Re: [WISPA] RJ45 Connectors?

[Phil Curnutt]

We have moved up to Cat 6 with AC radios and am having good luck with the
Primus, who also have a Cat 5 version.

Phil

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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Phil Curnutt]

We have a four mile AF24 link that dropped, but not disconnect, in a heavy
snow a couple of weeks ago.  It was a very dense blizzard like storm.  I
could see it moving across the face of the Sangre de Cristo's from 20 miles
away where the sun was shinning bright.

Phil

On Friday, January 9, 2015, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:

 I haven't saw any issues yet with snow on my 3.2 mile af24 link but it
 drops and fails over to the back up MT link in heavy rain =.3/hr.  I
 posted some graphs a while back showing the traffic, signals, and rainfall
 rate during a storm.





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 My AirFiber 24’s are 3  5 miles here in the northern plains with no issue
 with the snow. Someone said snow is transparent and I’d agree, but the rain
 sure kicks us once in a while



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 Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front
 of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and
 possibly take down the link?

 Has anyone seen this

 We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime



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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Phil Curnutt]

There is a running debate in CA as to which came first, the town or the
translation. :')

Phil

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

   Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



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 www.aeronetpr.com
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   From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service

   Looking for 10 meg

  1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
 Manteca, CA 95337

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Phil Curnutt]

http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

A bit more insight.

Phil


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:43 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.comwrote:

 I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of untrained
 noobs waiting to happen..

 I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website
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 On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Isaac Wilder 
 isaac_li...@freenetworkmovement.org wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] OT computer issue

[Phil Curnutt]

Cold solder joint some where.

Phil

On Friday, February 21, 2014, Heith Petersen he...@mn-wireless.com wrote:
 I have a long standing customer that recently bought a PC from best buy.
He kept telling me he would lose signal from his Air Router. So he came to
my office and I set him up with a Pico station. Worked good at first then
failure. So I talked with him at night. His PC couldn't see the Pico 10
foot away but his phone and laptop were on it all the way across the house.
The room where this PC is in gets cold at times, but when he turns up the
heat it starts to work. Geek Squad said there is nothing wrong with the
box, but if he takes a hair dryer to his PC wireless starts to work after
it warms up wireless starts to work. Bad Motherboard?

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Re: [WISPA] Recommend Managed Switch

[Phil Curnutt]

We've been running a Cisco  WC2955T-12 outside in an unheated enclosure
(Northern New Mexico) for about three years with a hiccup.  It is only has
twelve ports, but is 24 VDC and good to -10C.  Also has a DIN mount.  Think
I found it used on line for about $800.

Phil




On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  How much are you looking to spend? direct DC switches are often very
 expensive, same for lower temp range ones. It may be cheaper to put a
 heater in an enclosure and run an indoor switch.


  *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
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   On 02/05/2014 01:05 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 These all look like indoor switches to me, are they OK at -20 or -30 C?

 Was hoping for outdoor rated and DC power, this box already has 24v and
 48v power.

 My issue with the CRS is it only apparently supports STP on a bridge
 interface which is CPU throughput limited. Also the switch functionality
 seems about half finished currently.

   On Feb 5, 2014 5:01 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Turn routing off in pfsense? Think there is a switch app for it too

  Or Cisco off eBay or have the guys at linkteks get the microtik working
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  On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.comwrote:

 He's looking for a switch, not a router.

  *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
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   On 02/05/2014 12:55 PM, timothy steele wrote:

 Build your self a a PFsense box the GUI is very easy and how to's all
 over the pfsense forums
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  On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Harold Bledsoe hbledso...@gmail.comwrote:

 Here's another option too:


 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SMC-EZ-Switch-SMCGS26C-Smart-switch-26-ports-managed-desktop-rack/3191553.aspx

  -Hal


 On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.comwrote:

  Not sure if it's outdoor temp rated, but for the price of an HP
 1810-24G v2 (around $250), you really can't go wrong. Very good feature
 sets, excellent prices.


 http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/networking/products/switches/HP_1810_Switch_Series/index.aspx#tab=TAB2

 Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
 :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

  On 02/05/2014 10:49 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 I am trying to set up a VLAN trunk between our office and tower over a
 60ghz gigabit link. I want to have all the tower APs and backhauls plugged
 in to a port at the tower and have them show up on a matching port in the
 office, one VLAN per port.

  I tried to do this with one of the new Mikrotik CRS but the
 configuration is incredibly clunky and I can't get it working. They also
 seem to be missing a few key features like STP.

  I need a switch that has:
 tag/untag traffic on access ports
 run STP/RSTP on two trunk ports for a primary and backup wireless link
 1 or preferably more SFP ports (gigabit link is fiber interface)
 min 16 copper gige ports
 outdoor temperature rated
 prefer runs on DC power

  Any suggestions? I've not done much with managed switches and VLANs
 before, so no idea what is out there.

  Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] be on the look out for this

[Phil Curnutt]

NPT servers that use Monlist?  What's that about?

Phil

On Friday, January 17, 2014, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:
 I would assume using NTP servers that do not use Monlist which are??

 On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:07 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


 What was the solution?


 - Original Message -
 From: Joe Miller
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 9:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] be on the look out for this

 We had a network outage yesterday afternoon, and thanks to Mike Francis
at JMF Solutions the problem went away. So, anyone who needs network help…I
would strongly recommend Mike Francis at JMF Solutions.



 Kudos to Mike Francis.



 http://threatpost.com/us-cert-warns-of-ntp-amplification-attacks/103573



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Re: [WISPA] be on the look out for this

[Phil Curnutt]

Just asking as we have been having trouble with our internal NTP server
knowing what day it is.

Phil

On Friday, January 17, 2014, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:
 Phil, it is a script which obtains IPs from NTP monitored data list. It
is easily hackable.
 See http://nmap.org/nsedoc/scripts/ntp-monlist.html


 On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote:

 NPT servers that use Monlist?  What's that about?

 Phil

 On Friday, January 17, 2014, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:
  I would assume using NTP servers that do not use Monlist which
are??
 
  On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:07 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:
 
 
  What was the solution?
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Joe Miller
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 9:24 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] be on the look out for this
 
  We had a network outage yesterday afternoon, and thanks to Mike
Francis at JMF Solutions the problem went away. So, anyone who needs
network help…I would strongly recommend Mike Francis at JMF Solutions.
 
 
 
  Kudos to Mike Francis.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] decoy tower

[Phil Curnutt]

The cell companies in California use them and they stick out like a sore
thumb.  Palm trees do not have straight vertical trunks.

Around here, Northern New Mexico, they use what is supposed to look like a
tall pine tree.  That doesn't work either as all our trees are short
Junipers and Pinons.  The tower looks more like an ICBM then a tree anyway.

Phil


On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:51 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

   Yes, it would. I am thinking a little farther south my friend LOL

  *From:* Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:03 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] decoy tower

 I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower
 :)

 On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote:

  Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with
 decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never
 seen one in person and we have a situation where we don’t really need one
 but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

[Phil Curnutt]

Granted that our model is way different then yours, we are a non-profit
member owned, volunteer operated, coop, but we give everybody 2 up and 2
down (now that we have an AirFiber backhaul) and are still scrambling to
keep up with the members usage (400 members covering 600 square miles).
And, they always want more.

Charging $30 a month.  Of course we only have one paid employee.  The folks
here in NM are happy to get that as their only alternative is dial-up or
satellite.  When CenturyLink finally moves into a neighborhood we actually
encourage new inquires to go with them as we still have tons of folks with
no options other then us.

It cost us about $30K every time we have to upgrade the backbone and back
haul and APs, but luckily we have enough time between upgrades to bank the
funds.

I don't know how you guys can make a profit.

Phil


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote:

 It's cut down in confusion. Oh yeah. 5 meg is x in town a but y in town b.

 And we don't do the upto game. So if you want 5 and can only get 3 we
 won't install you unless you'll take 3. We don't charge for packages folks
 can't get.

 Likewise this keeps our network happy since most links are pretty clean.

 On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:48, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
 wrote:


 That is a good idea

 Sent from my wy too expensive android mobile vzw 4gish device.

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 Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
 Date: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 9:34 PM


 What we have done is offer the same packages across the board. If you
 can't get at least the package you want we don't install you.

 On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:11, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

  We are getting to the point in a lot of our markets that we need to
 offer different speed packages. Issue being some markets, being 900 or
 slightly sub-par infrastructure, we wouldn’t be able to promote these
 packages across the board. Was curious if others are offering packages to
 different areas that would not be possible in some? And if so, do you get
 any backlash from those who cannot get those packages? Is it appropriate to
 offer extended packages to users on one tower when another tower down the
 road wouldn’t be capable of these packages? Its bad but we just offer a
 residential rate, no matter if that customer can get 1 meg down via Canopy
 900 or close to 10 meg on a UBNT SM. I have caught a little heat in an area
 where we fired up 900 about 4 years ago to a market that had only
 satellite. Then we hooked up a tower in a small town 4 miles away with UBNT
 M2 and news spread like wild fire. We went from 40 900 subs to about a
 dozen, and a pile of radios I don’t want to deploy again.  Shame on me for
 not offering the extended packages at that time for those wanting more
 bandwidth.

 I also have the area outside my home town that Century Link offers what
 they claim is 12 meg service, but it never gets close. I am constantly
 adding more sectors in these areas, Im getting to the point where I am
 adding UBNT to offload Canopy, then adding more UBNT to offload the UBNT
 that was offloading the Canopy, it gets to be a vicious circle. I am
 already $20 per month more than CL, not sure if a lot of customers would
 stay if I were to charge them more for what they are getting now. Once
 again shame on me. The bosses think the prices should be the same across
 the board, but technically performances cannot be matched across the board,
 plus Im running ragged satisfying existing customers when I should be
 looking at new areas, and start the vicious circle all over again LOL.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Demise?

[Phil Curnutt]

Didn't they partner with Tranzeo.  Seems like a bad move on both their
parts.

Phil


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM, lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 http://www.cellular-news.com/story/60986.php


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Re: [WISPA] Voltage regulator

[Phil Curnutt]

Meanwells are what TSI uses in their $800 unit to get the voltage from 120
to 24 for the batterys.

Phil


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com wrote:

 http://www.mini-box.com/DCDC-USB-200?sc=8category=1264

 On 07/15/2013 03:27 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
  I need a means to regulate the voltage coming out of the
  Solar Controller  I need a constant 24 volts for Tranzeo and Ubiquiti
  radios. I now have between 25 and 29 volts.
  Any suggestions?
  NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

[Phil Curnutt]

I have used one to go the other way, 48 VDC in to 24 VDC out, on a TSI
UPS/PowerSupply and it has worked flawlessly for 2 years in an outside
enclosure.

Phil


On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 Has anyone used one of these to 'upgrade' a site to 24VDC while keeping it
 24VDC?

 http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70069882#tab=specs



 On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote:

 That has been true, but it seems like the cell world has been moving to
 48V lately.
 Examples:
 Alvarion carrier WiMax (2.5Ghz), macro and micro uses 48V (maybe you can
 get it in 24V, the stuff I've seen has all been 48V)
 With packet optical, if you put a Cyan box in that uses 24V you
 need separate linecard spares as they aren't compatible with the 48V stuff
 in core.
 More microwave backhauls are at 48V. Newer all-outdoor ones are using
 POE+ / 802.3at which is 48V.
 Cisco ASR901S pole-mount routers output POE+ so you have one outdoor box
 to take your fiber and go to microwave to other sites.
 Most Ethernet switches are AC or -48DC.



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 On 4/6/2013 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they
  weren't always 48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems
  producing noise at 48v.

 The commercial wireless world (cell sites) is all 24 volt.  The wireline
 world is 48 volt.  So I can see why they would use 24 volts, but 48 is
 usually only for central office buildings, where there is no radio gear
 except, perhaps, some old-fashioned fixed microwave.  A handful of
 competitive players are doing microwave collocation in COs, but given
 the cost, a power converter would be the least of their worries.

 
 
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  - Original Message - From: Robert
  nos...@avantwireless.com To: paolo difrancesco
  paolo.difrance...@level7.it, WISPA General List
  wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:18:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
 
  Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
  less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
  customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
 
 
  On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
  Hi Josh
 
  I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a
  business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other
  vendors than a real technical need
 
  Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the
  site? Hum
 
  Thank you
 
 
  Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
 
  Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
  St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
 
  On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
  paolo.difrance...@level7.it
  mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:
 
  Hi all
 
  I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if
  somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Work

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CenturyLink is doing a lot of work in the Qwest areas they took over last
year.

Phil

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 I know of some guys looking for fiber work (boring, plowing, etc.) Could
 also run the fiber in the conduit.

 Where does one go to find that kind of work? What contacts do you have to
 make?

 They work for a company that did a bunch of BTOP work, but there hasn't
 been much follow-up business. It sounds like they're willing to travel to
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Re: [WISPA] 24 volt switch

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Cisco Catalyst 2955C.  12 port, 24 VDC power.

Phil

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 **
 What I have is 7 AP's  on a tower. I need to connect tnem a togeather as
 you would using a switch. Each AP has its own POE and power.
 NGL

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 *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:41 PM
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 Could you use a toughswitch?  Or Digital Loggers?

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 I need a 24 volt DC 8 port switch. I want to power it directly off the
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti and thunderstorm issue

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Had the same issue with a couple of radios two weeks back.  We contacted
Ubnt about it and RMA a radio to them.  Haven't heard back.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Arthur Stephens
arthur.steph...@ptera.netwrote:

 This has also occurred with NS2 and NSM365.
 The network is running really slow to no internet for customers after a
 lighting storm rolls thru. Ping an AP on the network and you get 2 reply
 then 2 timeouts 2 reply 2 timeouts repeatedly. Looking at the ARP table of
 the Mikrotik router for that network and one MAC is registered to a lot of
 ip addresses belonging to other equipment on the network (The device also
 announces that it owns the gateway also). Locate the device for that mac
 and log into that device, (keeping deleting the arp tables entries in order
 to get there) and Disable the LAN interface. I ARP stealing stops.
 Replacing the radio is the long term fix.
 This has happened quite a few times after lightning storms and across all
 the different devices made by Ubiquiti. Reloading or upgrading firmware has
 no effect. Today we had one on one network and two on a different network.
 With two of them it was even harder to fix. Had to MAC access deny the
 radios to get service restored on the network.

 Are we the only one with this issue? Has some one else had this issue and
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[WISPA] PPPoE and home router question

[Phil Curnutt]

We have recently started switching over to PPPoE on our network and are
having a devil of a time with home routers disconnecting and reconnecting.
 Have any of you using PPPoE found any particular router that works best on
your wireless network?

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Re: [WISPA] PPPoE and home router question

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There are a number of issues, this being one.  We are updating APs and
Backhaul at the same time, but this particular problem is on an updated
link and presaged the upgrade.  Plus the member I am working with is jacked
into the Backhaul and is only one hop from the pppoe server.

Phil



On Tuesday, February 28, 2012, Paolo Di Francesco 
paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:
 using pppoe in production since years (mikrotik/airos) no problem if well
configured

 One issue we had some years ago with airos but the bug is gone in the
last versions

 are you sure it's a pppoe issue and not something else, like link or
other things?

 Regards
 Paolo

 We have recently started switching over to PPPoE on our network and are
 having a devil of a time with home routers disconnecting and
 reconnecting.  Have any of you using PPPoE found any particular router
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[WISPA] Remote monitoring/ remote reboot

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Please send me some info.  Sounds like something we could use.

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[WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

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CPQ-19= AirGrid 2G20 HP
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[WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

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The two AirGrids are 16 and 20 dB.  The NanoStation Loco is 8 and the
NanoStation2 is 11.  Or you can stick a Bullet2M on anything.

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[WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

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We are making the switch from Tranzeo AP's and CPE's to Ubnt and have run
into a problem.  Seems that the Tranzeo CPE's don't play well with the Ubnt
AP's.  They will only bind when both are set to 20 Mhz and the Tranzeo CPE's
lose there connection after a period of time and need to be power cycled to
rebind to the Ubnt AP's.  Anybody else having these problems and are there
any work arounds?  I have tried several different configurations and updated
all to newest firmware, but no joy.

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

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The Tranzeo AP's are TR-6000 and the CPE's are mostly SL-2's, all with 5.0.7
firmware.

The Ubnt AP's are a Rocket 2M and a Bullet2HP and the CPE's are NanoStation
Loco's and AirGrid 2M's all with 5.3 firmware.

Phil

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote:

 Which UBNT AP are you using?  We have been running XR2's in MT boxes for
 a couple years with Tranzeo CPE's without any issues.  Works great with
 10Mhz channels.  Which Tranzeo CPE's and which firmware are you running?

 On 1/29/2011 8:07 AM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
  We are making the switch from Tranzeo AP's and CPE's to Ubnt and have
  run into a problem.  Seems that the Tranzeo CPE's don't play well with
  the Ubnt AP's.  They will only bind when both are set to 20 Mhz and the
  Tranzeo CPE's lose there connection after a period of time and need to
  be power cycled to rebind to the Ubnt AP's.  Anybody else having these
  problems and are there any work arounds?  I have tried several different
  configurations and updated all to newest firmware, but no joy.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

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I see from the Ubnt Forum that it seems to be a beacon problem that has
been an issue for over a year.

Phil

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Tranzeo AP's are TR-6000 and the CPE's are mostly SL-2's, all with
 5.0.7 firmware.

 The Ubnt AP's are a Rocket 2M and a Bullet2HP and the CPE's are NanoStation
 Loco's and AirGrid 2M's all with 5.3 firmware.

 Phil


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 Which UBNT AP are you using?  We have been running XR2's in MT boxes for
 a couple years with Tranzeo CPE's without any issues.  Works great with
 10Mhz channels.  Which Tranzeo CPE's and which firmware are you running?

 On 1/29/2011 8:07 AM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
  We are making the switch from Tranzeo AP's and CPE's to Ubnt and have
  run into a problem.  Seems that the Tranzeo CPE's don't play well with
  the Ubnt AP's.  They will only bind when both are set to 20 Mhz and the
  Tranzeo CPE's lose there connection after a period of time and need to
  be power cycled to rebind to the Ubnt AP's.  Anybody else having these
  problems and are there any work arounds?  I have tried several different
  configurations and updated all to newest firmware, but no joy.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

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Looks like that is what we are going to do as well, stick with the Tranzeo
AP's until the CPE's are all Ubnt's, then swap the AP's.  It will delay the
move to 10 Mhz channel width, but so it goes.

Phil

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yup! Thats the migration pattern I've been doing for over a year now.


 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
  wrote:

  Phil,

 Swap out the CPEs first, then you can swap the APs.   That is what I'm
 doing and it seems to be working very well.   The UBNT radios don't seem to
 have a problem associating to the older APs.   I use StarOS for the APs
 instead of Tranzeo, but that shouldn't make much difference.

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 mlar...@vistabeam.com

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 My Tranzeo CPE didnt like M radios. I've switched out most of my CPE to
 UBNT but where I didnt, I used regular Bullet's and Pico's as the Tranzeos
 work fine with those until I can get them swapped out with M radios.

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 We are making the switch from Tranzeo AP's and CPE's to Ubnt and have run
 into a problem.  Seems that the Tranzeo CPE's don't play well with the Ubnt
 AP's.  They will only bind when both are set to 20 Mhz and the Tranzeo CPE's
 lose there connection after a period of time and need to be power cycled to
 rebind to the Ubnt AP's.  Anybody else having these problems and are there
 any work arounds?  I have tried several different configurations and updated
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[WISPA] Non-compliant POE Injector/Power Controller

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Anybody know if one of these exist?  A combination of a Tycon Non Compliant
Mid-span injector and a Data Logger Ethernet Power Controller that will run
off of VDC input.  If some one doesn't make one, someone should.

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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

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Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make sure the
radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR, should be
about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped are the ones
furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged
and losing signal.

Phil

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes. Since you said  it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are connected to
 that AP. I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd swap it out
 with a known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be having
 some interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a
 cavity filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see?


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  Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
 NGL

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 swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.

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  I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1 has been dropping
 clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped 15 of 20 that
 are connected to that AP. I have rebooted the AP and some of the clients,
 with no success. I have no idea what is wrong. Now I see that 2 have come
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee

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$200

Phil

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Re: [WISPA] Should this happen? Probably not.

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Typical of antenna deterioration in a salt water environment.  Try grounding
them.  There could be electrolysis occuring.

Phil

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 acid rain ?

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  Wireless (Laird) whichever they are this year. This has been in service
  since 10/27/2007. The feedhorn rusted and snapped right off the grid.
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Re: [WISPA] Additional TVWS factors

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The gap between 6 and 7 is used by marine air search radar.  If you are on
the coast, you wouldn't want to be there.

Phil

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 wrote:

  I would use the interactive map rather than search by zip code. With the
 interactive map you can zoom in to the area of interest and then turn the
 specific channel contour maps on and off at will.  Much easier to visualize
 the availability than looking at that report. There is still some question
 in my mind about certain channels and the adjacent protections. For instance
 there is a jump in frequency between channels 13 and 14 of over 250 MHz. It
 would seem silly to have to protect adjacent channels between those two.
 There is a similar situation between channel 6 and 7.



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 Behalf Of *David Hannum
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:14 PM
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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Additional TVWS factors



 Is anyone consulting the database search tool on the Spectrum Bridge
 website?  Is it of any value?  Put in a zip code and it shows you all the
 channels and what is and is not available, and has a legend which includes
 the reason for any reserved ones.  Any comment on how accurate and/or
 valuable this is?



 Dave Hannum

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 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 wrote:

 At 9/25/2010 08:43 PM, BlairD wrote:

  3 and 4 are reserved...  where did you get this from???

 WWMT 3 was high power analog in Kalamazoo, MI

 WDIV 4 was high power analog in Detroit, MI

 There were many others...


 Yes, but because they were adjacent, only one of the two was in use in any
 given market.  Therefore it was a safe bet that one of the two would be
 white, and thus usable for the analog feed to a TV set.  So devices with
 analog TV output, ranging from VCRs to game consoles, usually have a switch
 to choose between channels 3 and 4.

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo

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Just installed one this week.  Nice interface, kind of like an EL-500, but
with different format.   A few more controlable parameters than the TR6
series.  My question is is this a new direction, a stop gap, or something
from Aperto?

Phil

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:20 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone tried the new Tranzeo EX-2's?
 http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/EX2

 On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe.

 On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to
 speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've
 never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing
 the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I
 get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :(
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

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I have found that happening most often on radio's that are daisy chained,
especially older ones.  Luckily as most of our radio's are on the roof's of
members there is someone there to power cycle them, or a call to some one on
the other side of it to power cycle it through the on site power
controller.  It also depends on how much traffic is going through them.

Phil

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote:

 How old are they and what models may answer be the answer to why the lock
 up when you change them. I've got one TR-5a that I know I should go to be
 able to power cycle it if I make a change, and it's a few years old.


 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:05:15 -0600

 I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming
 back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with
 AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not
 come back after making a change.
 
 Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or
 MT?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

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Gee, who'd think to ask the manufacturer.

Phil

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote:

 Just as an FYI folks,

 After seeing this thread I sent it to the Tranzeo guys and they taking a
 look at it. Please do, when you encounter issues such as these, report
 them to your vendor (regardless of brand). Getting a record, finding
 trends, etc. is the only way a vendor can uncover issues, then do root
 cause analysis and create fixes as necessary.

 I appreciate the value of seeking out list advice, but please remember
 to give your vendor a head's up too. Matt, et al, thanks for offering
 your advice. I passed those along as well.

 Cheers,

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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

  If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in
 PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up.   Newer firmware
 helps, but does not completely resolve this problem.   I ran in to this
 very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network.

 It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is
 quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot
 devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul.   Turn on the
 autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to
 make any more drives.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com

 On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
  I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not
 rebooting after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an
 AP.  Mikrotik AP to Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please:
 Models, Firmware, AP connecting to.
 
  (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)
 
  Steve Barnes
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  On Behalf Of Mark Dueck
  Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
 
  I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not
 coming back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is
 with AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will
 not come back after making a change.
 
  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem,
 or MT?
 
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Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?

[Phil Curnutt]

Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites.  It will run off
48VDC.  Five ports.

http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm

Phil

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition
 to having remote reboot capabilities?  Imagine this scenario.  You have DC
 running up a 400 foot tower.  You have a DCV switch at the top with DC
 POE’s.  The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a
 “distribution” block.  In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower.
  Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote
 management to reboot a single device?

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Re: [WISPA] no net but ping works

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Had a similar problem when testing UBNT's.  Seems they broadcast CDP's that
fill up Linksys router arp caches.  Rebooting the routers made problem go
away, but only temp.  Took the UBNT stuff off the network and all was well.
Also Brother printers can cause the same issue.  Try blocking interclient
traffic on the AP's: that helps as well.

Phil

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote:

 What firmware version on the SL2's ? There was an issue until the latest
 with number of connections or something, either in routed or bridged or
 both.

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[WISPA] Tranzeo EL-500ag

[Phil Curnutt]

Anybody using these and how do you like them?

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

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http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html

Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

 Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/

 Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
 and just pump water.

 There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
 are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.

 I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
 would have no problem having in their neighborhood.

 Friendly Regards,

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  -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
 Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
 Fred:
 
 I have some poles on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
 would
 be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
 keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

 You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
 install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
 too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
 best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
 practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
 problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.

 Friendly Regards,
 
 Mike
 
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 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203
 m...@aweiowa.com
 
 
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 Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
 Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
 
 A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
 farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
 cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
 the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
 is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
 cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
 additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
 and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
 
 Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
 arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
 the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
 big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
 installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
 someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
 setup with us too.  Thanks.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Phil Curnutt]

I believe with lightning protection, mounting hardware and off set arms,
around $1200.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote:

 How much for a 17.5 ?

 On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote:
  http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
 
  Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
 
  Phil
 
  On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 
  Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
 
  Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned
  windmill
  and just pump water.
 
  There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the
  blades
  are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to
 climb.
 
  I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree
 huggers
  would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
 
  Friendly Regards,
 
  Mike
   -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
 
  At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
  Fred:
  
  I have some poles on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
  would
  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
   to
  keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
 
  You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
  install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
  too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
  best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
  practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
  problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
 
  Friendly Regards,
  
  Mike
  
  Mike Gilchrist
  Disruptive Technologist
  Advanced Wireless Express
  P.O. Box 255
  Toledo, IA   52342
  239.770.6203
  m...@aweiowa.com
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
  
  A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
  farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
  cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
  the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
  is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
  cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
  additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
  and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
  
  Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
  arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
  the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
  big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
  installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
  someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
  setup with us too.  Thanks.
  
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Phil Curnutt]

The anchor kit is L-bolts into concrete filled holes.  The 17.5' tower
weights 60 pounds plus mast (20lbs for the alum) and antennas.  Four three
foot holes, six inches in diameter hold two 80 lb bags of concrete; that's
620 lbs holding it down.  Of course three foot holes here in New Mexico are
a chore, so a tractor with a 4 auger into a hole prepped with a power
washer is a necessity, but you guys out there with that deep top soil
shouldn't have to much of a problem.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I would love to see that around here...


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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around
 here


 Mike wrote:

 No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
 tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
 customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
 months back.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

   Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

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 On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:


  Fred:

 I have some poles on my network.  They are hard to climb and service


  would


  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
 keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
 Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
 farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
 cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
 the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
 is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
 cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
 additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
 and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

 Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
 arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
 the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
 big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
 installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
 someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
 setup with us too.  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Inscape Data LPS 1000

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http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote:

 Does anyone know any dealers that carry this unit, I've been struggling
 to get a couple through quicklink for the past few weeks, need to find a
 different supplier I think.

 Regards
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[WISPA] Service in South West Oregon

[Phil Curnutt]

Anybody service the Medford, Grants Pass, Rogue River Vally area?

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Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

[Phil Curnutt]

Joe's Network Utility.

Phil

2010/3/11 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net

I really have no desire to run SSH server on a phone.  Sounds cool, but
 not ran across a practical purpose for it.

Have an APP that does video quite well.

Multitasking might be nice.

The thing you run into is you have to keep the OS at the same level
 until the new OS is broken.
 --
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 http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog



 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:41:34 -0500
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

 Videos?
 Multitasking?
 Ssh server?

 On 3/11/10, Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net wrote:
  The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is
 being
  able to tether it.   Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the
 store.
 
  Justin
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  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:14:45 -0500
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
 
  Do yourself a favor, just jailbreak it now. You're wasting time with
  that phone until it's jailbroken.
 
  I can't stand the phone and even I know that.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
  continue that counts.²
  --- Winston Churchill
 
 
 
  On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org
  wrote:
  I use pterm for SSH access to my Cisco routers. I purchased it some
 time
  ago
  and there may be better programs out there now.
 
 
  At 3:54 PM -0600 3/11/10, Data Technology wrote:
 I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh
 app for the iPhone.
 I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something
 like because I don't have an iPhone.
 
 But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app.
 
 I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. ?I know that $7.99
 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't
 mind spending the money. ?This also appears to have a vnc client as
 well.
 
 Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP
 operations would be appreciated.
 
 LaRoy McCann
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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor mesh, has anyone seen any work well?

[Phil Curnutt]

Open-mesh.  Don't know how well it will work, but it is cheap enough for a
test and then we'll all know.  A few sites scattered  up the canyon and see
it they connect.  A couple of hundred bucks.

Phil

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 We charge 40/mo and do not charge different rates for being remote.

 The fact is, nearly all our customrs you would consider remote if you're
 a
 suburban or urban WISP.The investment isn't the issue here.   Finding
 what WORKS and making up two or three options to study is what I’m
 interested in.

 So far, I've proposed:

 1.  Creating a co-op for the area, and they put in a fiber backbone through
 part of the canyon, which we then distribute to the homes with short-range
 wireless.   I have no interest in fiber to the house, as it would be
 absurdly costly.
 2.  Doing a series of short-hop 2.4 and longer-hop 900 repeaters,
 strategically located on reachable places.There are, for instance,
 some open shots from certain spots that'll get you a 1/2 mile in the open
 for 5 gig.   Other places are so dense that a 1/4 mile at 900 will be iffy.
 3.  Some kind of mesh setup...

 1.  Elegant but costly and the logistics and likelyhood of getting a rural
 community together to fund it is... eeehhh...   Iffy.
 2.  Workable, but lots of points of failure to reach the farthest customers
 and still not cheap.
 3.   Theory is that this is what mesh is made for, I just don't know of any
 implementations (No, Jim, I will not use MT, I hated it when you sold it to
 me and still do).

 Renting hillsides and putting in alternative powered repeaters...   a
 nightmare.   This place often faces WEEKS of fogged in/snowed in / rained
 in
 winter where you simply run out of solar power.   Because of its terrain
 and
 location, certain times of the winter will face prolonged inversions of fog
 and low clouds.A repeater to GET there in the first place will be bad
 enough, and it has clear horizons for sun and a ridge for wind.
 Theoretically, we can put in mass solar panels and storage to overcome it,
 but the cost, along with trying to site such volumes of equipment on a
 hillside gets out of hand real fast.

 So, this is why I’m asking about mesh.

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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:50 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor mesh, has anyone seen any work well?

  Maybe - but it depends on the customer count.  For 5 people you would
  to charge ~100/mo each for access to get somewhere.  For 30 you can do
  ~50/mo and be very happy.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
  continue that counts.”
  --- Winston Churchill
 
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jerry Richardson
  jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
  Sounds like a good place to lose alot of money.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:41 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 
  I just got a call from a remote community, this is in the
  mountains so to
  speak.   It's actually a canyon with a river in the middle and
  houses on
  both sides.   It's not straight, and there's trees galore.In other
  words, longest distance with 2.4 is going to be not  very far.
 
  But, there's a lot of people here, equivalent of a small town, and
  no other
  broadband, and only some of them could even use satellite, which
  they all
  seem to hate.The populated area that's in this valley/canyon is
  spread
  over about 6 miles, the first 3 of which is open enough to use more
  conventional wireless setups.   The last 3 miles, the canyon has
  bends and
  narrow spots, and vastly more trees.
 
  So, I got to thinking that an outdoor mesh might work for part of
  this, but
  I have yet to read of any truly successful outdoor meshes -
  especially that
  can deliver a large amount of bandwidth.
 
  Anyone?
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Great marketing

[Phil Curnutt]

Back when I worked in the photo industry (back when there was one) I was
driving my service van out in Palm Springs and got hauled in by the city
business license inspector for doing business in the city without one.  Some
times it pays to fly under the radar.

Phil

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 On all of our trucks I just have the business name with no phone number or
 anything else. But we are big enough around here everyone knows our name
 and
 they just look it up in the phone book I guess.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Blake Bowers
 Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:12 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Great marketing

 I was out running around some new tower sites, I think I was on I70
 between Ft Riley and Topeka.

 I passed a red pickup truck, with big signs on the rear and sides, that
 said

 RURAL INTERNET PROVIDER.

 Thats it.

 Nothing more.

 No phone number, no name, no nothing.

 At the risk of offending someone on the list who owns that pickup, what is
 the point?


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Re: [WISPA] test

[Phil Curnutt]

V

Phil

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:

 ha ha


 heres a test

 ... _ _ _ ...

 wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real
 fast ;-)



 On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

  Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests.  I didn't
  even
  know there was going to be a test..  This sucks.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] noise floor.... going up!

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I wouldn't let PETA hear about that.

Phil

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 I've converted my cat to being a mobile hot spot.  I used a couple of UBNT
 Picos, 4 9 volt batteries and changed out the firmware with DD-WRT.  Have
 it
 all on him like saddle bags.  He roams the neighborhood accepting online
 signups.  The range is okay, he only goes about a half a mile to a mile and
 the signal comes and goes but hey, he's paying his way.  We call the
 service
 Cat5 but his name is really Steve.



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 Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:22 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] noise floor going up!


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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids

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Fooled me.

Phil

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote:

 Looks like metal, but it is just plastic painted silver. A feed encased
 in metal would not work.

 Phil Curnutt wrote:
  The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic.  The 2.4's are plastic.
 
  Phil
 
  On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Probably so.  The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy.  I'm always afraid to
 put
  too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking
 like
  it's not exactly sealed much.  I always imagine the thing coming apart
 in
  my
  hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end.
 
  Bob-
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Scott Reed
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
 
  Not just the icing.
  In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes.
  When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72.  When we
  took them down, we were getting -80.  The dishes are getting -69.  This
  was 2 links, changing just one end.  We had a similar problem last
  January.  Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow
  over time.
 
  Robert West wrote:
 
  Oh, thanks!  I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this
 
  summer.
 
  Now I have all this to look forward to.  Sigh
 
  :)
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
 
  I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too.
 
  Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently.
 
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
 
 
 
  We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or
 900.
  Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is.
 
  We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8.
 
 
  On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote:
 
 
  I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are
  developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought
 in
  some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then
  then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other
  Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our
 experiences
  with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference.
 
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids

[Phil Curnutt]

I've got five in the back of the truck.  I'll check it out.

Phil

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Me too!

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Phil Curnutt
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids

 Fooled me.

 Phil

 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote:

  Looks like metal, but it is just plastic painted silver. A feed encased
  in metal would not work.
 
  Phil Curnutt wrote:
   The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic.  The 2.4's are plastic.
  
   Phil
  
   On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West 
 robert.w...@just-micro.com
  wrote:
  
  
   Probably so.  The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy.  I'm always afraid
 to
  put
   too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking
  like
   it's not exactly sealed much.  I always imagine the thing coming apart
  in
   my
   hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end.
  
   Bob-
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
   Behalf Of Scott Reed
   Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
  
   Not just the icing.
   In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2'
 dishes.
   When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72.  When we
   took them down, we were getting -80.  The dishes are getting -69.
  This
   was 2 links, changing just one end.  We had a similar problem last
   January.  Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow
   over time.
  
   Robert West wrote:
  
   Oh, thanks!  I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this
  
   summer.
  
   Now I have all this to look forward to.  Sigh
  
   :)
  
  
  
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   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
   Behalf Of Josh Luthman
   Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
  
   I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too.
  
   Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently.
  
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   Direct: 937-552-2343
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   On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
  
  
  
   We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or
  900.
   Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is.
  
   We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8.
  
  
   On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote:
  
  
   I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are
   developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I
 brought
  in
   some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse
 then
   then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other
   Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our
  experiences
   with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference.
  
   Regards
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids

[Phil Curnutt]

The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic.  The 2.4's are plastic.

Phil

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Probably so.  The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy.  I'm always afraid to put
 too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like
 it's not exactly sealed much.  I always imagine the thing coming apart in
 my
 hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end.

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Reed
 Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids

 Not just the icing.
 In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes.
 When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72.  When we
 took them down, we were getting -80.  The dishes are getting -69.  This
 was 2 links, changing just one end.  We had a similar problem last
 January.  Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow
 over time.

 Robert West wrote:
  Oh, thanks!  I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this
 summer.
  Now I have all this to look forward to.  Sigh
 
  :)
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
 
  I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too.
 
  Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
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  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
 
 
  We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900.
  Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is.
 
  We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8.
 
 
  On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote:
 
  I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are
  developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in
  some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then
  then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other
  Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences
  with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference.
 
  Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

[Phil Curnutt]

Try a pencil erasure.

Phil

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

 OxGard works too!  They usually have that at Menards.  Electrical
 supply house will have NoAlOx.

 At 04:10 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote:
 Well boy, ya learned me something!  I honestly never heard of NoAlOx
 before.
 Looked it up, looks good.  I'll have to pick some up for other things as
 well, looks like.
 
 Bob-
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike
 Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors
 
 Bob:
 
 The fingers are gold plated and won't corrode either.  When you're
 cleaning them, and since they were outside unprotected, get your
 close up goggles on and use a toothpick to make sure there is
 nothing in the space between the fingers.
 
 I actually have some ancient silver N right angle adapters that are
 black, not silver.  I use them on various radios in my shack.  They
 work just fine.  I do like to put just a little bit NOT MUCH NoAlOx
 or equivalent on the female threads when I put them back
 together.  Silver connectors are more susceptible to mechanical
 loosening from thermal changes than the nickle silver ones.  Get em tight!
 
 Mike
 
 At 03:55 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote:
  I never would have guessed silver though.  Someone mentioned that
 earlier
  too.  At first it looked like rubber tape residue but it had me
 scratching
  me head since boy never put any cables on them.  Makes perfect sense
 though.
  They will probably be okay, I just didn't want to attack them with the
 steel
  wool or whatever and screw up what seem to be very nice sectors.
  
  Bob-
  
  
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  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Mike
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:47 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors
  
  I read black stuff, not corrosion.  If they are silver connectors,
  then it's silver oxide and NOT a problem.
  
  In the old days all, and now only the best equipment still use silver
  connectors.  Just like an old dime will turn black once it has skin
  oils on it, so will a silver connector.  Neither of them is hurt by the
  patina.
  
  Mike
  
  At 03:29 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote:
   2009/12/7 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com:
 If it were me?

 Toss em and start over.

 Not worth the trouble.  Once corrosion starts it's hard to stop it.
 marlon
   
   He could always solder new N connectors to the antenna element, and be
   good as new. The Andrew sectors are a good unit, it'd be a shame to
   toss em.
   
   
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

[Phil Curnutt]

Used them all the time on UHF and VHF equipment back in the day.  Matter of
fact it was taught at my tech school; USCG.

Phil

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:33 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was taught in tech school that pencil erasers give off an acid that can
 damage the contacts. Who knows if it's true.

 Greg

 On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

  Try a pencil erasure.
 
  Phil
 
  On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 
  OxGard works too!  They usually have that at Menards.  Electrical
  supply house will have NoAlOx.
 
  At 04:10 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote:
  Well boy, ya learned me something!  I honestly never heard of NoAlOx
  before.
  Looked it up, looks good.  I'll have to pick some up for other things
 as
  well, looks like.
 
  Bob-
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Mike
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:05 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors
 
  Bob:
 
  The fingers are gold plated and won't corrode either.  When you're
  cleaning them, and since they were outside unprotected, get your
  close up goggles on and use a toothpick to make sure there is
  nothing in the space between the fingers.
 
  I actually have some ancient silver N right angle adapters that are
  black, not silver.  I use them on various radios in my shack.  They
  work just fine.  I do like to put just a little bit NOT MUCH NoAlOx
  or equivalent on the female threads when I put them back
  together.  Silver connectors are more susceptible to mechanical
  loosening from thermal changes than the nickle silver ones.  Get em
 tight!
 
  Mike
 
  At 03:55 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote:
  I never would have guessed silver though.  Someone mentioned that
  earlier
  too.  At first it looked like rubber tape residue but it had me
  scratching
  me head since boy never put any cables on them.  Makes perfect sense
  though.
  They will probably be okay, I just didn't want to attack them with the
  steel
  wool or whatever and screw up what seem to be very nice sectors.
 
  Bob-
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Mike
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:47 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors
 
  I read black stuff, not corrosion.  If they are silver connectors,
  then it's silver oxide and NOT a problem.
 
  In the old days all, and now only the best equipment still use silver
  connectors.  Just like an old dime will turn black once it has skin
  oils on it, so will a silver connector.  Neither of them is hurt by
 the
  patina.
 
  Mike
 
  At 03:29 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote:
  2009/12/7 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com:
  If it were me?
 
  Toss em and start over.
 
  Not worth the trouble.  Once corrosion starts it's hard to stop it.
  marlon
 
  He could always solder new N connectors to the antenna element, and
 be
  good as new. The Andrew sectors are a good unit, it'd be a shame to
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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS

[Phil Curnutt]

Try this.
http://www.carebase.com/pdf-specifications/Dc-output-Outdoor-UPs-8013-8014-115vac-or-230vac-48vdc-96W-NEMA-3R-enclosure.pdf

Phil

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

 Just saw this.  Sorry.
 http://www.provantage.com/cyberpower-systems-cs24c12v2-e~7CYPR047.htmhttp://www.provantage.com/cyberpower-systems-cs24c12v2-e%7E7CYPR047.htm


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  Jayson,
 
  Do you have the model numbers on these? I need 48v output.
 
  Regards
  Michael Baird
   APC and Cyberpower makes some.  12V or 48V output.  Outdoor mounted.
  AC
   power input.
   We used them for a FTTH project once.
  
   On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote:
  
  
   Michael,
   These systems are powered by POE.
   Not sure if that works for you.
   http://tyconpower.com/products/systems.htm
  
   Scott
  
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   Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:13 PM
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   Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS
  
   Looking for recommendations on an Outdoor UPS, not concerned about a
   long run time, just to handle the occasional blips. Form factor and
   mounting considerations are one of the main concerns with this
 install.
   Will be fed by AC power, but it can distribute as a single AC or DC
   feed, something that can do 100-250 watts would probably be fine.
  
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[WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

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Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to
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Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors

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Where can you buy the CTB-15?

Phil

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote:

 I been getting my EZ connectors from Tessco since 1999/2000

 -Cameron

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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors

 Every one I've bought from tessco and Butch has been good.  Only water
 problems were dishes I didn't put up - sealer is your friend.

 On 11/19/09, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:
  ez240 ez400 ??  What size cable, What connector on the end (N-Male)?
  I've got a bunch of ez240 and a few ez400 N Male
 
 
  Marco
 
  On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 wrote:
 
  I've run out of these, and none of the vendors I use commonly carry
 them.
  Anyone out west have these?
 
  Yeah, I know, it costs more to buy two of these than a whole
 pre-built 10
  foot cable, but every danged pre-built I buy has water issues.
 
  We have never had to seal any of the cables we built ourselves, and
 none
  of
  them have ever leaked (except when someone who'll forever remain
 nameless
  forgot to tighten the cable...), but I have no luck at all with the
  pre-made
  I've bought from multiple places.   Our temporary site needed to go
 up in
  a
  real hurry, so I bought a whole pile of parts and cables, and most of
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[WISPA] vlan tagging/trunking

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Anybody out there using Vlan tagging to segment their network?  Right now we
are running unrouted level 1 with fixed IP's and starting to see a lot of
bandwidth being eaten up with broadcast packets.  Vlan tagging and trunking
seems to be an easy way to segment, but we can't seem to wrap our heads
around how to impliment.  The easiest way seems to be tagging at the edge
and then assigning switch ports along the way to direct traffic to and from
the gateway router, but then someone says no you need to trunk from the
router to the switchs.

Any thoughts?

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Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have

[Phil Curnutt]

I don't care how much they cost.  One crimp, gone.

Phil

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:03 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote:

 I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling if
 you got the right color wire in the right hole.  Sometimes finding that
 stripe on the white can be difficult:  http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo


 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
 
 But you're missing the point.
 Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard
 CAT5s
 effectively.
 But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other
 costs.
 The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs,
 comparing
 both types.
 The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs.
 
 What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and
 the
 link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the
 cable
 had the bad crimp?
 A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and replace
 it.
 I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into
 the
 city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by defective
 CAT5 plug terminations.
 But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the
 defective
 packloss link trying to find what was wrong.
 
 I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( .
 The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is
 going
 down.
 
 The question to ask is are the installers having to high a failure
 rate
 for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment.
 As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the
 extra
 $100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful
 crimpts
 the first time.
 I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra $100
 in
 time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake.
 
 For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value
 of
 Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there.  I personally like to
 use
 the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen.
 Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much easier
 and
 successful.
 
 I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole
 diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that
 they'll
 slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to.
 (Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the
 Jack,
 due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely.
 
 I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept
 loosing
 the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that
 would
 be incomplete set.
 
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
 
 
  At 200/mo you'd need at least one more customer per month.   Don't see
  this happening by speeding up rj45 connectors.
 
  On 10/18/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
  These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my
 installers...
  but
  $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra
 $200
  per month just in connectors. :(
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Mike wrote:
 
  They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050
Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com
 
 
  At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
 
 
  Yeah, those are awesome.  I wish they had shielded connectors as
 well.
 
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have
 
 
 
 
  I have learned a lot from this list.  I think there is some real
  talent lurking here.  We all have discovered certain things which
  just make life as a WISP easier.  I think it would be beneficial
 to
  list participants in general if there was a thread which contained
 a
  description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware,
  software etc ... you would like to share with the group.
 
  I'll start:
 
  what: EZRJ-45 connector system
  where: www.ezrj45.com
  why:  As my eyes get older, and especially in low light
 situations, I
  find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a
  CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end.  This is a
 quite
  ingenious system.  The plugs have holes all the way through.  You
 can
  verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the
  tags.  It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades
 that
  cut the tags as it crimps the connector in 

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

[Phil Curnutt]

We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing
traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage.   So we are looking
for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter.
Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have
tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have
put a higher power radio in them now.  Our critical hops range from seven
miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile
range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a
variety of situations.  Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave.

Phil

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote:

 Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3
 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio.
 What questions would you like answered?

 - Matt

 Phil Curnutt wrote:
  Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

[Phil Curnutt]

We have looked at Mikrotik in the pass as an AP, but the learning curve is
to steep for our volunteer organization.

Phil

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Josh,

 What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput?

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

 Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik?  I have been
 really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote:

  We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with
 increasing
  traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage.   So we are
 looking
  for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less
 jitter.
  Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have
  tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have
  put a higher power radio in them now.  Our critical hops range from seven
  miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen
 mile
  range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a
  variety of situations.  Sounds like you are pretty happy with the
 Ligowave.
 
  Phil
 
  On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
  wrote:
 
   Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3
   links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio.
   What questions would you like answered?
  
   - Matt
  
   Phil Curnutt wrote:
Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's?
   
Phil
   
   
   
  
 

 
 
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[WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

[Phil Curnutt]

Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's?

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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[Phil Curnutt]

We found a few years back that 40 CPE's/Mb was pushing the limit, but that
was before Video streaming, Voip, Utube, Facebook, MySpace, etc.   We have
340 CPE's using DS-3 fiber and peak at around 17 Mbps in the afternoon when
everyone gets home from work.

Phil

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 It's going to be different ratios with the different bandwidth
 packages and what your customer base is.

 100 farmers bandwidth is the same as 1 wow player for example.

 On 9/12/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
  We have approximately 1200 customers and over 150MBit of available BW,
  peaking at around 35-40MB.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Robert West
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:03 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
 
  I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using
  for
  customer vs. available bandwidth?  We aren't experiencing any problems
  at
  the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add
  capacity.
  Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it
  and
  if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really
  jerky
  on the download and uploads.  So..  What is a good REAL WORLD ratio
  that
  you use that is smooth?
 
  Thanks!
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair

[Phil Curnutt]

We have over 600 hundred Tranzeo's installed as AP's, CPE's and Backhaul.
So far our biggest problem has been lightening, but no problem with water
unless someone left off the black thingy and tried to seal it with RTV.
Of course we are in New Mexico where it only rains 12 inchs a year, but
usually all at once.

The newer radios have screws around the enclosure and a less adhesive
sealent, so they are much easier to open.  Although a good filet knife
worked well with the old ones.

Phil
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Everything just hates me it seems :(

 On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote:
  This is true for me as well. I haven't seen a seal fail, and I do not
  over-tighten the nuts. However, I HAVE had several fail after hail
  knocks a hole in the top of the cover, and then over time, water is
  funneled into the radio.  I have found a couple of radios that were half
  full of water (or more) before they failed. Leaving the bottom loose may
  help, so that the water can get out, rather than building up to the
  point where it can get into the radio through the ethernet port.
 
 
  Bill Gaylord wrote:
  I am in Northern Michigan and have never seen it either.  If you make
  sure you do not over-tighten so that the seal is not deformed, it works
  fine.  Also, leaving the bottom one a little loose, does not hurt
  either.  We have over 500 in the field.
 
  Bill Gaylord, COO
  COLI Inc
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast

[Phil Curnutt]

Tom,  I've been looking at OpenMesh to do the same thing outside, but can't
wrap my head around the Dashboard being outside the network.  Hit me off
list if you wish to share.

Phil Curnutt, LCWireless, Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote:

 We've used Openmesh and Meraki products to extend the coverage of our
 Qnodes
 inside concrete buildings, basements, etc. These are single-radio devices,
 so the bandwidth is only adequate for surfing and email. But they work
 great
 and are dirt cheap, we just hook up one of them to the ethernet port of our
 radio and hop the signal to where it's needed.

 Tom Sharples

 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:56 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast


 I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current
  ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I
  have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough
  signal,
  and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless
  repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on
  those
  is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access

[Phil Curnutt]

Get the CPE2000 Locator from the Tranzeo website.

Phil

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/7/17 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
  I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any
  tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and
  sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?).

 This is what happens to misbehaving Tranzeo radios that don't do what
 I tell them. Please take note.

 http://www.gonzorock.com/gallery/v/Jeremy/TranzeoReset/IMG00586.jpg.html



 
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Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?

[Phil Curnutt]

Separate the runs from each other by at least 12 inchs and if they cross
make it at a 90 degree angle.  That is standard NSC spec for isolating
secure lines from crosstalk, but works for any kind of spurious radiation.
Shielded cable will work as well but this will be a quick fix.

Phil

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 I've seen this happen too.  It's funny, if we plug the computer right into
 the radio it goes away.  Use a router and it's back.

 We're just going to replace the cat 5 with shielded cable and see what
 happens.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: e...@wisp-router.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?


  Yes that would be ethernet. Gets some cable ferrules and put on the
  ethernet right next to the radio another right at the exit from the poe
  and another right as cat5 cable goes into poe and finally one right where
  the cat5 cable goes into switch and computer.
 
  Might also consider using heavy outdoor rated shielded cat5 cabling
  between poe and unit.
 
  /Eje
  Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
 
  Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:56:12
  To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?
 
 
  Has anyone else here ever been co-located on a tower with a HAM radio
  (144-148mhz) VHF repeater or perhaps even a commercial system in the
  150mhz
  band and gotten complaints that your Ethernet cable is causing them
  interference on their repeater? We are trying to locate the source of
  noise
  on an amateur radio repeater system locally and last time I went up on
  grain
  leg there was a whole lot of Ethernet cabling strung everywhere and I've
  read some links such as these. http://www.hamuniverse.com/linksys.html
  that
  apparently some brands of equipment give out much more spurious emissions
  than others.
 
 
 
  Also how did you work with the radio people to solve it? Seems to only be
  apparent in the VHF band.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Kurt Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  P.O. Box 126
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter

[Phil Curnutt]

Used a Praxsym just last weekend.  Had an AP lose half of its signal over
night.  Put the Praxsym between the radio and the antenna.  Forward power
23dB, not the radio.  SWR 6, should have been 1.5.  Put up a new antenna
and moved on down the road.  Took more time to replace the omni than figure
out it was the problem.

Phil

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:47 AM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.comwrote:

 Get the Praxsym quad band meter if you do 900, 2.4 and 5Ghz

 Chris Cooper
 Intelliwave

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:43 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter

 Kurt,

 Forget the Bird.  We banged our heads too much with those.  besides they

 are too bulky and not really for microwave IMHO.

 Bet one of these:

 http://www.praxsym.com/t-meter.htm

 We have two and they save us a poop load of troubleshooting time.  They
 are about $1k each but they are well worth it.

 Bob



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  Does anyone have any experience with a Bird 43 wattmeter at 2.4ghz? I
 have
  the bird 43 and am considering buying the 1 watt slug for it. This
 thing is
  going to measure the average power instead of the peak power. Should
 the
  Bird 43P (peak and avg) wattmeter be better suited for this
 application
  since it can measure the peak wattage?
 
 
 
  I just don't know what I need to be measuring in the WIFI application,
 the
  peak or average???
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] tower issue

[Phil Curnutt]

It looks just like you described.  Get a spectrum analyzer or a wi-spy and
check it out.  Chances are though you won't be there when it is happening.

Phil

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day  night. Interesting to
 contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a
 tower?
 -RickG

 On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

  Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are.
  This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing.
 
  /Eje
  Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
  -Original Message-
  From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 
  Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44
  To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue
 
 
  I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's
  related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since
  2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several
 others
  with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural
  locations
  so I doubt there is any interference.
 
  -RickG
 
  On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 o...@odessaoffice.com
  wrote:
 
   Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are
 usually
  a
   great big no no.  They tend to send more signal UP than in the
 direction
  of
   the customers.
  
   I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal.  You'll
 probably
   find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal.
  
   laters,
   marlon
  
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   Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM
   Subject: [WISPA] tower issue
  
  
OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!)
   
One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid
 for
backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections.
On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it
  would
not
allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :(
So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a
  usual
but
I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can
   ping
the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my
backup
but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the
   same.
I
then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio
 card.
Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One
 note:
occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came
 back
normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of
 course,
you
know what will happen the next time I reboot.
   
Any ideas???
   
-RickG
   
   
   
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] test

[Phil Curnutt]

And it went through.

Phil

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  I've sent several replies to the list today and none of them have shown
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[WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Phil Curnutt]

Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?

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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

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Thanks guys.  I'll be making some calls tomorrow.

Phil

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs 
dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

 Man, I have seen some small WISPs, doing their second tower, buy all of
 the stuff, and not know they screwed up the UFL or something stupid like
 that.  Then they can't afford to replace the failed 5 bucks, due to the
 cost of the tower climb.!

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 Josh Luthman wrote:
  There you go, Dennis makes life easier for the WISP admins :)
 
  On 2/9/09, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
 
  Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.
 
  Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations
  before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and
  finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another
  tower climb!  Why we test everything before they ship!
 
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 partly
  because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping
  arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs
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Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

[Phil Curnutt]

Raise your antenna.  The fresnel at 2.9 miles is around 30 odd feet.  Your
trees are probably not that tall, so get above them.

Phil

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:40 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Feb 5, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Isn't this controlled by the frequency like 900, 2.4, 5.8?  I wasn't
  aware
  that a higher gain antenna would widen the beam.


 The higher gain is achieved by focusing the power into a smaller area.

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[WISPA] CDPv1

[Phil Curnutt]

Anyone know what the purpose of a CDPv1 broadcast is and why do Ubiquiti PS2
and NS2 use them?

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Re: [WISPA] CDPv1

[Phil Curnutt]

Ok, now we know what it is and does.  Our network currently is primarily
Tranzeo AP's, CPE's and backhaul with Linksys routers behind the CPE's.
Recently a half of dozen Ubnt units have been installed and concurrent with
these installations we have been experiencing ARP table corruption in both
the Linksys routers and the backhaul Tranzeo's.  Could this be caused by the
CDPv1 broadcasts from the Ubnt's?

Phil

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:48 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 If you look on a MikroTik in it's neighbor list you will be able to not
 only see other MikroTiks but also Cisco units as well Ubnt units since the
 Neighbor viewer solution uses the CDP protocol. Helpful to allow you to
 discover a lost units ip etc. Pretty cool under used tool that many are
 not aware of and is actually cross platform at least with Cisco and Ubnt.

 /Eje
 --Original Message--
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 ReplyTo: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] CDPv1
 Sent: Jan 24, 2009 11:23

 IIRC mikrotik uses that for its winbox/mac telnet availability broadcasts.
  Perhaps ubnt does something similar in AirOS?  If you check cdp on a cisco
 switch you can discover quite a bit of detail on all the mikrotiks
 connected to it.

 Randy Cosby
 *sent from my tmobile dash*


 -Original Message-
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 Subject: [WISPA] CDPv1

 Anyone know what the purpose of a CDPv1 broadcast is and why do Ubiquiti
 PS2
 and NS2 use them?

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