[WISPA] Blocking Torrents
Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ? Thanx NGL ERLite-3 If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! inline: flag.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents
I am to the point that I believe the only way to block all torrents is to turn the internet off. So many are even using port 80 now. You can do packet inspection and help out if on a MT but not sure on a UBNT. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Howard LLC From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ? Thanx NGL ERLite-3 [cid:image001.gif@01CE6064.3E94AC50] If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! inline: image001.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve
I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- *Josh Reynolds* WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem. Anyone have a good answer? NGL From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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You can charge them to investigate these complaints. We reply to the letters pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate. So far none of them have elected to pay us to find the offender. Not like it’s hard for us because all of our users have public IPs. http://wifimw.com/civil.asp Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem. Anyone have a good answer? NGL From: Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@performantnetworks.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com http://www.performantnetworks.com/images/Performant-Networks.png ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve
From my routing days, I really believe your best bet is to just manage your traffic and deal with out-of-line customers as they come up. There are many legitimate uses for torrents now…plus the whole “reasonable” network management standard that the FCC sorta came up with under net neutrality. Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:47 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com http://www.performantnetworks.com/images/Performant-Networks.png ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Curious, has anyone paid yet? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: You can charge them to investigate these complaints. We reply to the letters pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate. So far none of them have elected to pay us to find the offender. Not like it’s hard for us because all of our users have public IPs. ** ** http://wifimw.com/civil.asp ** ** ** ** Jim ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Monday, June 03, 2013 2:00 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents ** ** I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem. Anyone have a good answer? NGL *From:* Josh Reynolds j...@performantnetworks.com *Sent:* Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve ** ** I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- *Josh Reynolds* WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com ** ** ** ** ** ** -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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You don't necessarily need to block torrents. They can be used for legitimate uses, such as Linux distros. One way you can cut down on torrent traffic is to limit the number of connections to clients. That will drastically cut down on the number of torrent connections someone can open, slowing down torrent downloads drastically. Bryce Duchcherer MTCWE Network Admin NETAGO 403-854-4600 bduc...@netago.camailto:bduc...@netago.ca [NETAGO-INTERNET_DNP] From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ? Thanx NGL ERLite-3 [cid:image002.gif@01CE6061.7B4ED060] If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! inline: image001.pnginline: image002.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Nope From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Curious, has anyone paid yet? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: You can charge them to investigate these complaints. We reply to the letters pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate. So far none of them have elected to pay us to find the offender. Not like it's hard for us because all of our users have public IPs. http://wifimw.com/civil.asp Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem. Anyone have a good answer? NGL From: Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@performantnetworks.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 tel:%28305%29%20968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Jim, Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or not at all)? Doug Douglas A. Hass Associate 312.786.6502 d...@franczek.com Franczek Radelet P.C. 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400Chicago,IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax http://franczek.comhttp:// Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email. Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Nope From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Curious, has anyone paid yet? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.netmailto:jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: You can charge them to investigate these complaints. We reply to the letters pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate. So far none of them have elected to pay us to find the offender. Not like it’s hard for us because all of our users have public IPs. http://wifimw.com/civil.asp Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem. Anyone have a good answer? NGL From: Josh Reynoldsmailto:j...@performantnetworks.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351tel:%28305%29%20968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.commailto:j...@performantnetworks.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Where do I set the limit? In the router or radio? How many? NGL From: Bryce Duchcherer Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents You don't necessarily need to block torrents. They can be used for legitimate uses, such as Linux distros. One way you can cut down on torrent traffic is to limit the number of connections to clients. That will drastically cut down on the number of torrent connections someone can open, slowing down torrent downloads drastically. Bryce Duchcherer MTCWE Network Admin NETAGO 403-854-4600 bduc...@netago.ca From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ? Thanx NGL ERLite-3 If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: image001.pnginline: image002.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Pop a pfsense box in bridge mode to your network get the traffic graph app fire abusive customers or charge them more — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ? Thanx NGL ERLite-3 If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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You can do it in MikroTik fairly easily. There Is a way to limit connections per subnet, if you limit /32 it will set a limit of x connections for every IP address going through the router. It's hard to say an exact number of connections, it depends what people are doing. For most residential, ~200 connections should be lots. Businesses, depending on the number of users, could be more. Bryce Duchcherer MTCWE Network Admin NETAGO 403-854-4600 bduc...@netago.camailto:bduc...@netago.ca [NETAGO-INTERNET_DNP] From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Where do I set the limit? In the router or radio? How many? NGL From: Bryce Duchcherermailto:bduc...@netago.ca Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 12:51 PM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents You don't necessarily need to block torrents. They can be used for legitimate uses, such as Linux distros. One way you can cut down on torrent traffic is to limit the number of connections to clients. That will drastically cut down on the number of torrent connections someone can open, slowing down torrent downloads drastically. Bryce Duchcherer MTCWE Network Admin NETAGO 403-854-4600 bduc...@netago.camailto:bduc...@netago.ca [NETAGO-INTERNET_DNP] From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Can I block all Torrents using the Ubiquiti ERLite-3 ? Thanx NGL ERLite-3 [cid:image002.gif@01CE6065.F2F774B0] If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: image001.pnginline: image002.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation. Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years. I guess if any of them do, I’ll cross that bridge when it happens. I think most of it is vaporware. Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of these? Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A. Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Jim, Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or not at all)? Doug Douglas A. Hass Associate 312.786.6502 d...@franczek.com Franczek Radelet P.C. 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400Chicago,IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax http://franczek.com http:// Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email. Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Nope From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Curious, has anyone paid yet? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: You can charge them to investigate these complaints. We reply to the letters pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate. So far none of them have elected to pay us to find the offender. Not like it’s hard for us because all of our users have public IPs. http://wifimw.com/civil.asp Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem. Anyone have a good answer? NGL From: Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@performantnetworks.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 tel:%28305%29%20968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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The problem with us isn't the party who initiated the complaint. The upstream providers are getting more and pushy that we need to give them (the backbone provider) a resolution. If not they say it violates the Terms of Service. Cogent is the worst about this. We have actually had them turn us off because we did not answer complaints. Justin From: Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation. Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years. I guess if any of them do, I¹ll cross that bridge when it happens. I think most of it is vaporware. Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of these? Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A. Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Jim, Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or not at all)? Doug Douglas A. Hass Associate 312.786.6502 d...@franczek.com Franczek Radelet P.C. 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400Chicago,IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax http://franczek.com http:// Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email. Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Nope From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Curious, has anyone paid yet? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: You can charge them to investigate these complaints. We reply to the letters pointing them to our website with pricing for us to investigate. So far none of them have elected to pay us to find the offender. Not like it¹s hard for us because all of our users have public IPs. http://wifimw.com/civil.asp Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents I am trying to stop or hinder the copyright infringement problem. Anyone have a good answer? NGL From: Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@performantnetworks.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:46 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents - Steve I agree with Steve. There are tons of ways to obfuscate torrent traffic, and VPN/proxy services are gaining in popularity, which makes the traffic encrypted. -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 tel:%28305%29%20968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless
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Do you get notices from your upstream for addresses that aren't in one of their IP blocks? We used to get them from ATT before we got our own IP block but only get them from HBO, Starz, Warner Bros etc now. Haven't ever gotten one from Cogent but haven't had that circuit for even a year yet either. I understand the logic behind telling them that you'll research it for a fee but typically the ones that we get never ask for any response. They just ask that you notify the offending party and make it stop. We never reply to them but do check the IP address. If it's a NATed address we note it on the ticket and close it. If it's a public IP we send the customer a notice that there was illegal activity detected on their connection. That usually stops the activity right away. The last one that I sent out, the customer replied thanking us for letting her know. Said she told her neighbors that they couldn't do that anymore because she didn't want to lose her Netflix over somebody doing something illegal. I think we were about halfway through the month and they had transferred about 250Gb at that point. Usage dropped to normal Netflix user amounts after that. James Howard LiteWire Internet Services, Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents The problem with us isn't the party who initiated the complaint. The upstream providers are getting more and pushy that we need to give them (the backbone provider) a resolution. If not they say it violates the Terms of Service. Cogent is the worst about this. We have actually had them turn us off because we did not answer complaints. Justin From: Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.netmailto:jpati...@linktechs.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation. Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years. I guess if any of them do, I'll cross that bridge when it happens. I think most of it is vaporware. Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of these? Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A. Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Jim, Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or not at all)? Doug Douglas A. Hass Associate 312.786.6502 d...@franczek.commailto:d...@franczek.com Franczek Radelet P.C. 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400Chicago,IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax http://franczek.comhttp:// Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email. Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Nope From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Curious, has anyone paid yet? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Patient
Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents
The key is getting your own IP space. Then the upstream will leave you alone. -- On 6/3/2013 6:24 PM, James Howard wrote: Do you get notices from your upstream for addresses that arent in one of their IP blocks? We used to get them from ATT before we got our own IP block but only get them from HBO, Starz, Warner Bros etc now. Havent ever gotten one from Cogent but havent had that circuit for even a year yet either. I understand the logic behind telling them that youll research it for a fee but typically the ones that we get never ask for any response. They just ask that you notify the offending party and make it stop. We never reply to them but do check the IP address. If its a NATed address we note it on the ticket and close it. If its a public IP we send the customer a notice that there was illegal activity detected on their connection. That usually stops the activity right away. The last one that I sent out, the customer replied thanking us for letting her know. Said she told her neighbors that they couldnt do that anymore because she didnt want to lose her Netflix over somebody doing something illegal. I think we were about halfway through the month and they had transferred about 250Gb at that point. Usage dropped to normal Netflix user amounts after that. James Howard LiteWire Internet Services, Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents The problem with us isn't the party who initiated the complaint. The upstream providers are getting more and pushy that we need to give them (the backbone provider) a resolution. If not they say it violates the Terms of Service. Cogent is the worst about this. We have actually had them turn us off because we did not answer complaints. Justin From: Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation. Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years. I guess if any of them do, Ill cross that bridge when it happens. I think most of it is vaporware. Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of these? Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A. Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Jim, Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or not at all)? Doug Douglas A.Hass Associate 312.786.6502 d...@franczek.com Franczek Radelet P.C. 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400Chicago,IL60606
Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson)
So what if your resolution has been to direct them to your DCMA complaints webpage (with clearly defined process), and the requestee has never provided the information required to retrieve the information? There is nothing in the law that says you can't charge 1 million USD per complain request notification, AND it would stop these trolls who are suing grandmothers for millions when their computers are infected with a botnet. The thing about 99.9% of these requests, is that they are literally as bad or worse than patent trolling. They send out thousands of these requests every day just to see who bites, with the objective being for them to collect money either in or out of court. They know that when grandma on her fixed income tries to fight back, that they will bury her in debt in court even if she wins. The entire process is automated in most cases, which is how they often end up sending DCMA complaints to themselves (google it). I'm all for protecting your IP, but this stuff has Got To Stop. (Sorry for slightly O/T, but this is relevant to the discussion from the ISP prospective.) -- *Josh Reynolds* WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson)
Well, let's not get carried away. :-) $1 million would certainly exceed the reasonable costs that you incur (and can charge) for compliance with the civil subpoena. Your ability to recover your reasonable cost for a civil subpoena does not come from the DMCA, btw. That is part of the federal rules that apply generally for all non party civil subpoenas. Going overboard with fee requests for a DMCA notice could give the copyright holder an argument that you are not making a good-faith effort to comply with the safe harbor provisions, too. Tread carefully, and get some legal advice before considering massive cost requests. -- Original message -- From: Josh Reynolds Date: 6/3/2013 5:28 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; Subject:Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson) So what if your resolution has been to direct them to your DCMA complaints webpage (with clearly defined process), and the requestee has never provided the information required to retrieve the information? There is nothing in the law that says you can't charge 1 million USD per complain request notification, AND it would stop these trolls who are suing grandmothers for millions when their computers are infected with a botnet. The thing about 99.9% of these requests, is that they are literally as bad or worse than patent trolling. They send out thousands of these requests every day just to see who bites, with the objective being for them to collect money either in or out of court. They know that when grandma on her fixed income tries to fight back, that they will bury her in debt in court even if she wins. The entire process is automated in most cases, which is how they often end up sending DCMA complaints to themselves (google it). I'm all for protecting your IP, but this stuff has Got To Stop. (Sorry for slightly O/T, but this is relevant to the discussion from the ISP prospective.) -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.commailto:j...@performantnetworks.com [http://www.performantnetworks.com/images/Performant-Networks.png] Douglas A. Hass Associate 312.786.6502 d...@franczek.com Franczek Radelet P.C. 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400Chicago,IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax http://franczek.comhttp:// Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email. Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson)
Yes, I was venting frustration more than anything. I have heard people on the ubnt.com forums discussing their fees for such a lookup. I have never heard of anybody who has charged a lookup fee for DMCA request who has actually be paid / had the requestee go further than the initial email/letter (now including this list). Note: Those same people do charge for CALEA requests as well, but those *do* get paid. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com wrote: Well, let's not get carried away. :-) $1 million would certainly exceed the reasonable costs that you incur (and can charge) for compliance with the civil subpoena. Your ability to recover your reasonable cost for a civil subpoena does not come from the DMCA, btw. That is part of the federal rules that apply generally for all non party civil subpoenas. Going overboard with fee requests for a DMCA notice could give the copyright holder an argument that you are not making a good-faith effort to comply with the safe harbor provisions, too. Tread carefully, and get some legal advice before considering massive cost requests. -- Original message -- From: Josh Reynolds Date: 6/3/2013 5:28 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; Subject:Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents (RE: Justin Wilson) So what if your resolution has been to direct them to your DCMA complaints webpage (with clearly defined process), and the requestee has never provided the information required to retrieve the information? There is nothing in the law that says you can't charge 1 million USD per complain request notification, AND it would stop these trolls who are suing grandmothers for millions when their computers are infected with a botnet. The thing about 99.9% of these requests, is that they are literally as bad or worse than patent trolling. They send out thousands of these requests every day just to see who bites, with the objective being for them to collect money either in or out of court. They know that when grandma on her fixed income tries to fight back, that they will bury her in debt in court even if she wins. The entire process is automated in most cases, which is how they often end up sending DCMA complaints to themselves (google it). I'm all for protecting your IP, but this stuff has Got To Stop. (Sorry for slightly O/T, but this is relevant to the discussion from the ISP prospective.) -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.commailto:j...@performantnetworks.com [http://www.performantnetworks.com/images/Performant-Networks.png] Douglas A. Hass Associate 312.786.6502 d...@franczek.com Franczek Radelet P.C. 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400Chicago,IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax http://franczek.comhttp:// Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email. Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -- *Josh Reynolds* WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Does having your own space matter or is it just how its allocated at ARIN? My address space is re-allocated (as should any space greater than /29 and for ISPs) and my company's information is in ARIN, but I still get notices form my upstream. Doesn't make sense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 5:23:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents The key is getting your own IP space. Then the upstream will leave you alone. -- On 6/3/2013 6:24 PM, James Howard wrote: Do you get notices from your upstream for addresses that aren’t in one of their IP blocks? We used to get them from ATT before we got our own IP block but only get them from HBO, Starz, Warner Bros etc now. Haven’t ever gotten one from Cogent but haven’t had that circuit for even a year yet either. I understand the logic behind telling them that you’ll research it for a fee but typically the ones that we get never ask for any response. They just ask that you notify the offending party and make it stop. We never reply to them but do check the IP address. If it’s a NATed address we note it on the ticket and close it. If it’s a public IP we send the customer a notice that there was illegal activity detected on their connection. That usually stops the activity right away. The last one that I sent out, the customer replied thanking us for letting her know. Said she told her neighbors that they couldn’t do that anymore because she “didn’t want to lose her Netflix over somebody doing something illegal.” I think we were about halfway through the month and they had transferred about 250Gb at that point. Usage dropped to normal Netflix user amounts after that. James Howard LiteWire Internet Services, Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents The problem with us isn't the party who initiated the complaint. The upstream providers are getting more and pushy that we need to give them (the backbone provider) a resolution. If not they say it violates the Terms of Service. Cogent is the worst about this. We have actually had them turn us off because we did not answer complaints. Justin From: Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents blockquote I just respond to them and tell them we would be happy to investigate the alleged infringement however, there will be a cost incurred for investigation. Pricing for investigating this can be found on http://wifimw.com/civil.asp I have never had any of them respond to it in over 3 years. I guess if any of them do, I’ll cross that bridge when it happens. I think most of it is vaporware. Has anyone out here ever actually had a law suit or cops show up over one of these? Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A. Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Blocking Torrents Jim, Your policy says that it applies to subpoenas, but what about service of DMCA notices without a subpoena attached (such as where a subpoena comes later, or not at all)? Doug Douglas A. Hass Associate 312.786.6502 d...@franczek.com Franczek Radelet P.C. 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400Chicago , IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax http://franczek.com Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email. Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf
