Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
One particular farmer I dealt with had a similar experience. He had a 900 Mhz panel on his machine shed from a competitor (actually my upstream) They sold the boxes to this fellow with no regard to what it was going to do to existing 900 MHz gear. Well he called me and told me his Internet connection was just going so slow it might as well be dialup. When I went to check it out, the first thing I saw was the GPS unit on his tractor. I asked him if it was new. It was last spring. He told me he had a newfangled device that was guiding him in the fields. I just smiled and told him he was killing his own connection. The resolve was to do away with the 900 and put a 5.8 panel on his machine shed. I then built a 2.4 private network for them using half channel gear. His neighbor across the street is a stock broker and absolutely needed high speed. He too is on this network. So, from a business standpoint, we turned an engineering problem into an opportunity. They were more than happy to pay for the engineering and equipment. It works great for them and solved a self induced problem. I'm not sure the guys building the GPS networks are even aware of how much spectrum they use, or the problems it is causing existing spectrum users. But, such are the perils of part 15 spectrum. Mike At 09:57 PM 10/16/2009, you wrote: Well, our conglomerate of dealers isn't too ad to work with, but in our area they are running right at 4 watts EIRP. I got them to agrre to turn them off after harvest. They just came in and putt htis stuff up, told the farmer it wouldn't hurt us at all. I think the biggest issue is that we are on the same structure, so our yagis ar pointed right at their antenna too. they are running vertical here, and we run horizontal, but it is still enough to take us into 1X. they claim they cannot program the hop frequencies. they also did say that JD is coming out with a new radio this spring and they have some big incentives to upgrade. the dealer didn't know what frequency it was, but he said he had to register each site with the FCC. could be whitespace i suppose, but i didn't think that anything was ready there yet, otherwise 3650 comes to mind. The machinery only needs to receive 1 of 10 transmissions, so they can deal with a lot. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm installing an AP soon on a grain leg that has one of those on it. What type of problems have you seen with them? First one I ever have come across, had to ask farmer boy what the heck it was. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard Jr Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Well, our conglomerate of dealers isn't too ad to work with, but in our area they are running right at 4 watts EIRP. I got them to agrre to turn them off after harvest. They just came in and putt htis stuff up, told the farmer it wouldn't hurt us at all. I think the biggest issue is that we are on the same structure, so our yagis ar pointed right at their antenna too. they are running vertical here, and we run horizontal, but it is still enough to take us into 1X. they claim they cannot program the hop frequencies. they also did say that JD is coming out with a new radio this spring and they have some big incentives to upgrade. the dealer didn't know what frequency it was, but he said he had to register each site with the FCC. could be whitespace i suppose, but i didn't think that anything was ready there yet, otherwise 3650 comes to mind. The machinery only needs to receive 1 of 10 transmissions, so they can deal with a lot. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm installing an AP soon on a grain leg that has one of those on it. What type of problems have you seen with them? First one I ever have come across, had to ask farmer boy what the heck it was. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard Jr Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
I'll second the talk to the competitor. This business is much more do-able if we work together. In a lot of cases I've seen, it was not malicious, just ignorance that was causing the problem. Marco On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Before starting a war, go meet with them and see if you can get it worked out. -RickG On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Fight fire with fire? Find what freq hes using and put to radios on that freq 40mhz turbo and constantly bandwidth test between them? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 Nice. Put a better dish, with better side lobe and rear lobe specs to use. I have also shielded a dish from the rear with a ground screen. Stainless mesh hung behind the dish and grounded to the tower/mount. There is probably RF reflecting all over the place with that level of signal. It might not be amped either if it is close. You need more than luck. Best Wishes! At 01:41 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
I'm installing an AP soon on a grain leg that has one of those on it. What type of problems have you seen with them? First one I ever have come across, had to ask farmer boy what the heck it was. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard Jr Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
There was discussion regarding this system a few days ago. It has absolutely wrecked havoc on 900 MHz in many rural areas. It really is gee whiz technology however/ At 07:41 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Heya Jeremy, Use a known gain antenna (I don't know what the ns2 is), get to where you are looking right into the main beam of their antenna exactly 1 mile (or two or whatever, but an exact distance in even miles) away. Send me the rssi value and I'll run the calcs to figure out what their eirp is. You might want to try this with a couple of different radios as these signal levels don't hardly seem possible. If I figure a 30dB (1 watt) transmitter into a 15dB omni (pretty common screw up) I still only get -38 at .5 miles to a 15dB cpe antenna. 32 watts of output vs. the 4 watts that a base station can legally have. He'd have to be in excess of 64 watts if my assumptions are right. Here's one of the problems these days. I've got, waiting for me to try it, a 30dB tx power radio.That's a LOT of tx power. But it's what the manufacturers are shipping these days. Even the xr2 defaults to 28dB in a MT radio. I ALWAYS turn them down. Usually to the 17 to 20 dB range. They system works much much better that way. Many people still treat RF like horsepower though. If a little is good, more is better. Yet you don't drive your car at wide open throttle all of the time, even in a racing situation. Why does anyone think it's a good idea on the radios? Hope that helps, marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 2009/10/13 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? And a NS2 about 1/2 mile away from their omni, aimed 25* off and separated by a few sparse trees is seeing it at -33. Oh joy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Competitor at -40
Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Ha! I have a pic of a competitor pointing a 13db 900 MHz panel at my gear. 30 feet away at the same colo site! ryan On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Nice. Put a better dish, with better side lobe and rear lobe specs to use. I have also shielded a dish from the rear with a ground screen. Stainless mesh hung behind the dish and grounded to the tower/mount. There is probably RF reflecting all over the place with that level of signal. It might not be amped either if it is close. You need more than luck. Best Wishes! At 01:41 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
2009/10/13 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? And a NS2 about 1/2 mile away from their omni, aimed 25* off and separated by a few sparse trees is seeing it at -33. Oh joy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Fight fire with fire? Find what freq hes using and put to radios on that freq 40mhz turbo and constantly bandwidth test between them? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 Nice. Put a better dish, with better side lobe and rear lobe specs to use. I have also shielded a dish from the rear with a ground screen. Stainless mesh hung behind the dish and grounded to the tower/mount. There is probably RF reflecting all over the place with that level of signal. It might not be amped either if it is close. You need more than luck. Best Wishes! At 01:41 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Before starting a war, go meet with them and see if you can get it worked out. -RickG On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Fight fire with fire? Find what freq hes using and put to radios on that freq 40mhz turbo and constantly bandwidth test between them? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 Nice. Put a better dish, with better side lobe and rear lobe specs to use. I have also shielded a dish from the rear with a ground screen. Stainless mesh hung behind the dish and grounded to the tower/mount. There is probably RF reflecting all over the place with that level of signal. It might not be amped either if it is close. You need more than luck. Best Wishes! At 01:41 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Our John Deere salesman confirmed for me that they're 902-928 and doesn't believe John Deere has anything outside of that. However, I don't know how to configure them or anything for when I but up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Bushard Jr mikeb.li...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
