Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast
How about using a 5 gallon bucket and concrete a 5 ft pole into it. Lowes bucket = $5.00, bag of concrete = $3.73, and a 1 ½ EMT conduit = $12.00. All parts for less than $25.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Zukerman Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast Hello list, I am setting up a PtP link between two gas stations for a client. I am going to be using two Nanostation M5 units going about 1/2mi diagonally across a highway. I'd like to mount them to a 5ft mast then to a non-penetrating roof mount, as the only place with clear line-of-sight is on the roof of both gas stations. Flat roof without much of a lip to mount an antenna to. All of my Google searches come up with much larger non-penetrating roof mounts, 3' or wider, which are designed for much larger and taller masts. Also very pricey, $150 or more each. Does anyone make a small non-penetrating roof mount, say 2ft square out of metal with an attachment to hold a 5ft mast or including a 5ft mast? Maybe a single cinder/cement block to weigh it down would be all that is needed. Won't ever need to go higher. Or do you have another suggestion for mounting? Thanks in advance, Josh ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ATT Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected markets
This means that for our average $45/month customer who uses on average 30 Gigs they could pay $120 instead Wow the POWER of AT*T (not!) On 07/29/2013 05:28 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: ATT Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected markets http://ow.ly/nrnQ0 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast
Thanks for the close up. I think I will go with this design as I can get all of those parts locally. I like the wide base, to distribute weight more evenly. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote: If you need, here is a close up of that 3foot tripod screwed down to the treated lumber base: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uy-dmEYKRic/TMY7XkHK6RI/AI4/tuJvBzKGcug/w909-h682-no/roof_tripod_base_small.jpg I think those are 1/4 lag screws and washers. The hen is optional. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joshua Zukerman haw...@gmail.com wrote: I like what you did here: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uSvf_bhcyXE/TMY6GYrz3HI/AIo/5ErZI4Y93D4/w560-h746-no/wasabinet_bolita_small.jpg I sort of had that thought in my mind already, but couldn't envision how to make a bottom piece to hold down the tripod. Now that I see a photo, I may run with this design. I can get the tripods and masts locally, plus a quick trip to the lumber store to pick up pressure treated lumber and a couple of cement blocks. Thanks. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote: For ultra low-cost non-penetrating roof mounts, I've been playing around with J-Bars salvaged from discarded Dish TV equipment, mounted to a base made from scrap treated lumber and weighted down with cinderblocks. Then, I mate a vertical length of EMT conduit, 1/2 or better yet 3/4, using a couple conduit hangers. http://goo.gl/ojvZu0 http://goo.gl/6Wu0My Maybe this can give you a general idea, although this would definitely have a conspicuous DIY look. (I just try to make these things in batch, to conserve on labor.) I should note the latter photo, which might be of the most interest to you, is now out of date. The wood beams making up the base were rearranged into a V shape for more width, with a metal brace spanning the mouth of the V for stiffness. Likewise the 24inch vertical mast was replaced with a completely straight section of EMT, instead of that weird zig-zag piece I originally happened to have lying around. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Joshua Zukerman haw...@gmail.comwrote: Hello list, I am setting up a PtP link between two gas stations for a client. I am going to be using two Nanostation M5 units going about 1/2mi diagonally across a highway. I'd like to mount them to a 5ft mast then to a non-penetrating roof mount, as the only place with clear line-of-sight is on the roof of both gas stations. Flat roof without much of a lip to mount an antenna to. All of my Google searches come up with much larger non-penetrating roof mounts, 3' or wider, which are designed for much larger and taller masts. Also very pricey, $150 or more each. Does anyone make a small non-penetrating roof mount, say 2ft square out of metal with an attachment to hold a 5ft mast or including a 5ft mast? Maybe a single cinder/cement block to weigh it down would be all that is needed. Won't ever need to go higher. Or do you have another suggestion for mounting? Thanks in advance, Josh ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ben West http://gowasabi.net b...@gowasabi.net 314-246-9434 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ben West http://gowasabi.net b...@gowasabi.net 314-246-9434 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ATT Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected markets
The problem is not the ATT offer, it's ATT Marketing and the consumers who mostly are uninformed... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected markets This means that for our average $45/month customer who uses on average 30 Gigs they could pay $120 instead Wow the POWER of AT*T (not!) On 07/29/2013 05:28 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: ATT Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected markets http://ow.ly/nrnQ0 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast
Depends on the roof material. Such a rig on the ~100year old wood/tarpaper roofs here in St. Louis would probably cause a depression to form under the bucket. This is why I have to use rather wide base under the cinderblocks, to spread the load across a couple rafters. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: How about using a 5 gallon bucket and concrete a 5 ft pole into it. Lowes bucket = $5.00, bag of concrete = $3.73, and a 1 ½ EMT conduit = $12.00. All parts for less than $25.00 ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Joshua Zukerman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:58 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast ** ** Hello list, I am setting up a PtP link between two gas stations for a client. I am going to be using two Nanostation M5 units going about 1/2mi diagonally across a highway. I'd like to mount them to a 5ft mast then to a non-penetrating roof mount, as the only place with clear line-of-sight is on the roof of both gas stations. Flat roof without much of a lip to mount an antenna to. All of my Google searches come up with much larger non-penetrating roof mounts, 3' or wider, which are designed for much larger and taller masts. Also very pricey, $150 or more each. Does anyone make a small non-penetrating roof mount, say 2ft square out of metal with an attachment to hold a 5ft mast or including a 5ft mast? Maybe a single cinder/cement block to weigh it down would be all that is needed. Won't ever need to go higher. Or do you have another suggestion for mounting? Thanks in advance, Josh ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ben West http://gowasabi.net b...@gowasabi.net 314-246-9434 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Gino won't buy it unless it has batwings or costs at least 4 digits per SU. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must ALL be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
I have to agree with Gino. I have not had much luck with M365 PTMP setup. PTP is fine but you only have 25MHz to use. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
We've haven't had much luck with our UBNT 365 ptmp setups either. Not that they're horrible but it's not giving us optimal performance. Also don't think that you're going to make shots through a grove of trees because it's not going to work. A tree maybe but you're pushing it. I've got a neighborhood with about a dozen or less customers on each sector (2 sectors total) and the capacity sucks but i'm also using 5mhz channels. I have everyone at -70 or better and we're seeing 50% quality 50% capacity. All shots under 1/4 mile. Dear God I hope Cambium comes out with a 450 3.65ghz solution because the options we have right now are downright horrid. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site I have to agree with Gino. I have not had much luck with M365 PTMP setup. PTP is fine but you only have 25MHz to use. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
What kind of issues have you seen? We only have a few running, but they seem to be fine. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 12:32 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: I have to agree with Gino. I have not had much luck with M365 PTMP setup. PTP is fine but you only have 25MHz to use. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
No... I won't buy if if it does not support gps sync. Specially 3.65 and the limited spectrum Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 31, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gino won't buy it unless it has batwings or costs at least 4 digits per SU. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
I agree. We used to have a bunch of 3.65 Ubnt deployed in PTMP. I have removed almost all of it after being unable to maintain stable performance. If you are going to use it, keep connections pure line of sight and keep all AMQ and Capacity above 90%. Also don't install anyone over -66dbm signal. Do not put more than one AP on any site nor within 6 miles of another AP where the APs can see each other or any clients can possibly see more than one AP. Also make sure you have no other competitors in the area use 3.65 as any noise really seems to kill this equipment. I use 3.65 (25mhz channel) on PTP links with at least 2' dishes a lot, but nothing else. On 07/31/2013 08:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
If this helps: We are in Canada - spectrum license time: one week. Effort: one page letter. There are three 900 MHz Canopy sectors and an omni serving at least 24 customers who are now on 2.4 GHz Canopy. Currently the backhaul is on 5 GHz but this will need to change to support a ~300 Mbps link. The site is on a hill with a 96' tower overlooking the coast, with all of the 30 or so 2.4 GHz customers being inside of 1000 yards, and perhaps a few more up to 2000 yards away. My plan was to put up two Titanium base stations, each with a 90° antenna of unknown source as of yet, and to put up to 24 customers on each sector to offer an upgrade to either 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps connections. These are existing customers, so it would be free radio rental and free installation in return for 24 month contracts. I would be more than willing to deploy something like the PMP450 or Runcom LTE stuff, but we need to do this in the next couple of weeks. Daniel At 18:20 31.07.2013, you wrote: Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must ALL be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.cadaniel.mul...@metrocom.ca mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.cadaniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list mailto:Wireless@wispa.orgWireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Why don't you use PMP450 in 5ghz? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Daniel Mullen wi...@metrocom.camailto:wi...@metrocom.ca Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site If this helps: We are in Canada - spectrum license time: one week. Effort: one page letter. There are three 900 MHz Canopy sectors and an omni serving at least 24 customers who are now on 2.4 GHz Canopy. Currently the backhaul is on 5 GHz but this will need to change to support a ~300 Mbps link. The site is on a hill with a 96' tower overlooking the coast, with all of the 30 or so 2.4 GHz customers being inside of 1000 yards, and perhaps a few more up to 2000 yards away. My plan was to put up two Titanium base stations, each with a 90° antenna of unknown source as of yet, and to put up to 24 customers on each sector to offer an upgrade to either 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps connections. These are existing customers, so it would be free radio rental and free installation in return for 24 month contracts. I would be more than willing to deploy something like the PMP450 or Runcom LTE stuff, but we need to do this in the next couple of weeks. Daniel At 18:20 31.07.2013, you wrote: Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must ALL be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.camailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.camailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
It may come to that, but all of our back haul links are 5 GHz and it was always intended to be kept 'clean' for this purpose. If we could count on using the 3.65 GHz for backhaul it would mean switching the links on ~20 towers but help us get out of the 2.4 GHz mess. Daniel At 00:43 01.08.2013, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_CE1F0B6B1B2E1gavaeronetprcom_ Why don't you use PMP450 in 5ghz? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Daniel Mullen mailto:wi...@metrocom.cawi...@metrocom.ca Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site If this helps: We are in Canada - spectrum license time: one week. Effort: one page letter. There are three 900 MHz Canopy sectors and an omni serving at least 24 customers who are now on 2.4 GHz Canopy. Currently the backhaul is on 5 GHz but this will need to change to support a ~300 Mbps link. The site is on a hill with a 96' tower overlooking the coast, with all of the 30 or so 2.4 GHz customers being inside of 1000 yards, and perhaps a few more up to 2000 yards away. My plan was to put up two Titanium base stations, each with a 90° antenna of unknown source as of yet, and to put up to 24 customers on each sector to offer an upgrade to either 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps connections. These are existing customers, so it would be free radio rental and free installation in return for 24 month contracts. I would be more than willing to deploy something like the PMP450 or Runcom LTE stuff, but we need to do this in the next couple of weeks. Daniel At 18:20 31.07.2013, you wrote: Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must ALL be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list mailto:Wireless@wispa.orgWireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list mailto:Wireless@wispa.orgWireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
I would go licensed backhauls and save all the unlicensed spectrum for pmp. That way you have a bunch of different tools to use for the last mile. Start with a couple backhauls each year and work your way out...you'll be glad you did. Also 5.4ghz is very useful because the noise floor is almost always -95 (in our area at least) the lower noise floor makes it just as useful as 5.8 where the noise is -80 Sean On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, Daniel Mullen wrote: It may come to that, but all of our back haul links are 5 GHz and it was always intended to be kept 'clean' for this purpose. If we could count on using the 3.65 GHz for backhaul it would mean switching the links on ~20 towers but help us get out of the 2.4 GHz mess. Daniel At 00:43 01.08.2013, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; **** boundary=_000_CE1F0B6B1B2E1gavaeronetprcom_ Why don't you use PMP450 in 5ghz? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Daniel Mullen wi...@metrocom.ca javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'wi...@metrocom.ca'); Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'wireless@wispa.org'); Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'wireless@wispa.org'); Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site If this helps: We are in Canada - spectrum license time: one week. Effort: one page letter. There are three 900 MHz Canopy sectors and an omni serving at least 24 customers who are now on 2.4 GHz Canopy. Currently the backhaul is on 5 GHz but this will need to change to support a ~300 Mbps link. The site is on a hill with a 96' tower overlooking the coast, with all of the 30 or so 2.4 GHz customers being inside of 1000 yards, and perhaps a few more up to 2000 yards away. My plan was to put up two Titanium base stations, each with a 90° antenna of unknown source as of yet, and to put up to 24 customers on each sector to offer an upgrade to either 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps connections. These are existing customers, so it would be free radio rental and free installation in return for 24 month contracts. I would be more than willing to deploy something like the PMP450 or Runcom LTE stuff, but we need to do this in the next couple of weeks. Daniel At 18:20 31.07.2013, you wrote: Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must *ALL* be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.cajavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca'); daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca'); wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'Wireless@wispa.org'); http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'Wireless@wispa.org'); http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'Wireless@wispa.org'); http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless