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[WISPA] 900Mhz amplification?
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RE: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?
Credits are always given when we are in the wrong or if we have a bug or so. As for refund we rarely do and if it comes to that we are the ones who initiate this. The worst thing is to string a customer along even though you know that you cannot fix the issue. I have found that it is better to say catch you next time or when it is fix than to have false expectation. Quoting JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sure do - We credit ALL of our customers without them having to ask for any downtime over 12hours they experience on our system. If someone is not happy with our service and ask for a refund for their installation, we just give it to them, pick up our equipment and leave smiling. How about you Rudolph ? How do you treat your customer base ? None of our customers are due to advertisement, they are referrals by word of mouth. How stupid would it be to give someone a hard time over a few dollars when our business is driven by word of mouth advertising ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible? Do you offer refunds for your service? Quoting Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well JohnnyO, That I agree with. My defense was not of Hyperlink. My defense was that not giving refunds is not a bad thing. Banning someone (a prosective buyer) for such a request or for that matter ANY REASON is absolutely rediculous. Vendors have the right to set their policies, but they also have the responsibility to be the bigger person, and to not let individual transaction decisions with a consumer effect their judgement, emotion, professionalism, and future business decissions. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible? *snip* If someone gives refunds, thats a plus that shows they add value. But not giving refunds does not infer wrong doing. *snip* Tom - it is wrong doing when you ban someone for requesting a refund. Hell, I've never bought from Hyperlink and from seeing their ban policy with a few of the posts on here, we'll never do business with them in the future. I guess I am not the only one that takes this point of view either, so how much $$ did the ban on Scriv cost them actually ? :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible? Blake, Its not that I disagree with you, that it is good business to take care of your customers. Nor am I defending Hyperlinktech, as we don't have enough business experience with them, to have a valid opinion. but... This isn't retail HomeDepot that we are talking about, this is distribution. In my 10 years experience previously in the distribution business, I can tell you there are not many companies that give refunds. We also found that the companies that couldn't understand why refunds was bad business for distributors, usually were the ones that didn't do enough volume to matter wether we lost them. I'm not saying that I personally do not believe in giving refunds. I also believe its best practice to take care of the customer, in most cases. But that does not change the fact that most dealers do NOT give refunds. Tessco, Talley. Hutton, Electrocomm. They may give refunds, but there significant hassle in getting it, that in most cases will be more costly to the buyer in time than the value of the refund. They also usually charge a higher profit margin on every sale than the smaller distributor that is competing on price, and therefore has more margin to justify eating the cost to give the refund. I bet the price received from Hyperlinktech was significantly less than that the Tesscos or Hutton's would have charged? When price drops, terms gets tougher. A distributor must determine which business they want to be in, and they can't be in both successfully. If in the price market they need to have price policies. Descretion needs to be taken out of the set policies, otherwise its impossible to manage RMA processes. There are many reasons strict policies need to be inforced for Refunds 1. Price constantly falls based on time. And even a week or s odone the road the cost of the product may have dropped. 2. People find something cheaper
[WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?
John, I was looking for a response like yours. I requested a refund lately and was denied even though we called immediately after item was delivered. Has anyone ever returned and item to Hyperlinktech.com Quoting John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We were banned from doing business with them because we requested a return once. Not kidding. Scriv Rudolph Worrell wrote: Can someone give me their honest opinion about doing business with www.hyperlinktech.com. They seem to have a great deal of antennas and cable but I am not sure they are WISP friendly as odd as that seems. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hyperlinktech.com
Can someone give me their honest opinion about doing business with www.hyperlinktech.com. They seem to have a great deal of antennas and cable but I am not sure they are WISP friendly as odd as that seems. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
Please send your money as we are backordered for development. Will send product as soon as we can fill the order. LOL. Quoting Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'll take 200. Rudolph Worrell wrote: I am reading all of these posts and I see one thing here. Marketing! There is little sense to this but a great deal of marketing being done for Mesh, 4.9, and Muni WiFi. I see out of town guys chime in all the time and express how well they can deploy and integrate networks. I am very curious about the actual implementations they have done that involved a large mountain ranges with customers spaced every 5 miles who are behind trees, or has some obstruction to any towers. Better yet a neighborhood with devices on the same frequencies that you cannot control. My guess is that their lab and specs of their devices looks great but the actual deployment is a different story. We all know that 2.4Ghz, 900Mhz, and 5.8Ghz, all have their limitations, and will perform perhaps 10% to 20% worst than advertised. Do these guys know that? As for the marketing bit, I have a 2.4Ghz wireless device that can communicate at 100 mph, at distances of 100mi from the tower using 60foot dishes, giving a throughput of 200Mbps. It sells for $50,000.00 per Clieint bridge and $600,000.00 per AP. Who wants to buy? Quoting Carl A Jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well to one-up you, Our local Utility has been offered Wimax Radios to be used in a Mesh Network on a licensed Freq, so that they can read meters. What really gets me is that these people with a few carefully chosen words appear to know more than all of us put together. The gift of the GAB. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Brad Larson wrote: I'm biting my tongue on this topicI have been on enough of these projects, well over 50 in the last 12 months alone, and I have to say there are a pile of people that don't know what they're getting into and many will get hurt. For instance, I have a unnamed mesh vendor quoting 14 nodes per square mile for 100% coverage in a decent sized community in MA. They'll need at least 40ish... And please keep in mind that different parts of the Country where tree lines/foliage, noise floors, and topology are different create their own separate challenges. Throw in voice as some of the wireless network experts have advised and a whole new overlay of problems surface. There is a place for mesh just like other tools in your kit but covering whole counties or even trying to cover a whole City is quite a stretch IMHO. How did we get to this point of mesh first being considered a convenience or hotspot extension to what it has become today where it is seen as the 4th solution to the last mile or a cost effective roaming solution for public safety or city workers? I have seen designs in the NE US where 40 to 69 2.4 Ghz nodes per square mile are needed when a simple implement of 900 Mhz mobility with two base stations (redundant) per square mile can do the trick and save 90% of the cost of a mesh network. Use mesh in the parks, at the pool, in the restaurant district, or anywhere else people may want public access. And I'll add that opening up my notebook on a sunny day outside is pretty much a waste of battery power. I'm afraid Tempe AZ and St Cloud are just the start of some of the bad press we're going to see related to our wireless industry. But then again, I'm a show me guy so if one of these major networks actually works, has an ROI and doesn't become a boondoggle for tax payers, and serves the public well then I'll be impressed. Brad -Original Message- From: John J. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes -Original Message- From: George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 09:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes John J. Thomas wrote: inline... First off, the WISPs have to have the guts to talk to the city. Many simply refuse to do so, and are probably going to get the Muni WiFi shoved down their throats. I don't want to turn this into a battle of ideals. George, you are welcome to believe anything that you want. Here are some facts; 1. I work for Clare Computer Solutions and we are a Cisco Mesh certified network Integrator. 2. Cities have approached US to install their networks 3. These cities are not San Francisco sized, they are probably
Re: [WISPA] FCC Form requirement
John, Thank you for the response. I am hoping that everyone including myself will pony up be a paid member. My issue is simply not having the time. Installer,CEO,support, tower engineer, and I am sure you know the rest. I know we all work but is there anyone out there with some free time to give us all a call and make us pay. That would work for me because then it is in my ear. Furthermore can you direct us all to the mission of WISPA and what we are doing along with what we could possibly help with. I think that involvement would bring in the bucks and to tell you the truth a face to face meeting once a year will not hurt. We can all turn off the support calls and cross our fingers hoping nothing breaks while we are gone. Rudy Quoting John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rudy Worrell wrote: I don't have the answers but we should now think of a few things that come to mind as we move forward. 1.) Security to this list (my customers can join along with anyone else) Paid WISPA Principle Members have a members only list server called [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is not open to anyone other than paid WISPA Principle Members. We keep this wireless@wispa.org list open to the public to attract new membership by allowing them to see what we are working on to some degree. Issues we do not want exposed to outside world are generally discussed in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. So the long and short of it is this, we plan to leave this list open for now and keep the paid membership list for members only. 2.) Frequent meetings The board meets via IRC at least once a month. In person meetings are not feasible with only 47 paid members. We do have some in person meetings of members at the FCC headquarters when they meet to discuss issues with FCC regarding our industry. I would like to see us do this more. It takes money. I would like to have at least one nice formal meeting a year with all members and we may do this at some point. It is common for WISPA members to arrange to meet at shows and such. Until we get more than 47 paid members it is unlikely WISPA will be hosting many in person meeting events. 3.) We need formality and a great deal of lobbying for WISP. Lobbying can be extremely expensive. The costs for what work we have done at the FCC and Senate have largely been subsidized out of pocket by members who want to help. We need more members in this organization. Paid members that is. If you or anyone you know has not paid your dues then fill out the form at http://signup.wispa.org and we will get you invoiced for your dues and set you up in WISPA. Good post, Rudy. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today
This is a good thought to get something out of the deal. I really think that we need access to utility easments. Imagine putting an AP everywhere the cable and phone company aggregates thier fiber/wires etc. Imagine being able to put an AP on or near a stop sign or anywhere you deem necessary to deliver your service. This would greatly help our LOS problems and bandwidth issues. Quoting John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about if we propose to the Congress that they allow a per base station license to be paid annually for broadband use that gives first in rights to those who launch broadband in a given geography in the channel registered for each base station? Then everyone would have the ability to have access to spectrum with some rights to prevent interference and have something that investors could be comfortable with investing in. This would eliminate the spectrum class split we have now where some have rights of licensed use and others (like us) cannot play in the game without using spectrum with no spectrum rights (unlicensed). The government could have the revenues they demand which they normally get from auctions which I oppose due to the inability for smaller operators to have a chance to buy in. Just a thought. Scriv Rudy Worrell wrote: Time to organize troops... Nuff said! Who's got lead? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today Now we know why they want the 477 forms. Brian Webster wrote: Well, it does not surprise me that the government has decided to tax the unlicensed spectrum. Today the Bush administration announced a plan to tax Wi-Fi and other unlicensed spectrum. It is not clear how they will do it yet but the process is in motion. That's the bad news, the good news is they reached agreement on the 5.4 GHz spectrum and that should become available once equipment gets certified. Check the RCR news site for the full stories. Oh well, I suspected that it would not last forever the truly free use of the spectrum. http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25545 http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25539 Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today
