Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
If the subscriber can get the signal and use it they can certainly configure their own equipment to let the neighborhood on in so many ways it would drive you crazy. I use a combination of educating the user on why it's not a good idea to run it wide open (my child porn story comes in handy in this situation and I'm sure most of us have had those calls from whatever police department) and we configure whatever router they have or we sell them one and configure it for them for free. I have never, and I do mean never had anyone not have me configure the router and put a passphrase on it. The education part is the key to our solution. You could throttle it though, I think, like some do with the P2P. Allow a certain number of outgoing connections then drop it down. After the first phone call asking why it's so slow Well, do you happen to have an open wireless router..? The education would be over. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I don't know, but I think I'd run point-to-point wireless to the building and then run DSL in the building. I think it would be more reliable. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Yep, we all have iPhones as well. The GPS/Compass built in makes it easier for them to find towers/repeaters. Also, during Site Surveys, they have the exact GPS coordinates of where the test was done. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
I lol at the iphone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Yep, we all have iPhones as well. The GPS/Compass built in makes it easier for them to find towers/repeaters. Also, during Site Surveys, they have the exact GPS coordinates of where the test was done. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Any one has used the pUniverse App? You just point it to the sky and it puts a realtime image overlay 0f all the stars... How I wish I had a similar app for my towers!!! Site Surveys would be a piece of cake! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Yep, we all have iPhones as well. The GPS/Compass built in makes it easier for them to find towers/repeaters. Also, during Site Surveys, they have the exact GPS coordinates of where the test was done. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
My iphon gps is so sensitive it works indoors a lot. Puts a dot on the building where I am inside Oh yeah Most gps units can not stream live google earth images to hires large handheld screen either. I find this the most useful gps I've ever owned and I've had dozens. I really like the motionx gps app for the phone it does more than the garmin I had Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:15 AM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Iphone 3gs have a real gps Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
I am in total agreement! The iPhone is the best phone/gps I have ever owned. MotionX is nice, considering the TomTom stuff that just came out, but would really like to test drive it first. That along with ssh, rap, van clients and instant Exchange sync make it a very useful tool for us. * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? My iphon gps is so sensitive it works indoors a lot. Puts a dot on the building where I am inside Oh yeah Most gps units can not stream live google earth images to hires large handheld screen either. I find this the most useful gps I've ever owned and I've had dozens. I really like the motionx gps app for the phone it does more than the garmin I had Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:15 AM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 --- --- --- ---
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
That was of course supposed to be rdp and vpn, not rap and van. Darn spell checkers :) * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I am in total agreement! The iPhone is the best phone/gps I have ever owned. MotionX is nice, considering the TomTom stuff that just came out, but would really like to test drive it first. That along with ssh, rap, van clients and instant Exchange sync make it a very useful tool for us. * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? My iphon gps is so sensitive it works indoors a lot. Puts a dot on the building where I am inside Oh yeah Most gps units can not stream live google earth images to hires large handheld screen either. I find this the most useful gps I've ever owned and I've had dozens. I really like the motionx gps app for the phone it does more than the garmin I had Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:15 AM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Well, for one I'm not a cell phone geek. Geek in everything else but not the cell. I prefer a cell phone that makes a phone call and receive a phone call and that's about it. It's small, sits in my pocket and if I trash the thing somehow, no love lost. (I still use our Motorola Spirit radios for communication to persons down on the ground while on a tower, I know I'll always have a signal with those) I also have this huge issue with having to pay extra to a cell provider to use a feature that has absolutely nothing to do with them. The GPS in the phone is in the phone and if I pay them whatever the going rate is plus this fee and that fee, they will be ever so nice to unlock a feature that was manufactured into my phone that I own outright but they have been blocking with a software edit. I also come from the world of non-integrated components, as in stereo geek from the 70's. I'm on the flip side and could never understand why someone would want everything rolled up in one package. One part goes bad, you throw out all the good parts with the bad. That's probably why I'm a roll your own kinda wireless provider as well and when I buy this GPS, I'll maybe have it for 10 years at least, the cell phone 2 possibly 3 years on the outside. Plus, when the cell phone has problems and I have to send it in, replace it or whatever I'm only out a cell phone, not the other things that are integrated. It's just a different sort of mindset of what we're comfortable with. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
We use a Sextant and a compass to do our site surveys at night. No need for such fancy foo-foo apps! The sextant is all a man will ever need and then some! We then plug the numbers we get into our IBM ps/2 computer running DOS 3.2 and viola! Our exact position give or take a couple of miles. Fellow Luddites, rise up and cast off this oppressive technology! (But leave my internets alone!) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Any one has used the pUniverse App? You just point it to the sky and it puts a realtime image overlay 0f all the stars... How I wish I had a similar app for my towers!!! Site Surveys would be a piece of cake! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Yep, we all have iPhones as well. The GPS/Compass built in makes it easier for them to find towers/repeaters. Also, during Site Surveys, they have the exact GPS coordinates of where the test was done. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS I think his point was, get one that does. After all, the guy is thinking of spending to get a dedicated GPS. A new cell phone (if it didn't have GPS) instead isn't a big stretch I should think. Because not everyone carries a cell phone. If you're going to carry a GPS I'd think you might carry a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. That's pretty easy to do on an iPhone, and I have to imagine on the Pre as well since it's multitasking. Don't know much about the 'berry though. Chuck Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
The modern phones like the iPhone, Pre, and latest blackberry have true satellite GPS. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:15 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Yeah, the GoogleEarth app (for the iPhone anyway) is truly awesome. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: My iphon gps is so sensitive it works indoors a lot. Puts a dot on the building where I am inside Oh yeah Most gps units can not stream live google earth images to hires large handheld screen either. I find this the most useful gps I've ever owned and I've had dozens. I really like the motionx gps app for the phone it does more than the garmin I had Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:15 AM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
My Nextel i720 (when I used Nextel) had real GPS. You have to look carefully, but lots of cell phones have real GPS receivers in them. If I'm on a tower, I'm using bluetooth so I have my hands free and then I can look at the GPS at the same time. the iphone doesn't multi-task. The Pre and Blackberries do. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
