Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

2011-05-02 Thread Sam Tetherow 
Those numbers hold steady while the MT bandwidth test is running?

Nick Olsen wrote:
> Signal is ~-55
> Airmax Quality=97%
> Airmax Capacity=94%
>
> Ubnt speedtest shows the same results from AP>SU.
> Just a little bit slower then MT bandwidth test over the same link to 
> the tower router.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (855) FLSPEED  x106
>
>
>
> 
> *From*: "Sam Tetherow" 
> *Sent*: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:41 PM
> *To*: n...@flhsi.com, "WISPA General List" 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue
>
> I know it should be roughly the same, but what does testing the 
> powerbridge to the rocket show using ubiquiti's internal speed test, 
> and what does the quality and capacity numbers look like while running 
> the bandwidth from the customer side to the various towers?
>
> On 5/2/11 4:20 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>> Have a strange issue that is showing up in a few places. Was 
>> wondering what peoples thoughts are on this
>>
>> Here is how things are setup.
>> Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.
>>
>> Route to the customer is (Tower A>Tower B>Tower C>Tower D>Customer)
>> Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
>> issue.
>> Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 
>> 200+Mb/s Full Duplex.
>> Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 
>> 200+Mb/s Full Duplex.
>> Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do 
>> about 80Mb/s.
>> Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU 
>> is a Power Bridge.
>>
>> Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test 
>> to get these results.
>> Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out 
>> whatever backhaul I'm testing.
>> IE. Tower A>Tower B will do ~250Mb/s
>> B>C ~250Mb/s
>> C>D ~80Mb/s
>> Then Testing End to End Tower A>Tower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the 
>> weakest link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)
>>
>> Now, The Strange Part.
>> Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
>> Testing from Customer>Tower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
>> Testing from Customer>Tower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
>> Testing from Customer>Tower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
>> Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 
>> 30Mb/s Up.
>>
>> I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow 
>> speeds. I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free 
>> bandwidth on every Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower 
>> shows great speeds. We have the same problem in a few places. And in 
>> each case, We see a drop in speed as soon as it hits one of the 
>> licenced Backhauls. However, Each one of these backhauls regularly 
>> carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to over 200Mb/s each time.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> Nick Olsen
>> Network Operations
>> (855) FLSPEED  x106
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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

2011-05-02 Thread Louis Arsenault 
Is this all routed or bridged?

If routed are there multiple paths back to tower B.

Are you doing any Queues that might be limiting bandwidth for the customers
IP?

-Louis

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Nick Olsen  wrote:

> Signal is ~-55
> Airmax Quality=97%
> Airmax Capacity=94%
>
> Ubnt speedtest shows the same results from AP>SU.
> Just a little bit slower then MT bandwidth test over the same link to the
> tower router.
>
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (855) FLSPEED  x106
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Sam Tetherow" 
> *Sent*: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:41 PM
>
> *To*: n...@flhsi.com, "WISPA General List" 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue
>
>
> I know it should be roughly the same, but what does testing the powerbridge
> to the rocket show using ubiquiti's internal speed test, and what does the
> quality and capacity numbers look like while running the bandwidth from the
> customer side to the various towers?
>
> On 5/2/11 4:20 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>
> Have a strange issue that is showing up in a few places. Was wondering what
> peoples thoughts are on this
>
> Here is how things are setup.
> Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.
>
> Route to the customer is (Tower A>Tower B>Tower C>Tower D>Customer)
> Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this issue.
> Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full
> Duplex.
> Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full
> Duplex.
> Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about
> 80Mb/s.
> Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a
> Power Bridge.
>
> Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to get
> these results.
> Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever
> backhaul I'm testing.
> IE. Tower A>Tower B will do ~250Mb/s
> B>C ~250Mb/s
> C>D ~80Mb/s
> Then Testing End to End Tower A>Tower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest
> link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)
>
> Now, The Strange Part.
> Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
> Testing from Customer>Tower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
> Testing from Customer>Tower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
> Testing from Customer>Tower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
> Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 30Mb/s
> Up.
>
> I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow speeds.
> I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth on every
> Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great speeds. We have
> the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We see a drop in speed
> as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls. However, Each one of these
> backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to over
> 200Mb/s each time.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

2011-05-02 Thread Nick Olsen 
Signal is ~-55
Airmax Quality=97%
Airmax Capacity=94%

Ubnt speedtest shows the same results from AP>SU.
Just a little bit slower then MT bandwidth test over the same link to the 
tower router.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: "Sam Tetherow" 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:41 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

I know it should be roughly the same, but what does testing the powerbridge 
to the rocket show using ubiquiti's internal speed test, and what does the 
quality and capacity numbers look like while running the bandwidth from the 
customer side to the various towers?

On 5/2/11 4:20 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Have a strange issue that is showing 
up in a few places. Was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this

Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower A>Tower B>Tower C>Tower D>Customer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about 
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a 
Power Bridge.

Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to get 
these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever 
backhaul I'm testing.
IE. Tower A>Tower B will do ~250Mb/s
B>C ~250Mb/s
C>D ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower A>Tower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest 
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from Customer>Tower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from Customer>Tower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from Customer>Tower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 30Mb/s 
Up.

I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow speeds. 
I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth on every 
Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great speeds. We 
have the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We see a drop in 
speed as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls. However, Each one 
of these backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to 
over 200Mb/s each time.

Anyone have any ideas?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106

  

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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

2011-05-02 Thread Nick Olsen 
The Licenced Backhauls are Trango Apex 11ghz.
tower C and D connect via a Radwin 5ghz backhaul.

Default bandwidth test settings. so 20 sessions, And thats TCP bandwidth.

Nick Olsen
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 From: "Gino Villarini" 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:27 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange Issue

  What backhauls? How many sessions on the BW test? TCP or UDP?   Gino A. 
Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143  
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Strange IssueHave a strange issue that is showing up 
in a few places. Was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this

Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower A>Tower B>Tower C>Tower D>Customer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about 
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a 
Power Bridge.

Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to get 
these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever 
backhaul I'm testing.
IE. Tower A>Tower B will do ~250Mb/s
B>C ~250Mb/s
C>D ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower A>Tower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest 
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from Customer>Tower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from Customer>Tower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from Customer>Tower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 30Mb/s 
Up.

I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow speeds. 
I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth on every 
Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great speeds. We 
have the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We see a drop in 
speed as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls. However, Each one 
of these backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to 
over 200Mb/s each time.

Anyone have any ideas?  Nick Olsen
Network Operations   (855) FLSPEED  x106

   



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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 50-100Mbps link in Stockton

2011-05-02 Thread Mike Hammett 


  
  
I assumed Stockton, CA since that is near his coverage area.

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On 5/2/2011 7:31 PM, Scott Piehn wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  Maybe I missed it, but which
  state.  If illinois, I can do
  

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From: Jerry Richardson

To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General List 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011
  1:08 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Looking
  for 50-100Mbps link in Stockton



  50-100 Mbps for DS3 backup near Holman
and E Hammer Lane. Looking to resell the circuit.
   
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 50-100Mbps link in Stockton

2011-05-02 Thread Scott Piehn 
Maybe I missed it, but which state.  If illinois, I can do


Scott Piehn
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  From: Jerry Richardson 
  To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:08 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 50-100Mbps link in Stockton


  50-100 Mbps for DS3 backup near Holman and E Hammer Lane. Looking to resell 
the circuit.

   

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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Mark Nash 

To follow through some thinking here...

If that device was "Billing-Server-Package-Aware" then you could offer a 
higher level of service for HD customers that allowed the Netflix 
service to sense a "higher-bandwidth" connection and it may be more 
likely to stream in HD than SD.  I say "offer"...the flip side of 
"offer" is "charge for", at a higher rate, of course.


There are always those who "gotta have it"...

On 5/2/2011 3:50 PM, David E. Smith wrote:


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 17:32, Marco Coelho > wrote:


Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10
Mb total transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate?


I tried something like that a while back - we got so very many angry 
phone calls that the boss had us discontinue it in less than a week. 
We actually didn't try to limit by video type, just "any single 
ongoing TCP transaction," but in practice it only affected audio and 
video streaming, Microsoft Update, and MMO patches.


I'm sure someone out there would be glad to sell you a content-aware 
filtering device for many thousands of dollars, if you're so inclined.


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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread David E. Smith 
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 17:32, Marco Coelho  wrote:

> Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10 Mb total
> transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate?
>

I tried something like that a while back - we got so very many angry phone
calls that the boss had us discontinue it in less than a week. We actually
didn't try to limit by video type, just "any single ongoing TCP
transaction," but in practice it only affected audio and video streaming,
Microsoft Update, and MMO patches.

I'm sure someone out there would be glad to sell you a content-aware
filtering device for many thousands of dollars, if you're so inclined.

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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Marco Coelho 
Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10 Mb total
transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate?
This would allow for your average utube streaming of a small video, but kill
anything larger like netflix, hulu, etc.

IP Tables and a dynamic script should be able to do this.


Marco



On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> Robert
> up/down/aggregate
> 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
>
> The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down.
>
> I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if
> anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I
> would greatly appreciate it.
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Mark Nash 
This is even more of a difficult equation, because as ISPs, WE typically 
are not billed by the GB from OUR upstream providers.  We are billed, 
generally-speaking, by one of two mechanisms:

1. Pipe speed... You pay for 50mbps and that's what you get.  It doesn't 
matter if you only use 20, and if you hit 50 then the network bogs down. 
But a FIXED bandwidth cost, no danger of going over.

2. High water mark...Commit amount and burst over...usually billed at 
95th percentile... In this case you can go at whatever speeds your 
transports and upstream will allow, and you are billed based on a high 
water mark for usage.  In this case, there is a danger that you will be 
billed more by YOUR ISP but your network won't be congested at the 
upstream point.  Here, from purely an upstream bandwidth cost 
perspective, it ONLY matters what people are doing at PEAK times.

Our upstream agreement is a #2. (I know that makes a pun but we'll just 
flush that one right now)...  The mechanism we have in place only deals 
with total monthly GB transferred, not peak time usage, so by placing in 
a monthly total GB limitation, we are not being very accurate to cost, 
but we ARE trying to have our customer be aware that they are bandwidth 
hogs and they need to pay or change or leave.  It's at least a step in 
the right direction.



On 5/2/2011 2:59 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
> Haven't run the numbers, but it doesn't look like this number is taking
> into consideration staff cost, other overhead such administrative cost,
> insurance, non-wireless gear and most importantly a reasonable profit
> margin.
>
> Looking at it from the other direction,  I currently spend about 20% of
> opex on bandwidth.  Granted an user increasing bandwidth doesn't cost me
> more in administrative (once we account for UBB), insurance and other
> non-transport costs, but you do have to remember there is a significant
> cost to running the network outside of gear and bandwidth so if you
> figure out the cost per GB to deliver to the customer and all of a
> sudden the majority start nearing their cap consistently it will be
> eating into your paycheck.
>
> On 5/2/11 4:48 PM, Matt wrote:
 What is cost per megabit from your upstream?
>> Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost
>> per gigabit at the NOC.  If your paying $20 per megabit you would be
>> at 0.17$ per GByte.
>>
>> Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible.  I am
>> considering:
>>
>> Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site.
>> Divided by 24 months.  Add any rental.  Divided by your total max
>> available bandwidth.  Divided by 2.  Gives cost Mbps.
>>
>> A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM.  Total max available
>> bandwidth would be 60Mbps.  Guessing prices.  Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps.
>> Price per GByte is 0.18$  I think that's too low but I did not
>> figure/guess any BH gear cost.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Sam Tetherow 
Haven't run the numbers, but it doesn't look like this number is taking 
into consideration staff cost, other overhead such administrative cost, 
insurance, non-wireless gear and most importantly a reasonable profit 
margin.

Looking at it from the other direction,  I currently spend about 20% of 
opex on bandwidth.  Granted an user increasing bandwidth doesn't cost me 
more in administrative (once we account for UBB), insurance and other 
non-transport costs, but you do have to remember there is a significant 
cost to running the network outside of gear and bandwidth so if you 
figure out the cost per GB to deliver to the customer and all of a 
sudden the majority start nearing their cap consistently it will be 
eating into your paycheck.

On 5/2/11 4:48 PM, Matt wrote:
>>> What is cost per megabit from your upstream?
> Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost
> per gigabit at the NOC.  If your paying $20 per megabit you would be
> at 0.17$ per GByte.
>
> Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible.  I am
> considering:
>
> Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site.
> Divided by 24 months.  Add any rental.  Divided by your total max
> available bandwidth.  Divided by 2.  Gives cost Mbps.
>
> A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM.  Total max available
> bandwidth would be 60Mbps.  Guessing prices.  Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps.
> Price per GByte is 0.18$  I think that's too low but I did not
> figure/guess any BH gear cost.
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Matt 
>>What is cost per megabit from your upstream?

Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost
per gigabit at the NOC.  If your paying $20 per megabit you would be
at 0.17$ per GByte.

Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible.  I am
considering:

Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site.
Divided by 24 months.  Add any rental.  Divided by your total max
available bandwidth.  Divided by 2.  Gives cost Mbps.

A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM.  Total max available
bandwidth would be 60Mbps.  Guessing prices.  Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps.
Price per GByte is 0.18$  I think that's too low but I did not
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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

2011-05-02 Thread Sam Tetherow 
I know it should be roughly the same, but what does testing the 
powerbridge to the rocket show using ubiquiti's internal speed test, and 
what does the quality and capacity numbers look like while running the 
bandwidth from the customer side to the various towers?


On 5/2/11 4:20 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
Have a strange issue that is showing up in a few places. Was wondering 
what peoples thoughts are on this


Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower A>Tower B>Tower C>Tower D>Customer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s 
Full Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s 
Full Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about 
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is 
a Power Bridge.


Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to 
get these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out 
whatever backhaul I'm testing.

IE. Tower A>Tower B will do ~250Mb/s
B>C ~250Mb/s
C>D ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower A>Tower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest 
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)


Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from Customer>Tower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from Customer>Tower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from Customer>Tower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 
30Mb/s Up.


I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow 
speeds. I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free 
bandwidth on every Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower 
shows great speeds. We have the same problem in a few places. And in 
each case, We see a drop in speed as soon as it hits one of the 
licenced Backhauls. However, Each one of these backhauls regularly 
carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to over 200Mb/s each time.


Anyone have any ideas?

Nick Olsen
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Re: [WISPA] Strange Issue

2011-05-02 Thread Gino Villarini 
What backhauls? How many sessions on the BW test? TCP or UDP?

 

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Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Strange Issue

 

Have a strange issue that is showing up in a few places. Was wondering
what peoples thoughts are on this

Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower A>Tower B>Tower C>Tower D>Customer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s
Full Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s
Full Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a
Power Bridge.

Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to
get these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever
backhaul I'm testing.
IE. Tower A>Tower B will do ~250Mb/s
B>C ~250Mb/s
C>D ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower A>Tower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from Customer>Tower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from Customer>Tower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from Customer>Tower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And
30Mb/s Up.

I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow
speeds. I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth
on every Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great
speeds. We have the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We
see a drop in speed as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls.
However, Each one of these backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and
have been tested to over 200Mb/s each time.

Anyone have any ideas?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  




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[WISPA] Strange Issue

2011-05-02 Thread Nick Olsen 
Have a strange issue that is showing up in a few places. Was wondering what 
peoples thoughts are on this

Here is how things are setup.
Every tower has a Mikrotik router on it. And is OSPF Routed.

Route to the customer is (Tower A>Tower B>Tower C>Tower D>Customer)
Tower A is where we have fiber, And our colo for the purpose of this 
issue.
Tower A and Tower B connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower B and Tower C connect via Licenced Backhaul and will do 200+Mb/s Full 
Duplex.
Tower C and Tower D connect via un-licenced Backhaul and will do about 
80Mb/s.
Customer Connects to Tower D. AP is a 5ghz Rocket with a sector. SU is a 
Power Bridge.

Now, Here is the bandwidth tests. Using the Mikrotik Bandwidth test to get 
these results.
Testing over each Backhaul from each tower will always max out whatever 
backhaul I'm testing.
IE. Tower A>Tower B will do ~250Mb/s
B>C ~250Mb/s
C>D ~80Mb/s
Then Testing End to End Tower A>Tower D ~80Mb/s (Maxes out the weakest 
link, The BH between C and D. This is expected)

Now, The Strange Part.
Testing from the customers Mikrotik Router on site.
Testing from Customer>Tower D I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up.
Testing from Customer>Tower C I get about 45Mb/s Down, And 30Mb/s Up
Testing from Customer>Tower B I get about 15Mb/s Down and 30Mb/s up.
Testing End to End Customer to Tower A I get about 15Mb/s Down And 30Mb/s 
Up.

I don't get what is causing the customer location to show such slow speeds. 
I've tested multiple times, And Confirmed tons of free bandwidth on every 
Backhaul in the path. And testing Tower to Tower shows great speeds. We 
have the same problem in a few places. And in each case, We see a drop in 
speed as soon as it hits one of the licenced Backhauls. However, Each one 
of these backhauls regularly carries over 100Mb/s and have been tested to 
over 200Mb/s each time.

Anyone have any ideas?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106

 



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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 50-100Mbps link in Stockton

2011-05-02 Thread Mike Hammett 


  
  
Check with 360 Networks and Sunesys.  They both have a presence in
Stockton, but I am not sure of their capabilities there.  If those
don't work, let me know and I'll peruse my contacts for additional
ones.


Peter Di Giacomo
Sunesys
630-613-7253 
pdigiac...@sunesys.com

Craig Fidler 
360Networks - SE 
Phone: 503-309-6071 
Email: craig.fid...@360.net 
4500 NW 9th Circle 
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On 5/2/2011 1:08 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
50-100 Mbps for DS3 backup near Holman and
  E Hammer Lane. Looking to resell the circuit.
 
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Ligo and UBNT link calculator

2011-05-02 Thread Josh Luthman 
Same here, Ligo failed.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

>  Ligo, yes.
>
>
> On 05/02/2011 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>
>  Anyone else having problems with Ligo linkcalc not loading terrain data
> and UBNT Google Earth plugin?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> *Jerry Richardson *
>
> 925-260-4119 x2
>
> www.aircloud.com
>
> [image: aircloud_WebSml_color_white_back] 
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Josh Luthman 
Chuck - Right or wrong is arguable, but if you don't have the spectrum then
I would do the same thing you are.  I would argue it is right - you're
offering equal service to people for important things (Facebook
[communicating with family]) instead of letting moochers (Netflix) have the
runway.

Mark - Once again, thank you very much for your information, as I find it
very valuable.  I do agree that's the way it will be.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

>  I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of
> the impact they have on "shared" bandwidth) choose one of these...
>
> 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for
> more & costs more), or
> 2. change their behavior to not use so much
> 3. leave
>
> I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday to most
> customers...
>
>
> On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
> continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose if the
>> customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one
>> thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something.
>>
>> Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable
>> companies, for example.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>   On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>>
 > Robert
 > up/down/aggregate
 > 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
 >
 > The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits
 down.
 >
 > I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but
 if
 > anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using
 I
 > would greatly appreciate it.

  What is cost per megabit from your upstream?



 
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Mark Nash 
I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of 
the impact they have on "shared" bandwidth) choose one of these...


1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows 
for more & costs more), or

2. change their behavior to not use so much
3. leave

I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday to most 
customers...


On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to 
continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet.


Regards,

Chuck


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose
if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
capitalize on something.

Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
cable companies, for example.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

Regards,

Chuck



On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt mailto:lm7...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Robert
> up/down/aggregate
> 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
>
> The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for
4 megabits down.
>
> I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
previous email, but if
> anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
you are using I
> would greatly appreciate it.

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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Chuck Hogg 
Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet.

Regards,

Chuck


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose if the
> customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one
> thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something.
>
> Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable
> companies, for example.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> > Robert
>>> > up/down/aggregate
>>> > 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
>>> >
>>> > The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits
>>> down.
>>> >
>>> > I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but
>>> if
>>> > anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using
>>> I
>>> > would greatly appreciate it.
>>>
>>> What is cost per megabit from your upstream?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Josh Luthman 
Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose if the
customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one
thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something.

Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable
companies, for example.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> > Robert
>> > up/down/aggregate
>> > 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
>> >
>> > The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits
>> down.
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Chuck Hogg 
25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.

Regards,

Chuck


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt  wrote:

> > Robert
> > up/down/aggregate
> > 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
> >
> > The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down.
> >
> > I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if
> > anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I
> > would greatly appreciate it.
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Matt 
> Robert
> up/down/aggregate
> 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
>
> The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down.
>
> I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if
> anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I
> would greatly appreciate it.

What is cost per megabit from your upstream?



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[WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-02 Thread Josh Luthman 
Robert
up/down/aggregate
103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB

The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down.

I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if
anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I
would greatly appreciate it.

Josh Luthman
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Re: [WISPA] What to do about storm damaged SMs?

2011-05-02 Thread Andy Trimmell 
We also have the customer claim it on their home owners if they don't
pay us for our CPE insurance. Home owners will cover it under their
damage claim. Just as if the house fell on a car they were renting or
borrowing for the weekend when the tornado came. It's not theirs but
insurance would also cover that.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 2:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] What to do about storm damaged SMs?

Two answer:
My carrier has told me a tornado is a single event and all the gear 
damaged in a single event is covered by a single claim.
I have had 2 customers suffer significant storm damage and both have 
submitted our gear and it has been covered.

On 5/1/2011 10:37 AM, John McDowell wrote:
> We've sent out a mass email telling customers to call who were damaged
by the Tornados. Does anyone know of anything we can do with Insurance
for all these SMs we've lost? We'll probably have at least a hundred or
more lost or damaged.
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> We do the "$4.99 lease" on our radios. Can this be covered in their
homeowners? If anyone has dealt with this I could use help in salvaging
some of our losses here with Insurance, etc.
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