Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Mike Hammett]

I have a client that is eligible for 4.9 GHz (already have the license), but 
the cost\benefit ratio goes to licensed gear over 4.9 GHz. The price isn't much 
different, but hte throughput is vastly different and you get real protection.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

Hi Patrick,

Let me also chime in

Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good 
product, it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all.
Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day 
today, since I read your Alvarion Promo / Post.

Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT 
Airmax Products.
4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who 
are doing consulting work for Local / City Gov.
May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 
5.x gear is cheaper.

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. 
> Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right 
> and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things 
> from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's 
> what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general.
>
> Patrick Leary
> m: 727.501.3735
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
> Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
> and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
> its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
> globally.
>
> Patrick Leary
> m: 727.501.3735
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
> ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
> you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way 
> I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve 
> multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:
>
> 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
> ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done 
> with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 
> GHz.
>
> 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
> cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A 
> Y down.
>
> Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if 
> I leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 
> 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I 
> remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time 
> and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of 
> FPGAs 

Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?

[Tom Sharples]

When the problem happens, the rssi is "frozen" so I suspect there's actually no 
connectivity any more. Definitely no data. I haven't been able to get someone 
to look at the other end while it's happening, to see what they see.  During 
normal operation the s/n is around 30 to 35 db on the varous legs, and 
bandwidth, latency, etc is as we would expect. As you probably know the CM9s 
only put out around 50 mw but that's usually adequate for short-haul apps like 
this.

At present I can't access the system at all,  because the client has apparently 
allowed palm trees to grow into the path of the 5-mile (XR5) ptp backhaul we 
put in to feed it :-( and with today's rain it's killed the link. Once those 
are cut I should have access again and can run more tests.

Thanks,

Tom S.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


  Are you loosing connectivity to the client radios or only loosing data from 
them?

  What do your link stats show?  Signal quality etc.

  What are your eirp levels at normally and during the events?

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Sharples 
To: Wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


Hello all,

We're seeing an odd problem at a customer location in Honolulu. About a 
year ago, we set up a pretty conventional point-to-multipoint 5.8 Ghz setup for 
video surveillance - a dual-radio gateway node attached to a pair of sector 
antennas, and 4 client radios (2 on each sector) attached to IP cams. The 
client radios are between 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from the gateway node. This is a 
multi-building industrial project in a fairly heavily polluted (RF wise) area. 
There's a Home Depot and Lowes nearby with equipment on all 5.8 Ghz channels. 
However our radios scan well above the noise floor.

Our equipment uses pcengines alix boards running our own linux-based OS and 
CM9's using standard madwifi-style drivers. Same thing we've been using for 
years.

This installation worked well at first. However, we are now seeing a 
situation in which both gateway radios suddenly stop receiving data from the 
downstream clients. This lasts from 5 to 20 minutes or so and then magically 
fixes itself. When I ssh in during the problem, there'e no indication of 
low-level driver problems or crashes, everything looks normal except for the 
sudden lack of data and connectivity with the client devices. 

This installation is near Pearl Harbor and there are constant overflights 
from military aircraft. I'm wondering if this is a sensitivity issue to e.g. 
radar or some other high-powered signals from these planes. I've seen things 
like this before but never lasting up to 20 minutes. Would we see an 
improvement by switching to XR5's? We don't normally use those on short hauls 
like but they have better OOB filters than the CM9's. Thoughts?

Thanks,

Tom S.






___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???

[Josh Luthman]

The green level 1 and 2 stuff is junk.  Get a receipt and they'll ship you
their new cable.  The labor is all at a loss :(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 1, 2012 7:52 PM, "Paolo Di Francesco" 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time
> ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface.
>
> It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same
> site, now I have another cable failing on a second site...
>
> Any comment?
>
> Thank you
>
> --
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>
> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>
> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
> Fax : +39-091-8772072
> assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432
> web: http://www.level7.it
>
>
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Hi All,

it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time 
ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface.

It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same 
site, now I have another cable failing on a second site...

Any comment?

Thank you

-- 


Ing. Paolo Di Francesco

Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale

Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo

C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
Fax : +39-091-8772072
assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432
web: http://www.level7.it



___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Patrick Leary]

Faisal, I'll reply offlist.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:52 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

Hi Patrick,

Let me also chime in

Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good product, 
it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all.
Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day today, since 
I read your Alvarion Promo / Post.

Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT Airmax 
Products.
4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who are 
doing consulting work for Local / City Gov.
May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 5.x gear 
is cheaper.

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. 
> Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right 
> and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things 
> from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's 
> what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general.
>
> Patrick Leary
> m: 727.501.3735
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
> Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
> and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
> its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
> globally.
>
> Patrick Leary
> m: 727.501.3735
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide 
> market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the 
> challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT 
> achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I see its is that you might 
> need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH 
> either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:
>
> 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
> ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done 
> with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 
> GHz.
>
> 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
> cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A 
> Y down.
>
> Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if 
> I leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 
> 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I 
> remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time 
> and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of 
> FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go 
> into base stations.
>
> It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.
>
> Patrick Leary
> Alv

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Sean Heskett]

what if we Tx to the CPE in 3.65Ghz with 25Mhz channels then we only
have to register the tower location, then Tx to the tower with 900Mhz,
2.4Ghz or 5.xGhz???

