Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas
I LOVE my Comets!!! Robert West wrote: I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? Price doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ antennas at least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive, quality Omni? Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a 411AH with one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC Wireless grid for the backhaul. The Omni lets me connect the site owner to the network, at least, and some of their neighbors. I'll upgrade to sector antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there. The Omni lets me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for the site owner's house. Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I could pay a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good! Thanks! Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas
And a much better mount and a recessed, rain shielded N connector! 3-dB Networks wrote: The GP-24-3 street price costs about double than the OD24-12... but you do get 3 degrees of electrical downtilt Comet is going to probably be more expensive across the board Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas What are Comet's prices relative to Pac's (similar products)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:31 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Robert, I strongly recommend Comet antennas... in 2.4GHz it is the only omni I typically recommend. Just had a customer swap out some Pac Omni's for Comet ones and he told me he saw an across the boards performance increase. My own limited testing in our old WISP showed them to outperform the Pac's we had elsewhere. I personally generally recommend the GP-24-3... which is 12dBi with 3 degrees of downtilt Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Comet Antennas I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? Price doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ antennas at least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive, quality Omni? Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a 411AH with one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC Wireless grid for the backhaul. The Omni lets me connect the site owner to the network, at least, and some of their neighbors. I'll upgrade to sector antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there. The Omni lets me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for the site owner's house. Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I could pay a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good! Thanks! Bob- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)
Switching to Belden 1300A, shielded with drain wire and shielded connectors has reduced static damage and the need to reboot/power cycle equipment by more than 50%. Mike Hammett wrote: People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs? Jeez... I use regular outdoor cable, no flooding, no shielding, just UV protected cable. It's all I normally need and I've been doing this for a few years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:00 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
Looks like Acorn is trying to get in on this as well. From: CBB - Jay Fuller wispagra...@cyberbroadband.net To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List btop-...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List btop-...@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:51:33 AM Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online Do we have time to read all this? :) I agree, some seem far fetched. - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List' Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online They will show most of it when they post the Executive Summaries...maybe, at least ours does, Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online I'd like to see the actual content of the applications Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd like to know more about. On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660] Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Corporate Marketing 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.commailto:ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.comhttp://www.redlinecommunications.com/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ | Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ___ Btop-bip mailing list btop-...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/btop-bip WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Gartner predicts new digital divide - High-speed broadband to create communities of haves and have nots
Gartner predicts new digital divide High-speed broadband to create communities of haves and have nots Ian Williams V3.co.uk, 09 Sep 2009 - Growth in localised, high-speed residential broadband services is beginning to open a new chasm between urban and rural areas in terms of internet access, according to new findings from Gartner. The analyst firm's Emerging Technology Analysis: Ultra-High-Speed Residential Broadband Internet, Global Consumer Services report predicts that a new digital divide will have emerged within three to five years between those able to access residential broadband speeds of 50Mbit/s or higher and those limited to basic access speeds. AdvertisementThis is despite efforts such as the UK government's Digital Britain project, which aims to provide a basic broadband service to everyone who wants it. Ultra broadband will exacerbate the digital divide among different world regions, as well as within countries, said Fernando Elizalde, principal research analyst at Gartner. Governments in countries that lag behind in the deployment of ultra broadband will come under increasing pressure to use public funds to upgrade broadband infrastructure to avoid falling behind. Elizalde explained that the need to acquire new customers and retain existing ones will see providers using headline speeds to help differentiate their services from the competition. From a consumer perspective the growing use of high bandwidth applications such as downloading or live streaming of movies and television, as well as the distribution of user-generated content through email, social networking sites and video-sharing sites, will be a key driver, according to the report. The demand for high-speed broadband is not limited to the entertainment sector, however. The report noted that e-government initiatives such as telemedicine and