwave links to reach target RSSI, I'm about 15db off. I think its a problem with one of the antennas, but I haven't figured it out yet. With 1-5db low power, its less forgiving on the link budget, if something is wrong to hurt the link budget. Rain fade is high. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot. The path calcs all work fine for our use, climate, etc. I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz radios (dragonwave most likely). Have you had any interference issues? Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other 24gig towers? I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow, interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life experiences. Thanks! -- Randy Cosby
Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?
Yes that would be ethernet. Gets some cable ferrules and put on the ethernet right next to the radio another right at the exit from the poe and another right as cat5 cable goes into poe and finally one right where the cat5 cable goes into switch and computer. Might also consider using heavy outdoor rated shielded cat5 cabling between poe and unit. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:56:12 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO? Has anyone else here ever been co-located on a tower with a HAM radio (144-148mhz) VHF repeater or perhaps even a commercial system in the 150mhz band and gotten complaints that your Ethernet cable is causing them interference on their repeater? We are trying to locate the source of noise on an amateur radio repeater system locally and last time I went up on grain leg there was a whole lot of Ethernet cabling strung everywhere and I've read some links such as these. http://www.hamuniverse.com/linksys.html that apparently some brands of equipment give out much more spurious emissions than others. Also how did you work with the radio people to solve it? Seems to only be apparent in the VHF band. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?
We ran into this once. Solution: upgrade to shielded Ethernet cable with a drain wire. Then attach the drain wire to ground. -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: 03/29/09 23:56 Subject: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO? Has anyone else here ever been co-located on a tower with a HAM radio (144-148mhz) VHF repeater or perhaps even a commercial system in the 150mhz band and gotten complaints that your Ethernet cable is causing them interference on their repeater? We are trying to locate the source of noise on an amateur radio repeater system locally and last time I went up on grain leg there was a whole lot of Ethernet cabling strung everywhere and I've read some links such as these. http://www.hamuniverse.com/linksys.html that apparently some brands of equipment give out much more spurious emissions than others. Also how did you work with the radio people to solve it? Seems to only be apparent in the VHF band. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower
The feds will allow the local authorities to pursue on state charges. The crust of it is, they feds are just too busy to pursue. Their emphasis, passed down from DC, leaves little room to worry about someone vandalizing a tower site. The good thing? Normally the locals will do you a better job. We have a boy just sentanced to 7 years, yes SEVEN YEARS in prison on state charges for breaking into one of our sites. Plus they tazed the guy. You can go to the US attorneys office, and they can make the feds do something, but the power is still with the locals, and YOUR good relationship with them. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower Two solar panels were stolen from one of my towers two years ago and the police only wanted to take a report, when I reminded them that this was a public communications facility and thereby a federal offense, they said I don't think the Internet is a public broadcast facility but 'drove by' anyway. Never got a good answer and was never contacted by feds so my guess is no, but its just a guess. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of NGL Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:38 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower Is malicious damage to a tower a federal offense if I have government agencies using my service to send and receive email and data? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 03/28/09 07:16:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?
I've seen this happen too. It's funny, if we plug the computer right into the radio it goes away. Use a router and it's back. We're just going to replace the cat 5 with shielded cable and see what happens. marlon - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO? Yes that would be ethernet. Gets some cable ferrules and put on the ethernet right next to the radio another right at the exit from the poe and another right as cat5 cable goes into poe and finally one right where the cat5 cable goes into switch and computer. Might also consider using heavy outdoor rated shielded cat5 cabling between poe and unit. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:56:12 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO? Has anyone else here ever been co-located on a tower with a HAM radio (144-148mhz) VHF repeater or perhaps even a commercial system in the 150mhz band and gotten complaints that your Ethernet cable is causing them interference on their repeater? We are trying to locate the source of noise on an amateur radio repeater system locally and last time I went up on grain leg there was a whole lot of Ethernet cabling strung everywhere and I've read some links such as these. http://www.hamuniverse.com/linksys.html that apparently some brands of equipment give out much more spurious emissions than others. Also how did you work with the radio people to solve it? Seems to only be apparent in the VHF band. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
