Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2010-01-04 Thread Matt Jenkins
The reason I do not do that is if I get a subpoena for who is using an 
IP I could not tell them. I do not want the gov't mad at me...

- Matt

Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 On 2010-01-02 17:45, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for
 throughput usage. DHCP server so all customers always get the same
 public IP. One public IP per customer.
 
 As this is a small deployment, we don't give IP addresses to users, we 
 NAT everything behind one public IP.
 
 Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 Hi,

 We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

 Thanks in advance.

 Ugo



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2010-01-04 Thread Robert West
The government is always mad at me for one thing or another.  I NAT as well,
saves me 10 bucks per user for the IP's.  They can be mad at me a little
more, tis okay with me.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

The reason I do not do that is if I get a subpoena for who is using an 
IP I could not tell them. I do not want the gov't mad at me...

- Matt

Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 On 2010-01-02 17:45, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for
 throughput usage. DHCP server so all customers always get the same
 public IP. One public IP per customer.
 
 As this is a small deployment, we don't give IP addresses to users, we 
 NAT everything behind one public IP.
 
 Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 Hi,

 We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x
cents.

 Thanks in advance.

 Ugo






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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2010-01-04 Thread Marco Coelho
That is why logs were invented.  We authenticate through radius and
PPPoE.  I know every IP at all times.

Mc

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 The government is always mad at me for one thing or another.  I NAT as well,
 saves me 10 bucks per user for the IP's.  They can be mad at me a little
 more, tis okay with me.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:59 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

 The reason I do not do that is if I get a subpoena for who is using an
 IP I could not tell them. I do not want the gov't mad at me...

 - Matt

 Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 On 2010-01-02 17:45, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for
 throughput usage. DHCP server so all customers always get the same
 public IP. One public IP per customer.

 As this is a small deployment, we don't give IP addresses to users, we
 NAT everything behind one public IP.

 Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 Hi,

     We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x
 cents.

 Thanks in advance.

 Ugo




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2010-01-03 Thread Ugo Bellavance
On 2010-01-02 17:45, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for
 throughput usage. DHCP server so all customers always get the same
 public IP. One public IP per customer.

As this is a small deployment, we don't give IP addresses to users, we 
NAT everything behind one public IP.


 Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 Hi,

  We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

 Thanks in advance.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2010-01-02 Thread Matt Jenkins
Motorola SM for kbps control with bursting. pmacct central server for 
throughput usage. DHCP server so all customers always get the same 
public IP. One public IP per customer.

Ugo Bellavance wrote:
 Hi,

   We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

 Thanks in advance.

 Ugo



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-31 Thread Alan Long
I have used softperfect bandwidth management tool, just took an old server
and loaded it up. Works great for us, it is serving approx. 400 college
students in one complex. Also looked at using monowall, have a server built,
but have not put it in production, during testing it worked just fine as
well...


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Director of Network Operations
alan.l...@aerowire.net
687 North Dean Road
Auburn, AL 36830
tel: 3342759998
mobile: 336092


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Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:19 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

Hi,

We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

Thanks in advance.

Ugo





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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-31 Thread Greg Ihnen
I didn't get many google hits for superperfect. I couldn't even find the 
author's web site. Do you have it?

On Dec 31, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Alan Long wrote:

 I have used softperfect bandwidth management tool, just took an old server
 and loaded it up. Works great for us, it is serving approx. 400 college
 students in one complex. Also looked at using monowall, have a server built,
 but have not put it in production, during testing it worked just fine as
 well...
 
 
 Aerowire
 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations
 alan.l...@aerowire.net
 687 North Dean Road
 Auburn, AL 36830
 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance
 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
 
 Hi,
 
   We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-31 Thread Alan Long
http://softperfect.com/products/bandwidth/




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alan.l...@aerowire.net
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Auburn, AL 36830
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mobile: 336092


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

I didn't get many google hits for superperfect. I couldn't even find the
author's web site. Do you have it?

On Dec 31, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Alan Long wrote:

 I have used softperfect bandwidth management tool, just took an old server
 and loaded it up. Works great for us, it is serving approx. 400 college
 students in one complex. Also looked at using monowall, have a server
built,
 but have not put it in production, during testing it worked just fine as
 well...
 
 
 Aerowire
 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations
 alan.l...@aerowire.net
 687 North Dean Road
 Auburn, AL 36830
 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance
 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
 
 Hi,
 
   We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Ugo
 
 
 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-31 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 16:19 -0500, Ugo Bellavance wrote: 
   We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

If you're using Mikrotik in the network, I can help.  I am working on a
similar solution using Linux.  You can read about this here:
http://blog.butchevans.com/2009/11/140/ 

This solution is similar to NetEqualizer and NetEnforcer type devices.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-31 Thread Michael Baird
I police via radius attributes to my redback, how are you handling 
network access/termination?

