Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Check Motorola PTP800 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? One would think. However the Dragonwave equipment we saw was PoE. But again, We haven't seen a demo of Dragonwave since 2007. We have used Ceragon and Nera recently (this year). Has anyone seen issues with Nera equipment? What problems did you have? On 4/21/10 11:18 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > Doesn't everyone that puts up licensed 6+ ghz links just use waveguide and > leave radio's down in the shelter where they need to be? > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Adam Kennedy > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:28 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Oh, and PoE seemed too "Unlicensed"-ish for us. I hate dealing with PoE with > any equipment backhauls, no matter the brand. We need the ability to mount a > licensed link without worrying how far the Cat5 run is. We have also had > some serious issues with Cat5 lightning arrestors and we would really rather > not deal with those headaches on our licensed backhauls. They need to be > five 9's =) > > > On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, "lakel...@gbcx.net" wrote: > >> What turned you off to Dragonwave? >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: Adam Kennedy >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >> >> What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to >> the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but >> several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big > players >> that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas > (We >> also use Andrews). >> >> >> On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: >> >>> Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad >>> choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had >>> better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and >>> waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like >>> having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. >>> >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi >>> wrote: >>>>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>>>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>>> >>>> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>>> >>>> >>>> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >>>> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >>>> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >>>> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >>>> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >>>> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >>>> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >>>> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >>>> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >>>> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >>>> your packet size distribution in real time. >>>> >>>> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >>>> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >>>> chance that ACM would br
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Hello Scott, Yes, the links will work great until you have a heavy rain. Talk to Travis about the 38GHz links he has running at several miles with great uptime. Great uptime because he's nearly running them in a vacuum environment...IMO! lol Unfortunately you and I do not enjoy such an RF friendly environment for our paths. Right now most of our 11GHz links are Trango GigaLINK which are the split architecture design (we required coax runs) and may not be as powerful as the Apex. We have a few Apex 11GHz links up and they do seem to perform better, but none of them are as long as some of our GigaLINK paths. The Apex also has a much better "hitless" modulation shift than the Giga, so your overall experience during rain fade events will be better with an Apex than a Giga. Agreed, our sites have alternate paths to fail to during rain fade or in the event of equipment failure. However, there is still a momentary drop in service and we strive for as close to 100% availability as possible. With the proliferation of VoIP running across our network our clients demand it! Four nines always sounds great and looks great on paper, but it never seems to occur when no one is watching! That hour of estimated downtime is always at the worst time. I'm happy to offer any additional help with your Trango gear offlist if you want to bounce configuration or other specific questions that may come up. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Hey Brad... I'm not familiar with this gear (or any at 11Ghz). Trango ran the analysis and came back with 4 9's for the link. There was about 35db rain fade margin at 100Mb rate. I assume maybe a problem in a torrential downpour but will a good ole regular rain take the link out? I've got burstable bandwidth that can cutover when / if the link goes down on 95th percentile usage so if it doesn't happen often it shouldn't be noticed or matter. Just want to get the 100Mb from the other city when available cause its less expensive. I'm actually considering two back-to-back apex links 18 mile hop on first one and 25 mile hop on next one. Numbers look good on the link path analysis not considering rain (all the 11gig links have 4ft 40db antennas spec'd) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: "Brad Belton" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:56 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Ceragon is great gear, but a good bit more expensive than Trango Apex. 11Ghz will easily rain fade at 20miles in our K or M rain zone. We have 14mile 11GHz links that have faded with rain I can't imagine Florida with a N rain zone (the worst rain zone in N America) will be a good place for a long 11Ghz path much less 20 mile path! I guess it just depends on what level of availability your path requires. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Just curious, what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? Regards > We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in > rain zone N so lets see how they hold. > > Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected > in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) > > Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW > Horizon > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Looking for options... > > Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let > me > know... thanks. > > Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or > under. > In Florida. Any other better options let me know. > > Thanks for your time > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Hey Brad... I'm not familiar with this gear (or any at 11Ghz). Trango ran the analysis and came back with 4 9's for the link. There was about 35db rain fade margin at 100Mb rate. I assume maybe a problem in a torrential downpour but will a good ole regular rain take the link out? I've got burstable bandwidth that can cutover when / if the link goes down on 95th percentile usage so if it doesn't happen often it shouldn't be noticed or matter. Just want to get the 100Mb from the other city when available cause its less expensive. I'm actually considering two back-to-back apex links 18 mile hop on first one and 25 mile hop on next one. Numbers look good on the link path analysis not considering rain (all the 11gig links have 4ft 40db antennas spec'd) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: "Brad Belton" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:56 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Ceragon is great gear, but a good bit more expensive than Trango Apex. 11Ghz will easily rain fade at 20miles in our K or M rain zone. We have 14mile 11GHz links that have faded with rain I can't imagine Florida with a N rain zone (the worst rain zone in N America) will be a good place for a long 11Ghz path much less 20 mile path! I guess it just depends on what level of availability your path requires. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Just curious, what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? Regards > We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in > rain zone N so lets see how they hold. > > Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected > in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) > > Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW > Horizon > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Looking for options... > > Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let > me > know... thanks. > > Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or > under. > In Florida. Any other better options let me know. > > Thanks for your time > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
All 20+ of my licensed links are PoE with the radio on the back of the dish. Saves us money at tower locations where they charge per U of rack space. :) Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Doesn't everyone that puts up licensed 6+ ghz links just use waveguide and > leave radio's down in the shelter where they need to be? > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Adam Kennedy > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:28 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Oh, and PoE seemed too "Unlicensed"-ish for us. I hate dealing with PoE with > any equipment backhauls, no matter the brand. We need the ability to mount a > licensed link without worrying how far the Cat5 run is. We have also had > some serious issues with Cat5 lightning arrestors and we would really rather > not deal with those headaches on our licensed backhauls. They need to be > five 9's =) > > > On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, "lakel...@gbcx.net" wrote: > > >> What turned you off to Dragonwave? >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Adam Kennedy >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >> >> What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to >> the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but >> several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big >> > players > >> that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas >> > (We > >> also use Andrews). >> >> >> On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: >> >> >>> Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad >>> choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had >>> better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and >>> waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like >>> having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. >>> >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>>>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>>>> >>>> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>>> >>>> >>>> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >>>> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >>>> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >>>> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >>>> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >>>> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >>>> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >>>> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >>>> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >>>> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >>>> your packet size distribution in real time. >>>> >>>> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >>>> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >>>> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >>>> you want to be looking at your NOC. >>>> >>>> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >>>> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >>>> after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. >>>
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
One would think. However the Dragonwave equipment we saw was PoE. But again, We haven't seen a demo of Dragonwave since 2007. We have used Ceragon and Nera recently (this year). Has anyone seen issues with Nera equipment? What problems did you have? On 4/21/10 11:18 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > Doesn't everyone that puts up licensed 6+ ghz links just use waveguide and > leave radio's down in the shelter where they need to be? > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Adam Kennedy > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:28 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Oh, and PoE seemed too "Unlicensed"-ish for us. I hate dealing with PoE with > any equipment backhauls, no matter the brand. We need the ability to mount a > licensed link without worrying how far the Cat5 run is. We have also had > some serious issues with Cat5 lightning arrestors and we would really rather > not deal with those headaches on our licensed backhauls. They need to be > five 9's =) > > > On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, "lakel...@gbcx.net" wrote: > >> What turned you off to Dragonwave? >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: Adam Kennedy >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >> >> What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to >> the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but >> several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big > players >> that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas > (We >> also use Andrews). >> >> >> On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: >> >>> Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad >>> choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had >>> better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and >>> waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like >>> having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. >>> >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi >>> wrote: >>>>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>>>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>>> >>>> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>>> >>>> >>>> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >>>> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >>>> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >>>> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >>>> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >>>> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >>>> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >>>> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >>>> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >>>> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >>>> your packet size distribution in real time. >>>> >>>> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >>>> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >>>> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >>>> you want to be looking at your NOC. >>>> >>>> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >>>> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >>>> after we've sent the output from the failed upg
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Doesn't everyone that puts up licensed 6+ ghz links just use waveguide and leave radio's down in the shelter where they need to be? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Oh, and PoE seemed too "Unlicensed"-ish for us. I hate dealing with PoE with any equipment backhauls, no matter the brand. We need the ability to mount a licensed link without worrying how far the Cat5 run is. We have also had some serious issues with Cat5 lightning arrestors and we would really rather not deal with those headaches on our licensed backhauls. They need to be five 9's =) On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, "lakel...@gbcx.net" wrote: > What turned you off to Dragonwave? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Adam Kennedy > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to > the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but > several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players > that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We > also use Andrews). > > > On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: > >> Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad >> choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had >> better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and >> waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like >> having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi >> wrote: >>>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>> >>> >>> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >>> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >>> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >>> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >>> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >>> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >>> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >>> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >>> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >>> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >>> your packet size distribution in real time. >>> >>> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >>> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >>> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >>> you want to be looking at your NOC. >>> >>> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >>> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >>> after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. >>> >>> Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we >>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco >>> wrote: >>>> Just curious, >>>> >>>> what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>>> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >>>>> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >>>
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
So you are making your decision on what you saw with Dragonwave equipment in 2007??? That is not making a lot of sense. You can open the diagnostic files in notepad and look at everything. No secrets. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Adam Kennedy Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:25:17 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? The diagnostics were all windows based it seemed. The issue we have is that not all machines are windows based and it would be nice to have our monitoring system be able to run some of the diagnostics as well (which is Linux based). Not only that but it felt like the deep diags were all "closed source" and we would have to send the tech file to Dragonwave support in order to find out what is going on. There just didn't seem to be as many metrics available to us in Dragonwave as there were in other equipment for SNMP etc. I prefer to be proactive in resolving issues :) But this also was late 2007, I'm sure quite a bit has changed since then. On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, "lakel...@gbcx.net" wrote: > What turned you off to Dragonwave? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Adam Kennedy > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to > the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but > several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players > that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We > also use Andrews). > > > On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: > >> Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad >> choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had >> better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and >> waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like >> having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi >> wrote: >>>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>> >>> >>> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >>> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >>> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >>> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >>> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >>> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >>> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >>> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >>> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >>> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >>> your packet size distribution in real time. >>> >>> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >>> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >>> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >>> you want to be looking at your NOC. >>> >>> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >>> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >>> after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. >>> >>> Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we >>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco >>> wrote: >>>> Just curious, >>>> >>>> what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? >>>> >>>&
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Well with the exception of the CAT5 limitations I believe your concerns with the Horizon Compact are unfounded. I have nearly 40 links in Manhattan on some of the largest buildings in America that get direct hits all the time and have had NO issues with Transtector arrestors. Good luck with Nera -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Adam Kennedy Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:27:53 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Oh, and PoE seemed too "Unlicensed"-ish for us. I hate dealing with PoE with any equipment backhauls, no matter the brand. We need the ability to mount a licensed link without worrying how far the Cat5 run is. We have also had some serious issues with Cat5 lightning arrestors and we would really rather not deal with those headaches on our licensed backhauls. They need to be five 9's =) On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, "lakel...@gbcx.net" wrote: > What turned you off to Dragonwave? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Adam Kennedy > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to > the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but > several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players > that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We > also use Andrews). > > > On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: > >> Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad >> choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had >> better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and >> waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like >> having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi >> wrote: >>>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>> >>> >>> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >>> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >>> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >>> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >>> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >>> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >>> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >>> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >>> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >>> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >>> your packet size distribution in real time. >>> >>> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >>> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >>> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >>> you want to be looking at your NOC. >>> >>> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >>> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >>> after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. >>> >>> Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we >>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco >>> wrote: >>>> Just curious, >>>> >>>> what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>>> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >>>>> rain zone N so lets