I just love my Blackberry Curve 8900. GPS, wifi, UMA calling (wouldn't be able to do without it all carries suck in this area on indoor coverage). Really nice browser (much nicer then the 8320 I used to have), nice email. Nice resolution on the screen. Can edit word and excel docs. Built in pdf viewer. Of course the push e-mail without use of Exchange email server. Comes with all chat software It's own very excellent Blackberry messenger. Been using many different pda phones over the years but at this point will not trade it in for any other phone/pda on the market. Hate the iphone/itouch for email, chat or anything with typing required. Itouch/iphone is a nice mp3 player to listen to audio books, music or watch videos and play games on (love it as an entertaining device). Give me a real keyboard any day I will take small screen any day to get the benefit of a real key keyboard. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:17:46 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? The modern phones like the iPhone, Pre, and latest blackberry have true satellite GPS. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:15 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Yes, but you can limit the connections per IP to something that once several people get on it, it will die. Not much you can do with any type of router, why NAT is there. But there are plenty of tricks in there. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Nasty, super easy!Only down-side is the signup page is plan jane currently. But it gets the job done! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings And MT has a RADIUS server piece that does authentication and is free. User Manager. But it is nasty to get going. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote: My Nextel i720 (when I used Nextel) had real GPS. You have to look carefully, but lots of cell phones have real GPS receivers in them. If I'm on a tower, I'm using bluetooth so I have my hands free and then I can look at the GPS at the same time. the iphone doesn't multi-task. They forgot to tell me that at the store. I'm talking to my gf right now while I'm using the GPS. See, the thing is, if you don't know you can't do something, sometimes you can! ;-) I'll hazard a guess-you can multitask and use the phone as a phone and any other application (at least non-sound using applications) but you probably can't play a game and use telnet and google earth (for example) all at the same time. Damn screens are too small for all that anyway! Chuck The Pre and Blackberries do. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Yeah, my phone on one climb serves the following functions (while on tower) Phone Email SSH into gear Network monitor to make sure all devices are up and running GPS Can take nice photos of the equipment and inside box while up there to assist memory later Can adjust level and tilt of radios (yes, phone has precise apps for this :) Mileage log (milog) to capture mileage on way there and back (and everywhere else I go) and probably more I'm not thinking about No level, no walkie, no computer, no gps, no camera -- just my iPhone 3GS (with 2 year $86 replacement insurance from squaretrade) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? The problem then, is that far more of us are going to be using these new fangled devices and aren't going to have so much knowledge (less as time goes on) about the older ones. However, until I got my iPhone, I felt *exactly* like you did about cell phones. I had zero use for color and not much more for the camera...and it used to piss me off to no end that Verizon had disabled the ability to send pictures you DID take over blue tooth so you didn't have to pay them their extra fee to send a photo. That still grates on me actually, just remembering it ;-). It's not that ATT suddenly gave up all the practices of the Carriers (they did actually give up some though), but that the iPhone (and I hear the Pre is similar) is just so easy to access that functionality and it is s frigging easy to use, and there's so much you can do with so little effort...that it's become a deice I'd find it difficult to work without. Think about it...you're up on a tower and can telnet into a device using your phone, take pictures of the installation, talk to the guy on the ground or the office to coordinate, enter data into a database or check data you need...it's really quite useful. Of course, that has nothing to do with your question now. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Robert West wrote: Well, for one I'm not a cell phone geek. Geek in everything else but not the cell. I prefer a cell phone that makes a phone call and receive a phone call and that's about it. It's small, sits in my pocket and if I trash the thing somehow, no love lost. (I still use our Motorola Spirit radios for communication to persons down on the ground while on a tower, I know I'll always have a signal with those) I also have this huge issue with having to pay extra to a cell provider to use a feature that has absolutely nothing to do with them. The GPS in the phone is in the phone and if I pay them whatever the going rate is plus this fee and that fee, they will be ever so nice to unlock a feature that was manufactured into my phone that I own outright but they have been blocking with a software edit. I also come from the world of non-integrated components, as in stereo geek from the 70's. I'm on the flip side and could never understand why someone would want everything rolled up in one package. One part goes bad, you throw out all the good parts with the bad. That's probably why I'm a roll your own kinda wireless provider as well and when I buy this GPS, I'll maybe have it for 10 years at least, the cell phone 2 possibly 3 years on the outside. Plus, when the cell phone has problems and I have to send it in, replace it or whatever I'm only out a cell phone, not the other things that are integrated. It's just a different sort of mindset of what we're comfortable with. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
I hear ya. I can operate all that stuff on the phones, just have no use for it really. I program them, fix them and as far as my Verizon, I wrote some seem edits and unlocked the picture portion in order to transfer via USB cable and activated the mp3 and ringtones functions. Just because it was locked out! The pics I use from time to time but for good quality I grab the Sony digital HD cam. The other stuff, we're small and I use a pad and paper to keep note if I need to but I don't much. The important stuff to me though is the coordinates, can't do without that. Thanks for all the advice. I think I'll order that 80 buck unit this weekend and see how it goes. May get 2 if it's good. My daughter has the iPhone. Loves it but never answers the phone when I call her. I've offered to get her a replacement since obviously it isn't working but she declines. Dunno why. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? The problem then, is that far more of us are going to be using these new fangled devices and aren't going to have so much knowledge (less as time goes on) about the older ones. However, until I got my iPhone, I felt *exactly* like you did about cell phones. I had zero use for color and not much more for the camera...and it used to piss me off to no end that Verizon had disabled the ability to send pictures you DID take over blue tooth so you didn't have to pay them their extra fee to send a photo. That still grates on me actually, just remembering it ;-). It's not that ATT suddenly gave up all the practices of the Carriers (they did actually give up some though), but that the iPhone (and I hear the Pre is similar) is just so easy to access that functionality and it is s frigging easy to use, and there's so much you can do with so little effort...that it's become a deice I'd find it difficult to work without. Think about it...you're up on a tower and can telnet into a device using your phone, take pictures of the installation, talk to the guy on the ground or the office to coordinate, enter data into a database or check data you need...it's really quite useful. Of course, that has nothing to do with your question now. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Robert West wrote: Well, for one I'm not a cell phone geek. Geek in everything else but not the cell. I prefer a cell phone that makes a phone call and receive a phone call and that's about it. It's small, sits in my pocket and if I trash the thing somehow, no love lost. (I still use our Motorola Spirit radios for communication to persons down on the ground while on a tower, I know I'll always have a signal with those) I also have this huge issue with having to pay extra to a cell provider to use a feature that has absolutely nothing to do with them. The GPS in the phone is in the phone and if I pay them whatever the going rate is plus this fee and that fee, they will be ever so nice to unlock a feature that was manufactured into my phone that I own outright but they have been blocking with a software edit. I also come from the world of non-integrated components, as in stereo geek from the 70's. I'm on the flip side and could never understand why someone would want everything rolled up in one package. One part goes bad, you throw out all the good parts with the bad. That's probably why I'm a roll your own kinda wireless provider as well and when I buy this GPS, I'll maybe have it for 10 years at least, the cell phone 2 possibly 3 years on the outside. Plus, when the cell phone has problems and I have to send it in, replace it or whatever I'm only out a cell phone, not the other things that are integrated. It's just a different sort of mindset of what we're comfortable with. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
That's not a bad setup though. Stop talking your evil to me, you devil! Outta my head, Satan!!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Yeah, my phone on one climb serves the following functions (while on tower) Phone Email SSH into gear Network monitor to make sure all devices are up and running GPS Can take nice photos of the equipment and inside box while up there to assist memory later Can adjust level and tilt of radios (yes, phone has precise apps for this :) Mileage log (milog) to capture mileage on way there and back (and everywhere else I go) and probably more I'm not thinking about No level, no walkie, no computer, no gps, no camera -- just my iPhone 3GS (with 2 year $86 replacement insurance from squaretrade) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? The problem then, is that far more of us are going to be using these new fangled devices and aren't going to have so much knowledge (less as time goes on) about the older ones. However, until I got my iPhone, I felt *exactly* like you did about cell phones. I had zero use for color and not much more for the camera...and it used to piss me off to no end that Verizon had disabled the ability to send pictures you DID take over blue tooth so you didn't have to pay them their extra fee to send a photo. That still grates on me actually, just remembering it ;-). It's not that ATT suddenly gave up all the practices of the Carriers (they did actually give up some though), but that the iPhone (and I hear the Pre is similar) is just so easy to access that functionality and it is s frigging easy to use, and there's so much you can do with so little effort...that it's become a deice I'd find it difficult to work without. Think about it...you're up on a tower and can telnet into a device using your phone, take pictures of the installation, talk to the guy on the ground or the office to coordinate, enter data into a database or check data you need...it's really quite useful. Of course, that has nothing to do with your question now. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Robert West wrote: Well, for one I'm not a cell phone geek. Geek in everything else but not the cell. I prefer a cell phone that makes a phone call and receive a phone call and that's about it. It's small, sits in my pocket and if I trash the thing somehow, no love lost. (I still use our Motorola Spirit radios for communication to persons down on the ground while on a tower, I know I'll always have a signal with those) I also have this huge issue with having to pay extra to a cell provider to use a feature that has absolutely nothing to do with them. The GPS in the phone is in the phone and if I pay them whatever the going rate is plus this fee and that fee, they will be ever so nice to unlock a feature that was manufactured into my phone that I own outright but they have been blocking with a software edit. I also come from the world of non-integrated components, as in stereo geek from the 70's. I'm on the flip side and could never understand why someone would want everything rolled up in one package. One part goes bad, you throw out all the good parts with the bad. That's probably why I'm a roll your own kinda wireless provider as well and when I buy this GPS, I'll maybe have it for 10 years at least, the cell phone 2 possibly 3 years on the outside. Plus, when the cell phone has problems and I have to send it in, replace it or whatever I'm only out a cell phone, not the other things that are integrated. It's just a different sort of mindset of what we're comfortable with. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my
[WISPA] Loop start / Ground start PBX Question
I have T1 from an asterisk box feeding into a channel bank which then provides individual analog lines to OLD Hitachi PBX. Rhino says channel bank should work fine (this is second one and they have tested it) However, this is not the case, less than half the time it works, more than half the time the PBX can't pick up the line from the channel bank. I had a ground start line from telco put in to compare - it works with pbx every time. So I am in need of 1 of 2 items. I prefer a loop start to ground start converter (needs to take loop start line and provide out a ground start line not sure they make them this direction) or a channel bank that will just work providing ground start lines to PBX. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Loop start / Ground start PBX Question
You could use an Adtran Atlas800 box to convert or reconfigure your T1s. The stock ones come with 2 t1 ports I think. They are cheap on Ebay, and I have a couple kicking around too. We used to use them to convert PRIs to T1s and before that BRIs to PRIs. It could also replace the channel bank if you got the right cards for it. On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:34:33PM -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: I have T1 from an asterisk box feeding into a channel bank which then provides individual analog lines to OLD Hitachi PBX. Rhino says channel bank should work fine (this is second one and they have tested it) However, this is not the case, less than half the time it works, more than half the time the PBX can't pick up the line from the channel bank. I had a ground start line from telco put in to compare - it works with pbx every time. So I am in need of 1 of 2 items. I prefer a loop start to ground start converter (needs to take loop start line and provide out a ground start line not sure they make them this direction) or a channel bank that will just work providing ground start lines to PBX. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Loop start / Ground start PBX Question
Try this, reverse Tip and Ring.. Reverse the wires on the ground start line. That used to fix a lot of problems in my previous life as a telephone guy. less than half the time it works, more than half the time the PBX can't pick up the line from the channel bank. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry
Interesting article. http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=171860 Perhaps we can use this opportunity to help the FCC and the public understand that: 1. Fixed wireless serves a different market than mobile (cellular) wireless. 2. Fixed wireless needs more spectrum (including TV White Space) and practical regulations to allow WISPs to provide broadband FIXED wireless Internet access effectively and profitably. jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
I love my Garmin Vista HCx. If all you want is data logging, there's some very tough and inexpensive data loggers out there which are very durable because they're much simpler, no LCD display and few buttons. Greg On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ITEXPO West 2009
Who is planning on attending this conference/exhibition in two weeks. I have been asked to present on two topics: a) Use of WiMAX within the SmartGrid for Energy companies, this leverages off the work we have been doing with several US coops and with several of the major electric utilities in Canada such as Hydro One b) Stimulating rural WiMAX discussing why WiMAX enables effective service offers I will be at the conference all three days and would be pleased to get together with any WISPA members that are attending to discuss face to face some of the new products that will be launched at 4G World in Chicago. Cheers! Kevin [cid:image001.jpg@01CA2269.6DAF0EA0] Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Corporate Marketing 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.commailto:ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.comhttp://www.redlinecommunications.com/ Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion P Think green before printing this email IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Redline immediately by email at postmas...@redlinecommunications.com. Thank you. inline: image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry
Seems to be more focused on the voice side of wireless - in particular the exclusive contracts of certain phone vendors with certain providers for certain high-end (and pretty cool) phones that the smaller cell companies don't have available to them (the Pre, iPhone, Curve 8900, basically all the good ones that have been run by the list this morning). But, hopefully this will open an opportunity for us to have one more voice out there. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:39 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List; WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry Interesting article. http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=171860 Perhaps we can use this opportunity to help the FCC and the public understand that: 1. Fixed wireless serves a different market than mobile (cellular) wireless. 2. Fixed wireless needs more spectrum (including TV White Space) and practical regulations to allow WISPs to provide broadband FIXED wireless Internet access effectively and profitably. jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