Hey no pun intended but who is the guy that gets to say I told you so? -- Quoting Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well...They sure couldn't have timed it any better. Now we will see how many people file. 24 Hours ago i would have said this never would have occured. Now.Well...Let me just say I am tired of paying for everything in the land of the free and the home of the brave -B- Blair Davis wrote: Now we know why they want the 477 forms. Brian Webster wrote: Well, it does not surprise me that the government has decided to tax the unlicensed spectrum. Today the Bush administration announced a plan to tax Wi-Fi and other unlicensed spectrum. It is not clear how they will do it yet but the process is in motion. That's the bad news, the good news is they reached agreement on the 5.4 GHz spectrum and that should become available once equipment gets certified. Check the RCR news site for the full stories. Oh well, I suspected that it would not last forever the truly free use of the spectrum. http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25545 http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25539 Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today
Good one. On a serious note though we need to get the membership up to do any of this. To the powers that be can I help in ramping up support. I could dedicate a resouce to call you sorry sons like myself and take your money :). Quoting John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If I read this right it does not specifically mention unlicensed spectrum but does refer to spectrum not already auctioned which could mean whitespace. We probably have a chance to spin this to our advantage unless you guys all would rather just bitch and moan. Scriv Bob Moldashel wrote: Interesting how the 5 Ghz spectrum gets resolved right after they come up with the taxing idea. And one needs to wonder who came up with the great idea of taxing unlicensed spectrum. It surely wasn't George hyimself. -B- Brian Webster wrote: Well, it does not surprise me that the government has decided to tax the unlicensed spectrum. Today the Bush administration announced a plan to tax Wi-Fi and other unlicensed spectrum. It is not clear how they will do it yet but the process is in motion. That's the bad news, the good news is they reached agreement on the 5.4 GHz spectrum and that should become available once equipment gets certified. Check the RCR news site for the full stories. Oh well, I suspected that it would not last forever the truly free use of the spectrum. http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25545 http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25539 Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today
Mac, I am with you. We need to be very aware but also plan and propose so that we are not spoken for in an ill way. One thing that would really help here and on the paid side of things is to have clear goals, leadership, and direction. Quoting Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I say whoooa mule! I think before we jump the gun we ought to see what lies ahead of us. If they plan on taxing the free spectrum it will have to be done at the manufacturers level. There is no way to tax us per device and if we are taxed per user - - - then we will just pass that on to the end user. Ultimately all taxes will have to be passed down to the end user - it always has been - - -it always will be. I dont mind paying the taxes, its all that damn collecting and book keeping I hate. It seems that Uncle Sams money always get intermingled with mine and then I try to find ways to keep it :-) From what I have read earlier today its not a done deal ad its just talk at this time. We do need to keep our ears to the ground and our eyes open though and if we can lead the horse rather than eat dust from the Cavalry ahead of us would be a choice place to be. Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us (VoIP Sales) www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4227 John Scrivner wrote: How about if we propose to the Congress that they allow a per base station license to be paid annually for broadband use that gives first in rights to those who launch broadband in a given geography in the channel registered for each base station? Then everyone would have the ability to have access to spectrum with some rights to prevent interference and have something that investors could be comfortable with investing in. This would eliminate the spectrum class split we have now where some have rights of licensed use and others (like us) cannot play in the game without using spectrum with no spectrum rights (unlicensed). The government could have the revenues they demand which they normally get from auctions which I oppose due to the inability for smaller operators to have a chance to buy in. Just a thought. Scriv Rudy Worrell wrote: Time to organize troops... Nuff said! Who's got lead? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good news and bad news today Now we know why they want the 477 forms. Brian Webster wrote: Well, it does not surprise me that the government has decided to tax the unlicensed spectrum. Today the Bush administration announced a plan to tax Wi-Fi and other unlicensed spectrum. It is not clear how they will do it yet but the process is in motion. That's the bad news, the good news is they reached agreement on the 5.4 GHz spectrum and that should become available once equipment gets certified. Check the RCR news site for the full stories. Oh well, I suspected that it would not last forever the truly free use of the spectrum. http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25545 http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25539 Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Requesting board member contact
I would like to be contacted off list by one of the board members of WISPA. Rudy Worrell Wave2Net High Speed Internet www.Wave2Net.com - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