Regards
Michael Baird
 On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 16:19 -0500, Ugo Bellavance wrote: 
   
  We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.
 

 If you're using Mikrotik in the network, I can help.  I am working on a
 similar solution using Linux.  You can read about this here:
 http://blog.butchevans.com/2009/11/140/ 

 This solution is similar to NetEqualizer and NetEnforcer type devices.

   




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-31 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 13:50 -0500, Michael Baird wrote: 
 I police via radius attributes to my redback, how are you handling 
 network access/termination?

This is not intended to be a system like that.  It is a QOS system only.
The access/termination features of systems like
NetEqualizer/NetEnforcer and other such systems are possible in
Mikrotik, but the QOS system mentioned in the blog article does not do
that part.  



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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-31 Thread Greg Ihnen
Thanks!
On Dec 31, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Alan Long wrote:

 http://softperfect.com/products/bandwidth/
 
 
 
 
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 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:03 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
 
 I didn't get many google hits for superperfect. I couldn't even find the
 author's web site. Do you have it?
 
 On Dec 31, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Alan Long wrote:
 
 I have used softperfect bandwidth management tool, just took an old server
 and loaded it up. Works great for us, it is serving approx. 400 college
 students in one complex. Also looked at using monowall, have a server
 built,
 but have not put it in production, during testing it worked just fine as
 well...
 
 
 Aerowire
 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations
 alan.l...@aerowire.net
 687 North Dean Road
 Auburn, AL 36830
 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance
 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement
 
 Hi,
 
  We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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[WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Ugo Bellavance
Hi,

We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

Thanks in advance.

Ugo




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman
What kind of equipment do you have?

The best place to limit is the CPE.

On 12/30/09, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote:
 Hi,

   We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

 Thanks in advance.

 Ugo



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Philip Dorr
We use an Allot NetEnforcer for bandwidth limiting.  We do not do any
policy enforcement aka unlimited download/upload at advertised rate.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote:
 Hi,

        We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is
 allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe
 from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling
 traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you
 guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP
 address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

 Thanks in advance.

 Ugo



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Ugo Bellavance
On 2009-12-30 16:28, Josh Luthman wrote:
 What kind of equipment do you have?

A firewall, managed switches, Ubiquiti and Skypilot antennas.

 The best place to limit is the CPE.

We don't have CPEs, users simply use their own wireless NICs.

We're about to change our access points, though.  We are currently using 
SOHO access points.




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Ryan Spott
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper will get you
started for pennies. Then you can grow from there.

ryan

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote:
 On 2009-12-30 16:28, Josh Luthman wrote:
 What kind of equipment do you have?

 A firewall, managed switches, Ubiquiti and Skypilot antennas.

 The best place to limit is the CPE.

 We don't have CPEs, users simply use their own wireless NICs.

 We're about to change our access points, though.  We are currently using
 SOHO access points.



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Ugo Bellavance
On 2009-12-30 16:38, Ryan Spott wrote:
 http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper  will get you
 started for pennies. Then you can grow from there.

Thanks,

Our firewall is a Pfsense and I think it can do something similar...

What is the hardware required for the above setup?

Regards,




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Robert West
We do it at the CPE.  But depends on what you are using.

Bob-


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Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

Hi,

We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is 
allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users.  We have a 60mbps pipe 
from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling 
traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help.  What are you 
guys using for bandwidth limiting (example: max 7mbps per MAC or IP 
address) and for policy enforcement: 30GB/month dl, extra gig is x cents.

Thanks in advance.

Ugo





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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Greg Ihnen
Mikrotik does a much better job of bandwidth management than pfSense though 
there is a bit more of a learning curve but don't let that scare you. All the 
talk of the Mikrotik learning curve put me off for too long till I finally 
decided I had to make the leap. Like jumping off the high dive it always seems 
terrifying before you jump and once you've done it it's nothing.

Greg

On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote:

 On 2009-12-30 16:38, Ryan Spott wrote:
 http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper  will get you
 started for pennies. Then you can grow from there.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Our firewall is a Pfsense and I think it can do something similar...
 
 What is the hardware required for the above setup?
 
 Regards,
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Uh.. Dell GX150 i think? It has a celeron slow as heck processor. I  
found it near a dumpster at some point.

The license cost me $45.

Originally I used it to find the bandwidth hogs, now I control them  
with it.

Wonderful stuff I tell you!

ryan

On Dec 30, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote:

 On 2009-12-30 16:38, Ryan Spott wrote:
 http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper  will get  
 you
 started for pennies. Then you can grow from there.

 Thanks,

 Our firewall is a Pfsense and I think it can do something similar...

 What is the hardware required for the above setup?

 Regards,



 
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