Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] Draft Itemsfor August 1 FCC Meeting

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Wireless]

Agree 100%

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:50 AM, G. Nicholas  wrote:
> 
> Steve and policy committee,
> 
> There is one item in the NPRM that is a change from the CAF2 letter of credit 
> rules and should be lobbied hard against as this adds increased costs for our 
> small WISPS.
> 
> In item #84  "We also propose that the letter of credit remain in place until 
> USAC and the Commission verify that a Rural Digital Opportunity
> Fund winning bidder has met its minimum coverage and service requirements at 
> the end of the six-year milestone."
> 
> As noted under item 82 "A CAF Phase II auction support recipient must only 
> maintain an open letter of credit until the recipient has certified it has 
> met the final service milestone and the certification has been verified.155"
> 
> 
> Given that WISP technology allows faster build out then fiber, many Wisps may 
> be able to meet their build-out completions in the first year.   Requiring 
> them to carry a letter of credit for 6 years could add 30% to a winning 
> bidders cost (at 5%/yr for the LOC)  these are funds that reduce the actual 
> amount available to be spent on true broadband build out.
> 
> 
> Hopefully we can make one last push to the FCC on why that is a bad idea 
> before the August meeting.
> 
> 
> Garth 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Coran, Steve
> Sent: 7/22/2019 7:55:27 AM
> To: kj...@ethoplex.com;policycommit...@wispa.org;ebow...@aristotle.net
> Cc: memb...@wispa.org;wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] [WISPA] Draft Itemsfor
> August 1 FCC Meeting
> 
>> Some good ideas here, which need to be measured against the FCC’s 
> objectives.  In countless meetings with the FCC on CAF II rules and, more 
> recently, speed/latency testing, it is ever-apparent that the FCC wants as 
> much of this process to be a “check the box” exercise so they do not have 
> to rely on their own resources and lack of expertise to decide eligibility 
> and compliance.  For example, when we approached the FCC about expanding the 
> list of banks eligible to issue letters of credit, the concern was not 
> expanding the list but an ability of the FCC to look at some independent list 
> which would make the judgment for them.  So we went from less than 100 banks 
> on the S list to more than 3,600 banks on the Weiss list.  Requiring 
> audited financials provides a measure of independent verification from the 
> FCC.  I don’t even know if the FCC looks at the audited financials – and 
> I don’t think anyone has been disqualified based on the content of the 
> financials – they just want to know that someone independent and with 
> expertise has conducted an audit (and recall that WISPA was influential in 
> removing this requirement from the front end of the auction so that only 
> winners have to spend the money for the audit).  When it comes to assessing 
> financial wherewithal, the FCC would have no ability to look at tax returns 
> and decide who is financially viable and who is not.  Same with speed/latency 
> testing – the FCC wants to look at a list and determine the testing route, 
> not rely on every CAF recipient to provide traffic routing maps.  While we 
> can quibble with the standards the FCC adopted, I think having standards is a 
> better solution than having the FCC make independent – and by definition 
> arbitrary – judgements for each applicant.
>> 
>> Also, each CAF recipient is required to make annual certifications that it 
> has enough money for the next year to meet its obligations.  So, taken 
> together, the FCC prescribes gating criteria on the front end that enables 
> them to determine eligibility without doing any application-by-application 
> analysis and drawing lines in gray areas, and follows that up with annual 
> certifications and threat of USAC audits.  I do not see that structure 
> changing over time.
>> 
>> I do think it is worth asking the FCC to allow an RDOF applicant to post a 
> performance bond as an alternative to obtaining a letter of credit.  WISPA 
> pushed for this before, and the FCC rejected it.  The FCC is considering a 
> performance bond in the Uniendo a Puerto Rico and Connect USVI Fund programs, 
> so we will see if there is movement there.  We can also ask the FCC to reduce 
> the value of the letter of credit over time (the carrying costs can exceed 5% 
> per month), but it would be great if we had a history of CAF buildout 
> compliance on which to rely.  We may not have that at the outset of RDOF.  I 
> also like the idea about approved underwriting from other governmental 
> agencies.
>> 
>> As for a member survey, that might be more appropriate once the rules are 
> established.  The FCC has included a proposal that would make CAF-supported 
> broadband adoption a criterion – meaning that RDOF recipients would give 
> back support if subscribership in supported 

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] Draft Itemsfor August 1 FCC Meeting

[Coran, Steve via Wireless]

My sense is that if you finish before Year 6 and USAC verifies that, you don't 
have to carry the LOC to term.  We can seek clarity in our Comments, or perhaps 
we stay silent so as not to create a strawman for others to oppose.

Stephen E. Coran
Lerman Senter PLLC |2001 L Street, NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036
202-416-6744 (o) | 202-669-3288 (m) | sco...@lermansenter.com  |@stevecoran – 
twitter

-Original Message-
From: members-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of Jeff 
Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 12:01 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: policycommit...@wispa.org; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] [WISPA] Draft Itemsfor August 1 
FCC Meeting

Agree 100%

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:50 AM, G. Nicholas  wrote:
> 
> Steve and policy committee,
> 
> There is one item in the NPRM that is a change from the CAF2 letter of 
> credit rules and should be lobbied hard against as this adds increased 
> costs for our small WISPS.
> 
> In item #84  "We also propose that the letter of credit remain in 
> place until USAC and the Commission verify that a Rural Digital 
> Opportunity Fund winning bidder has met its minimum coverage and 
> service requirements at the end of the six-year milestone."
> 
> As noted under item 82 "A CAF Phase II auction support recipient must 
> only maintain an open letter of credit until the recipient has 
> certified it has met the final service milestone and the certification has 
> been verified.155"
> 
> 
> Given that WISP technology allows faster build out then fiber, many Wisps may 
> be able to meet their build-out completions in the first year.   Requiring 
> them to carry a letter of credit for 6 years could add 30% to a 
> winning bidders cost (at 5%/yr for the LOC)  these are funds that 
> reduce the actual amount available to be spent on true broadband build out.
> 
> 
> Hopefully we can make one last push to the FCC on why that is a bad 
> idea before the August meeting.
> 
> 
> Garth
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Coran, Steve
> Sent: 7/22/2019 7:55:27 AM
> To: kj...@ethoplex.com;policycommit...@wispa.org;ebow...@aristotle.net
> Cc: memb...@wispa.org;wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] [WISPA] Draft Itemsfor
> August 1 FCC Meeting
> 
>> Some good ideas here, which need to be measured against the FCC’s
> objectives.  In countless meetings with the FCC on CAF II rules and, 
> more recently, speed/latency testing, it is ever-apparent that the FCC 
> wants as much of this process to be a “check the box” exercise so they 
> do not have to rely on their own resources and lack of expertise to 
> decide eligibility and compliance.  For example, when we approached 
> the FCC about expanding the list of banks eligible to issue letters of 
> credit, the concern was not expanding the list but an ability of the 
> FCC to look at some independent list which would make the judgment for 
> them.  So we went from less than 100 banks on the S list to more 
> than 3,600 banks on the Weiss list.  Requiring audited financials 
> provides a measure of independent verification from the FCC.  I don’t 
> even know if the FCC looks at the audited financials – and I don’t 
> think anyone has been disqualified based on the content of the 
> financials – they just want to know that someone independent and with 
> expertise has conducted an audit (and recall that WISPA was 
> influential in removing this requirement from the front end of the 
> auction so that only winners have to spend the money for the audit).  
> When it comes to assessing financial wherewithal, the FCC would have 
> no ability to look at tax returns and decide who is financially viable 
> and who is not.  Same with speed/latency testing – the FCC wants to 
> look at a list and determine the testing route, not rely on every CAF 
> recipient to provide traffic routing maps.  While we can quibble with 
> the standards the FCC adopted, I think having standards is a better solution 
> than having the FCC make independent – and by definition arbitrary – 
> judgements for each applicant.
>> 
>> Also, each CAF recipient is required to make annual certifications 
>> that it
> has enough money for the next year to meet its obligations.  So, taken 
> together, the FCC prescribes gating criteria on the front end that 
> enables them to determine eligibility without doing any 
> application-by-application analysis and drawing lines in gray areas, 
> and follows that up with annual certifications and threat of USAC 
> audits.  I do not see that structure changing over time.
>> 
>> I do think it is worth asking the FCC to allow an RDOF applicant to 
>> post a
> performance bond as an alternative to obtaining a letter of credit.  
> WISPA pushed for this before, and the FCC rejected it.  The FCC is 
> considering a performance bond in the Uniendo a Puerto Rico 

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] Draft Itemsfor August 1 FCC Meeting

[G. Nicholas via Wireless]

Steve and policy committee,

There is one item in the NPRM that is a change from the CAF2 letter of credit 
rules and should be lobbied hard against as this adds increased costs for our 
small WISPS.

In item #84  "We also propose that the letter of credit remain in place until 
USAC and the Commission verify that a Rural Digital Opportunity
Fund winning bidder has met its minimum coverage and service requirements at 
the end of the six-year milestone."

As noted under item 82 "A CAF Phase II auction support recipient must only 
maintain an open letter of credit until the recipient has certified it has 
met the final service milestone and the certification has been verified.155"


Given that WISP technology allows faster build out then fiber, many Wisps may 
be able to meet their build-out completions in the first year.   Requiring 
them to carry a letter of credit for 6 years could add 30% to a winning 
bidders cost (at 5%/yr for the LOC)  these are funds that reduce the actual 
amount available to be spent on true broadband build out.


Hopefully we can make one last push to the FCC on why that is a bad idea 
before the August meeting.


Garth 



- Original Message -
From: Coran, Steve
Sent: 7/22/2019 7:55:27 AM
To: kj...@ethoplex.com;policycommit...@wispa.org;ebow...@aristotle.net
Cc: memb...@wispa.org;wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] [WISPA] Draft Itemsfor   
August 1 FCC Meeting

> Some good ideas here, which need to be measured against the FCC’s 
objectives.  In countless meetings with the FCC on CAF II rules and, more 
recently, speed/latency testing, it is ever-apparent that the FCC wants as 
much of this process to be a “check the box” exercise so they do not have 
to rely on their own resources and lack of expertise to decide eligibility 
and compliance.  For example, when we approached the FCC about expanding the 
list of banks eligible to issue letters of credit, the concern was not 
expanding the list but an ability of the FCC to look at some independent list 
which would make the judgment for them.  So we went from less than 100 banks 
on the S list to more than 3,600 banks on the Weiss list.  Requiring 
audited financials provides a measure of independent verification from the 
FCC.  I don’t even know if the FCC looks at the audited financials – and 
I don’t think anyone has been disqualified based on the content of the 
financials – they just want to know that someone independent and with 
expertise has conducted an audit (and recall that WISPA was influential in 
removing this requirement from the front end of the auction so that only 
winners have to spend the money for the audit).  When it comes to assessing 
financial wherewithal, the FCC would have no ability to look at tax returns 
and decide who is financially viable and who is not.  Same with speed/latency 
testing – the FCC wants to look at a list and determine the testing route, 
not rely on every CAF recipient to provide traffic routing maps.  While we 
can quibble with the standards the FCC adopted, I think having standards is a 
better solution than having the FCC make independent – and by definition 
arbitrary – judgements for each applicant.
> 
> Also, each CAF recipient is required to make annual certifications that it 
has enough money for the next year to meet its obligations.  So, taken 
together, the FCC prescribes gating criteria on the front end that enables 
them to determine eligibility without doing any application-by-application 
analysis and drawing lines in gray areas, and follows that up with annual 
certifications and threat of USAC audits.  I do not see that structure 
changing over time.
> 
> I do think it is worth asking the FCC to allow an RDOF applicant to post a 
performance bond as an alternative to obtaining a letter of credit.  WISPA 
pushed for this before, and the FCC rejected it.  The FCC is considering a 
performance bond in the Uniendo a Puerto Rico and Connect USVI Fund programs, 
so we will see if there is movement there.  We can also ask the FCC to reduce 
the value of the letter of credit over time (the carrying costs can exceed 5% 
per month), but it would be great if we had a history of CAF buildout 
compliance on which to rely.  We may not have that at the outset of RDOF.  I 
also like the idea about approved underwriting from other governmental 
agencies.
> 
> As for a member survey, that might be more appropriate once the rules are 
established.  The FCC has included a proposal that would make CAF-supported 
broadband adoption a criterion – meaning that RDOF recipients would give 
back support if subscribership in supported areas did not meet certain 
benchmarks up to 70%.  Industry stakeholders will strongly oppose this – 
how can you dictate adoption? – and I’m optimistic the FCC will not move 
forward with this proposal, which would have a significant deterrent effect 
on RDOF auction participation.  On the positive 

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Mike Hammett via Wireless]

and to be reflected on 477, I believe you need to be the one billing for it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Claude Aiken via Wireless"  
To: "James Wilson" , "WISPA General List" 
 
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 9:07:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting 

As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11 numbers, 
it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white label. 


Yes, has to be reflected on 477. 


We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon. 






 Original message  
From: James Wilson via Wireless  
Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting 



Is there some information about what is considered phone service? 


Can we just offer something like Ooma? Does this phone service need to be 
reflected in FCC 477? 


Is there a place to go for further information? 


Thanks! 


On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless < wireless@wispa.org 
> wrote: 




There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that will 
effect all WISP’s. Please review the documents below. 


Short summary: 


477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information. 
Personally this is a good thing. 


RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be 
spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3 service 
& phone. 


WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th. A lot 
of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are fair and 
open to all providers, not just the Telco’s. There is no way to stop the feds 
from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we do. Both political 
parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to spend money on rural 
broadband. 


YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this funding, 
or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you. 


Mark 



Mark Radabaugh 
WISPA Policy Committee Chair 
419-261-5996 




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From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" < policycommit...@wispa.org > 

Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting 

Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT 

To: "' policycommit...@wispa.org '" < policycommit...@wispa.org > 

Reply-To: "Coran, Steve" < sco...@lermansenter.com >, < 
policycommit...@wispa.org > 



Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s August 
1 open meeting. We have the opportunity to meet with the Commissioners until 
the afternoon of July 25. Would appreciate the Committee’s input on these soon. 
Just released, and I have not had a chance to review these yet. 

DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf 
DRAFT RDOF NPRM: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf 

Stephen E. Coran 
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Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[James Wilson via Wireless]

Thanks everyone for the advice, hopefully, this discussion helps others.  I
didn't know about the phone requirement until the GSO webinar last week.

While some interactivity is good, webinars are a bit time consuming for us
because we're in the field most of the day.

Are there any online documents that anyone could be pointed to for an
overview?

If we're going to do this I want to be sure that we're meeting all of the
requirements...

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:48 AM Keefe John via Wireless 
wrote:

> Also check out Vitelity and Bandwidth.
>
> Keefe
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 7:40 AM Claude Aiken via Wireless <
> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>> Wise man…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh 
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 8:39 AM
>> *To:* Claude Aiken ; WISPA General List <
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> I just don’t put my phone number on the post :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Claude Aiken via Wireless <
>> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> There are a number of WISPA vendor members who offer white-label VoIP
>> service. I won’t list them here because inevitably I’ll leave someone off
>> and I’ll get an angry phone call!
>>
>>
>>
>> I discussed this in the most recent ISP Radio in the latter half of the
>> show, and it was item #6 on the top 10 list on our most recent webinar.
>>
>>
>>
>> We didn’t offer a webinar particularly on phone, but if there is enough
>> interest we may want to take a look at it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* James Wilson 
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 8:15 AM
>> *To:* Claude Aiken 
>> *Cc:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com; WISPA General List <
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>>   We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't
>> hear anything about a phone service seminar.
>>
>>
>>
>>   For anyone else that is trying to keep up:
>>
>>
>>
>>   NANP is this:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan
>>
>>
>>
>>   N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code
>>
>>
>>
>>   I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in
>> Memphis.  We'll check on it.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not
>> exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a
>> smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to
>> offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> -James Wilson
>>
>>
>>
>> RidgeComms
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, N11.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
>> *To:* Claude Aiken ; 'WISPA General List' <
>> wireless@wispa.org>; 'James Wilson' 
>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
>> Behalf Of *Claude Aiken via Wireless
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
>> *To:* James Wilson ; WISPA General List <
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
>> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
>> label.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
>>
>>
>>
>> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>>
>> From: James Wilson via Wireless 
>>
>> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>
>> To: WISPA General List 
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to
>> be reflected in FCC 477?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a place to go for further information?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless <
>> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items
>> that will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Short summary:
>>
>>
>>
>> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
>>   Personally this is a good thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will
>> be spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
>> service & phone.
>>
>>
>>
>> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
>>   A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
>> fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to
>> stop the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we
>> do.   

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Keefe John via Wireless]

Also check out Vitelity and Bandwidth.

Keefe

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 7:40 AM Claude Aiken via Wireless 
wrote:

> Wise man…
>
>
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 8:39 AM
> *To:* Claude Aiken ; WISPA General List <
> wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> I just don’t put my phone number on the post :-)
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Claude Aiken via Wireless 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> There are a number of WISPA vendor members who offer white-label VoIP
> service. I won’t list them here because inevitably I’ll leave someone off
> and I’ll get an angry phone call!
>
>
>
> I discussed this in the most recent ISP Radio in the latter half of the
> show, and it was item #6 on the top 10 list on our most recent webinar.
>
>
>
> We didn’t offer a webinar particularly on phone, but if there is enough
> interest we may want to take a look at it.
>
>
>
> *From:* James Wilson 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 8:15 AM
> *To:* Claude Aiken 
> *Cc:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com; WISPA General List <
> wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
>   We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't
> hear anything about a phone service seminar.
>
>
>
>   For anyone else that is trying to keep up:
>
>
>
>   NANP is this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan
>
>
>
>   N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code
>
>
>
>   I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in
> Memphis.  We'll check on it.
>
>
>
>   Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not
> exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a
> smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to
> offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> -James Wilson
>
>
>
> RidgeComms
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  wrote:
>
> Yes, N11.
>
>
>
> *From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
> *To:* Claude Aiken ; 'WISPA General List' <
> wireless@wispa.org>; 'James Wilson' 
> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
> Behalf Of *Claude Aiken via Wireless
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
> *To:* James Wilson ; WISPA General List <
> wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
> label.
>
>
>
> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
>
>
>
> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: James Wilson via Wireless 
>
> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: WISPA General List 
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
>
>
>
> Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be
> reflected in FCC 477?
>
>
>
> Is there a place to go for further information?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless <
> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>
> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that
> will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
>
>
>
> Short summary:
>
>
>
> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
> Personally this is a good thing.
>
>
>
> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will
> be spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
> service & phone.
>
>
>
> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
>   A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
> fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to
> stop the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we
> do.   Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to
> spend money on rural broadband.
>
>
>
> *YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART* to either position yourself to receive this
> funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Mark Radabaugh
>
> WISPA Policy Committee Chair
>
> 419-261-5996
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
> *From: *"Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" 
>
> *Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting*
>
> *Date: *July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
>
> *To: *"'policycommit...@wispa.org'" 
>
> *Reply-To: *"Coran, Steve" , <
> policycommit...@wispa.org>
>
>
>
> Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s
> August 1 open meeting.  We have the 

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Daniel White via Wireless]

Ooma does not count as offering VoIP service.  Since you are not billing 
the customer (i.e. collecting revenue) or collecting fees (specifically 
FUSF) you do not file a 499 nor a 477 for services provided through Ooma.


Atheral White-Label VoIP on the other hand does count, as you are 
providing a white-label (vs. a resale) service and billing your 
customers.  Some information about our offering can be found here: 
https://atheral.co/wlvoip


Happy to discuss offlist with anyone... you can book a meeting with me 
here: https://calendly.com/atheralsales/prtdemo


Thank you,

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct:+1 (702) 470-2770

James Wilson via Wireless wrote on 7/22/19 06:15:
  We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but 
didn't hear anything about a phone service seminar.


For anyone else that is trying to keep up:

NANP is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan

N11 is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code

I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in 
Memphis.  We'll check on it.


  Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're 
not exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers 
to use a smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going 
to have to offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on!


Thank you,

-James Wilson

RidgeComms






On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken > wrote:


Yes, N11.

*From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com

mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
*To:* Claude Aiken mailto:cai...@wispa.org>>;
'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>; 'James Wilson' mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Claude X11 or should the reference be N11

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> *On Behalf Of *Claude Aiken
via Wireless
*Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
*To:* James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>; WISPA General List
mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including
X11 numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company.
Can be white label.

Yes, has to be reflected on 477.

We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members
soon.

 Original message 

From: James Wilson via Wireless mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Is there some information about what is considered phone service?

Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service
need to be reflected in FCC 477?

Is there a place to go for further information?

Thanks!

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless
mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> wrote:

There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting
on items that will effect all WISP’s.    Please review the
documents below.

Short summary:

477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and
information.   Personally this is a good thing.

RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars)
that will be spend to overbuild your network if you are not
currently providing 25/3 service & phone.

WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up
to the 25th.   A lot of effort has already gone into making
sure that both of these are fair and open to all providers,
not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to stop the feds from
spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we do.  
Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all
want to spend money on rural broadband.

*/YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART/* to either position yourself to
receive this funding, or prevent your competitors from getting
it and overbuilding you.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh

WISPA Policy Committee Chair

419-261-5996

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *"Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee"
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>

*Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC
Meeting*

*Date: *July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT

*To: *"'policycommit...@wispa.org
'"
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>

*Reply-To: *"Coran, Steve" 

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Claude Aiken via Wireless]

Wise man…

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:39 AM
To: Claude Aiken ; WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

I just don’t put my phone number on the post :-)

Mark


On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Claude Aiken via Wireless 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> wrote:

There are a number of WISPA vendor members who offer white-label VoIP service. 
I won’t list them here because inevitably I’ll leave someone off and I’ll get 
an angry phone call!

I discussed this in the most recent ISP Radio in the latter half of the show, 
and it was item #6 on the top 10 list on our most recent webinar.

We didn’t offer a webinar particularly on phone, but if there is enough 
interest we may want to take a look at it.

From: James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:15 AM
To: Claude Aiken mailto:cai...@wispa.org>>
Cc: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com; 
WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

  We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't hear 
anything about a phone service seminar.

  For anyone else that is trying to keep up:

  NANP is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan

  N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code

  I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in Memphis.  
We'll check on it.

  Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not exactly 
in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a smartphone 
with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to offer phone 
service not to get further overbuilt on!

Thank you,

-James Wilson

RidgeComms






On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken 
mailto:cai...@wispa.org>> wrote:
Yes, N11.

From: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
To: Claude Aiken mailto:cai...@wispa.org>>; 'WISPA General 
List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>; 'James Wilson' 
mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Claude X11 or should the reference be N11

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> On Behalf Of 
Claude Aiken via Wireless
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
To: James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>; WISPA 
General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11 numbers, 
it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white label.

Yes, has to be reflected on 477.

We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.



 Original message 
From: James Wilson via Wireless mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Is there some information about what is considered phone service?

Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be 
reflected in FCC 477?

Is there a place to go for further information?

Thanks!

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> wrote:
There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that will 
effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.

Short summary:

477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.   
Personally this is a good thing.

RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be 
spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3 service 
& phone.

WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.   A 
lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are fair and 
open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to stop the feds 
from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we do.   Both 
political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to spend money on 
rural broadband.

YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this funding, 
or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh
WISPA Policy Committee Chair
419-261-5996

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
To: "'policycommit...@wispa.org'" 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>
Reply-To: "Coran, Steve" 
mailto:sco...@lermansenter.com>>, 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>

Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s August 
1 open meeting.  

