Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
On 7/29/2011 16:02, Gino Villarini wrote: Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world? Short of the 6500 with a sup 720-3bxl, not much. The 7600 is really where you need to be if you want full tables on a chassis platform though, as cisco removed quite a bit of routing features from the 6500 code line. Keep in mind, they will do 512k of routes in the FIB, but that's IPv4 only. So if you have MPLS, v6 and other stuff running, expect that number to be much lower. Per the latest cidr report, the routing table is 369k now. Have you considered other vendors? ALU and juniper have some great mid size routers with excellent BGP/routing support. -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
Yes, we have considered others, would like a HW platform that has many support options... Cisco is well documented and you can get someone to help out easily Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP On 7/29/2011 16:02, Gino Villarini wrote: Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world? Short of the 6500 with a sup 720-3bxl, not much. The 7600 is really where you need to be if you want full tables on a chassis platform though, as cisco removed quite a bit of routing features from the 6500 code line. Keep in mind, they will do 512k of routes in the FIB, but that's IPv4 only. So if you have MPLS, v6 and other stuff running, expect that number to be much lower. Per the latest cidr report, the routing table is 369k now. Have you considered other vendors? ALU and juniper have some great mid size routers with excellent BGP/routing support. -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
Why not just use a Cisco router then? Lots of used, cheap Cisco stuff on ebay... :) Travis On 7/30/2011 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Yes, we have considered others, would like a HW platform that has many support options... Cisco is well documented and you can get someone to help out easily Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bryan Fields *Sent:* Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:21 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP On 7/29/2011 16:02, Gino Villarini wrote: Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world? Short of the 6500 with a sup 720-3bxl, not much. The 7600 is really where you need to be if you want full tables on a chassis platform though, as cisco removed quite a bit of routing features from the 6500 code line. Keep in mind, they will do 512k of routes in the FIB, but that's IPv4 only. So if you have MPLS, v6 and other stuff running, expect that number to be much lower. Per the latest cidr report, the routing table is 369k now. Have you considered other vendors? ALU and juniper have some great mid size routers with excellent BGP/routing support. -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
I haven't used any, but I understand ImageStream support is good. On 7/30/2011 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Yes, we have considered others, would like a HW platform that has many support options... Cisco is well documented and you can get someone to help out easily Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bryan Fields *Sent:* Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:21 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP On 7/29/2011 16:02, Gino Villarini wrote: Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world? Short of the 6500 with a sup 720-3bxl, not much. The 7600 is really where you need to be if you want full tables on a chassis platform though, as cisco removed quite a bit of routing features from the 6500 code line. Keep in mind, they will do 512k of routes in the FIB, but that's IPv4 only. So if you have MPLS, v6 and other stuff running, expect that number to be much lower. Per the latest cidr report, the routing table is 369k now. Have you considered other vendors? ALU and juniper have some great mid size routers with excellent BGP/routing support. -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
Well yeah... being a cheap a... waned to check If I could do it with a single unit instead of 2(router+Switch) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP Why not just use a Cisco router then? Lots of used, cheap Cisco stuff on ebay... :) Travis On 7/30/2011 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Yes, we have considered others, would like a HW platform that has many support options... Cisco is well documented and you can get someone to help out easily Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP On 7/29/2011 16:02, Gino Villarini wrote: Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world? Short of the 6500 with a sup 720-3bxl, not much. The 7600 is really where you need to be if you want full tables on a chassis platform though, as cisco removed quite a bit of routing features from the 6500 code line. Keep in mind, they will do 512k of routes in the FIB, but that's IPv4 only. So if you have MPLS, v6 and other stuff running, expect that number to be much lower. Per the latest cidr report, the routing table is 369k now. Have you considered other vendors? ALU and juniper have some great mid size routers with excellent BGP/routing support. -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
On 7/30/2011 15:14, Gino Villarini wrote: Well yeah... being a cheap a... waned to check If I could do it with a single unit instead of 2(router+Switch) It really comes down to if you need to push a lot of PPS. If your typical load is under a few hundred meg/s and you just need performance with typical traffic, then a software based solution is fine. If you need line card redundancy, hitless failover of CPU's and hardware based forwarding of IPv4/6/MPLS+TE then the major vendors come into play. If you just need to lob some bits down the pipe for users and servers, I can't find a compelling reason to buy a hardware based router, other than ease of use. It's like comparing an Alvarion B100 to an ALU 6ghz 200mbit full duplex hop. Both fine solutions, but not to the same problem. -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
Depends on which model. I'm using Catalyst 3750's in my iBGP setup. They work fine. I'm sure they can function in an eBGP capacity, but not with a full table. The TCAM cannot handle more than 11k IPv4 unicast routes in the desktop routing template. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_tech_note09186a00801e7bb9.shtml#topic3 On the other hand I have a Catalyst 6500 with the Supervisor 2 engine that can handle a full table from a few peers. A little more detail would be helpful. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:59 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP Depends on which model. I'm using Catalyst 3750's in my iBGP setup. They work fine. I'm sure they can function in an eBGP capacity, but not with a full table. The TCAM cannot handle more than 11k IPv4 unicast routes in the desktop routing template. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_tech_note09186a00801e7bb9.shtml#topic3 On the other hand I have a Catalyst 6500 with the Supervisor 2 engine that can handle a full table from a few peers. A little more detail would be helpful. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
A quick search online says you won't find a Catalyst outside of the 6500 family which can handle a full table. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:59 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP Depends on which model. I'm using Catalyst 3750's in my iBGP setup. They work fine. I'm sure they can function in an eBGP capacity, but not with a full table. The TCAM cannot handle more than 11k IPv4 unicast routes in the desktop routing template. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_tech_note09186a00801e7bb9.shtml#topic3 On the other hand I have a Catalyst 6500 with the Supervisor 2 engine that can handle a full table from a few peers. A little more detail would be helpful. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
I came to that conclusion as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/29/2011 3:10 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: A quick search online says you won't find a Catalyst outside of the 6500 family which can handle a full table. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:59 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP Depends on which model. I'm using Catalyst 3750's in my iBGP setup. They work fine. I'm sure they can function in an eBGP capacity, but not with a full table. The TCAM cannot handle more than 11k IPv4 unicast routes in the desktop routing template. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_tech_note09186a00801e7bb9.shtml#topic3 On the other hand I have a Catalyst 6500 with the Supervisor 2 engine that can handle a full table from a few peers. A little more detail would be helpful. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