It doesn't work, He talked me into getting one :s Now for ATT to give me my upgrade Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:29 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? That's not a bad setup though. Stop talking your evil to me, you devil! Outta my head, Satan!!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Yeah, my phone on one climb serves the following functions (while on tower) Phone Email SSH into gear Network monitor to make sure all devices are up and running GPS Can take nice photos of the equipment and inside box while up there to assist memory later Can adjust level and tilt of radios (yes, phone has precise apps for this :) Mileage log (milog) to capture mileage on way there and back (and everywhere else I go) and probably more I'm not thinking about No level, no walkie, no computer, no gps, no camera -- just my iPhone 3GS (with 2 year $86 replacement insurance from squaretrade) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Bartosch Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? The problem then, is that far more of us are going to be using these new fangled devices and aren't going to have so much knowledge (less as time goes on) about the older ones. However, until I got my iPhone, I felt *exactly* like you did about cell phones. I had zero use for color and not much more for the camera...and it used to piss me off to no end that Verizon had disabled the ability to send pictures you DID take over blue tooth so you didn't have to pay them their extra fee to send a photo. That still grates on me actually, just remembering it ;-). It's not that ATT suddenly gave up all the practices of the Carriers (they did actually give up some though), but that the iPhone (and I hear the Pre is similar) is just so easy to access that functionality and it is s frigging easy to use, and there's so much you can do with so little effort...that it's become a deice I'd find it difficult to work without. Think about it...you're up on a tower and can telnet into a device using your phone, take pictures of the installation, talk to the guy on the ground or the office to coordinate, enter data into a database or check data you need...it's really quite useful. Of course, that has nothing to do with your question now. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Robert West wrote: Well, for one I'm not a cell phone geek. Geek in everything else but not the cell. I prefer a cell phone that makes a phone call and receive a phone call and that's about it. It's small, sits in my pocket and if I trash the thing somehow, no love lost. (I still use our Motorola Spirit radios for communication to persons down on the ground while on a tower, I know I'll always have a signal with those) I also have this huge issue with having to pay extra to a cell provider to use a feature that has absolutely nothing to do with them. The GPS in the phone is in the phone and if I pay them whatever the going rate is plus this fee and that fee, they will be ever so nice to unlock a feature that was manufactured into my phone that I own outright but they have been blocking with a software edit. I also come from the world of non-integrated components, as in stereo geek from the 70's. I'm on the flip side and could never understand why someone would want everything rolled up in one package. One part goes bad, you throw out all the good parts with the bad. That's probably why I'm a roll your own kinda wireless provider as well and when I buy this GPS, I'll maybe have it for 10 years at least, the cell phone 2 possibly 3 years on the outside. Plus, when the cell phone has problems and I have to send it in, replace it or whatever I'm only out a cell phone, not the other things that are integrated. It's just a different sort of mindset of what we're comfortable with. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago.
Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry
Hm...I wonder how much Google had to do with that letter from the FCC being sent to ATT??? It pretty funny though, running Google Voice VoIP over the ATT signal. There goes a lot of those fees out the door if you had unlimited internet but measured voice calls. Voice over IP, TV over IP It's all going that way anyhow. I just need to figure out a way to do gas and electric over IP then I can download cheaper utilities from China. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:39 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List; WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry Interesting article. http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=171860 Perhaps we can use this opportunity to help the FCC and the public understand that: 1. Fixed wireless serves a different market than mobile (cellular) wireless. 2. Fixed wireless needs more spectrum (including TV White Space) and practical regulations to allow WISPs to provide broadband FIXED wireless Internet access effectively and profitably. jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ITEXPO West 2009
Kevin, WISPA will be there on September 1, 2 and 3. http://www.tmcnet.com/voip/conference/west-2009/overview/w09-whats-happening-at-itexpo.htm This show has quite a few interesting sessions. WISPs on the West Coast (CA, OR, NV, AZ, etc.) may want to consider attending. WISPA has partnered with WINOG for the show and WISPA plans to have a booth at the show. I plan to man the booth and Tim Harris from Desert Wireless has volunteered to help out. We would also welcome help from three or four more WISPA members even if only for an hour or two. WISPA Members - please hit me on or off-list to let me know if you can help us. jack Kevin Suitor wrote: Who is planning on attending this conference/exhibition in two weeks. I have been asked to present on two topics: a) Use of WiMAX within the SmartGrid for Energy companies, this leverages off the work we have been doing with several US coops and with several of the major electric utilities in Canada such as Hydro One b) Stimulating rural WiMAX discussing why WiMAX enables effective service offers I will be at the conference all three days and would be pleased to get together with any WISPA members that are attending to discuss face to face some of the new products that will be launched at 4G World in Chicago. Cheers! Kevin [cid:image001.jpg@01CA2269.6DAF0EA0] Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Corporate Marketing 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.commailto:ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.comhttp://www.redlinecommunications.com/ Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion P Think green before printing this email IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Redline immediately by email at postmas...@redlinecommunications.com. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - "wireless_jack" WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
http://www.dmasoftlab.com/cont/home This is the newer more updated site for radius manager Martha. Also might check out Gatespot from Wisp-router. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings We are using Radius Manager 3 (http://www.radius-manager.com/?gclid=CNqwrZL8spwCFSMeDQodd2XJnQ). It's not the best, but it is the best we found for the price. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64 096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Jeff Yette wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry
Ran across this article.. Thought it was a bit humorous.. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government-IT/What-Is-Broadband-FCC-Doesnt-Know-241 331/ This should be something where I think WISPA should try to influence and educate about fixed wireless. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:39 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List; WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry Interesting article. http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=171860 Perhaps we can use this opportunity to help the FCC and the public understand that: 1. Fixed wireless serves a different market than mobile (cellular) wireless. 2. Fixed wireless needs more spectrum (including TV White Space) and practical regulations to allow WISPs to provide broadband FIXED wireless Internet access effectively and profitably. jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
The initial requestor wouldn't be able to use a data logger. He needed to know the coordinates now but all he needed really to know is coordinates and height so a simple GPS that display just that would suffice. My suggestion would be the Beacon GPS Tracking unit as an example that can be had for about $85 at SAMs club. http://winplususa.com/beacon-gps.html Or can of course be ordered online from numerous sources. Cheapest brand new unit seems to be from Y2incusa ($64.99) http://www.y2incusa.com/beacongpstrackingsystem.aspx Shipping seems reasonable from them as well (not great, but not gauging you to death either). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I love my Garmin Vista HCx. If all you want is data logging, there's some very tough and inexpensive data loggers out there which are very durable because they're much simpler, no LCD display and few buttons. Greg On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP address? Richard 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