-sean


On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
> ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
> you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way 
> I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve 
> multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:
>
> 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
> ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done 
> with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 
> GHz.
>
> 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
> cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A 
> Y down.
>
> Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if 
> I leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 
> 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I 
> remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time 
> and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of 
> FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go 
> into base stations.
>
> It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.
>
> Patrick Leary
> Alvarion
> m: 727.501.3735
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
> developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use 
> various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs…
>
>
>
> Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and 
> aggregate all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split 
> the downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce 
> to organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but 
> all that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller…
>
>
>
> So whos the taker?
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> 
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
> Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
> viruses(100).
> 
>
> 
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
> Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
> viruses(42).
> 
>
> 
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
> Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
> viruses(42).
> 
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Patrick,

Let me also chime in

Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good 
product, it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all.
Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day 
today, since I read your Alvarion Promo / Post.

Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT 
Airmax Products.
4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who 
are doing consulting work for Local / City Gov.
May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 
5.x gear is cheaper.

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. 
> Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right 
> and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things 
> from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's 
> what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general.
>
> Patrick Leary
> m: 727.501.3735
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
> Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
> and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
> its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
> globally.
>
> Patrick Leary
> m: 727.501.3735
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
> ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
> you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way 
> I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve 
> multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
> That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:
>
> 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
> ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done 
> with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 
> GHz.
>
> 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
> cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A 
> Y down.
>
> Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if 
> I leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 
> 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I 
> remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time 
> and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of 
> FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go 
> into base stations.
>
> It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.
>
> Patrick Leary
> Alvarion
> m: 727.501.3735
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP Sy

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Patrick Leary]

I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
globally.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I 
see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier 
aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses(100). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & com

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Sean Heskett]

we could also then put high gain receive antennas (and maybe even
apms???) at the tower



On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> what if we Tx to the CPE in 3.65Ghz with 25Mhz channels then we only
> have to register the tower location, then Tx to the tower with 900Mhz,
> 2.4Ghz or 5.xGhz???
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>> I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
>> ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
>> you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The 
>> way I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve 
>> multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something 
>> similar
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>>
>> That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:
>>
>> 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
>> ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done 
>> with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 
>> GHz.
>>
>> 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
>> cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W 
>> A Y down.
>>
>> Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if 
>> I leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 
>> 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I 
>> remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time 
>> and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of 
>> FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go 
>> into base stations.
>>
>> It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Alvarion
>> m: 727.501.3735
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Gino Villarini" 
>> To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
>> developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use 
>> various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs…
>>
>>
>>
>> Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and 
>> aggregate all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split 
>> the downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special 
>> sauce to organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. 
>> but all that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller…
>>
>>
>>
>> So whos the taker?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> 
>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
>> Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
>> viruses(100).
>> 
>>
>> 
>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
>> Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
>> viruses(42).
>> 
>>
>> 
>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
>> Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
>> viruses(42).
>> 
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wi

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Patrick Leary]

I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. 
Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right 
and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things 
from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's 
what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

*nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
globally.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I 
see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier 
aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


This foot

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
globally.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I 
see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier 
aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses(100). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 



This footnote 

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Gino Villarini]

That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
globally.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I 
see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier 
aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses(100). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Mike Hammett]

I think the general consensus is that UBNT is abandoning standard WiFi chipsets 
in their next version of AirMax since they're reached the limit of what they 
can do. I'm thinking they'll be more like AirFiber than the current AirMax.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:01:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I 
see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier 
aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses(100). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Gino Villarini]

I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I 
see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier 
aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses(100). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Gino Villarini]

Why? the great thinkg is that you could have single band cpes for low bw 
customers and multiband cpes for higher BW customers.

Imagine  using 20 mhz from 2.4,3.65,5.2,5.4 and 5.8 that's 100 mhz channel, 
with 64 qam and 2x2 mimo is about 800-900 mbps of data!!!

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Blair Davis
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I think the CPE would be to expensive.

Keeping CPE cost down is key for this industry.

--
On 11/1/2012 2:14 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs...

Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE...also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands...youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller...

So whos the taker?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143




___

Wireless mailing list

Wireless@wispa.org

http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless



--

West Michigan Wireless ISP

Allegan, Michigan  49010

269-686-8648



A Division of:

Camp Communication Services, INC
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I think the CPE would be to expensive.

Keeping CPE cost down is key for this industry.

--
On 11/1/2012 2:14 PM, Gino Villarini
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
 
I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP
  System similar to what is being developed in the LTE-Advanced
  RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various spectrum
  bands to talk to CPEs…
 
Imaging having an AP with multiple RF
  Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate all bands in a single
  Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the downlink/uplink
  in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to
  organize Spectrum availability and Identify external
  interference.. but all that could be achieve out of the AP in
  a Cloud controller…
 
So whos the taker? 
 
Gino
A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet
Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
  
  
  
  
  ___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless



-- 
West Michigan Wireless ISP
Allegan, Michigan  49010
269-686-8648

A Division of:
Camp Communication Services, INC

  

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Freylekhman, Alex]

Mike,
Respectfully disagree with you. We've just made announcements on tuesday at 4G 
world. This is some pretty cool stuff with really interesting features already 
available as well as planned

1. http://axxcelera.com/news.php?id=97

2. http://axxcelera.com/news.php?id=95

3. http://axxcelera.com/news.php?id=96

Gino, per earlier exchange links to press releases above. 

Thanks
Alex


--
Sent from BlackBerry device

Aleksander Freylekhman
Sales Director North America
Axxcelera Broadband Wireless
a Moseley Company
   T: +1 (804) 864-4125
   M: +1 (440) 220-2192
afreylekh...@axxcelera.com
www.axxcelera.com

- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett [mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 03:16 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

There hasn't been much innovation in the marketplace, just going faster.

I'm not sure if I'd want to see your idea first or multi-radio beamforming. I 
think it'd be nice to have multiple streams coming out of a given antenna being 
directed towards different clients.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143 
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?

[Jim Patient]

Looks like Fourway is in the Niles area.  Their contact info and
coverage is listed on http://www.towercoverage.com/northamericamap.asp

Jim

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: cly...@greatlakes.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?

Clyde, can you be of help here?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?


> Hi All,
> 
> I have a friend about a mile N/E of Barron lake (right outside Niles)
> Michigan that can't find internet service.
> 
> Do you cover it, or know of coverage?
> 
> Jeff
> 574-220-7826
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Patrick Leary]

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses(100). 



This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 



 
This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by 
PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses(42). 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Mike Hammett]

There hasn't been much innovation in the marketplace, just going faster.

I'm not sure if I'd want to see your idea first or multi-radio beamforming. I 
think it'd be nice to have multiple streams coming out of a given antenna being 
directed towards different clients.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" 

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143 
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Pedro Ramirez]

Hi Gino,

I wonder if our new 3 in 1 Sector Antenna design will be useful in this 
application that you mention here.


We are designing this to save space and lower tower costs and we can fit 
different frequencies, gains & polarization.


We will also be able to mix Sector and Panel antennas in the same enclosure.

Our first standard model will be 3 Sectors: 900Mhz 11dBi Dual, 2.4GHz 
15dBi Dual & 5GHz 18dBi Dual.


We would really like some input on what combinations of antennas would 
be more useful for different markets.


Pedro Ramirez
Itelite Antennas, Inc

On 01-Nov-12 11:14 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:


I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is 
being developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation 
can use various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs...


Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and 
aggregate all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE...also could 
split the downlink/uplink in various bands...youll need sync, plus 
some special sauce to organize Spectrum availability and Identify 
external interference.. but all that could be achieve out of the AP in 
a Cloud controller...


So whos the taker?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143



___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Gino Villarini]

I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs...

Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE...also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands...youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller...

So whos the taker?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Clyde, can you be of help here?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?


> Hi All,
> 
> I have a friend about a mile N/E of Barron lake (right outside Niles)
> Michigan that can't find internet service.
> 
> Do you cover it, or know of coverage?
> 
> Jeff
> 574-220-7826
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Are you loosing connectivity to the client radios or only loosing data from 
them?

What do your link stats show?  Signal quality etc.

What are your eirp levels at normally and during the events?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Sharples 
  To: Wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:46 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


  Hello all,

  We're seeing an odd problem at a customer location in Honolulu. About a year 
ago, we set up a pretty conventional point-to-multipoint 5.8 Ghz setup for 
video surveillance - a dual-radio gateway node attached to a pair of sector 
antennas, and 4 client radios (2 on each sector) attached to IP cams. The 
client radios are between 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from the gateway node. This is a 
multi-building industrial project in a fairly heavily polluted (RF wise) area. 
There's a Home Depot and Lowes nearby with equipment on all 5.8 Ghz channels. 
However our radios scan well above the noise floor.

  Our equipment uses pcengines alix boards running our own linux-based OS and 
CM9's using standard madwifi-style drivers. Same thing we've been using for 
years.

  This installation worked well at first. However, we are now seeing a 
situation in which both gateway radios suddenly stop receiving data from the 
downstream clients. This lasts from 5 to 20 minutes or so and then magically 
fixes itself. When I ssh in during the problem, there'e no indication of 
low-level driver problems or crashes, everything looks normal except for the 
sudden lack of data and connectivity with the client devices. 

  This installation is near Pearl Harbor and there are constant overflights 
from military aircraft. I'm wondering if this is a sensitivity issue to e.g. 
radar or some other high-powered signals from these planes. I've seen things 
like this before but never lasting up to 20 minutes. Would we see an 
improvement by switching to XR5's? We don't normally use those on short hauls 
like but they have better OOB filters than the CM9's. Thoughts?

  Thanks,

  Tom S.



--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?

[Jeff Broadwick]

Hi All,

I have a friend about a mile N/E of Barron lake (right outside Niles)
Michigan that can't find internet service.

Do you cover it, or know of coverage?

Jeff
574-220-7826



___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless