Re: [WISPA] health insurance
It's like taking a crappy football team and trying to fix the problem with new uniforms. But the feds current answer is to create another football team, buy new uniforms for their team with taxpayer dollars and then expect all the teams, including theirs, to suddenly start performing well. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Maybe government has to be the answer if we're going to address the problem of the vast number of people who could afford insurance but choose to spend their money elsewhere. It's going to require the government forcing them to buy insurance or pay some tax that is used to fund health insurance. On the inside of the system - hospitals and insurance companies etc: Greed and stupidity are the two root causes of waste in any enterprise. The problem now is either people are profiting from the waste or they're too immoral to care or to stupid to notice. Even if the government or private industry itself massively overhauls healthcare there will still be the same problems if it's still the same people involved. It's like taking a crappy football team and trying to fix the problem with new uniforms. If in the healthcare reform heads will roll then it stands a chance of working, but I don't think anyone is talking about that. Greg On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:17 AM, RickG wrote: That's right - government cant be the answer. Your questions are viable. We need to speak up and many have but unfortunately either they are not listening or dont care. I've not found anyone that wants the government running health care or even an option. This includes many low wage earners I am acquainted with. So, I know where the people are who are against the bill but where are the proponents at? On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net wrote: Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles. I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected. -RickG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
If the government really can do it better and cheaper then the private sector will follow suit. Government has a history showing they can't do anything better or cheaper than the private sector. If the government can really run a better, cheaper, more efficient health insurance program than the private sector WITHOUT using tax dollars, then I'm all for it. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I believe the proposed changes have only dealt with the insurance side (government provided and more rules for the private sector insurance providers). On the healthcare provider (doctors, hospitals) side I believe they've only talked about rules. Maybe new government clinics that provide healthcare at discounted rates would help drive down costs in the private sector. What works well in Venezuela is the private and state run systems are separate. It doesn't matter how bad the state run system gets because you are free to go to the paid clinics, which don't charge exorbitant rates because it would drive everyone to the public system. What I worry about happening here is we lose a completely free and unfettered option. If the government really can do it better and cheaper then the private sector will follow suit. If the government needs to stifle the private sector and strong arm people into their plan it only shows they can't compete. Greg On Dec 7, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Paul C Diem wrote: It's like taking a crappy football team and trying to fix the problem with new uniforms. But the feds current answer is to create another football team, buy new uniforms for their team with taxpayer dollars and then expect all the teams, including theirs, to suddenly start performing well. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Maybe government has to be the answer if we're going to address the problem of the vast number of people who could afford insurance but choose to spend their money elsewhere. It's going to require the government forcing them to buy insurance or pay some tax that is used to fund health insurance. On the inside of the system - hospitals and insurance companies etc: Greed and stupidity are the two root causes of waste in any enterprise. The problem now is either people are profiting from the waste or they're too immoral to care or to stupid to notice. Even if the government or private industry itself massively overhauls healthcare there will still be the same problems if it's still the same people involved. It's like taking a crappy football team and trying to fix the problem with new uniforms. If in the healthcare reform heads will roll then it stands a chance of working, but I don't think anyone is talking about that. Greg On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:17 AM, RickG wrote: That's right - government cant be the answer. Your questions are viable. We need to speak up and many have but unfortunately either they are not listening or dont care. I've not found anyone that wants the government running health care or even an option. This includes many low wage earners I am acquainted with. So, I know where the people are who are against the bill but where are the proponents at? On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net wrote: Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
When the Constitution is called No longer relevant to a modern society on the floor of the House of Representatives and there is no uproar over it As I said before, I've stopped paying too much attention to the news. Did that really happen? If so, I believe the real problem is that there was no uproar from we the people over it. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance It's because it started out as a good idea but the ones with the cash and who are looking to protect their slice of our cash as well as enhance it, (Insurance companies), have been allowed to trade policy for dollars. It all comes down to one thing, cash. He who has the most cash wins. It's not supposed to be that way but unfortunately as long as the ones who are benefiting from all that cash are the ones who are sitting in both houses this is what we will have. No matter what your politics may be, dollars do not make good policy. We can all Vote the bums out but the reality is that we only get new bums. Until the system of cash for votes is wiped out it will only get worse and we are seeing it escalating more and more each year. Tend to the issue of WHY we are stuck with this power to the dollar and then we can work on getting it back to power to the people. When the Constitution is called No longer relevant to a modern society on the floor of the House of Representatives and there is no uproar over it, There's your sign! Had to throw my 35 cents in. (It's no longer 2 cents, had to raise the price due to the economy. A guy has to eat, ya know.) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance If the current draft now says you can't be jailed for not paying this particular tax/fine then ok, but that's not the way it was written earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if this is flipped back...sooner or later. Regardless, the government is forcing you to buy something from them at a price they determine with services they see fit. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:57, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: While I haven't read the entire 2000+ page proposed bill I apparently have read more of it than you. Clearly not, or else you'd know that the fine actually is just a tax penalty, and that the current draft of the Senate Finance Committee bill actually includes an explicit provision saying the exact opposite (i.e. you explicitly cannot be jailed for failure to pay this specific tax). http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/imprisoned-for-not-having-health-care/ Don't get me wrong, the bill still is a travesty, but that's because it doesn't go far enough in providing effective health care to tens of millions of Americans. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
Yup, in the past century, America stopped being the land of opportunity and became the land of guarantees. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Oh boy, here we go. Even more important is water and food. How about electricity, transportation, entertainment etc. etc. etc. NOTHING is a basic human right past opportunity. The CHANCE to make our own direction is all that God has given us. marlon - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 18:06, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Someone posted earlier that the health insurance industry is not truly run in a free market. It's failure is exactly due to this. Even after all the government rules and regulations, who in the USA does not have access to health care? I suppose we're taking fundamentally different approaches to the issue of health care. I don't see it as one that can (or should) be solved by the free market - as far as I'm concerned, it's a fundamental human right. No person, anywhere on this planet, should have to worry about things like money when it comes to basic health and wellness. The fact that even one American (or anyone else really, but this is a US-centric list) doesn't, in my mind represents a deep-rooted failure of the free market, and of basic human kindness and compassion. David Smith MVN.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles. I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected. -RickG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the financial burden of going to the hospital. I am more than happy to pay for extra medical services. Whatever those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy extra insurance riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands on top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle. Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to pay that extra tax to drive your car? Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much... ryan On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com wrote: Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper work. He said several times that 70% to 80% of the insurance premiums we pay go to the middle man and not to pay for the doctors services. My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Yes, we in South Florida have some of the highest insurance rates (all types of insurance). There are many reasons, non of them that make a great deal of sense to me, but I have heard all kinds of excuses... The original point was, Health Care Insurance is a necessity. Health Care Insurance should be a vital benefit, provided by an Employer whenever possible. Health Care Insurance is expensive So, How do you set up this benefit so that it makes sense for all (Employer
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
Rick, it seems like you've been mislead into thinking our government is still of the people, for the people. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance That's right - government cant be the answer. Your questions are viable. We need to speak up and many have but unfortunately either they are not listening or dont care. I've not found anyone that wants the government running health care or even an option. This includes many low wage earners I am acquainted with. So, I know where the people are who are against the bill but where are the proponents at? On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net wrote: Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles. I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected. -RickG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the financial burden of going to the hospital. I am more than happy to pay for extra medical services. Whatever those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy extra insurance riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands on top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle. Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to pay that extra tax to drive your car? Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much... ryan On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com wrote: Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper work. He said several times that 70% to 80% of the insurance premiums we pay go to the middle man and not to pay for the doctors services. My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private
Re: [WISPA] Grounding Dragonwave Horizon Compact
The shield on the STP cables that DragonWave supplies are grounded via the shielded RJ45 on the radio side, the shield is left ungrounded on the PoE side. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Grounding Dragonwave Horizon Compact We're installing a Dragonwave Horizon Compact system and I'm not quite sure how to ground it. First off, this unit has dual copper ethernets (1 for PoE/Data, 1 for Management). The unit is completely outside powered via PoE. We know how to ground the radio above, and the cat5 below at the PoE / Lightning Arrestor. What we don't know is what to do with the ethernet cable above. We're using the Belden 7919A outdoor shielded cable, as recommended by the Dragonwave Quick Reference Guide. Can someone tell me if the ethernet cables need to be grounded near the radio at the top of the tower? This is on a water tower, btw, and we have a ground cable going from the ground rod directly to the radio (#6, about 150'). Other side is on a high school rooftop, grounded directly to a rod (#6, about 200'). Again, not sure what to do with the radio-side cat5 cable. Any help would be appreciated, as we're to have this project completed by Friday and into testing phase. Thanks... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
Sounds like it to me but taxation without representation has been accepted for years. Any progressive tax system (like the US) with different rates for different incomes is taxation without representation. Governments can do whatever they want unless there's a sufficient number of objectors to revolt. Paul C Diem [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