A handheld GPS unit has more accuracy and features than your run of the mill phone. They also output GPS info to other devices\programs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Nextels (I believe) have always had real GPS... they just use aGPS to speed initial syncs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? The modern phones like the iPhone, Pre, and latest blackberry have true satellite GPS. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:15 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Most of the GPS capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell tower locations to give location data. When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do triangulation! ryan On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS Because not everyone carries a cell phone. Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk on while looking at the GPS. Curtis Maurand wrote: Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago. iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the ability to link them to Google Maps. Job's done. Why carry a separate GPS? I don't get it. --Curtis Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Sure, but the customer plugs that one connection into his own wireless router and runs it as a DHCP server. richard sterne wrote: Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP address? Richard 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] ITEXPO West 2009
Kevin, It's worth noting that there are actually 2 separate wireless tracks / shows within IT Expo Ours (that we're doing with WISPA), is called WiNOG @ IT Expo -- track / seminar info is here: http://www.tmcnet.com/voip/conference/west-2009/attendees/w09-winog-at-itexpo.htm -- it is a track that's going on within IT Expo -- this deals with fixed wireless, WISPs and issues that are related to WISPA Collocated at IT Expo is another show more focused on 4G and wireless mobility: http://4g-wirelessevolution.tmcnet.com/conference/west-09/ -- that show deals more with mobility, LTE, 4G... .e.,g Sprint / Clearwire stuff The nice things is everyone goes to one big exhibit booth area -Charles P.S. - if anyone needs / wants some extra conference passes, I have a few that I can give out (ping me offlist) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Suitor Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] ITEXPO West 2009 Who is planning on attending this conference/exhibition in two weeks. I have been asked to present on two topics: a) Use of WiMAX within the SmartGrid for Energy companies, this leverages off the work we have been doing with several US coops and with several of the major electric utilities in Canada such as Hydro One b) Stimulating rural WiMAX discussing why WiMAX enables effective service offers I will be at the conference all three days and would be pleased to get together with any WISPA members that are attending to discuss face to face some of the new products that will be launched at 4G World in Chicago. Cheers! Kevin [cid:image001.jpg@01CA2269.6DAF0EA0] Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Corporate Marketing 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.commailto:ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.comhttp://www.redlinecommunications.com/ Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion P Think green before printing this email IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Redline immediately by email at postmas...@redlinecommunications.com. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
I'm with ya brother and that's the one I'm gonna be putting the money on this weekend. Looks to be a winner. Thanks for all the help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? The initial requestor wouldn't be able to use a data logger. He needed to know the coordinates now but all he needed really to know is coordinates and height so a simple GPS that display just that would suffice. My suggestion would be the Beacon GPS Tracking unit as an example that can be had for about $85 at SAMs club. http://winplususa.com/beacon-gps.html Or can of course be ordered online from numerous sources. Cheapest brand new unit seems to be from Y2incusa ($64.99) http://www.y2incusa.com/beacongpstrackingsystem.aspx Shipping seems reasonable from them as well (not great, but not gauging you to death either). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I love my Garmin Vista HCx. If all you want is data logging, there's some very tough and inexpensive data loggers out there which are very durable because they're much simpler, no LCD display and few buttons. Greg On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to put them in a Not Configured pool of IP addresses. During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their wireless. If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers use DHCP for configuration. They get a page that says...Your Router Lost it's Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up. In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the wireless on their network. We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find one wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE. Then when they call we explain that neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are usually... Really, I didn't know that. If they refuse to lock it down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service and disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop doing it or we will disconnect their service and that sharing is not permitted. We haven't had very many problems with it. We actually had someone call in because they felt guilty for stealing one of our customer's internet. We got there for a site-survey and found he was pulling off of Comcast, not us. We left it... Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Sure, but the customer plugs that one connection into his own wireless router and runs it as a DHCP server. richard sterne wrote: Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP address? Richard 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
No not really because the broadband router they would use only need 1 IP then it runs dhcp server on the inside and your AP/hotspot controller cannot see what is on the inside of the customers network you only see the on IP and it's single MAC address. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of richard sterne Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP address? Richard 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP' detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage such from remote, without the need to do a 'fly by'. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to put them in a Not Configured pool of IP addresses. During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their wireless. If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers use DHCP for configuration. They get a page that says...Your Router Lost it's Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up. In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the wireless on their network. We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find one wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE. Then when they call we explain that neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are usually... Really, I didn't know that. If they refuse to lock it down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service and disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop doing it or we will disconnect their service and that sharing is not permitted. We haven't had very many problems with it. We actually had someone call in because they felt guilty for stealing one of our customer's internet. We got there for a site-survey and found he was pulling off of Comcast, not us. We left it... Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Sure, but the customer plugs that one connection into his own wireless router and runs it as a DHCP server. richard sterne wrote: Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP address? Richard 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I think it was Earthlink that did have a technology by which they could see the different MACs behind a router. I wish I could remember how they said it worked. They did tell me that at the time, they were not worrying about how many computers were behind your NAT. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
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Rogue detection mostly a joke. Now before you go all whacky on me- I don't mean that it is a joke to want to know if you have someone who has brought an AP into the office building and inadvertently created a hole in the armor. I just mean that there is very little use for it other than that. When I was the Wireless Subject Matter Expert for Coca-Cola, I would have loved this in our corporate headquarters. I actually tried to buy an IDS but could not fund it. A 25 floor reflective glass and steel office building is generally isolated enough from the outside world that a rogue showing up WOULD likely be on your network. Only place I see any use is in a controlled place like that. And by the way, I shut down many a rogue using Airmagnet Laptop's geiger counter function. The highlight of the day was the shocked look on someone's face when I would barge into their office, unplug the AP and put it and all the wires on their desk all in about 10 seconds! Since then, I have done many outdoor mesh systems and indoor wireless systems using the Cisco Wireless LAN Controller based product. They include rogue AP detection and it is not only a royal pain, it cannot be disabled. Who cares if Joe down on the corner has an AP? Rogue detection wastes time and resources and is truly only accurate/usable in a controlled setting. In a four square mile city, I had 300-400 rogue alerts at any given time! I knew where every Linksys was in the city. And heaven forbid you had a node near a Wal-Mart or Home Depot. I saw Ruckus' announcement with their controller product and thought now there's another company that is introducing something that really serves no purpose. Anyway- just my two cents about rogue detection Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP' detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage such from remote, without the need to do a 'fly by'. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to put them in a Not Configured pool of IP addresses. During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their wireless. If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers use DHCP for configuration. They get a page that says...Your Router Lost it's Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up. In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the wireless on their network. We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find one wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE. Then when they call we explain that neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are usually... Really, I didn't know that. If they refuse to lock it down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service and disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop doing it or we will disconnect their service and that sharing is not permitted. We haven't had very many problems with it. We actually had someone call in because they felt guilty for stealing one of our customer's internet. We got there for a site-survey and found he was pulling off of Comcast, not us. We left it... Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Sure, but the customer plugs that one connection into his own wireless router and runs it as a DHCP server. richard sterne wrote: Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP address? Richard 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk
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Pretty confident finding the MACs behind a NAT device is impossible. I do remember some discussion on this list (or the Moto one) that suggested a white paper by a company that had created software that can intelligently guess if there was NAT judging by how it created sockets. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Rogue detection mostly a joke. Now before you go all whacky on me- I don't mean that it is a joke to want to know if you have someone who has brought an AP into the office building and inadvertently created a hole in the armor. I just mean that there is very little use for it other than that. When I was the Wireless Subject Matter Expert for Coca-Cola, I would have loved this in our corporate headquarters. I actually tried to buy an IDS but could not fund it. A 25 floor reflective glass and steel office building is generally isolated enough from the outside world that a rogue showing up WOULD likely be on your network. Only place I see any use is in a controlled place like that. And by the way, I shut down many a rogue using Airmagnet Laptop's geiger counter function. The highlight of the day was the shocked look on someone's face when I would barge into their office, unplug the AP and put it and all the wires on their desk all in about 10 seconds! Since then, I have done many outdoor mesh systems and indoor wireless systems using the Cisco Wireless LAN Controller based product. They include rogue AP detection and it is not only a royal pain, it cannot be disabled. Who cares if Joe down on the corner has an AP? Rogue detection wastes time and resources and is truly only accurate/usable in a controlled setting. In a four square mile city, I had 300-400 rogue alerts at any given time! I knew where every Linksys was in the city. And heaven forbid you had a node near a Wal-Mart or Home Depot. I saw Ruckus' announcement with their controller product and thought now there's another company that is introducing something that really serves no purpose. Anyway- just my two cents about rogue detection Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP' detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage such from remote, without the need to do a 'fly by'. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to put them in a Not Configured pool of IP addresses. During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their wireless. If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers use DHCP for configuration. They get a page that says...Your Router Lost it's Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up. In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the wireless on their network. We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find one wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE. Then when they call we explain that neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are usually... Really, I didn't know that. If they refuse to lock it down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service and disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop doing it or we will disconnect their service and that sharing is not permitted. We haven't had very many problems with it. We actually had someone call in because they felt guilty for stealing one of our customer's internet. We got there for a site-survey and found he was pulling off of Comcast, not us. We left it... Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Sure, but the customer plugs that one connection into his own wireless router and runs it as a DHCP server. richard sterne wrote: Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP address? Richard 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Not seen a
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The only one that I know that does that is Perftech. Otherwise, it must be a black hole. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Pretty confident finding the MACs behind a NAT device is impossible. I do remember some discussion on this list (or the Moto one) that suggested a white paper by a company that had created software that can intelligently guess if there was NAT judging by how it created sockets. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Rogue detection mostly a joke. Now before you go all whacky on me- I don't mean that it is a joke to want to know if you have someone who has brought an AP into the office building and inadvertently created a hole in the armor. I just mean that there is very little use for it other than that. When I was the Wireless Subject Matter Expert for Coca-Cola, I would have loved this in our corporate headquarters. I actually tried to buy an IDS but could not fund it. A 25 floor reflective glass and steel office building is generally isolated enough from the outside world that a rogue showing up WOULD likely be on your network. Only place I see any use is in a controlled place like that. And by the way, I shut down many a rogue using Airmagnet Laptop's geiger counter function. The highlight of the day was the shocked look on someone's face when I would barge into their office, unplug the AP and put it and all the wires on their desk all in about 10 seconds! Since then, I have done many outdoor mesh systems and indoor wireless systems using the Cisco Wireless LAN Controller based product. They include rogue AP detection and it is not only a royal pain, it cannot be disabled. Who cares if Joe down on the corner has an AP? Rogue detection wastes time and resources and is truly only accurate/usable in a controlled setting. In a four square mile city, I had 300-400 rogue alerts at any given time! I knew where every Linksys was in the city. And heaven forbid you had a node near a Wal-Mart or Home Depot. I saw Ruckus' announcement with their controller product and thought now there's another company that is introducing something that really serves no purpose. Anyway- just my two cents about rogue detection Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP' detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage such from remote, without the need to do a 'fly by'. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to put them in a Not Configured pool of IP addresses. During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their wireless. If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers use DHCP for configuration. They get a page that says...Your Router Lost it's Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up. In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the wireless on their network. We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find one wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE. Then when they call we explain that neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are usually... Really, I didn't know that. If they refuse to lock it down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service and disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop doing it or we will disconnect their service and that sharing is not permitted. We haven't had very many problems with it. We actually had someone call in because they felt guilty for stealing one of our customer's internet. We got there for a site-survey and found he was pulling off of Comcast, not us. We left it... Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, August 21,
