Re: [WISPA] UBNT repeater
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: But I think that there is a version of openwrt or ddwrt for ubnt ns2? Any of the Atheros specific firmware images for OpenWRT or DD-WRT should load on the ns2. I think this is what you would need: http://downloads.openwrt.org/backfire/10.03-rc3/atheros/ openwrt-atheros-ubnt2-squashfs.bin 02-Apr-2010 16:02 2752920 I haven't tested it against the ns2 though, but it shouldn't hurt to try; you can always use the ubnt utility to flash it back to stock firmware. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: You mean like open mesh with picos? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT repeater I think the OpenWRT image will do that, but the stock firmware will not. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT repeater Yeah, not that either. I must have dreamt there was a way to use UBNT gear as a repeater/extender. Greg On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:23 PM, RickG wrote: Not looking good for this: http://ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24089highlight=repeater On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I remember (I think) reading on this forum about how to use a UBNT radio as a repeater (not WDS) by leaving the SSID blank and choosing Station mode. Can anyone tell me how to do that? I'm near an open network (no encryption) and I have permission to extend it. Can't do WDS, the existing AP doesn't support it. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1.c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Silver Lining Networks http://slwifi.com/ http://twitter.com/slwifi o: 888.334.6602 m: 415.720.2103 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Forbes, just be careful, here. ALL equipment exhibits some sort of goofiness when it hits its limit. If the processor can not handle the load, bad things happen. If it runs out of memory, it does goofy things. Whether it is an MT or Cisco, it will fail at some level of loading. The Ubiquiti will, too, at some point. I don't think your problem is MT, per se, It also is not bridging as many like to make it out. It looks to me that the problem is MT doesn't handle large amounts of data or high packet rates over bridged ports. While I don't have a direct answer for your question, I do have a long-term recommendation: Determine what the traffic load is now and what you anticipate it to be in 1, 3 and 5 years. Determine what you want the network topology to be in 1, 3, and 5 years. Do some research and find the equipment that will handle the load in the topology you want in 5 years. That is the gear to use. I understand your current feeling and I do not disagree with your approach. Just be aware that anything you do today without the planning is very likely to also be a throw-away purchase. Use it to get over the current hump, but expect to throw it away when you get to the configuration you want. On 10/14/2010 7:56 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load got to high things ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down just too much. On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I agree with Travis. Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router, Butch's template and forget about it. If you do have an issue (IMO it will be something a person did to the network if no one logs into it making changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list, etc. I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router. When I did, it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of the issues you describe. Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it has thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x 150Mbps on a daily basis, and has been up for over 6 months right now (due only to firmware upgrades). Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix that, or you will continue to have more and more problems... Travis Microserv On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the packet storms started, then radios started doing weird intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious, change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff). To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we could maybe ... (fix the disabled port/bridge) from either end. We are spending all of our time building redundant this and redundant that until we realized one thing, on every outage
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
You're leaving Mikrotik, but... All of my bandwidth management is done at the tower and is performed by Mikrotik. The non-customer facing routers don't do anything but route, though will eventually adopt Butch's QoS I'm sure. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/14/2010 5:15 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
I think it feels like you're walking into the wolves' den because everyone else has such excellent experiences with Mikrotik routing. I can assure you that it's not the load alone that's making Mikrotik flake out. I'm not going to pretend I know your network size or capacity requirements, but Travis runs a network with thousands of users and hundreds of megabits in use at any one time. Brad's network has just as much capacity if not more than Travis. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/14/2010 7:13 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Again not a true statement, $3000 for a visit by a network administrator to route us (already got the quote), $600 for a packeteer on eBay. Then we can route it ourselves because the network won't drop every day when a piece of crap router drops the ethernet port every time it sees traffic it doesn't like, who designs something like that anyway!? ZERO drops from UBNT gear and it's handling the exact same gear as the Mikrotik did, EXACT same packets. OK ok sorry I'm getting pissed now, going to walk away for the night... I just asked for alternatives, that's all. Didn't mean to walk into the MAC users group and say Windows was better. On 10/14/2010 5:01 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Sounds like you need to have someone come visit the network in person. There has to be a reasonable explination for what is going on your network, and i posit that no device you find is going to work right till that root cause is found. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load got to high things ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down just too much. On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I agree with Travis. Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router, Butch's template and forget about it. If you do have an issue (IMO it will be something a person did to the network if no one logs into it making changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list, etc. I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router. When I did, it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: Hi, You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of the issues you describe. Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it has thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x 150Mbps on a daily basis, and has been up for over 6 months right now (due only to firmware upgrades). Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix that, or you will continue to have more and more problems... Travis Microserv On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the packet storms started, then radios started doing weird intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious, change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff). To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we could
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
Seems like an overly pompous response to an overtly obvious statement. No site we'll do is transmit only or receive only. All will do 2 way communications, though Brian's suggestions would have transmit only and receive only radios. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/14/2010 7:16 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple. Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day. jack On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote: Fred, Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations that transmit. Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way transceivers. The only receive-only equipment is what goes with wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only. jack On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote: Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS Memorandum ReportOrder language. Below is the Ex parte Filing that was made today. Rick, when you guys said to remove the HAAT restriction for receive-only sites, did you really mean receive-only, or did you mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the tower? I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
At 10/15/2010 07:45 AM, MikeH wrote: I think it feels like you're walking into the wolves' den because everyone else has such excellent experiences with Mikrotik routing. I can assure you that it's not the load alone that's making Mikrotik flake out. I'm not going to pretend I know your network size or capacity requirements, but Travis runs a network with thousands of users and hundreds of megabits in use at any one time. Brad's network has just as much capacity if not more than Travis. Merely curious at this stage... WHICH model MikroTiks are misbehaving? If it is a CPU speed or memory issue, it could vary based on which generation or specific model of Routerboard is in use. I'm leery of LAN-style bridging. I don't know if it's the case in your network, but traditional LAN bridges let everyone hear everyone else's broadcasts. I much prefer Layer 2 switching. This isn't the same as routing, since it passes IP transparently, but it isolates users from one another and uses VLAN tags rather than MAC addresses. I have a hunch (and may be *all wet*; this is NOT based on actual knowledge, as I am not a coder and couldn't decipher a driver if you laid it out on a silver platter in front of me) that bridging, with MAC addresses, uses certain hardware features that are bypassed in switching, where it might do more in software. This would have been a bad idea 20 years ago when CPUs were slow and RAM was expensive... Maybe turning on VLAN tagging could help. Just guessing! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Well I really don't feel good saying TrafficXpress or whatever their latest incarnation is from Logisense, but see if that is something that you can use. -- Original Message -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:40:21 -0700 Ya know I'd be a lot more patient for the smart a$$ comments if I didn't have to live through this, I've hired the best guys on this list to solve it and the only answer I get in the end is that shouldn't happen. I can be non-geek enough to know if I can't hire the fix it ain't gonna work. All the loyalists to a certain brand be it Mikrotik or Mac users can either say 'if he can't make that work here's our suggestion' or come sit in my chair for a while and wait for the hundreds of calls when a piece of gear just drops for no reason. I've avoided Windows like the plague and run a 100% linux back end, every ISP I bought I converted to my format, you don't have to tell me horror stories I've been in this business since the beginning. I'm inferring to a more GUI type interface, hell it could be redhat for all I know, I'm looking for solutions not preferences. On 10/14/2010 4:27 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Splendid idea there guy, replace Mikrotik with a Windows box. Gotta wonder I'd the problem is between the keyboard and the chair here. On 10/14/10, Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
NETEQ or PFSense On 10/15/2010 10:34 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Well I really don't feel good saying TrafficXpress or whatever their latest incarnation is from Logisense, but see if that is something that you can use. -- Original Message -- From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:40:21 -0700 Ya know I'd be a lot more patient for the smart a$$ comments if I didn't have to live through this, I've hired the best guys on this list to solve it and the only answer I get in the end is that shouldn't happen. I can be non-geek enough to know if I can't hire the fix it ain't gonna work. All the loyalists to a certain brand be it Mikrotik or Mac users can either say 'if he can't make that work here's our suggestion' or come sit in my chair for a while and wait for the hundreds of calls when a piece of gear just drops for no reason. I've avoided Windows like the plague and run a 100% linux back end, every ISP I bought I converted to my format, you don't have to tell me horror stories I've been in this business since the beginning. I'm inferring to a more GUI type interface, hell it could be redhat for all I know, I'm looking for solutions not preferences. On 10/14/2010 4:27 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Splendid idea there guy, replace Mikrotik with a Windows box. Gotta wonder I'd the problem is between the keyboard and the chair here. On 10/14/10, Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system. Travis Microserv On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
Brian, I really like your idea for a full duplex system. Your example does not appear to have much foliage and has rather high density. I feel that TVWS should be used primarily for the low density with lots of foliage. High density areas like that could very easily be serviced with higher frequencies (5.2/5.8) Would you be willing to look at how effective this would be from a tower located at 39.184900 -120.963500? The tree height is on average 120ft. A mix of mostly Pine and some large Oak. By setting the land cover density to 500% in Radio Mobile, I am still not able to adequately reproduce the amount of path loss due to foliage when compared to most links I have deployed in 900mhz. Thanks, - Matt On 10/14/2010 06:16 PM, Brian Webster wrote: The request was made for the simple reason of being able to use the 40 mw devices in a split radio architecture. If anyone caught my posting about how far you can broadcast with 40 mw, it might make more sense. If you transmit on one end of a link using 40 mw radio you could use a high gain antenna on the other ends receiver to make up for the low power. Design a radio with a separate receiver from the transmitter and you can have a multipoint system that can operate in the first adjacent channels and still work for a WISP. The key concept is that your transmitter does not use the same antenna as your receiver keeping the power levels fully legal. The 40 mw devices in the first adjacent channels do not have any HAAT limits. They are referred to as mobile devices. There was a potential problem in the rules to make this work. There was one little statement that said any transmitter and/or receiver could not exceed the HAAT rules. It makes no sense for a receiver to have to abide by that since it cannot cause interference. The FCC apparently agreed. 40 mw transmit into a no gain antenna is legal, a 15 dbi receive antenna on the other end is legal to. Put one of each in all radio devices and we can operate in the first adjacent channels, PLUS you can transmit and receive on separate frequencies thus having 12 MHz to work with. We need to get out of the thought process of half duplex radios operating in a single channel using the same antenna. If you can use first adjacent channels you have a whole lot more capacity in each market than just the 4 watt EIRP non-adjacent channels. Split transmit and receive radios will also allow you to mix and match high and low power. Use high power for the downlink and have multiple remote receivers on the low power channels for the uplink. See the attached Google Earth file comparing the different channels and power levels (save it to your hard drive prior to opening in Google Earth). Remember these TV channels give you 15 to 20 db gain over current unlicensed bands due to the reduction in free space loss that fact in conjunction with a 15 dbi gain receive antenna gives you up to 35 db gain to a 40 mw signal over what one would expect say a 40 mw Wi-Fi radio to broadcast. The second issue they tried to address was the sites that exceed the 76 meter HAAT rules but would not exceed a total of 106 meters HAAT that you would in effect have if you build a 30 meter tower on such a site. They tried to get the erratum fixed to allow for any combination of site elevation and tower height so long as the total HAAT does not exceed the 106 meters. Fred do any of the sites you mention exceed the total HAAT of 106 meters? The FCC said that unless the broadcasters agree that the combination issues was not a big deal it would have to go out for public comment. The receiver issue was just a separate point that was talked about in the same meeting. Please take the time to re-read the FCC notice and use your RF expertise to think of how one can stay within the rules and design radio systems to take full advantage of the rules as they are written. I came up with these thoughts to hopefully get manufacturers to produce devices to take advantage of the new rules, not just repurpose existing unlicensed gear to operate on these new frequencies. That would be a total waste of this new frontier and very spectrum inefficient. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday At 10/14/2010 08:16 PM, you wrote: Fred, If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple. Making snarky insults doesn't answer the question. Quite frankly I have a pretty strong RF and regulatory background so it is not a good idea to treat me like a dunce. So I'll ask the question differently. Do I need to create a new petition or did you address the up-the-hill WISP subscriber issue? I am looking at potential subscriber locations above 75m HAAT. So I
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:36, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ I remember owning one of these, a long time ago. We had to pull it not because of any issues with the software, but because of (indirect) hardware problems. We used to not ground things as well as we do now. The system we had had a PCI four-port Ethernet card installed, and over time lightning rendered enough of the interfaces inoperable that we could no longer use the system for that. (At the time, nobody in my office knew very much about FreeBSD or NetBSD or whichever BSD it used, so replacing the card and simply changing the interfaces' MACs in software wasn't feasible.) From what I recall, the fact that you had a choice of both Web interfaces or scriptable CLI to set up a bunch of rules quickly was nice, and this was over eight years ago; I'm sure the product has improved greatly since then. (For the record, we now use Mikrotik for bandwidth shaping. Nothing against ETInc, as such, we've just moved on.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
Matt, What do you have your availability percentages set at in your network properties of Radio Mobile? For any tree class going above 180 or 200% tells me you have something set wrong in the RF tool somewhere else. The examples I posted are actually in fairly dense forested areas of upstate NY. The tree clutter was factored in to the model. Remember also that in these lower frequencies the tree loss factor drops considerably as the absorption rate gets lower in the lower frequencies. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Matt Jenkins [mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 12:49 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday Brian, I really like your idea for a full duplex system. Your example does not appear to have much foliage and has rather high density. I feel that TVWS should be used primarily for the low density with lots of foliage. High density areas like that could very easily be serviced with higher frequencies (5.2/5.8) Would you be willing to look at how effective this would be from a tower located at 39.184900 -120.963500? The tree height is on average 120ft. A mix of mostly Pine and some large Oak. By setting the land cover density to 500% in Radio Mobile, I am still not able to adequately reproduce the amount of path loss due to foliage when compared to most links I have deployed in 900mhz. Thanks, - Matt On 10/14/2010 06:16 PM, Brian Webster wrote: The request was made for the simple reason of being able to use the 40 mw devices in a split radio architecture. If anyone caught my posting about how far you can broadcast with 40 mw, it might make more sense. If you transmit on one end of a link using 40 mw radio you could use a high gain antenna on the other ends receiver to make up for the low power. Design a radio with a separate receiver from the transmitter and you can have a multipoint system that can operate in the first adjacent channels and still work for a WISP. The key concept is that your transmitter does not use the same antenna as your receiver keeping the power levels fully legal. The 40 mw devices in the first adjacent channels do not have any HAAT limits. They are referred to as mobile devices. There was a potential problem in the rules to make this work. There was one little statement that said any transmitter and/or receiver could not exceed the HAAT rules. It makes no sense for a receiver to have to abide by that since it cannot cause interference. The FCC apparently agreed. 40 mw transmit into a no gain antenna is legal, a 15 dbi receive antenna on the other end is legal to. Put one of each in all radio devices and we can operate in the first adjacent channels, PLUS you can transmit and receive on separate frequencies thus having 12 MHz to work with. We need to get out of the thought process of half duplex radios operating in a single channel using the same antenna. If you can use first adjacent channels you have a whole lot more capacity in each market than just the 4 watt EIRP non-adjacent channels. Split transmit and receive radios will also allow you to mix and match high and low power. Use high power for the downlink and have multiple remote receivers on the low power channels for the uplink. See the attached Google Earth file comparing the different channels and power levels (save it to your hard drive prior to opening in Google Earth). Remember these TV channels give you 15 to 20 db gain over current unlicensed bands due to the reduction in free space loss that fact in conjunction with a 15 dbi gain receive antenna gives you up to 35 db gain to a 40 mw signal over what one would expect say a 40 mw Wi-Fi radio to broadcast. The second issue they tried to address was the sites that exceed the 76 meter HAAT rules but would not exceed a total of 106 meters HAAT that you would in effect have if you build a 30 meter tower on such a site. They tried to get the erratum fixed to allow for any combination of site elevation and tower height so long as the total HAAT does not exceed the 106 meters. Fred do any of the sites you mention exceed the total HAAT of 106 meters? The FCC said that unless the broadcasters agree that the combination issues was not a big deal it would have to go out for public comment. The receiver issue was just a separate point that was talked about in the same meeting. Please take the time to re-read the FCC notice and use your RF expertise to think of how one can stay within the rules and design radio systems to take full advantage of the rules as they are written. I came up with these thoughts to hopefully get manufacturers to produce devices to take advantage of the new rules, not just repurpose existing unlicensed gear to operate on these new frequencies. That would be a total waste of this new frontier and very spectrum inefficient. Thank You, Brian
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
The response to my request has been overwhelming, this morning it was amazing, response after great response. Because of the strong insistence that Mikrotik is so great we are trying to make it work. Dennis helped a lot by setting up remote sys log using software we already have. We are setting up Network Monitoring, as we speak and we are already catching some culprits that have been causing a little havoc. With our upgrade to 100MB next week we wanted hardware that can handle it, this is a learning process and we're so happy to have had the help in better understanding networks. We won't overreact and just dump Mikrotik but now with the ability to maybe catch what's causing the problem we can rest a little easier knowing that when it happens, and it will, we can read the log file and hope it's something so simple we'll just kick ourselves, as Dennis said, we hope so. The offers for help included three members committing to fly up there this weekend if we need them, Wow what a great group of people here! Thanks to everyone for their help, it's the best of WISPA when everyone pitches in to help a WISP in trouble. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] saturate frequency
Yeah, that was my first thought. The only reason to do this is to cause problems for someone. Do NOT go that route Scott. It's always the second one in a fight that gets into the most trouble. Get a hold of a spectrum analyzer, document what's being done and then sue their tails off. The FCC, local law enforcement etc. will go after anyone being malicious with the spectrum. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] saturate frequency what comes around goes around. Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] saturate frequency This begs the question, Why? On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote: I know you can completely use spectrum by doing a bandwidth test or something else, but that takes two sides to the link. I only have one. Is it possible without a remote site you are linking to. This is using ubnt M5 line Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
I am in 100% agreement with Travis on this. We had the EXACT same experience. * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system. Travis Microserv On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
I can respect your frustration, Forbes. Some may remember a thread that I brought up Is RIP Stable because our network engineer swore up down that RIP was flaky between two sites and the upstream router was dropping all the routes to this site every few minutes etc etc etc yada yada yada blah blah blah. Knowing that it just didn't seem right, I told him that something is configured incorrectly and that's that. I made our manager sit down with him and watch him go over the RIP config line by line. Since Mikrotik doesn't allow you to put comments on each network or neighbor statement, had to look up each IP in our documentation. Was time-consuming, but he found HIS mistake. ;) My point is, keep working from your edge back and you'll find it. Persistence. Good luck. Mark - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager The response to my request has been overwhelming, this morning it was amazing, response after great response. Because of the strong insistence that Mikrotik is so great we are trying to make it work. Dennis helped a lot by setting up remote sys log using software we already have. We are setting up Network Monitoring, as we speak and we are already catching some culprits that have been causing a little havoc. With our upgrade to 100MB next week we wanted hardware that can handle it, this is a learning process and we're so happy to have had the help in better understanding networks. We won't overreact and just dump Mikrotik but now with the ability to maybe catch what's causing the problem we can rest a little easier knowing that when it happens, and it will, we can read the log file and hope it's something so simple we'll just kick ourselves, as Dennis said, we hope so. The offers for help included three members committing to fly up there this weekend if we need them, Wow what a great group of people here! Thanks to everyone for their help, it's the best of WISPA when everyone pitches in to help a WISP in trouble. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
Yeah, his attitude has cost him a LOT of business over the years. He and I had a number of long talks about that quite some time back and it seemed like he was getting better. How long has it been since you've worked with him? BTW, according to his site, a license for his software is only $500 right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system. Travis Microserv On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
I agree, when I first came to work for my current employer he had etinc bandwidth managers.. We ended up calling him the bandwidth nazi.. he was horrible to deal with and thought that everyone was stupid and treated you that way.. Ryan On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system. Travis Microserv On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
No Bandwidth Management for you.2 weeks! _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system. Travis Microserv On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3198 - Release Date: 10/15/10 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Speaking of cool amps
http://www.shireeninc.com/amplifiers-24-2watt-outdoor.html hehehehe marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Speaking of cool amps
At 10/15/2010 03:54 PM, MarlonS wrote: http://www.shireeninc.com/amplifiers-24-2watt-outdoor.html hehehehe Hey, watt's a 4-watt amp [pun intended] among friends? Oddly enough, I probably could use these legally, since they all hit amateur frequencies as well as ISM frequencies. They might be fun in a VHF contest. However, I *seriously* doubt that anyone uses them that way. ;-) This reminds me of the old CB amplifier business, which the FCC eventually cracked down upon. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Speaking of cool amps
They've been cracking down on our business too. And that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Hi powered systems cause a lot of trouble in nearly any case. I had to laugh at the earlier example turning out to be hyperlink amps! We hear that name so seldom anymore I thought they'd finally gone away. marlon - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speaking of cool amps At 10/15/2010 03:54 PM, MarlonS wrote: http://www.shireeninc.com/amplifiers-24-2watt-outdoor.html hehehehe Hey, watt's a 4-watt amp [pun intended] among friends? Oddly enough, I probably could use these legally, since they all hit amateur frequencies as well as ISM frequencies. They might be fun in a VHF contest. However, I *seriously* doubt that anyone uses them that way. ;-) This reminds me of the old CB amplifier business, which the FCC eventually cracked down upon. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Speaking of cool amps
Hi Fred, Nusrat of Shireeninc does a lot of business over-seas and for folks in the Marine industries .. I could be wrong, but you can get away with a heck of lot on an oil-rig or a tanker ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 10/15/2010 4:15 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 10/15/2010 03:54 PM, MarlonS wrote: http://www.shireeninc.com/amplifiers-24-2watt-outdoor.html hehehehe Hey, watt's a 4-watt amp [pun intended] among friends? Oddly enough, I probably could use these legally, since they all hit amateur frequencies as well as ISM frequencies. They might be fun in a VHF contest. However, I *seriously* doubt that anyone uses them that way. ;-) This reminds me of the old CB amplifier business, which the FCC eventually cracked down upon. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Speaking of cool amps
This reminds me of the old CB amplifier business, which the FCC eventually cracked down upon. You mean they tried cracking down upon. CB's are still land of the wild west. When is the last time you heard someone getting a penalty for an over-amp'ed CB? Reminds me of handgun laws cracking down upon the streets of Anytown, USA. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 10/15/2010 03:54 PM, MarlonS wrote: http://www.shireeninc.com/amplifiers-24-2watt-outdoor.html hehehehe Hey, watt's a 4-watt amp [pun intended] among friends? Oddly enough, I probably could use these legally, since they all hit amateur frequencies as well as ISM frequencies. They might be fun in a VHF contest. However, I *seriously* doubt that anyone uses them that way. ;-) This reminds me of the old CB amplifier business, which the FCC eventually cracked down upon. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
We had an ETINC box as well, I second what Travis says. Except it was actually worse than Travis describes. Avoid at all costs. - Dan On 10/15/2010 8:47 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system. Travis Microserv On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager
I cannot imagine how someone can charge what this guy does for a basic front end to pf in bsd. You could hire someone to write something for much less ... amazing vyatta does bandwidth shaping in their paid product - but in my humble opinion - it is lacking big time. pfsense does it - as well - much nicer On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Dan Ferguson wrote: We had an ETINC box as well, I second what Travis says. Except it was actually worse than Travis describes. Avoid at all costs. - Dan On 10/15/2010 8:47 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Run... run far far away... We ran an ETINC box for many years, until we couldn't take his support and attitude any longer... or his nazi licensing system. Travis Microserv On 10/15/2010 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dennis has been around for a very long time. http://www.etinc.com/ marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Speaking of cool amps
I used to live in Anytown. It sucked. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speaking of cool amps This reminds me of the old CB amplifier business, which the FCC eventually cracked down upon. You mean they tried cracking down upon. CB's are still land of the wild west. When is the last time you heard someone getting a penalty for an over-amp'ed CB? Reminds me of handgun laws cracking down upon the streets of Anytown, USA. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 10/15/2010 03:54 PM, MarlonS wrote: http://www.shireeninc.com/amplifiers-24-2watt-outdoor.html hehehehe Hey, watt's a 4-watt amp [pun intended] among friends? Oddly enough, I probably could use these legally, since they all hit amateur frequencies as well as ISM frequencies. They might be fun in a VHF contest. However, I *seriously* doubt that anyone uses them that way. ;-) This reminds me of the old CB amplifier business, which the FCC eventually cracked down upon. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