teaching, and business cases such as hosted services and telepresence, will all involve high levels of bandwidth use. Elizalde also highlighted several barriers that may hinder adoption. From a financial standpoint, many people may shun super-fast connections if they are too expensive and fail to offer sufficient value. The huge infrastructure investment required to roll out this level of service to the majority of the population, meanwhile, poses a financial and logistical challenge as it will often require large amounts of rewiring right up to the building. This is particularly daunting given the steady development of alternative mobile broadband technologies, such as Long Term Evolution. Despite these challenges, ultra broadband will happen and application developers should use the opportunity offered by the early adopter markets of Japan and South Korea to carry out live testing of new applications and innovations before it becomes mainstream globally, concluded Elizalde. Operators must position faster broadband speeds as a premium service to avoid commoditisation of ultra broadband, and strike a balance between their need to charge more for faster broadband and consumer willingness to pay for the extra speed. Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Corporate Marketing 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion Think green before printing this email IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Redline immediately by email at postmas...@redlinecommunications.com. Thank you. iBUb3duIENlbnRyZSBCbHZkLiBNYXJraGFtLCBPTiBM M1IgMEU4IENBTkFEQQ0KbzogKzEgOTA1Ljk0OC4yMjk5ICAgICBmOiArMSA2NDcuNzIzLjA0NTEg ICAgIG06ICsxIDQxNi41MDguMTI1MgkNClNreXBlOsKgwqAga3N1aXRvcg0KZS1tYWlsOsKgwqAg a3N1aXRvckByZWRsaW5lY29tbXVuaWNhdGlvbnMuY29tDQpXZWI6ICAgICB3d3cucmVkbGluZWNv bW11bmljYXRpb25zLmNvbQ0KDQpBZHZhbmNpbmcgQnJvYWRiYW5kIFdpcmVsZXNzIC0gUHV0dGlu ZyBXaU1BWCBpbiBNb3Rpb24NCu+BkMKgIFRoaW5rIGdyZWVuIGJlZm9yZSBwcmludGluZyB0aGlz IGVtYWlsDQoNCg= WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Can you point us to your fcc certified 5.4 systems? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a FCC certified System,.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
Where will the Executive Summaries be posted, what area? I too am interested in seeing some of the content of the applications. - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List' Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online They will show most of it when they post the Executive Summaries...maybe, at least ours does, Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online I'd like to see the actual content of the applications Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd like to know more about. On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660] Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Corporate Marketing 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.commailto:ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.comhttp://www.redlinecommunications.com/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ | Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ___ Btop-bip mailing list btop-...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/btop-bip WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
And yet, still no RSSI display on the radio itself :( Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else catching up for awhile). Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire... Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
http://store.jeffcosoho.com, I don't know if the 5.4 is on there. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Can you point us to your fcc certified 5.4 systems? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a FCC certified System,.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
The executive summaries with confidential information removed are due today at 5pm. My guess is they will be posted to www.broadbandusa.gov within a week. The instructions want people to printout the executive summary, blackout the confidential information, scan it into a PDF and send it back. This will make it difficult to search the summaries. Does anyone know of software that can do OCR on bunch of PDF files in batch mode? Also, applicants are not required to submit an executive summary and many will probably not submit an exec summary because they are lazy, did see the message or don't want people to know more about their project. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online There's no way to know that until they do it since the link doesn't exist yet-and even if they told us it will be at such-and-such link, you're about even odds for them actually putting it at the link they tell you. But, it will no doubt be on the NTIA web site at the least, just as the abstracts were. I'm sure you'll see it posted here in an email the instant it becomes available though. Chuck On Sep 14, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Robert West wrote: Where will the Executive Summaries be posted, what area? I too am interested in seeing some of the content of the applications. - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List' Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online They will show most of it when they post the Executive Summaries...maybe, at least ours does, Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online I'd like to see the actual content of the applications Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd like to know more about. On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660] Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Corporate Marketing 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.commailto:ksui...@redlinecommunications. com Web: www.redlinecommunications.comhttp://www.redlinecommunications.com/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ___ Btop-bip mailing list btop-...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/btop-bip - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else catching up for awhile). Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire... Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
Port 81 blocked here locally by our corporate content filter :( On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: That link popped right open for me. I'm also outside of that network. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it): http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. Do you mean PPS? Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing. Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees. And Microsoft =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 years. I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work and work and work! I think I only did one firmware upgrade too! Don't forget that we also charge per bit. Not per speed. Our users likely use less bandwidth than the average one does. Out here, with our high costs for bandwidth make that matter. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 years. I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work and work and work! I think I only did one firmware upgrade too! Don't forget that we also charge per bit. Not per speed. Our users likely use less bandwidth than the average one does. Out here, with our high costs for bandwidth make that matter. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it): http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. Do you mean PPS? Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing. Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees. And Microsoft =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 years. I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work and work and work! I think I only did one firmware upgrade too! Don't forget that we also charge per bit. Not per speed. Our users likely use less bandwidth than the average one does. Out here, with our high costs for bandwidth make that matter. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
Jason, You don't happen to have a parts list left laying around do you? Bob Elliott Information Systems RCS Communications 502.587.7384 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism The fixed cameras were about $30/ea. The composite to IP box was about $50. The alarm system was about $200 when we put it in 5 years ago. Yeah, the PTZ was about $2000 for a good one, great zoom, enclosure w/ fan and heat. But the news uses it as a weathercam, so we got them to foot the bill - and we provide the IP. Jayson On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Wow too rich for my blood. That has to cost a few grand right there! On 9/4/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Absolutely. PTZ on the top, 2 fixed on the bottom pointing at parking area/fence gate. Motion sensor outdoors inside the fence area. Contact sensor on the door. Always a good idea. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Do you do those things? On 9/4/09, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: And the site owners didn't install alarms and video surveillance equipment because... Tom S. - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism http://www.elfpressoffice.org/ Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool (or a complete crack head) to destroy a big tower with your person AT THE BASE OF THE TOWER! Where else (on the ground) would be a worse place to be with a tower coming down? I'd want to be out of the fall radius. On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 01:44:25PM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: fyi watch those towers! And don't forget to take the keys from any equipment left on site. marlon - Original Message - From: scottw...@verizon.net To: towert...@contesting.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism This link details recent vandalism against commercial antenna towers in Washington State http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,546561,00.html 73, Scott W3TX E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13200 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
Didn't work for me either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it): http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. Do you mean PPS? Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing. Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees. And Microsoft =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 years. I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work and work and work! I think I only did one firmware upgrade too! Don't forget that we also charge per bit. Not per speed. Our users likely use less bandwidth than the average one does. Out here, with our high costs for bandwidth make that matter. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 802.11n standard finally approved
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10351215-94.html Excerpt: 9/11/09 As predicted last month http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10293958-94.html, the IEEE has finally approved the 802.11n high-throughput wireless LAN standard. Finalization of the new wireless networking standard--which is capable of delivering throughput speeds up to 300 megabits per second (and even higher)--took exactly seven years from the day it was conceived, or six years from the first draft version. The standard has been through a dozen or so draft versions. News of the ratification broke via a blog post http://s2n.merunetworks.com/2009/09/802-11n-approved-official-notification/ displaying an e-mail sent by Bruce Kraemer, longtime chairman of the 802.11n Task Group, to task group members. There has been no public announcement yet. *Update 5:49 p.m. PDT*: A press release has been issued http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS183099+11-Sep-2009+BW20090911. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Does this mean we can use 5.4Ghz with MT? -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a FCC certified System,.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a FCC certified System,.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work:
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
Agreed...need more information before anyone should get too excited. Tell us the basics like what payload capacity will a single Quantum radio pair produce with: (1) 30MHz wide channel (2) 40MHz wide channel (3) 80MHz wide channel Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum What is Quantum throughput per carrier, without XPIC and multiple antennas ? The website tells the up to number... Rubens On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else catching up for awhile). Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire... Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 years. I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work and work and work! I think I only did one firmware upgrade too! Don't forget that we also charge per bit. Not per speed. Our users likely use less bandwidth than the average one does. Out here, with our high costs for bandwidth make that matter. laters, marlon What happens when they ban download caps? http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/ Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of advantages to going towards something else Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take over the pole attachments eagerly. Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they got in place and tie it back to our stuff? Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications Same sort of situation we ran into. The selling company only owned them a fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their attachment fees from the company before. Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with others. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased opporations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take over the pole attachments eagerly. Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they got in place and tie it back to our stuff? Thanks, John - Original Message - From: jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:07:38 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications My experience is pretty much the same. I tried to buy a dozen sites and they ripped the cable out making them worthless. I did not even need/want the amps/splitters and such, just the coax on the poles. Blake Bowers wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
And I should point out... the Radwin Radios are quad band out of the box (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of advantages to going towards something else Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
That link popped right open for me. I'm also outside of that network. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it): http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. Do you mean PPS? Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing. Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees. And Microsoft =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 years. I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work and work and work! I think I only did one firmware upgrade too! Don't forget that we also charge per bit. Not per speed. Our users likely use less bandwidth than the average one does. Out here, with our high costs for bandwidth make that matter. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
Grin I guess that was a decent choice of port for my purposes then! lol marlon - Original Message - From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio Port 81 blocked here locally by our corporate content filter :( On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: That link popped right open for me. I'm also outside of that network. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it): http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. Do you mean PPS? Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing. Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees. And Microsoft =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 years. I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work and work and work! I think I only did one firmware upgrade too! Don't forget that we also charge per bit. Not per speed. Our users likely use less bandwidth than the average one does. Out here, with our high costs for bandwidth make that matter. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
There's no way to know that until they do it since the link doesn't exist yet-and even if they told us it will be at such-and-such link, you're about even odds for them actually putting it at the link they tell you. But, it will no doubt be on the NTIA web site at the least, just as the abstracts were. I'm sure you'll see it posted here in an email the instant it becomes available though. Chuck On Sep 14, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Robert West wrote: Where will the Executive Summaries be posted, what area? I too am interested in seeing some of the content of the applications. - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List' Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online They will show most of it when they post the Executive Summaries...maybe, at least ours does, Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online I'd like to see the actual content of the applications Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd like to know more about. On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660] Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Corporate Marketing 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252 Skype: ksuitor e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.commailto:ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.comhttp://www.redlinecommunications.com/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ___ Btop-bip mailing list btop-...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/btop-bip WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
What is Quantum throughput per carrier, without XPIC and multiple antennas ? The website tells the up to number... Rubens On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else catching up for awhile). Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire... Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
I get time out problems. Firefox says the site was taking too long to respond. Al -- At 08:03 AM 09/14/2009 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: --- That link popped right open for me. I'm also outside of that network. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it): http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. Do you mean PPS? Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing. Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees. And Microsoft =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a ping test. My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but not the number of threads running through it. It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 years. I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work and work and work! I think I only did one firmware upgrade too! Don't forget that we also charge per bit. Not per speed. Our users likely use less bandwidth than the average one does. Out here, with our high costs for bandwidth make that matter. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- END QUOTE - WISPA Wants You! Join today!
[WISPA] Fwd: Which WiMAX Are You?
7mhz channel. Depending on the setting and service level I want to give. I have 40ms coming from my upstream and my customers is getting around 65ms give or take. 0 lost packets. I have bandwith shaping enabled and Q-RED. Adaptive modulation with most values staying at QAM 64 3/4. This modulation is available at-78. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] backhaul choices
Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of advantages to going towards something else Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Can someone add the Radwin along with street pricing to the microwave backhaul wiki? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of advantages to going towards something else Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
Very true statement re quite a lot of new concepts to learn, but once you get the general idea it's not a problem. We have certainly found that to be the case with WISPs moving from older solutions and Wi-Fi based products. There is a learning curve with WiMAX that some I think are uncomfortable with and that can be a deterent for them trying it. I've not met any though who were not able to get past the curve. I've not met any who would go back either. I only wish there were 802.16-based products across the full range of bands, especially 900. We do cover the 5 GHz bands and 3.65 GHz, but I get how some really need the 900. I do think that even in those cases, using WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is a great way to feed 900 MHz cells. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:50 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You? I use axxcelera 3650 gear without diversity. Obviously there are certain limitations but I have customers with cpe units that are completely non line of sight (over a building and through trees) at 2 miles that reliably do 10 Meg symetrical links. Once you get a good cinr number you are done. There are quite a lot of new concepts to learn but once you get the general idea it's not a problem. We are in a very high noise area so this is a nice solution. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Looks like we were going with MSRP, not street prices. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: Can someone add the Radwin along with street pricing to the microwave backhaul wiki? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of advantages to going towards something else Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
The D standard does not include support for diversity, though nothing technically prevents a company from making a D product that could (except money!). Our position is just that is adds major CAPEX to the build-out beyond the justification for most WISPs. Plus, there are elements of E that WISPs would be better off without, especially the built in techniques that increase latency and lower net capacity. In an E deployment, you are literally paying for features that can work to your detriment in our view. I am very familiar with the theory the E users may someday benefit from lower cost due to economies of scale. To that, I would politely say, What economies of scale? LTE has won and a number of major telecom vendors have already dropped E development entirely. And anyway, the economies of scale, if any, are going to benefit 2.5 GHz users who have hopes of obtaining USB dongles, cards and maybe even laptops with built in WiMAX clients. Yay for them!...but that's not going to do a hill of beans for 3.65 GHz users. Those users still require outdoor CPE where much of the cost is embedded in the power amplification, just as happens in a 2.5 GHz outdoor CPE. You'll never see any cost benefits on the base station side of E from any possible economies of scale -- there you can still expect to pay maybe 2:1 or more for the same capacity as a D-based system. Which of you are up for that? No many as far as I can see...not unless Uncle Sam dumps big dollars into your lap. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You? Patrick, Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses inline... The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self-install. Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity? Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include implementation of it? Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity. My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre-Wimax Aperto supported all types of Diversity. Please clarify. I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity at the AP. Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider spectrum availabilty and congestion. Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity diversity. Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per antenna. Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed signficant improvements in range. This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels. Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest expectations. I'd agree. And I'd agree D is most appropriate for most WISPs. I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs? People want to pick the technology with the longest life span. Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E. Just like is happening right now. I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors. So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their supprot for D. The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have chosen D for price reasons. But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it. If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices, because of economy of scale and diverse use for WiMax chipsets. So what I'm saying is... Wimax E is killing themselves by pricing their products to high. Right now D has the potential to regain its market share because its price advantage. However, one good way for E to protect its market share is to try and influence the discontinuation of D. Thus important to support the continued development of D. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc We'd like
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] longhorn towers
Anyone remember Longhorn Towers from Austin Texas. Back in 1986, they erected a tower we just purchased. I can't seem to find any mention of them anywhere. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fatality today
Justin Stamps, 26 years old, from Wagoner OK is the person who lost his life today in Rover MO. Audio of the 911 dispatch and response will be available at www.wirelessestimator.com later this evening. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
To be fair, in backhaul list We should include. Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000 Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR) As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per link. I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k per side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a while, so maybe pricing has changed. If someone bought it for the Wiki listed price per link, please tell me where. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Snaplink is roughly $8795 MSRP per link, 160Mbps half duplex, 24GHz. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices To be fair, in backhaul list We should include. Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000 Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR) As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per link. I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k per side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a while, so maybe pricing has changed. If someone bought it for the Wiki listed price per link, please tell me where. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Not to double email, I thought I would also say that the 40Mbps SNaplink is $6995 MSRP. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices To be fair, in backhaul list We should include. Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000 Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR) As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per link. I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k per side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a while, so maybe pricing has changed. If someone bought it for the Wiki listed price per link, please tell me where. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is
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Pretty broad statement: MT is FCC Certified :) Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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As a MT Distributor, MT contacts us from time to time to have their systems FCC tested with various different antennas. I for one know that we have shipped ARC Wireless 2.4 19dB and ARC 2.4 15dB and ARC 5GHz 23dB antennas for CPEs, and MANY MANY Pac Wireless Antennas to their FCC certification labs. I don't have the certification numbers etc, but we were provided with the FCC Cert stickers for those antenna combinations. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Pretty broad statement: MT is FCC Certified :) Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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Which would mean that MT is FCC certified. The box would be running MT, regardless of the card, box, antenna, etc. Travis Microserv ralph wrote: Pretty broad statement: MT is FCC Certified :) Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Go to: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm Put in Mikrotik for the applicant name. You will see their modular approval listed for their various products. R52, R52-350 (R52H),R2N, R52N, RB/411AR, R5H, etc. To get more into detail about the antennas, you will need to look at all the exhibits listed to find the different antenna models. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices As a MT Distributor, MT contacts us from time to time to have their systems FCC tested with various different antennas. I for one know that we have shipped ARC Wireless 2.4 19dB and ARC 2.4 15dB and ARC 5GHz 23dB antennas for CPEs, and MANY MANY Pac Wireless Antennas to their FCC certification labs. I don't have the certification numbers etc, but we were provided with the FCC Cert stickers for those antenna combinations. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Pretty broad statement: MT is FCC Certified :) Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Once again the host board does not need to be more the part B certified which is a self certified process (documentation is on routerboard.com). TVS-R52 is certified with routerboard and a slew high gain antennas. Every time I hear this argument about system certified as complete system I just want to scream. Just turn your own laptop over take the FCC id of the radio card in your laptop and go look it up and you will see it is almost guaranteed NOT certified with the same model it is now sitting in. Proof enough for you that you do not need this supposed complete system certification or maybe it's time to turn in HP, Dell, gateway, Appel et al for selling non certified solutions by the millions each year. This could be billions for FCC in fines if it was the case but it is not so they created the part B certification process years back to allow for rapid growth in the computer industry. Only the tranciever and the antenna components need certified together. The FCC cert lab we used also said the same and basically would do the testing of the cards we personally certified with high gain antennas with each system board we wanted to use because it wasn't needed. Also they only required us to certify with the highest gain of each family we wanted certified and each antenna of same performance and characteristics of same or lower gain in the same family would be covered if we the certification owners said it was equal. So we could if we wanted sell a 9dB omni as a certified antenna if we had passed with a 12dB it would be. Also if we wanted to change from one brand 12dB omni the WE who own the certification could do this substitute but all others that was users could ONLY use the omni models WE would permit as certified. So there is no end user substitute but the certification owner can as long that the antenna selected is NOT of a higher gain and we can prove that it's a equal antenna. So certified with a plain 12dB omni we couldn't change to a active 12dB omni similarity or certify a 19dB panel and substitute for a 19dB grid dish. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:00:20 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Pretty broad statement: MT is FCC Certified :) Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
Depends on what you want to do with the cable, condition of the cable, etc. I did some tests with coaxial ethernet and were very impressed. Now only I could have got the local plants that went down for some larger scale testing. sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take over the pole attachments eagerly. Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they got in place and tie it back to our stuff? Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications Same sort of situation we ran into. The selling company only owned them a fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their attachment fees from the company before. Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with others. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fatality today
Actual link is http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Breaking%20News Be safe and careful out there guys! -RickG On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Justin Stamps, 26 years old, from Wagoner OK is the person who lost his life today in Rover MO. Audio of the 911 dispatch and response will be available at www.wirelessestimator.com later this evening. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