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You are right. See below From Perftech- Subscriber PC Audit Application Name: Audit Sentry The Audit Sentry application counts and reports the number of users behind a PC modem, helping to detect and resolve theft of service, intended or unintended, for the Provider. It can also alert subscribers to potentially unsecured Wi-Fi access. The network-based application provides continuous monitoring of the number of users on each account, even behind NAT or Wi-Fi routers, proxies, or firewalls. Any resulting high number of users on a single account, as set by the Provider, serves as a contributing indicator of potential theft of service. Benefits: .Providers can more easily spot those who may be attempting theft of service .Providers can avoid any physical confrontation associated with on-site investigation of a potentially illegal sharing of a modem .Providers can message the potential abuser, often causing the service theft to desist .Unsuspecting subscribers can be made aware of uninvited access to their Wi-Fi network and take appropriate steps to secure it -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The only one that I know that does that is Perftech. Otherwise, it must be a black hole. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Pretty confident finding the MACs behind a NAT device is impossible. I do remember some discussion on this list (or the Moto one) that suggested a white paper by a company that had created software that can intelligently guess if there was NAT judging by how it created sockets. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Rogue detection mostly a joke. Now before you go all whacky on me- I don't mean that it is a joke to want to know if you have someone who has brought an AP into the office building and inadvertently created a hole in the armor. I just mean that there is very little use for it other than that. When I was the Wireless Subject Matter Expert for Coca-Cola, I would have loved this in our corporate headquarters. I actually tried to buy an IDS but could not fund it. A 25 floor reflective glass and steel office building is generally isolated enough from the outside world that a rogue showing up WOULD likely be on your network. Only place I see any use is in a controlled place like that. And by the way, I shut down many a rogue using Airmagnet Laptop's geiger counter function. The highlight of the day was the shocked look on someone's face when I would barge into their office, unplug the AP and put it and all the wires on their desk all in about 10 seconds! Since then, I have done many outdoor mesh systems and indoor wireless systems using the Cisco Wireless LAN Controller based product. They include rogue AP detection and it is not only a royal pain, it cannot be disabled. Who cares if Joe down on the corner has an AP? Rogue detection wastes time and resources and is truly only accurate/usable in a controlled setting. In a four square mile city, I had 300-400 rogue alerts at any given time! I knew where every Linksys was in the city. And heaven forbid you had a node near a Wal-Mart or Home Depot. I saw Ruckus' announcement with their controller product and thought now there's another company that is introducing something that really serves no purpose. Anyway- just my two cents about rogue detection Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP' detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage such from remote, without the need to do a 'fly by'. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to put them in a Not Configured pool of IP addresses. During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their wireless. If someone plugs a new
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Yes it is. Because a correctly crafted NAT package should replace the MAC address. Of the internal devices with it's own external MAC. The only true way I can see this happening is to have a device that connects to the rouge ap and attempt to generate traffic to specific end point and have the gateway controller look for this traffic to determine what ip/mac this traffic is coming from to detect what client is running the open ap. But now if they. Run a closed ap and share their encryption key or what ever with neighbors there is not a lot that could be done about it. But to find a rouge ap don't need to be that hard if you can associate to it. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:43:09 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Pretty confident finding the MACs behind a NAT device is impossible. I do remember some discussion on this list (or the Moto one) that suggested a white paper by a company that had created software that can intelligently guess if there was NAT judging by how it created sockets. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Rogue detection mostly a joke. Now before you go all whacky on me- I don't mean that it is a joke to want to know if you have someone who has brought an AP into the office building and inadvertently created a hole in the armor. I just mean that there is very little use for it other than that. When I was the Wireless Subject Matter Expert for Coca-Cola, I would have loved this in our corporate headquarters. I actually tried to buy an IDS but could not fund it. A 25 floor reflective glass and steel office building is generally isolated enough from the outside world that a rogue showing up WOULD likely be on your network. Only place I see any use is in a controlled place like that. And by the way, I shut down many a rogue using Airmagnet Laptop's geiger counter function. The highlight of the day was the shocked look on someone's face when I would barge into their office, unplug the AP and put it and all the wires on their desk all in about 10 seconds! Since then, I have done many outdoor mesh systems and indoor wireless systems using the Cisco Wireless LAN Controller based product. They include rogue AP detection and it is not only a royal pain, it cannot be disabled. Who cares if Joe down on the corner has an AP? Rogue detection wastes time and resources and is truly only accurate/usable in a controlled setting. In a four square mile city, I had 300-400 rogue alerts at any given time! I knew where every Linksys was in the city. And heaven forbid you had a node near a Wal-Mart or Home Depot. I saw Ruckus' announcement with their controller product and thought now there's another company that is introducing something that really serves no purpose. Anyway- just my two cents about rogue detection Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP' detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage such from remote, without the need to do a 'fly by'. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to put them in a Not Configured pool of IP addresses. During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their wireless. If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers use DHCP for configuration. They get a page that says...Your Router Lost it's Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up. In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the wireless on their network. We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find one wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE. Then when they call we explain that neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are usually... Really, I didn't know that. If they refuse to lock it down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service and disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop doing it or we will
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Everyone is entitled to their opinions ! Any time there is 'new feature or function introduced by Vendors , there is always a potential of serious disapointment on how it fuctions in reality vs what was expected. Eventually someone comes along and starts to make them work like they are supposed to. While I fully understand the pessimism, You will notice that there are folks on this list who are very familiar with Ruckus Wireless systems will stay quiet and chuckle to themselves. ... You asked a very good question: What is the Controller product needed for ? What a waste ? Well guess what is used for ... (all the things that need to be done, so that the system does not take a hit and keeps performing top notch) ! Regards Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Rogue detection mostly a joke. Now before you go all whacky on me- I don't mean that it is a joke to want to know if you have someone who has brought an AP into the office building and inadvertently created a hole in the armor. I just mean that there is very little use for it other than that. When I was the Wireless Subject Matter Expert for Coca-Cola, I would have loved this in our corporate headquarters. I actually tried to buy an IDS but could not fund it. A 25 floor reflective glass and steel office building is generally isolated enough from the outside world that a rogue showing up WOULD likely be on your network. Only place I see any use is in a controlled place like that. And by the way, I shut down many a rogue using Airmagnet Laptop's geiger counter function. The highlight of the day was the shocked look on someone's face when I would barge into their office, unplug the AP and put it and all the wires on their desk all in about 10 seconds! Since then, I have done many outdoor mesh systems and indoor wireless systems using the Cisco Wireless LAN Controller based product. They include rogue AP detection and it is not only a royal pain, it cannot be disabled. Who cares if Joe down on the corner has an AP? Rogue detection wastes time and resources and is truly only accurate/usable in a controlled setting. In a four square mile city, I had 300-400 rogue alerts at any given time! I knew where every Linksys was in the city. And heaven forbid you had a node near a Wal-Mart or Home Depot. I saw Ruckus' announcement with their controller product and thought now there's another company that is introducing something that really serves no purpose. Anyway- just my two cents about rogue detection Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP' detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage such from remote, without the need to do a 'fly by'. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to put them in a Not Configured pool of IP addresses. During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing their wireless. If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers use DHCP for configuration. They get a page that says...Your Router Lost it's Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up. In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the wireless on their network. We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find one wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE. Then when they call we explain that neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are usually... Really, I didn't know that. If they refuse to lock it down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service and disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop doing it or we will disconnect their service and that sharing is not permitted. We haven't had very many problems with it. We actually had someone call in because they felt guilty for stealing one of our customer's internet. We got there for a site-survey and found he was pulling off of Comcast, not us. We left it... Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I believe you can also tell by the timestamps in the packets. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I think it was Earthlink that did have a technology by which they could see the different MACs behind a router. I wish I could remember how they said it worked. They did tell me that at the time, they were not worrying about how many computers were behind your NAT. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Here is another very nice article, with a few links / software tools. http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/NAT_detection Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings For the Uber Geeks... http://www.sflow.org/detectNAT/ Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I believe you can also tell by the timestamps in the packets. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I think it was Earthlink that did have a technology by which they could see the different MACs behind a router. I wish I could remember how they said it worked. They did tell me that at the time, they were not worrying about how many computers were behind your NAT. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
LOL! Did you have to upgrade from DOS1.1 to 3.2 so the OS will see memory above 640k? When you need multi-tasking, you can do a technology leapfrog from Windows 286 to 3.1! -RickG On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We use a Sextant and a compass to do our site surveys at night. No need for such fancy foo-foo apps! The sextant is all a man will ever need and then some! We then plug the numbers we get into our IBM ps/2 computer running DOS 3.2 and viola! Our exact position give or take a couple of miles. Fellow Luddites, rise up and cast off this oppressive technology! (But leave my internets alone!) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Any one has used the pUniverse App? You just point it to the sky and it puts a realtime image overlay 0f all the stars... How I wish I had a similar app for my towers!!! Site Surveys would be a piece of cake! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Yep, we all have iPhones as well. The GPS/Compass built in makes it easier for them to find towers/repeaters. Also, during Site Surveys, they have the exact GPS coordinates of where the test was done. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607)
[WISPA] VPN's
Need some tips on VPN's. I know I've got many people who VPN to their offices with little or no trouble. But, I've had a few that had nothing but problems (dropped connections). I've got one now that is complaining but his connection is very strong (pings without loss avg 2ms direct from AP and 7ms from my MT firewall). MT Ping speed test shows a fairly consistant 3Mbps. He is 3 hops out. Equipment is WRAP2E/StarOS AP, Tranzeo CPQ-19 CPE. Any ideas? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VPN's
What type of VPN? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Need some tips on VPN's. I know I've got many people who VPN to their offices with little or no trouble. But, I've had a few that had nothing but problems (dropped connections). I've got one now that is complaining but his connection is very strong (pings without loss avg 2ms direct from AP and 7ms from my MT firewall). MT Ping speed test shows a fairly consistant 3Mbps. He is 3 hops out. Equipment is WRAP2E/StarOS AP, Tranzeo CPQ-19 CPE. Any ideas? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Or Desqview. On 8/21/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: LOL! Did you have to upgrade from DOS1.1 to 3.2 so the OS will see memory above 640k? When you need multi-tasking, you can do a technology leapfrog from Windows 286 to 3.1! -RickG On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We use a Sextant and a compass to do our site surveys at night. No need for such fancy foo-foo apps! The sextant is all a man will ever need and then some! We then plug the numbers we get into our IBM ps/2 computer running DOS 3.2 and viola! Our exact position give or take a couple of miles. Fellow Luddites, rise up and cast off this oppressive technology! (But leave my internets alone!) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Any one has used the pUniverse App? You just point it to the sky and it puts a realtime image overlay 0f all the stars... How I wish I had a similar app for my towers!!! Site Surveys would be a piece of cake! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Yep, we all have iPhones as well. The GPS/Compass built in makes it easier for them to find towers/repeaters. Also, during Site Surveys, they have the exact GPS coordinates of where the test was done. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
We upgraded our systems a few years ago. We ran abacus 1.0 for years but it got to where we were having to add more rows of wooden balls and I kept losing my place. So, we opened up the wallet and plunked down 6 bucks (I was able to talk them down from 7) for the recent IBM ps/2 running PC-DOS 3.2 and SuperCalc on dual 5.25 floppies. We have no need for 640k and frankly I wasn't about to spend the additional 75 cents the thrift store salesperson wanted to charge us. Running with 384k seems to do the job for us. I looked at windows 286 but I wasn't sure how long that company would be around so we just saved the cash. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? LOL! Did you have to upgrade from DOS1.1 to 3.2 so the OS will see memory above 640k? When you need multi-tasking, you can do a technology leapfrog from Windows 286 to 3.1! -RickG On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We use a Sextant and a compass to do our site surveys at night. No need for such fancy foo-foo apps! The sextant is all a man will ever need and then some! We then plug the numbers we get into our IBM ps/2 computer running DOS 3.2 and viola! Our exact position give or take a couple of miles. Fellow Luddites, rise up and cast off this oppressive technology! (But leave my internets alone!) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Any one has used the pUniverse App? You just point it to the sky and it puts a realtime image overlay 0f all the stars... How I wish I had a similar app for my towers!!! Site Surveys would be a piece of cake! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Yep, we all have iPhones as well. The GPS/Compass built in makes it easier for them to find towers/repeaters. Also, during Site Surveys, they have the exact GPS coordinates of where the test was done. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone