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Mark Radabaugh via Wireless]

I just don’t put my phone number on the post :-)

Mark

> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Claude Aiken via Wireless  
> wrote:
> 
> There are a number of WISPA vendor members who offer white-label VoIP 
> service. I won’t list them here because inevitably I’ll leave someone off and 
> I’ll get an angry phone call!
>  
> I discussed this in the most recent ISP Radio in the latter half of the show, 
> and it was item #6 on the top 10 list on our most recent webinar.
>  
> We didn’t offer a webinar particularly on phone, but if there is enough 
> interest we may want to take a look at it.
>  
> From: James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>> 
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:15 AM
> To: Claude Aiken mailto:cai...@wispa.org>>
> Cc: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
> ; WISPA General List 
> mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>  
>   We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't hear 
> anything about a phone service seminar.
>  
>   For anyone else that is trying to keep up:
>  
>   NANP is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan 
> 
>  
>   N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code 
> 
>  
>   I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in Memphis.  
> We'll check on it.
>  
>   Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not 
> exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a 
> smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to offer 
> phone service not to get further overbuilt on!
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> -James Wilson
>  
> RidgeComms
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  > wrote:
> Yes, N11.
>  
> From: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
>   > 
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
> To: Claude Aiken mailto:cai...@wispa.org>>; 'WISPA General 
> List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>; 'James Wilson' 
> mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>  
> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
> mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> On Behalf Of 
> Claude Aiken via Wireless
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
> To: James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>; WISPA 
> General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>  
> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11 
> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white 
> label.
>  
> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
>  
> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
>  
>  
>  
>  Original message 
> From: James Wilson via Wireless  >
> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>  
> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
>  
> Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be 
> reflected in FCC 477?
>  
> Is there a place to go for further information?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless  > wrote:
> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that 
> will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
>  
> Short summary:
>  
> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.   
> Personally this is a good thing.
>  
> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be 
> spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3 
> service & phone.   
>  
> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.   A 
> lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are fair 
> and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to stop 
> the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we do.   
> Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to spend 
> money on rural broadband.  
>  
> YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this funding, 
> or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.
>  
> Mark
>  
> Mark Radabaugh
> WISPA Policy Committee Chair
> 419-261-5996
>  
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
>  
> From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee"  >
> Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
> Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
> To: "'policycommit...@wispa.org 

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Mark Radabaugh via Wireless]

There are a number of WISPA vendors that offer solutions varying from 
whitelabel to entire on-premise solutions.  

A quick look through the member directory (and I apologize to the ones I miss, 
feel free to reply with the information):

CTI:  http://cticonnect .com
Ooma: http://www.ooma.com 
Bicom: http://www.bicomsystems.com 
Ipifony: http://www.ipifony.com 
Windstream http://www.windstreamwholesale.com 

Netsapiens http://www.netsapiens .com
Atheral http://www.atheral.com 
Solidphone Communications:  http://www.solidphone.us 

Mark


> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:15 AM, James Wilson via Wireless  
> wrote:
> 
>   We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't hear 
> anything about a phone service seminar.
> 
>   For anyone else that is trying to keep up:
> 
>   NANP is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan 
> 
> 
>   N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code 
> 
> 
>   I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in Memphis.  
> We'll check on it.
> 
>   Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not 
> exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a 
> smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to offer 
> phone service not to get further overbuilt on!
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> -James Wilson
> 
> RidgeComms
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  > wrote:
> Yes, N11.
> 
>  
> 
> From: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
>   > 
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
> To: Claude Aiken mailto:cai...@wispa.org>>; 'WISPA General 
> List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>; 'James Wilson' 
> mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
> 
>  
> 
> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
> mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> On Behalf Of 
> Claude Aiken via Wireless
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
> To: James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>; WISPA 
> General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
> 
>  
> 
> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11 
> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white 
> label.
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
> 
>  
> 
> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  Original message 
> 
> From: James Wilson via Wireless  >
> 
> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
> 
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
> 
>  
> 
> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
> 
>  
> 
> Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be 
> reflected in FCC 477?
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a place to go for further information?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless  > wrote:
> 
> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that 
> will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
> 
>  
> 
> Short summary:
> 
>  
> 
> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.   
> Personally this is a good thing.
> 
>  
> 
> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be 
> spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3 
> service & phone.   
> 
>  
> 
> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.   A 
> lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are fair 
> and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to stop 
> the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we do.   
> Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to spend 
> money on rural broadband.  
> 
>  
> 
> YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this funding, 
> or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
> 
> WISPA Policy Committee Chair
> 
> 419-261-5996
> 
>  
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>  
> 
> From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee"  >
> 
> Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
> 
> Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
> 
> To: 

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[James Wilson via Wireless]

Thanks, I'll check them out.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 8:37 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> There are a number of WISPA vendors that offer solutions varying from
> whitelabel to entire on-premise solutions.
>
> A quick look through the member directory (and I apologize to the ones I
> miss, feel free to reply with the information):
>
> CTI:  http://cticonnect.com
> Ooma: http://www.ooma.com
> Bicom: http://www.bicomsystems.com
> Ipifony: http://www.ipifony.com
> Windstream http://www.windstreamwholesale.com
> Netsapiens http://www.netsapiens.com
> Atheral http://www.atheral.com
> Solidphone Communications:  http://www.solidphone.us
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:15 AM, James Wilson via Wireless 
> wrote:
>
>   We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't
> hear anything about a phone service seminar.
>
>   For anyone else that is trying to keep up:
>
>   NANP is this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan
>
>   N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code
>
>   I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in
> Memphis.  We'll check on it.
>
>   Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not
> exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a
> smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to
> offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on!
>
> Thank you,
>
> -James Wilson
>
> RidgeComms
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  wrote:
>
>> Yes, N11.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
>> *To:* Claude Aiken ; 'WISPA General List' <
>> wireless@wispa.org>; 'James Wilson' 
>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
>> Behalf Of *Claude Aiken via Wireless
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
>> *To:* James Wilson ; WISPA General List <
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
>> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
>> label.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
>>
>>
>>
>> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>>
>> From: James Wilson via Wireless 
>>
>> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>
>> To: WISPA General List 
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to
>> be reflected in FCC 477?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a place to go for further information?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless <
>> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items
>> that will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Short summary:
>>
>>
>>
>> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
>>   Personally this is a good thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will
>> be spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
>> service & phone.
>>
>>
>>
>> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
>>   A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
>> fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to
>> stop the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we
>> do.   Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to
>> spend money on rural broadband.
>>
>>
>>
>> *YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART* to either position yourself to receive this
>> funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Radabaugh
>>
>> WISPA Policy Committee Chair
>>
>> 419-261-5996
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *"Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" 
>>
>> *Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting*
>>
>> *Date: *July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
>>
>> *To: *"'policycommit...@wispa.org'" 
>>
>> *Reply-To: *"Coran, Steve" , <
>> policycommit...@wispa.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s
>> August 1 open meeting.  We have the opportunity to meet with the
>> Commissioners until the afternoon of July 25.  Would appreciate the
>> Committee’s input on these soon.  Just released, and I have not had a
>> chance to review these yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM:
>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf
>>
>> DRAFT RDOF NPRM: 

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Claude Aiken via Wireless]

There are a number of WISPA vendor members who offer white-label VoIP service. 
I won’t list them here because inevitably I’ll leave someone off and I’ll get 
an angry phone call!

I discussed this in the most recent ISP Radio in the latter half of the show, 
and it was item #6 on the top 10 list on our most recent webinar.

We didn’t offer a webinar particularly on phone, but if there is enough 
interest we may want to take a look at it.

From: James Wilson 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:15 AM
To: Claude Aiken 
Cc: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com; WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

  We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't hear 
anything about a phone service seminar.

  For anyone else that is trying to keep up:

  NANP is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan

  N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code

  I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in Memphis.  
We'll check on it.

  Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not exactly 
in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a smartphone 
with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to offer phone 
service not to get further overbuilt on!

Thank you,

-James Wilson

RidgeComms






On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken 
mailto:cai...@wispa.org>> wrote:
Yes, N11.

From: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
To: Claude Aiken mailto:cai...@wispa.org>>; 'WISPA General 
List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>; 'James Wilson' 
mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Claude X11 or should the reference be N11

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> On Behalf Of 
Claude Aiken via Wireless
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
To: James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>; WISPA 
General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11 numbers, 
it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white label.

Yes, has to be reflected on 477.

We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.



 Original message 
From: James Wilson via Wireless mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Is there some information about what is considered phone service?

Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be 
reflected in FCC 477?

Is there a place to go for further information?

Thanks!

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> wrote:
There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that will 
effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.

Short summary:

477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.   
Personally this is a good thing.

RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be 
spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3 service 
& phone.

WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.   A 
lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are fair and 
open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to stop the feds 
from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we do.   Both 
political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to spend money on 
rural broadband.

YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this funding, 
or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh
WISPA Policy Committee Chair
419-261-5996

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
To: "'policycommit...@wispa.org'" 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>
Reply-To: "Coran, Steve" 
mailto:sco...@lermansenter.com>>, 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>

Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s August 
1 open meeting.  We have the opportunity to meet with the Commissioners until 
the afternoon of July 25.  Would appreciate the Committee’s input on these 
soon.  Just released, and I have not had a chance to review these yet.

DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf
DRAFT RDOF NPRM: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf

Stephen E. Coran
Lerman Senter PLLC 

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[James Wilson via Wireless]

  We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't
hear anything about a phone service seminar.

  For anyone else that is trying to keep up:

  NANP is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan

  N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code

  I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in
Memphis.  We'll check on it.

  Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not
exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a
smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to
offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on!

Thank you,

-James Wilson

RidgeComms






On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  wrote:

> Yes, N11.
>
>
>
> *From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
> *To:* Claude Aiken ; 'WISPA General List' <
> wireless@wispa.org>; 'James Wilson' 
> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
> Behalf Of *Claude Aiken via Wireless
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
> *To:* James Wilson ; WISPA General List <
> wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
> label.
>
>
>
> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
>
>
>
> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: James Wilson via Wireless 
>
> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: WISPA General List 
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
>
>
>
> Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be
> reflected in FCC 477?
>
>
>
> Is there a place to go for further information?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless <
> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>
> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that
> will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
>
>
>
> Short summary:
>
>
>
> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
> Personally this is a good thing.
>
>
>
> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will
> be spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
> service & phone.
>
>
>
> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
>   A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
> fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to
> stop the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we
> do.   Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to
> spend money on rural broadband.
>
>
>
> *YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART* to either position yourself to receive this
> funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Mark Radabaugh
>
> WISPA Policy Committee Chair
>
> 419-261-5996
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
> *From: *"Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" 
>
> *Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting*
>
> *Date: *July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
>
> *To: *"'policycommit...@wispa.org'" 
>
> *Reply-To: *"Coran, Steve" , <
> policycommit...@wispa.org>
>
>
>
> Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s
> August 1 open meeting.  We have the opportunity to meet with the
> Commissioners until the afternoon of July 25.  Would appreciate the
> Committee’s input on these soon.  Just released, and I have not had a
> chance to review these yet.
>
>
>
> DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM:
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf
>
> DRAFT RDOF NPRM: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf
>
>
>
> Stephen E. Coran
>
> Lerman Senter PLLC  *|*2001 L Street, NW,
> Suite 400 *|* Washington, DC 20036
>
> 202-416-6744 (o) *|* 202-669-3288 (m) *| *sco...@lermansenter.com  
> *|*@stevecoran
> – twitter
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Claude Aiken via Wireless]

Yes, N11.

From: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
To: Claude Aiken ; 'WISPA General List' ; 
'James Wilson' 
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Claude X11 or should the reference be N11

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> On Behalf Of 
Claude Aiken via Wireless
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
To: James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>>; WISPA 
General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11 numbers, 
it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white label.

Yes, has to be reflected on 477.

We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.



 Original message 
From: James Wilson via Wireless mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Is there some information about what is considered phone service?

Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be 
reflected in FCC 477?

Is there a place to go for further information?

Thanks!

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> wrote:
There are two upcoming items on the FCC's August 1st meeting on items that will 
effect all WISP's.Please review the documents below.

Short summary:

477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.   
Personally this is a good thing.

RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be 
spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3 service 
& phone.

WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.   A 
lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are fair and 
open to all providers, not just the Telco's.   There is no way to stop the feds 
from spending this money - it's coming regardless of what we do.   Both 
political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to spend money on 
rural broadband.

YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this funding, 
or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh
WISPA Policy Committee Chair
419-261-5996

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
To: "'policycommit...@wispa.org'" 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>
Reply-To: "Coran, Steve" 
mailto:sco...@lermansenter.com>>, 
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org>>

Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC's August 
1 open meeting.  We have the opportunity to meet with the Commissioners until 
the afternoon of July 25.  Would appreciate the Committee's input on these 
soon.  Just released, and I have not had a chance to review these yet.

DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf
DRAFT RDOF NPRM: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf

Stephen E. Coran
Lerman Senter PLLC |2001 L Street, NW, Suite 400 
| Washington, DC 20036
202-416-6744 (o) | 202-669-3288 (m) | 
sco...@lermansenter.com  |@stevecoran - twitter


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Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[tim--- via Wireless]

Claude X11 or should the reference be N11

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of
Claude Aiken via Wireless
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
To: James Wilson ; WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

 

As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
label. 

 

Yes, has to be reflected on 477.

 

We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.

 

 

 

 Original message 

From: James Wilson via Wireless mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > 

Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting 

 

Is there some information about what is considered phone service? 

 

Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be
reflected in FCC 477?

 

Is there a place to go for further information?

 

Thanks!

 

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless
mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > wrote:

There are two upcoming items on the FCC's August 1st meeting on items that
will effect all WISP's.Please review the documents below.

 

Short summary:

 

477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
Personally this is a good thing.

 

RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be
spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
service & phone.   

 

WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco's.   There is no way to
stop the feds from spending this money - it's coming regardless of what we
do.   Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to
spend money on rural broadband.  

 

YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this
funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.

 

Mark

 

Mark Radabaugh

WISPA Policy Committee Chair

419-261-5996





Begin forwarded message:

 

From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org> >

Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT

To: "'policycommit...@wispa.org  '"
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org> >

Reply-To: "Coran, Steve" mailto:sco...@lermansenter.com> >, mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org> >

 

Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC's
August 1 open meeting.  We have the opportunity to meet with the
Commissioners until the afternoon of July 25.  Would appreciate the
Committee's input on these soon.  Just released, and I have not had a chance
to review these yet.

 

DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM:

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf

DRAFT RDOF NPRM:  
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf

 

Stephen E. Coran

Lerman Senter PLLC   |2001 L Street, NW, Suite
400 | Washington, DC 20036

202-416-6744 (o) | 202-669-3288 (m) | sco...@lermansenter.com
   |@stevecoran - twitter

 

 

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