Re: [WISPA] here it come$
Computer Inquiry Acts = CIA -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Reply-To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:34:12 -0600 EXACTLY! Good old Computer Inquires Acts! Wish they were still valid? and/or enforced...and had an FCC enforcement bureau to keep it true. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com Reply-To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:38:44 -0500 RANT Gee, now this (ESPN Live 360) won't make the Cable-Op internet providers have an unfair advantage over traditional ISPs! You have to imagine that the cable-op's are negotiating this internet service into their network programming agreements with EPSN, whereas if you are a non-cable-op you will have to pay outright and separate for the service and then pass along that fee to all of your subscribers or more likely... eat the cost. This is another case where a utility is able to abuse its monopoly power to the disadvantage of a non-utility ISP. The regulated and non-regulated portions of a company that engages in internet service need to be forced to conduct business as arms-length transactions. For instance... if MegaCableCompany operates as a Cable TV provider and operates as an internet provider, the Cable TV provider business unit is regulated and enjoys an advantage as a utility, whereas the Internet Provider Business Unit is unregulated and operates in an open market. The Cable TV unit is free to negotiate terms for TV programming from the various networks. The Internet Unit is free to negotiate terms of service for internet related valued-added-services. Whereas, the Cable TV unit should not be permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services. (i.e. ESPN Live 360). The CableTV unit as a utility providing TV service should have no interest in internet valued added services. However, in the alternative... if the Cable TV unit were permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services, it should be prepared to offer those services to the open market at the same rate that it charges its own Internet Service Business Unit!! Of course.. this argument may sound familiar to some of you... I've made this same argument time and time again for the unbundling of network elements within the TelCo monopolies. If you sell phone service as a utility, your associated unregulated ISP business unit should not enjoy preferential pricing with regards to internet transport or internet termination. /RANT Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
If this radar operates at 5600-5650 why does the FCC now require the DFS on 5300mhz ??? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements Eric, That is a very responsible position to take. The database doesn't exist yet. Final definition and creation of it is being worked on right now by the Industry Group (Motorola, Cisco, Atheros, Intel, WISPA and others). WISPA and the FCC Committee will be helping with industry outreach and education so we will alert you (and as many other operators as possible) on-list when there are major developments and when the database is ready. Let me know which TDWR site you are near and I'll find out what frequency they are using so you can remain 30 MHz away from it. jack (Chair - WISPA FCC Committee) Eric Rogers wrote: Jack, Who do I contact to get on the list? I am like 5 miles from one of the TDWR radar sites. We are using Motorola 5.4 with 9.5 so it supposedly has more updated signatures. I would rather get on the list voluntarily than they find me. Eric From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. jack Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
They have required it there for several years. It is part of the reason we get to operate there. It is required on 5.4 as well. On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If this radar operates at 5600-5650 why does the FCC now require the DFS on 5300mhz ??? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements Eric, That is a very responsible position to take. The database doesn't exist yet. Final definition and creation of it is being worked on right now by the Industry Group (Motorola, Cisco, Atheros, Intel, WISPA and others). WISPA and the FCC Committee will be helping with industry outreach and education so we will alert you (and as many other operators as possible) on-list when there are major developments and when the database is ready. Let me know which TDWR site you are near and I'll find out what frequency they are using so you can remain 30 MHz away from it. jack (Chair - WISPA FCC Committee) Eric Rogers wrote: Jack, Who do I contact to get on the list? I am like 5 miles from one of the TDWR radar sites. We are using Motorola 5.4 with 9.5 so it supposedly has more updated signatures. I would rather get on the list voluntarily than they find me. Eric From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. jack Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I just got an HTC Hero running Droid 1.6. I'm liking it so far. We'll see how good (or bad) the radio is in it. I'm often on the very fringes of coverage. It's been a bit of a pita to figure out how to use it though. Like how can I take out their silly sig line in the emails that I send??? marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app I have the droid and love it. You can turn off the tactile response in the settings. I've got far more useful networking apps on the droid than my friends with Iphones and the best part is that I'm NOT on ATT! Cameron On 3/12/2010 12:40 AM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: Yeah, I haven't found tethering to make all that much sense either. My gf has her iPhone jail broken, but honestly, I think she does it just because she can...I haven't seen her do anything with it that actually mattered. I haven't had a problem doing anything I needed (or wanted) to do without jail breaking. I also have a Droid at the moment, but damn, I'll tell you, it's a annoying as hell in comparison. And I really hate the little feedback vibration every time I touch one of the permanent keys (maybe that can be turned off-I haven't taken the time to delve too much into the options yet). I'll keep using it for a few more days but so far it doesn't compare, even though Verizon's 3G coverage IS a little but broader out this way (but, it's not as much broader as I'd thought it was supposed to be). However, if I didn't have the iPhone as an option, I'd probably love the Droid. Sure beats what I used to use, even if it doesn't quite meet (for me) the iPhone standards. As always with this kind of thing, I'm sure YMMV. Chuck On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Data Technology wrote: Justin Wilson wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin I had thought that would be a great thing to have, then I could connect the laptop and have a bigger screen and kbd to browse with. But around here I don't have 3g available, so ATT is slow for the internet. I then thought that I could just use a wi-fi connection (surly I could find one of those!) but then I thought, you big dummy, if I can get a wi-fi connection on the phone to tether to the laptop then I could just connect to the wi-fi with the laptop ;) So I dont't think I really need tethering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
One of these days *someone* is going to find a way to create a network to compete with ESPN and things will get a lot nicer! Fox Sports Northwest, out here, gets watched a LOT more than ESPN these days. marlon - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 02:38:44PM -0500, Larry Yunker wrote: RANT Gee, now this (ESPN Live 360) won't make the Cable-Op internet providers have an unfair advantage over traditional ISPs! You have to imagine that the cable-op's are negotiating this internet service into their network programming agreements with EPSN, whereas if you are a non-cable-op you will have to pay outright and separate for the service and then pass along that fee to all of your subscribers or more likely... eat the cost. My understanding is that ESPN is the 800 pound gorilla here. You can't sell non-basic cable if you don't have ESPN. ESPN is reported to get $4/customer/month from the cable companies for providing the television programming it does. Things like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/business/media/29cable.html happen all the time where the broadcasters and operators can't agree over money and threaten to shut off your favorite channels. A cable company might be persuaded to get espn360 to hedge their position incase they were afraid of hardball negotiations over their cable channel costs. It wounldn't be all or nothing with ESPN if they offered espn360. If they can't provide something, the customers will go straight to dish or directv. I'm not sticking up for the cable companies here. Those participating might also see the Internet as simply a conduit for proprietary and costly entertainment, which is a travesty in it's own right. That is something to rant about. This is another case where a utility is able to abuse its monopoly power to the disadvantage of a non-utility ISP. The regulated and non-regulated portions of a company that engages in internet service need to be forced to conduct business as arms-length transactions. For instance... if MegaCableCompany operates as a Cable TV provider and operates as an internet provider, the Cable TV provider business unit is regulated and enjoys an advantage as a utility, whereas the Internet Provider Business Unit is unregulated and operates in an open market. The Cable TV unit is free to negotiate terms for TV programming from the various networks. The Internet Unit is free to negotiate terms of service for internet related valued-added-services. Whereas, the Cable TV unit should not be permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services. (i.e. ESPN Live 360). The CableTV unit as a utility providing TV service should have no interest in internet valued added services. However, in the alternative... if the Cable TV unit were permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services, it should be prepared to offer those services to the open market at the same rate that it charges its own Internet Service Business Unit!! Of course.. this argument may sound familiar to some of you... I've made this same argument time and time again for the unbundling of network elements within the TelCo monopolies. If you sell phone service as a utility, your associated unregulated ISP business unit should not enjoy preferential pricing with regards to internet transport or internet termination. /RANT Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
This is interesting: http://www.seizethepage.com/how-to-watch-espn360-if-it-is-not-provided-through-your-isp/ On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: One of these days *someone* is going to find a way to create a network to compete with ESPN and things will get a lot nicer! Fox Sports Northwest, out here, gets watched a LOT more than ESPN these days. marlon - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 02:38:44PM -0500, Larry Yunker wrote: RANT Gee, now this (ESPN Live 360) won't make the Cable-Op internet providers have an unfair advantage over traditional ISPs! You have to imagine that the cable-op's are negotiating this internet service into their network programming agreements with EPSN, whereas if you are a non-cable-op you will have to pay outright and separate for the service and then pass along that fee to all of your subscribers or more likely... eat the cost. My understanding is that ESPN is the 800 pound gorilla here. You can't sell non-basic cable if you don't have ESPN. ESPN is reported to get $4/customer/month from the cable companies for providing the television programming it does. Things like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/business/media/29cable.html happen all the time where the broadcasters and operators can't agree over money and threaten to shut off your favorite channels. A cable company might be persuaded to get espn360 to hedge their position incase they were afraid of hardball negotiations over their cable channel costs. It wounldn't be all or nothing with ESPN if they offered espn360. If they can't provide something, the customers will go straight to dish or directv. I'm not sticking up for the cable companies here. Those participating might also see the Internet as simply a conduit for proprietary and costly entertainment, which is a travesty in it's own right. That is something to rant about. This is another case where a utility is able to abuse its monopoly power to the disadvantage of a non-utility ISP. The regulated and non-regulated portions of a company that engages in internet service need to be forced to conduct business as arms-length transactions. For instance... if MegaCableCompany operates as a Cable TV provider and operates as an internet provider, the Cable TV provider business unit is regulated and enjoys an advantage as a utility, whereas the Internet Provider Business Unit is unregulated and operates in an open market. The Cable TV unit is free to negotiate terms for TV programming from the various networks. The Internet Unit is free to negotiate terms of service for internet related valued-added-services. Whereas, the Cable TV unit should not be permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services. (i.e. ESPN Live 360). The CableTV unit as a utility providing TV service should have no interest in internet valued added services. However, in the alternative... if the Cable TV unit were permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services, it should be prepared to offer those services to the open market at the same rate that it charges its own Internet Service Business Unit!! Of course.. this argument may sound familiar to some of you... I've made this same argument time and time again for the unbundling of network elements within the TelCo monopolies. If you sell phone service as a utility, your associated unregulated ISP business unit should not enjoy preferential pricing with regards to internet transport or internet termination. /RANT Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:20 PM, RickG wrote: Actually, yes, this is the first I've heard about it. Obviously, I'm not a sports fan :) I was initially surprised you hadn't heard of it before too because you're pretty active on list and it's been discussed numerous times and in detail over the past 15 months but maybe it was on another list (the WISPA members list?). Or, like the Form 477 discussions a few years ago that I personally skipped over for a long time, maybe it was just an ignored thread topic (given our propensity to not start new threads for new topics, that wouldn't be surprising). Most of us heard of it either due to customer complaints or because of the list discussion. For what it's worth, I honestly don't think the industry will ever move en-mass to a pay-by-the-bit model. True, it makes the most sense from an operator standpoint, but it's just too easy to get undercut by a competitor who doesn't do it, the big companies that would have to do it first for it to go mainstream invariably chicken out too quickly or mess it up by doing it in a high-handed fashion that pisses everyone off, or politicians will get involved to defeat the model. That's *my* prediction. Chuck I've never had a customer request. I've have mixed feelings about this. Coming from the cable world, I was used to paying providers for channel content. The difference was, we didnt have to pay for bandwidth. Now, everyone wants to ride the bandwidth that we pay for to get to our customer. Maybe big bad ESPN should pay us? .05/sub/month doesnt sound like much but it adds up real fast. Worse yet, you still pay even though not everyone wants or needs it. Oh, and just what we need, another paper to fill out. I've been predicting since '97 that we'll have to charge the billing model to charge by the bit and that day is getting closer each time things like this occur. -RickG BTW: I did dial-up back in '93 and never paid for a TCP/IP stack or the Browser :) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com wrote: I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
We have a fiber link to ATT. All of our ESPN360 traffic goes across that fiber. It says provided by ATT but that's not a big deal to me if it saves me $500-1000/mth. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:20 PM, RickG wrote: Actually, yes, this is the first I've heard about it. Obviously, I'm not a sports fan :) I was initially surprised you hadn't heard of it before too because you're pretty active on list and it's been discussed numerous times and in detail over the past 15 months but maybe it was on another list (the WISPA members list?). Or, like the Form 477 discussions a few years ago that I personally skipped over for a long time, maybe it was just an ignored thread topic (given our propensity to not start new threads for new topics, that wouldn't be surprising). Most of us heard of it either due to customer complaints or because of the list discussion. For what it's worth, I honestly don't think the industry will ever move en-mass to a pay-by-the-bit model. True, it makes the most sense from an operator standpoint, but it's just too easy to get undercut by a competitor who doesn't do it, the big companies that would have to do it first for it to go mainstream invariably chicken out too quickly or mess it up by doing it in a high-handed fashion that pisses everyone off, or politicians will get involved to defeat the model. That's *my* prediction. Chuck I've never had a customer request. I've have mixed feelings about this. Coming from the cable world, I was used to paying providers for channel content. The difference was, we didnt have to pay for bandwidth. Now, everyone wants to ride the bandwidth that we pay for to get to our customer. Maybe big bad ESPN should pay us? .05/sub/month doesnt sound like much but it adds up real fast. Worse yet, you still pay even though not everyone wants or needs it. Oh, and just what we need, another paper to fill out. I've been predicting since '97 that we'll have to charge the billing model to charge by the bit and that day is getting closer each time things like this occur. -RickG BTW: I did dial-up back in '93 and never paid for a TCP/IP stack or the Browser :) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com wrote: I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
[WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
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[WISPA] Protecting Radio Equiment from Coronal Mass Ejections
Sorry for the Scifi thread but we know that this has happened in the past when we had very few birds in the air and were not as dependent on this equipment. Since we are now witnessing the Sun going into a Solar Maximum and some amazing filaments that NASA seems to be concerned about, I have a question about protecting radio equipment. I recently saw a video of a fellow protecting his vehicle by removing the battery and bolting both the +/- cables together grounding the vehicle. Is there a way to ground a tower and equipment attached to the tower this way? Of course a big faraday cage is what we would need...lol, but that is not too rational. Is there a way to create some sort of drop dead switch to protect the gear? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
Chuck, You're perceptive on the reasons I didnt hear of it, I probably just didnt pay attention as it didnt seem to apply or it just got lost in all the topics. As I've mentioned before, I did pay by the bit back in '98 when I was GM at a small cable co. I only imposed it on bandwidth hogs and it worked well. The reason I havent switched to it with this company is that so far its not worth the hassle. With that said, I'll see your prediction and raise you:) TCP/IP will eventually be the only pipe for all communications. Once that happens, the cable co will utilize their billing model for television. It may not be bill by the bit but they will certainly charge a premium for advanced services. -RickG On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:20 PM, RickG wrote: Actually, yes, this is the first I've heard about it. Obviously, I'm not a sports fan :) I was initially surprised you hadn't heard of it before too because you're pretty active on list and it's been discussed numerous times and in detail over the past 15 months but maybe it was on another list (the WISPA members list?). Or, like the Form 477 discussions a few years ago that I personally skipped over for a long time, maybe it was just an ignored thread topic (given our propensity to not start new threads for new topics, that wouldn't be surprising). Most of us heard of it either due to customer complaints or because of the list discussion. For what it's worth, I honestly don't think the industry will ever move en-mass to a pay-by-the-bit model. True, it makes the most sense from an operator standpoint, but it's just too easy to get undercut by a competitor who doesn't do it, the big companies that would have to do it first for it to go mainstream invariably chicken out too quickly or mess it up by doing it in a high-handed fashion that pisses everyone off, or politicians will get involved to defeat the model. That's *my* prediction. Chuck I've never had a customer request. I've have mixed feelings about this. Coming from the cable world, I was used to paying providers for channel content. The difference was, we didnt have to pay for bandwidth. Now, everyone wants to ride the bandwidth that we pay for to get to our customer. Maybe big bad ESPN should pay us? .05/sub/month doesnt sound like much but it adds up real fast. Worse yet, you still pay even though not everyone wants or needs it. Oh, and just what we need, another paper to fill out. I've been predicting since '97 that we'll have to charge the billing model to charge by the bit and that day is getting closer each time things like this occur. -RickG BTW: I did dial-up back in '93 and never paid for a TCP/IP stack or the Browser :) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com wrote: I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
Thats what I figured out here. My proxied traffic going through my TW connection is fine, its just the customers on my public ip's that wont work. So, you're rerouting the ESPN360 traffic? Thats a good workaround! On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have a fiber link to ATT. All of our ESPN360 traffic goes across that fiber. It says provided by ATT but that's not a big deal to me if it saves me $500-1000/mth. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] here it come$ On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:20 PM, RickG wrote: Actually, yes, this is the first I've heard about it. Obviously, I'm not a sports fan :) I was initially surprised you hadn't heard of it before too because you're pretty active on list and it's been discussed numerous times and in detail over the past 15 months but maybe it was on another list (the WISPA members list?). Or, like the Form 477 discussions a few years ago that I personally skipped over for a long time, maybe it was just an ignored thread topic (given our propensity to not start new threads for new topics, that wouldn't be surprising). Most of us heard of it either due to customer complaints or because of the list discussion. For what it's worth, I honestly don't think the industry will ever move en-mass to a pay-by-the-bit model. True, it makes the most sense from an operator standpoint, but it's just too easy to get undercut by a competitor who doesn't do it, the big companies that would have to do it first for it to go mainstream invariably chicken out too quickly or mess it up by doing it in a high-handed fashion that pisses everyone off, or politicians will get involved to defeat the model. That's *my* prediction. Chuck I've never had a customer request. I've have mixed feelings about this. Coming from the cable world, I was used to paying providers for channel content. The difference was, we didnt have to pay for bandwidth. Now, everyone wants to ride the bandwidth that we pay for to get to our customer. Maybe big bad ESPN should pay us? .05/sub/month doesnt sound like much but it adds up real fast. Worse yet, you still pay even though not everyone wants or needs it. Oh, and just what we need, another paper to fill out. I've been predicting since '97 that we'll have to charge the billing model to charge by the bit and that day is getting closer each time things like this occur. -RickG BTW: I did dial-up back in '93 and never paid for a TCP/IP stack or the Browser :) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com wrote: I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
chuckle Well, for what it's worth I hope *you* are right and *I* am wrong ;-). Damn I hate betting against the outcome I _want_ to see! Chuck On Mar 13, 2010, at 11:37 AM, RickG wrote: Chuck, You're perceptive on the reasons I didnt hear of it, I probably just didnt pay attention as it didnt seem to apply or it just got lost in all the topics. As I've mentioned before, I did pay by the bit back in '98 when I was GM at a small cable co. I only imposed it on bandwidth hogs and it worked well. The reason I havent switched to it with this company is that so far its not worth the hassle. With that said, I'll see your prediction and raise you:) TCP/IP will eventually be the only pipe for all communications. Once that happens, the cable co will utilize their billing model for television. It may not be bill by the bit but they will certainly charge a premium for advanced services. -RickG On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:20 PM, RickG wrote: Actually, yes, this is the first I've heard about it. Obviously, I'm not a sports fan :) I was initially surprised you hadn't heard of it before too because you're pretty active on list and it's been discussed numerous times and in detail over the past 15 months but maybe it was on another list (the WISPA members list?). Or, like the Form 477 discussions a few years ago that I personally skipped over for a long time, maybe it was just an ignored thread topic (given our propensity to not start new threads for new topics, that wouldn't be surprising). Most of us heard of it either due to customer complaints or because of the list discussion. For what it's worth, I honestly don't think the industry will ever move en-mass to a pay-by-the-bit model. True, it makes the most sense from an operator standpoint, but it's just too easy to get undercut by a competitor who doesn't do it, the big companies that would have to do it first for it to go mainstream invariably chicken out too quickly or mess it up by doing it in a high-handed fashion that pisses everyone off, or politicians will get involved to defeat the model. That's *my* prediction. Chuck I've never had a customer request. I've have mixed feelings about this. Coming from the cable world, I was used to paying providers for channel content. The difference was, we didnt have to pay for bandwidth. Now, everyone wants to ride the bandwidth that we pay for to get to our customer. Maybe big bad ESPN should pay us? .05/sub/month doesnt sound like much but it adds up real fast. Worse yet, you still pay even though not everyone wants or needs it. Oh, and just what we need, another paper to fill out. I've been predicting since '97 that we'll have to charge the billing model to charge by the bit and that day is getting closer each time things like this occur. -RickG BTW: I did dial-up back in '93 and never paid for a TCP/IP stack or the Browser :) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com wrote: I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It has been around since 2007. How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few thousand subs. The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web browser to their customers. If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 contract for all WISPA members. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
That requirement was done several years ago to avoid military radars. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: If this radar operates at 5600-5650 why does the FCC now require the DFS on 5300mhz ??? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements Eric, That is a very responsible position to take. The database doesn't exist yet. Final definition and creation of it is being worked on right now by the Industry Group (Motorola, Cisco, Atheros, Intel, WISPA and others). WISPA and the FCC Committee will be helping with industry outreach and education so we will alert you (and as many other operators as possible) on-list when there are major developments and when the database is ready. Let me know which TDWR site you are near and I'll find out what frequency they are using so you can remain 30 MHz away from it. jack (Chair - WISPA FCC Committee) Eric Rogers wrote: Jack, Who do I contact to get on the list? I am like 5 miles from one of the TDWR radar sites. We are using Motorola 5.4 with 9.5 so it supposedly has more updated signatures. I would rather get on the list voluntarily than they find me. Eric From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz away from the single-frequency that the nearby TDWR uses. jack Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, So in those areas they want no 5.2 or 5.4 at all or only in the already blocked out part of the 5.4 band? Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements And here is a Google Earth file for the areas they want protected around these radar sites. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Doppler_Weather_Radar Attached is a map of TDWR locations in the United States. From what I read the radar has a range of 460 kilometers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:26 AM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements A thing to note... All these enforcement actions were taken because of interference with licensed users Lessons I get from them... 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band 2) Keep your EIRP down 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions. Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Protecting Radio Equiment from Coronal Mass Ejections
A CME will/should only affect objects larger than ~20 meters. It may not effect the equipment, and the tower should already be grounded. The only way to preotect the equipment diffrently, would be taking it off of the tower. On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:32 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Sorry for the Scifi thread but we know that this has happened in the past when we had very few birds in the air and were not as dependent on this equipment. Since we are now witnessing the Sun going into a Solar Maximum and some amazing filaments that NASA seems to be concerned about, I have a question about protecting radio equipment. I recently saw a video of a fellow protecting his vehicle by removing the battery and bolting both the +/- cables together grounding the vehicle. Is there a way to ground a tower and equipment attached to the tower this way? Of course a big faraday cage is what we would need...lol, but that is not too rational. Is there a way to create some sort of drop dead switch to protect the gear? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
LOL, good one. -- Original Message -- From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net Reply-To: spie...@avolve.net Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:50:30 -0500 Computer Inquiry Acts = CIA -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Reply-To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:34:12 -0600 EXACTLY! Good old Computer Inquires Acts! Wish they were still valid? and/or enforced...and had an FCC enforcement bureau to keep it true. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com Reply-To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:38:44 -0500 RANT Gee, now this (ESPN Live 360) won't make the Cable-Op internet providers have an unfair advantage over traditional ISPs! You have to imagine that the cable-op's are negotiating this internet service into their network programming agreements with EPSN, whereas if you are a non-cable-op you will have to pay outright and separate for the service and then pass along that fee to all of your subscribers or more likely... eat the cost. This is another case where a utility is able to abuse its monopoly power to the disadvantage of a non-utility ISP. The regulated and non-regulated portions of a company that engages in internet service need to be forced to conduct business as arms-length transactions. For instance... if MegaCableCompany operates as a Cable TV provider and operates as an internet provider, the Cable TV provider business unit is regulated and enjoys an advantage as a utility, whereas the Internet Provider Business Unit is unregulated and operates in an open market. The Cable TV unit is free to negotiate terms for TV programming from the various networks. The Internet Unit is free to negotiate terms of service for internet related valued-added-services. Whereas, the Cable TV unit should not be permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services. (i.e. ESPN Live 360). The CableTV unit as a utility providing TV service should have no interest in internet valued added services. However, in the alternative... if the Cable TV unit were permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services, it should be prepared to offer those services to the open market at the same rate that it charges its own Internet Service Business Unit!! Of course.. this argument may sound familiar to some of you... I've made this same argument time and time again for the unbundling of network elements within the TelCo monopolies. If you sell phone service as a utility, your associated unregulated ISP business unit should not enjoy preferential pricing with regards to internet transport or internet termination. /RANT Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Benchmark
Hi, I am not sure why you keep sending me these type of emails. Having worked with over 50 leasing companies during the last 10 years (over $2,000,000 worth)... I can honestly say Benchmark is the worst company we have ever dealt with. At the beginning of our current lease with you, you took money out of our checking account for insurance coverage, when you knew we had our own insurance coverage. We were never contacted (by email, phone or fax) to request any information, you simply removed the money from our account for your own policy. Now, recently, you removed $35.97 from our checking account without authorization. We do not allow ACH from our business checking account, and yet somehow you managed to take the money from our account. We left several voicemails on your main phone number, all with no response. I am sending a copy of this email to every person that I know in my industry, just to make sure none of them ever contact your company for any leasing services. I hope the $35.97 was worth your reputation in the Internet Services industry. Travis Microserv Marcus Davin wrote: /We appreciate your past business and if you have any upcoming equipment/software purchases, please give us a call / /to discuss your financing options./ / / /Direct lender since 1999 -- All 50 States/ / / / / / / benchmark Best Logo / / LEASE Certificate */ Pay to the order of: /**/$1,000.00/**/ /* Up to Five Hundred and 00/100 Dollars 65 Enterprise Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 *(949) 716-2101 Fax*** *(800 ) 680-3946* www.benchmarkfingrp.com /Marcus Davin/ / / Authorized by:// / / Expires: /This certificate may be used towards the first month's lease payment on any new Benchmark lease. Subject to credit approval. No cash value. For an immediate lease quote, please call 800-680-3946. / / / / / *Marcus Davin*** *Benchmark Financial Groups, LLC.*** 65 Enterprise Office: (949) 716-2100 Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 Toll Free: (800) 680-3946 Fax: (949) 716-2101 mda...@benchmarkfingrp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Benchmark
They stole $1000 of my money too. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
