Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
But a Ubiuiti radio could do that for 500. A ptp230 or 250 could get close. Mikrotik could do that for probably 500. Double up on hardware and you're still way under budget. On Jul 28, 2011 1:25 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for almost two years on a three mile link. It has been an outstanding piece of equipment in the time that we have had it. A few months ago, after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db of fade margin. We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages lasted more than five minutes. I do wish that there was an option for a bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy. The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection that cost $500/month. We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for itself in 16 months. I think that is pretty useful! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps radio in 24 Ghz. Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, too. Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate more bandwidth? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's why I said I am told.. Don't want to put my foot in my mouth... :-) On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this radio is for Licensed 24 ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more things... Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-) And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane for data...Not two. -B- On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do with them? On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nice! Price? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B- On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps. Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same or cheaper. I believe its 2 year warranty also. -B- On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote: Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's pretty good, in my book On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote: This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed, just tell me to check the archives ... Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference issues on our Alvarion Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the cumbersome process
Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
I think Matt's advantage is the licensed freq. There is something to be said for putting it up and forgetting it. With unlicensed BH you are always going to be fighting the interference monster. I guess it depends on your budget and time. Cameron On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: But a Ubiuiti radio could do that for 500. A ptp230 or 250 could get close. Mikrotik could do that for probably 500. Double up on hardware and you're still way under budget. On Jul 28, 2011 1:25 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for almost two years on a three mile link. It has been an outstanding piece of equipment in the time that we have had it. A few months ago, after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db of fade margin. We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages lasted more than five minutes. I do wish that there was an option for a bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy. The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection that cost $500/month. We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for itself in 16 months. I think that is pretty useful! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps radio in 24 Ghz. Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, too. Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate more bandwidth? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's why I said I am told.. Don't want to put my foot in my mouth... :-) On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this radio is for Licensed 24 ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more things... Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-) And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane for data...Not two. -B- On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do with them? On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nice! Price? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B- On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps. Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same or cheaper. I believe its 2 year warranty also. -B- On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote: Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's pretty good, in my book On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote: This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed, just tell me to check the archives ... Becoming
Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
What antena size you have? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.commailto:li...@manageisp.com wrote: I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for almost two years on a three mile link. It has been an outstanding piece of equipment in the time that we have had it.A few months ago, after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db of fade margin.We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages lasted more than five minutes. I do wish that there was an option for a bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy. The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection that cost $500/month. We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for itself in 16 months. I think that is pretty useful! Matt Larsen vistabeam.comhttp://vistabeam.com On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps radio in 24 Ghz. Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, too. Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate more bandwidth? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel mailto:lakel...@gbcx.netlakel...@gbcx.netmailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's why I said I am told.. Don't want to put my foot in my mouth... :-) On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That’s weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol… I think this radio is for Licensed 24 ? Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.comg...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM To: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more things... Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-) And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane for data...Not two. -B- On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do with them? On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.comg...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nice! Price? Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B- On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No? Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM To: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps. Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same or cheaper. I believe its 2 year warranty also. -B- On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote: Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's pretty good, in my book On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote: This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed, just tell me to check the archives ... Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference issues on our Alvarion Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz
Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
2' dishes Matt Larsen Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 13:10:27 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address... all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks... How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
VRRP J --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:36 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List(wireless@wispa.org) Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address... all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks... How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
Pretty when I used VRRP it was a /30, could be wrong. Used 2.8 RouterOS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: VRRP J ** ** *--- **Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer** **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net *LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/* ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:36 PM *To:* motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List(wireless@wispa.org) *Subject:* [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address ** ** Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address… all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks… How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? ** ** Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
Hi Gino, It can be done. It isn't well-documented, however. On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then put the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp subinterface. For example: rtr-1 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = master 24.5.20.17/30 - 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1 24.5.21.1/30 - 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2 etc rtr-2 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate vrrp master/backup only. While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and the /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are active only on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface. The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is not active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing anything. If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2 becomes active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface. You do need to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces. I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented way of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1 interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting unnecessarily complicated. In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1 interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for management/vrrp traffic. Hope this helps, Dave From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address. all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks. How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
It's been a while since I have done anything with VRRP... Is the issue that you don't have a 3rd IP for the real interface on the second router? If so add a private network (/29 or better) so you can assign 3 IPs and then use that for the VRRP IPs. Use a script to handle switching the actual /30 IPs when vrrp1 goes down. On 7/28/11 2:36 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address... all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks... How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
A much better explanation of what I was getting at... On 7/28/11 2:58 PM, David Sovereen wrote: Hi Gino, It can be done. It isn't well-documented, however. On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then put the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp subinterface. For example: rtr-1 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = master 24.5.20.17/30 - 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1 24.5.21.1/30 - 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2 etc rtr-2 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate vrrp master/backup only. While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and the /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are active only on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface. The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is not active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing anything. If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2 becomes active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface. You do need to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces. I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented way of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1 interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting unnecessarily complicated. In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1 interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for management/vrrp traffic. Hope this helps, Dave *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM *To:* motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) *Subject:* [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address... all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks... How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
Vrrp requires 3 ips... on the Provider Side Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Pretty when I used VRRP it was a /30, could be wrong. Used 2.8 RouterOS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netmailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: VRRP :) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Traininghttp://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOShttp://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:36 PM To: motor...@afmug.commailto:motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List(wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org) Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address... all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks... How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
+1 The IP addresses used for VRRP don't have to be the ones involved in routing (i.e. the highly available one(s)). We've used the same config you outline. Thanks for taking the time to describe it. -Kristian On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:58 -0400, David Sovereen wrote: Hi Gino, It can be done. It isn't well-documented, however. On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then put the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp subinterface. For example: rtr-1 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = master 24.5.20.17/30 - 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1 24.5.21.1/30 - 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2 etc rtr-2 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate vrrp master/backup only. While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and the /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are active only on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface. The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is not active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing anything. If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2 becomes active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface. You do need to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces. I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented way of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1 interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting unnecessarily complicated. In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1 interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for management/vrrp traffic. Hope this helps, Dave From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address… all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks… How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
You can just use bs private IPs right? On Jul 28, 2011 6:43 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: +1 The IP addresses used for VRRP don't have to be the ones involved in routing (i.e. the highly available one(s)). We've used the same config you outline. Thanks for taking the time to describe it. -Kristian On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:58 -0400, David Sovereen wrote: Hi Gino, It can be done. It isn't well-documented, however. On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then put the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp subinterface. For example: rtr-1 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = master 24.5.20.17/30 - 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1 24.5.21.1/30 - 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2 etc rtr-2 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate vrrp master/backup only. While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and the /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are active only on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface. The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is not active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing anything. If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2 becomes active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface. You do need to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces. I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented way of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1 interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting unnecessarily complicated. In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1 interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for management/vrrp traffic. Hope this helps, Dave From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address… all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks… How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
Yes. Say you want redundancy between two routers connecting to a single upstream that provides you a single /30. You connect all three to the same switch/VLAN, assign private addresses for VRRP to the provider-facing interfaces, and assign your single public /30 address to the VRRP interface. If the primary router fails, the backup router's VRRP interface will become active, as will the address, and traffic will commence to the backup router. On your network facing side, you'll need to have OSPF or something else setup to advertise a default route (or whatever is appropriate), but using the distribute-default=if-installed-as-... option, lest the backup/inactive router advertise the default route as well. -Kristian On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 18:54 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: You can just use bs private IPs right? On Jul 28, 2011 6:43 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: +1 The IP addresses used for VRRP don't have to be the ones involved in routing (i.e. the highly available one(s)). We've used the same config you outline. Thanks for taking the time to describe it. -Kristian On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:58 -0400, David Sovereen wrote: Hi Gino, It can be done. It isn't well-documented, however. On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then put the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp subinterface. For example: rtr-1 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = master 24.5.20.17/30 - 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1 24.5.21.1/30 - 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2 etc rtr-2 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate vrrp master/backup only. While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and the /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are active only on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface. The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is not active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing anything. If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2 becomes active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface. You do need to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces. I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented way of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1 interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting unnecessarily complicated. In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1 interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for management/vrrp traffic. Hope this helps, Dave From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address… all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks… How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
Thanks all! What if the ip addresses are configured on vlans? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 6:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address +1 The IP addresses used for VRRP don't have to be the ones involved in routing (i.e. the highly available one(s)). We've used the same config you outline. Thanks for taking the time to describe it. -Kristian On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:58 -0400, David Sovereen wrote: Hi Gino, It can be done. It isn't well-documented, however. On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then put the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp subinterface. For example: rtr-1 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = master 24.5.20.17/30 - 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1 24.5.21.1/30 - 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2 etc rtr-2 ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp only) vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate vrrp master/backup only. While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and the /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are active only on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface. The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is not active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing anything. If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2 becomes active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface. You do need to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces. I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented way of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1 interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting unnecessarily complicated. In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1 interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for management/vrrp traffic. Hope this helps, Dave From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address… all methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks… How could I have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our customers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