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Oh, and PoE seemed too "Unlicensed"-ish for us. I hate dealing with PoE with any equipment backhauls, no matter the brand. We need the ability to mount a licensed link without worrying how far the Cat5 run is. We have also had some serious issues with Cat5 lightning arrestors and we would really rather not deal with those headaches on our licensed backhauls. They need to be five 9's =) On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, "lakel...@gbcx.net" wrote: > What turned you off to Dragonwave? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Adam Kennedy > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to > the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but > several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players > that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We > also use Andrews). > > > On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: > >> Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad >> choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had >> better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and >> waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like >> having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi >> wrote: >>>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>> >>> >>> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >>> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >>> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >>> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >>> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >>> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >>> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >>> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >>> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >>> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >>> your packet size distribution in real time. >>> >>> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >>> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >>> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >>> you want to be looking at your NOC. >>> >>> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >>> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >>> after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. >>> >>> Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we >>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco >>> wrote: >>>> Just curious, >>>> >>>> what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>>> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >>>>> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >>>>> >>>>> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected >>>>> in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) >>>>> >>>>> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW >>>>> Horizon >>>>> >>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>> Aeronet Wireles
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
The diagnostics were all windows based it seemed. The issue we have is that not all machines are windows based and it would be nice to have our monitoring system be able to run some of the diagnostics as well (which is Linux based). Not only that but it felt like the deep diags were all "closed source" and we would have to send the tech file to Dragonwave support in order to find out what is going on. There just didn't seem to be as many metrics available to us in Dragonwave as there were in other equipment for SNMP etc. I prefer to be proactive in resolving issues :) But this also was late 2007, I'm sure quite a bit has changed since then. On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, "lakel...@gbcx.net" wrote: > What turned you off to Dragonwave? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Adam Kennedy > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to > the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but > several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players > that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We > also use Andrews). > > > On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: > >> Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad >> choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had >> better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and >> waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like >> having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi >> wrote: >>>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>> >>> >>> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >>> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >>> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >>> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >>> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >>> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >>> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >>> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >>> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >>> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >>> your packet size distribution in real time. >>> >>> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >>> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >>> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >>> you want to be looking at your NOC. >>> >>> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >>> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >>> after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. >>> >>> Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we >>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco >>> wrote: >>>> Just curious, >>>> >>>> what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>>> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >>>>> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >>>>> >>>>> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected >>>>> in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) >>>>> >>>>> D
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
What turned you off to Dragonwave? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Adam Kennedy Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We also use Andrews). On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: > Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad > choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had > better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and > waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like > having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. > > > Rubens > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi > wrote: >>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >> >> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >> >> >> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >> your packet size distribution in real time. >> >> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >> you want to be looking at your NOC. >> >> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >> after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. >> >> Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we >> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >> >> Rubens >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco >> wrote: >>> Just curious, >>> >>> what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>>> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >>>> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >>>> >>>> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected >>>> in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) >>>> >>>> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW >>>> Horizon >>>> >>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>> 787.273.4143 >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Scott Carullo >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM >>>> To: wireless@wispa.org >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>>> >>>> Looking for options... >>>> >>>> Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let >>>> me >>>> know... thanks. >>>> >>>> Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or >>>> under. >>>> In Florida. Any other better options let me know. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your time >>>> >>>>
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We also use Andrews). On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, "Rubens Kuhl" wrote: > Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad > choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had > better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and > waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like > having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. > > > Rubens > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi > wrote: >>> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >> >> Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rubens Kuhl" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >> >> >> Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 >> GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. >> Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for >> large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those >> values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are >> not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we >> would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small >> packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 >> bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to >> nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see >> your packet size distribution in real time. >> >> Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain >> periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 >> chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index >> you want to be looking at your NOC. >> >> We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were >> trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again >> after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. >> >> Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we >> regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >> both and the decision was based on price... :-( >> >> Rubens >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco >> wrote: >>> Just curious, >>> >>> what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>>> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >>>> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >>>> >>>> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected >>>> in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) >>>> >>>> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW >>>> Horizon >>>> >>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>> 787.273.4143 >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Scott Carullo >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM >>>> To: wireless@wispa.org >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>>> >>>> Looking for options... >>>> >>>> Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let >>>> me >>>> know... thanks. >>>> >>>> Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or >>>> under. >>>> In Florida. Any other better options let me know. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your time >>>> >>>> Scott Carullo >>>> Brevard Wireless >>>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like having three-feet, not just two or four-feet. Rubens On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >>both and the decision was based on price... :-( > > Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rubens Kuhl" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > > Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 > GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. > Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for > large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those > values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are > not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we > would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small > packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 > bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to > nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see > your packet size distribution in real time. > > Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain > periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 > chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index > you want to be looking at your NOC. > > We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were > trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again > after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. > > Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we > regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered > both and the decision was based on price... :-( > > Rubens > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco > wrote: >> Just curious, >> >> what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? >> >> Regards >> >>> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >>> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >>> >>> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected >>> in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) >>> >>> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW >>> Horizon >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>> 787.273.4143 >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Scott Carullo >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM >>> To: wireless@wispa.org >>> Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >>> >>> Looking for options... >>> >>> Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let >>> me >>> know... thanks. >>> >>> Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or >>> under. >>> In Florida. Any other better options let me know. >>> >>> Thanks for your time >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Brevard Wireless >>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.o
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
>regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered >both and the decision was based on price... :-( Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Rubens Kuhl" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see your packet size distribution in real time. Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index you want to be looking at your NOC. We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered both and the decision was based on price... :-( Rubens On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > Just curious, > > what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? > > Regards > >> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >> >> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected >> in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) >> >> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW >> Horizon >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> g...@aeronetpr.com >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> 787.273.4143 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Scott Carullo >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >> >> Looking for options... >> >> Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let >> me >> know... thanks. >> >> Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or >> under. >> In Florida. Any other better options let me know. >> >> Thanks for your time >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > > > Ing. Paolo Di Francesco > > Teleinform s.r.l. > Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo > Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) > Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 > Fax: +39-091-6406200 > > http://www.wikitel.it > http://www.teleinform.com > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WIS
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
For MW link calcs we use the DW tool Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? We enjoy our Apex links too although I wish the firmware would get updated again. I still prefer the Dragonwaves at least a little bit more than the Apexes because of a more reliable firmware. Anyway, where did you find your rain zone information? Seems it was listed in a Bridgewave manual a long time ago but I'm not finding a good map with the data. Thanks in advance. On 4/20/2010 09:32, Gino Villarini wrote: > We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in > rain zone N so lets see how they hold. > > Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected > in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) > > Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW > Horizon > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Looking for options... > > Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let > me > know... thanks. > > Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or > under. > In Florida. Any other better options let me know. > > Thanks for your time > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
We enjoy our Apex links too although I wish the firmware would get updated again. I still prefer the Dragonwaves at least a little bit more than the Apexes because of a more reliable firmware. Anyway, where did you find your rain zone information? Seems it was listed in a Bridgewave manual a long time ago but I'm not finding a good map with the data. Thanks in advance. On 4/20/2010 09:32, Gino Villarini wrote: > We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in > rain zone N so lets see how they hold. > > Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected > in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) > > Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW > Horizon > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Looking for options... > > Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let > me > know... thanks. > > Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or > under. > In Florida. Any other better options let me know. > > Thanks for your time > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11 GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz. Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those values are consistent with "IP-based" (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64 bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see your packet size distribution in real time. Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50 chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index you want to be looking at your NOC. We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades. Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered both and the decision was based on price... :-( Rubens On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > Just curious, > > what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? > > Regards > >> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >> >> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected >> in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) >> >> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW >> Horizon >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> g...@aeronetpr.com >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> 787.273.4143 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Scott Carullo >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >> >> Looking for options... >> >> Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let >> me >> know... thanks. >> >> Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or >> under. >> In Florida. Any other better options let me know. >> >> Thanks for your time >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > > > Ing. Paolo Di Francesco > > Teleinform s.r.l. > Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo > Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) > Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 > Fax: +39-091-6406200 > > http://www.wikitel.it > http://www.teleinform.com > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
We have 10 Ceragon links in a mixture of 11Ghz and 6Ghz (low band). The issues we have had are either cryptic enough that Ceragon themselves has no idea what to do about it or their support just flat out sucks. Here is the list: - We paid for 200mbit license, however the radios seem to max out at 155mbps (they are an STM radio after all). - We have several radios that are not able to output full power it seems. We have a few 6Ghz links that output 30dB while others cannot go above 26dB. Same radio model, same outdoor gear, same cables etc. Ceragon had no answer. When asked about why the links were not able to do this the answer we received in the field was "It's a 50/50 shot". Awesome. Thanks Ceragon. - Ceragon radios with the 10/100 Ethernet interface do not have traffic counters in SNMP. Graphing of traffic must be done via a switch port. - Ceragon support always seems to be either stumped or the person who has the answers to our questions is always "out of the office". - I have yet to receive a proper response on exactly what the procedure is to upgrade firmware on the radios. We have several with issues that Ceragon explained are "fixed" in newer firmware. No idea where to actually GET the firmware either and support seemed clueless about that as well last time I called. The issue we see is that after upgraded to a Gigabit Ethernet interface, we are still unable to get higher than 100mbit/s on our radios licensed for 200mbit/s. Ceragon fixed one of them but we still can only get 155mbit/s out of it. They never told us what they did to fix it and I could never reach the tech who did the work either. I will say this, the links that work properly are fairly rock solid. We have had a couple RFU units die off due to them transmitting at 100% power 100% of the time in order to stay linked up. That is with ATPC enabled. We could never get an answer on that issue either (the antennas were DEAD on alignment). -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Just curious, what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? Regards > We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in > rain zone N so lets see how they hold. > > Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected > in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) > > Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW > Horizon > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Looking for options... > > Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let > me > know... thanks. > > Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or > under. > In Florida. Any other better options let me know. > > Thanks for your time > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.o
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Ceragon is great gear, but a good bit more expensive than Trango Apex. 11Ghz will easily rain fade at 20miles in our K or M rain zone. We have 14mile 11GHz links that have faded with rain I can't imagine Florida with a N rain zone (the worst rain zone in N America) will be a good place for a long 11Ghz path much less 20 mile path! I guess it just depends on what level of availability your path requires. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Just curious, what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? Regards > We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in > rain zone N so lets see how they hold. > > Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected > in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) > > Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW > Horizon > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Looking for options... > > Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let > me > know... thanks. > > Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or > under. > In Florida. Any other better options let me know. > > Thanks for your time > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Our 18GHz Ceragon has been rock solid, but it's only a 2 mile link we are using it on. Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > Just curious, > > what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? > > Regards > > >> We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in >> rain zone N so lets see how they hold. >> >> Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected >> in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) >> >> Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW >> Horizon >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> g...@aeronetpr.com >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> 787.273.4143 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Scott Carullo >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? >> >> Looking for options... >> >> Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let >> me >> know... thanks. >> >> Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or >> under. >> In Florida. Any other better options let me know. >> >> Thanks for your time >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Just curious, what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them? Regards > We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in > rain zone N so lets see how they hold. > > Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected > in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) > > Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW > Horizon > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? > > Looking for options... > > Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let > me > know... thanks. > > Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or > under. > In Florida. Any other better options let me know. > > Thanks for your time > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in rain zone N so lets see how they hold. Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps) Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW Horizon Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB? Looking for options... Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let me know... thanks. Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or under. In Florida. Any other better options let me know. Thanks for your time Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
Looking for options... Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let me know... thanks. Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or under. In Florida. Any other better options let me know. Thanks for your time Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
