[WISPA] Project Management Software - Online
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Re: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online
I'm currently running a test project with Basecamp, been so far impressed. http://www.basecamphq.com/ -Israel Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone with a recomendation ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online
Roll your own: Build a LAMP (Linuz/Apache/MySQL/PHP) machine. Ubuntu makes is very easy. Choose one of the open-source PM PHP packages: - http://www.dotproject.net/ - full featured - http://phpproject.us/ - simple and easy This will run an a machine as old as a PIII with 1GB ram with no problems. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online Anyone with a recomendation ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online
Try OneorZero. Check it out at OneorZero.com. Be aware I think the site is down for maintenance at the moment. Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Precision Data Solutions, LLC 877-4-PDSNET -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online Roll your own: Build a LAMP (Linuz/Apache/MySQL/PHP) machine. Ubuntu makes is very easy. Choose one of the open-source PM PHP packages: - http://www.dotproject.net/ - full featured - http://phpproject.us/ - simple and easy This will run an a machine as old as a PIII with 1GB ram with no problems. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online Anyone with a recomendation ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.70/2177 - Release Date: 06/15/09 05:54:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on each leg at 145' back to back. If the radios were too close together even on different channels, would the RX performance on the AP exhibit this behavior? Only other change on this tower was RFLinx Quarter-wave arrestors in line. If I'm 3-5 miles away I can see on the CPE a RSSI of -65 to -75 for example, on the AP the reading would be in the -90 to not even below the noise floor. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on each leg at 145' back to back. If the radios were too close together even on different channels, would the RX performance on the AP exhibit this behavior? Only other change on this tower was RFLinx Quarter-wave arrestors in line. If I'm 3-5 miles away I can see on the CPE a RSSI of -65 to -75 for example, on the AP the reading would be in the -90 to not even below the noise floor. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always. Regards Michael Baird - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on each leg at 145' back to back. If the radios were too close together even on different channels, would the RX performance on the AP exhibit this behavior? Only other change on this tower was RFLinx Quarter-wave arrestors in line. If I'm 3-5 miles away I can see on the CPE a RSSI of -65 to -75 for example, on the AP the reading would be in the -90 to not even below the noise floor. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always. Regards Michael Baird - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Is this just on a single AP you are seeing this problem? We have seen blown radio cards display a 20db difference on just one side of the link. Replacing the card has always fixed the problem. Travis Microserv Michael Baird wrote: Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on each leg at 145' back to back. If the radios were too close together even on different channels, would the RX performance on the AP exhibit this behavior? Only other change on this tower was RFLinx Quarter-wave arrestors in line. If I'm 3-5 miles away I can see on the CPE a RSSI of -65 to -75 for example, on the AP the reading would be in the -90 to not even below the noise floor. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always. Regards Michael Baird - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
All 3 AP's are displaying this characteristic, they transmit wonderfully though. My CPE's are working fine on another tower, so they are good. Regards Michael Baird Is this just on a single AP you are seeing this problem? We have seen blown radio cards display a 20db difference on just one side of the link. Replacing the card has always fixed the problem. Travis Microserv Michael Baird wrote: Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on each leg at 145' back to back. If the radios were too close together even on different channels, would the RX performance on the AP exhibit this behavior? Only other change on this tower was RFLinx Quarter-wave arrestors in line. If I'm 3-5 miles away I can see on the CPE a RSSI of -65 to -75 for example, on the AP the reading would be in the -90 to not even below the noise floor. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always. Regards Michael Baird - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online
+1 for basecamp. Yes there are numerous open source LAMP packages, but do you want to be in the IT business or the WISP business? +1 for basecamp. Use it and be happy. Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: I'm currently running a test project with Basecamp, been so far impressed. http://www.basecamphq.com/ -Israel Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone with a recomendation ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online
wisp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM To: isr...@sandboxitsolutions.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Project Management Software - Online +1 for basecamp. Yes there are numerous open source LAMP packages, but do you want to be in the IT business or the WISP business? +1 for basecamp. Use it and be happy. Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: I'm currently running a test project with Basecamp, been so far impressed. http://www.basecamphq.com/ -Israel Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone with a recomendation ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on each leg at 145' back to back. If the radios were too close together even on different channels, would the RX performance on the AP exhibit this behavior? Only other change on this tower was RFLinx Quarter-wave arrestors in line. If I'm 3-5 miles away I can see on the CPE a RSSI of -65 to -75 for example, on the AP the reading would be in the -90 to not even below the noise floor. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always. Regards Michael Baird - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Gino, wisp-router.com, would the downtilt affect the AP RSSI level? Antenna Height ft Downtilt Angle ° Vertical Beamwidth ° Results Inner -3dB Radius 0.1 Miles Sweet spot 0.2 Miles Outer -3dB Radius 5.24Miles I told him 7.8, but I'm sure he didn't get dead on, just the best he could with his inclinometer. Regards Michael Baird Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on each leg at 145' back to back. If the radios were too close together even on different channels, would the RX performance on the AP exhibit this behavior? Only other change on this tower was RFLinx Quarter-wave arrestors in line. If I'm 3-5 miles away I can see on the CPE a RSSI of -65 to -75 for example, on the AP the reading would be in the -90 to not even below the noise floor. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always. Regards Michael Baird -
[WISPA] FTTx
Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non-PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Posibly , cause the antenna its not perfect, do you have the plot drawings of it? Maybe the antenna is under performing on its vertical ... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, wisp-router.com, would the downtilt affect the AP RSSI level? Antenna Height ft Downtilt Angle ° Vertical Beamwidth ° Results Inner -3dB Radius 0.1 Miles Sweet spot 0.2 Miles Outer -3dB Radius 5.24Miles I told him 7.8, but I'm sure he didn't get dead on, just the best he could with his inclinometer. Regards Michael Baird Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on each leg at 145' back to back. If the radios were too close together even on different channels, would
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Hi, I have to agree with Gino here... even at 7 degree downtilt, you are cutting it very close. You may want to try 5 degrees on just one sector and see if that helps. Travis Michael Baird wrote: Gino, wisp-router.com, would the downtilt affect the AP RSSI level? Antenna Height ft Downtilt Angle Vertical Beamwidth Results Inner -3dB Radius 0.1 Miles Sweet spot 0.2 Miles Outer -3dB Radius 5.24 Miles I told him 7.8, but I'm sure he didn't get dead on, just the best he could with his inclinometer. Regards Michael Baird Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Travis, I will try that too, but do you think that would cause poor RSL at the AP? I would think the downtilt would cause more issues with the CPE's RSL. Regards Michael Baird Hi, I have to agree with Gino here... even at 7 degree downtilt, you are cutting it very close. You may want to try 5 degrees on just one sector and see if that helps. Travis Michael Baird wrote: Gino, wisp-router.com, would the downtilt affect the AP RSSI level? Antenna Height ft Downtilt Angle ° Vertical Beamwidth ° Results Inner -3dB Radius0.1 Miles Sweet spot 0.2 Miles Outer -3dB Radius5.24Miles I told him 7.8, but I'm sure he didn't get dead on, just the best he could with his inclinometer. Regards Michael Baird Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the AP's are about 15-20 db's different then what I see on the CPE's, tried a Tranzeo/Ubiquity radio. I'm using Ubiquity AP's, and they work fine on another 3 sector setup I have, however this tower is an A-Frame. The tower owner won't allow outside climbers so his guy did it, and he put one on
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FTTx Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non-PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
I'm also interested in this information. WiFI and other wireless networking technologies have there place, but fiber does as well. Is there any operational lists for small/medium FTTx providers? Mike Hammett wrote: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FTTx Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non-PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
To be sure about co-channel interference, shut down 2 of the 3 AP's and test on the other one. Make sure to shut them all down, then bring up just the one to test... Down tilt should affect Tx and Rx about the same. But you have more loss on the Rx than the Tx. Are the arrestors polarized? i.e. marked with antenna and transmitter ends? If so, are they in right? Bypass the arresters, and see what happens. Or, remove the gas tubes and see if that changes things. Have you gone out and eyeballed the setup with some binoculars? Maybe the installer did something stupid that you might notice? When I've had massive imbalance Tx/Rx, it has always been either a bad card or water. Michael Baird wrote: Gino, wisp-router.com, would the downtilt affect the AP RSSI level? Antenna Height ft Downtilt Angle Vertical Beamwidth Results Inner -3dB Radius 0.1 Miles Sweet spot 0.2 Miles Outer -3dB Radius 5.24 Miles I told him 7.8, but I'm sure he didn't get dead on, just the best he could with his inclinometer. Regards Michael Baird Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15 db transmit antenna and a 15 db transmit radio shooting to a 15 dB panel at 5 miles you should see an rssi of, -83 or so. Legally you could have 6 more dB at the AP side giving you around -77 at the cpe 5 miles out. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Seperation We've just installed a 3 sector 2.4 setup, at 145' with maxrad 120's. I'm noticing the receive sensitivity on the
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Blair Davis wrote: To be sure about co-channel interference, shut down 2 of the 3 AP's and test on the other one. Make sure to shut them all down, then bring up just the one to test... Did that, made no difference. Down tilt should affect Tx and Rx about the same. That's what I figured as well. But you have more loss on the Rx than the Tx. Are the arrestors polarized? i.e. marked with antenna and transmitter ends? If so, are they in right? Nope, they are bi-directional, RFLinx Quarter wave. Bypass the arresters, and see what happens. Or, remove the gas tubes and see if that changes things. Haven't done that yet, they don't have gas tubes, they are quarterwave. Have you gone out and eyeballed the setup with some binoculars? Maybe the installer did something stupid that you might notice? They look fine from beneath the tower. When I've had massive imbalance Tx/Rx, it has always been either a bad card or water. Yea, they've been up on the tower for a week, it would be depressing if they are messed up that quickly. They were all pretty hot to each other -20/-25 even, but on 1/6/11, It may be possible the receivers were overloaded I suppose. I've had these radio's up on other towers for months without a problem though. Not this close together, they are about 2-3 feet apart on the same horizontal plane. The tape job, and self-vulcanizing stuff these guys put on was pretty serious stuff, I think there is zero chance of water anywhere. Regards Michael Baird Michael Baird wrote: Gino, wisp-router.com, would the downtilt affect the AP RSSI level? Antenna Height ft Downtilt Angle ° Vertical Beamwidth ° Results Inner -3dB Radius0.1 Miles Sweet spot 0.2 Miles Outer -3dB Radius5.24Miles I told him 7.8, but I'm sure he didn't get dead on, just the best he could with his inclinometer. Regards Michael Baird Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There are other customers at much shorter ranges that don't get reliable service, but that's caused by other issues :-). We run most of our cpe at pretty high power these days due to the need to blow through the overpowered competition or just over all noise levels. Anyway, what gain are the antennas and where are they pointed? How much downtilt etc. How far are the customers from the tower? What polarity are the antennas? All the same, or did you mix it up? What are the cpe radios? What power, what antennas etc. If you had a 15
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
2009/6/15 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) I built a network based around an Alloptic chassis. It is a very nice solution, can be built out entirely redundantly, even with hot-spare lasers (by way of a 2 - 1 passive combiner. One box does data and voice. Voice can be fed via a DS3 or T1, or you can configure the CPEs to act as ATAs. If you deliver TDM voice to the CPE, you are digital TDM all the way, so you can use a dialup modem or fax machine behind the CPE without any issues. Try that with an ATA!. The data connection to the chassis can be trunked, and subscribers placed in whatever VLAN you wish. CPE provisioning is easy, just plug it in at the customer site, and it's MAC will show up in the provisioning software at the headend, or you can provision ahead of time. RF video can be delivered over the network as well, by way of an add-on 2U laser source, which runs at a different wavelength. I have not used it, but have seen it deployed, and it does the job, even supports bi-direction datastreams, so digital set top boxes (or even cable modems) will work over the fiber. I really can't say enough good stuff about this company, their tech support as been fantastic, and the gear rock solid. http://www.alloptic.com/products/product.php?p=homegear4000id=131 http://www.alloptic.com/products/co.php WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
-20/-25 seems really hot... I've seen - 35 to -40 on my own sectorized setups, but nothing that hot. And when I've been that hot, it is almost always reflections... fixed by rotating the antennas a bit around the tower to move the pattern split. I'd try removing the arrestors next... I've always used the gas tube units. Can't say much about the 1/4 wave units. Michael Baird wrote: Blair Davis wrote: To be sure about co-channel interference, shut down 2 of the 3 AP's and test on the other one. Make sure to shut them all down, then bring up just the one to test... Did that, made no difference. Down tilt should affect Tx and Rx about the same. That's what I figured as well. But you have more loss on the Rx than the Tx. Are the arrestors polarized? i.e. marked with antenna and transmitter ends? If so, are they in right? Nope, they are bi-directional, RFLinx Quarter wave. Bypass the arresters, and see what happens. Or, remove the gas tubes and see if that changes things. Haven't done that yet, they don't have gas tubes, they are quarterwave. Have you gone out and eyeballed the setup with some binoculars? Maybe the installer did something stupid that you might notice? They look fine from beneath the tower. When I've had massive imbalance Tx/Rx, it has always been either a bad card or water. Yea, they've been up on the tower for a week, it would be depressing if they are messed up that quickly. They were all pretty hot to each other -20/-25 even, but on 1/6/11, It may be possible the receivers were overloaded I suppose. I've had these radio's up on other towers for months without a problem though. Not this close together, they are about 2-3 feet apart on the same horizontal plane. The tape job, and self-vulcanizing stuff these guys put on was pretty serious stuff, I think there is zero chance of water anywhere. Regards Michael Baird Michael Baird wrote: Gino, wisp-router.com, would the downtilt affect the AP RSSI level? Antenna Height ft Downtilt Angle Vertical Beamwidth Results Inner -3dB Radius 0.1 Miles Sweet spot 0.2 Miles Outer -3dB Radius 5.24 Miles I told him 7.8, but I'm sure he didn't get dead on, just the best he could with his inclinometer. Regards Michael Baird Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned down to 23/200mw. CPE's, are Ubiquity PS2, same radio at 400mw, Horizontal antenna at 18 dbi. RSSI at the CPE is great, RSSI at the AP is poor often different by 16-20 db. I also mentioned the RFLinx Qwave lightning arrestors, this is the first tower we've used them on. Regards Michael Baird I don't think that this would be an antenna location issue. What antennas did you use and where are they pointed? Also, what output are the radios? If you use 600mw radios on the ap side and 100 mw radios on the rx side it'll make a difference. Also, having LOW power at the tx is almost always a good idea, especially when colocated like this. I usually only run 15 to 17dB at the ap's. Most of my sectors are 13dB. Yeah, I have customers at 18 miles with multi meg RELIABLE service this way. There
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
I like the TDM phone option, though too bad you can only get TDM phone with 2 VoIP phone. You know when the Edge10 will be out? ;-) That looks promising. It looks like they're leapfrogging the 2.5 GB PON technology. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 7:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx 2009/6/15 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) I built a network based around an Alloptic chassis. It is a very nice solution, can be built out entirely redundantly, even with hot-spare lasers (by way of a 2 - 1 passive combiner. One box does data and voice. Voice can be fed via a DS3 or T1, or you can configure the CPEs to act as ATAs. If you deliver TDM voice to the CPE, you are digital TDM all the way, so you can use a dialup modem or fax machine behind the CPE without any issues. Try that with an ATA!. The data connection to the chassis can be trunked, and subscribers placed in whatever VLAN you wish. CPE provisioning is easy, just plug it in at the customer site, and it's MAC will show up in the provisioning software at the headend, or you can provision ahead of time. RF video can be delivered over the network as well, by way of an add-on 2U laser source, which runs at a different wavelength. I have not used it, but have seen it deployed, and it does the job, even supports bi-direction datastreams, so digital set top boxes (or even cable modems) will work over the fiber. I really can't say enough good stuff about this company, their tech support as been fantastic, and the gear rock solid. http://www.alloptic.com/products/product.php?p=homegear4000id=131 http://www.alloptic.com/products/co.php WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
2009/6/15 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net: I like the TDM phone option, though too bad you can only get TDM phone with 2 VoIP phone. Did you look at the other CPE options? You know when the Edge10 will be out? ;-) That looks promising. It looks like they're leapfrogging the 2.5 GB PON technology. I'm not sure, but it does look nice. (and pricey) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: I'm also interested in this information. WiFI and other wireless networking technologies have there place, but fiber does as well. Is there any operational lists for small/medium FTTx providers? Funny you should ask...WISPA is just starting up a new Fiber list as it turns out. It's a WISPA members list. Chuck Mike Hammett wrote: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FTTx Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non- PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
With -20s Im guessing that at the edges of each of the 20mhz channels that they are bleeding over into the next non-overlapping channels at about -50 or -60. Thats just a guess as I have never seen a spectrum anylazyer of a 2.4ghz signal. Im sure someone here has though. If you dont want to move the antennas you could put some band pass filters in line for each channel 1,6,11. http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=24BPFX-8-CH1 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=24BPFX-8-CH1eq=Tp eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=24BPFX-8-CH6 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=24BPFX-8-CH6eq=Tp eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=24BPFX-8-CH11 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=24BPFX-8-CH11eq=Tp eq=Tp= But thats not really a solution because then you cant change channels without changing the filters around. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation -20/-25 seems really hot... I've seen - 35 to -40 on my own sectorized setups, but nothing that hot. And when I've been that hot, it is almost always reflections... fixed by rotating the antennas a bit around the tower to move the pattern split. I'd try removing the arrestors next... I've always used the gas tube units. Can't say much about the 1/4 wave units. Michael Baird wrote: Blair Davis wrote: To be sure about co-channel interference, shut down 2 of the 3 AP's and test on the other one. Make sure to shut them all down, then bring up just the one to test... Did that, made no difference. Down tilt should affect Tx and Rx about the same. That's what I figured as well. But you have more loss on the Rx than the Tx. Are the arrestors polarized? i.e. marked with antenna and transmitter ends? If so, are they in right? Nope, they are bi-directional, RFLinx Quarter wave. Bypass the arresters, and see what happens. Or, remove the gas tubes and see if that changes things. Haven't done that yet, they don't have gas tubes, they are quarterwave. Have you gone out and eyeballed the setup with some binoculars? Maybe the installer did something stupid that you might notice? They look fine from beneath the tower. When I've had massive imbalance Tx/Rx, it has always been either a bad card or water. Yea, they've been up on the tower for a week, it would be depressing if they are messed up that quickly. They were all pretty hot to each other -20/-25 even, but on 1/6/11, It may be possible the receivers were overloaded I suppose. I've had these radio's up on other towers for months without a problem though. Not this close together, they are about 2-3 feet apart on the same horizontal plane. The tape job, and self-vulcanizing stuff these guys put on was pretty serious stuff, I think there is zero chance of water anywhere. Regards Michael Baird Michael Baird wrote: Gino, wisp-router.com, would the downtilt affect the AP RSSI level? Antenna Height ft Downtilt Angle ° Vertical Beamwidth ° Results Inner -3dB Radius 0.1 Miles Sweet spot 0.2 Miles Outer -3dB Radius 5.24Miles I told him 7.8, but I'm sure he didn't get dead on, just the best he could with his inclinometer. Regards Michael Baird Where are you running the calcs? I use http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/AntDowntiltCalc.as With your input, I get main lobe 0.2 miles / -3db @ 7 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation Gino, 145', 15 degree VB, 7.7/7.8 puts my -3d at ~5 miles. If my downtilt was wrong, I would think it would impact the receive on my CPE's, much more then on the tower AP's, maybe that's a poor assumption on my part though. Regards Michael Baird I think your downtilt is too much, whats your area and tower height? The beamwidth of the maxrad sector? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation My sector's are Maxrad adjustable sector's horizontally polarized, adjusted to 120/13db, at 7.7 - 7.8 downtilt, trying to cover a 5 mile radius. Radios, are Ubiquity 400mw radio's, I've turned
