Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination
We have quite a few indoor installs and I hate them. There are many issues that you can't control: access to the radio (as mentioned below), children, cleaning folks, dogs, etc etc. We do our best not to do indoor installs, but we have particular apartment complex that won't let us install outside, so we have to put the CPE's in windows. Some go in attics, but I wouldn't even consider doing an indoor install for anything over about 1/4 mile (and this is all 2.4Ghz). Our signal seems inconsistent at best sometimes, etc etc. I agree that you're opening a can of worms you might not want. I would highly advise against it unless you just HAVE to do it to get the customer, but even then I would think hard about it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination I would advise against doing it. If the CPE is inside it makes fixing customer problems harder (especially 900MHz/2.4GHz since the noise has even less barriers to the CPE) and makes it that the customer has to be home to work on the CPE or to deinstall the CPE. Sounds like your opening up a can of worms... and I'm not sure what the gain would be (sure quicker installs, but the customer is paying for that right?). I cringe at the thought of customer installed CPE's... With that said I have installed Canopy SM's through windows occasionally for special circumstances and have had little issues with them... besides of course tinted windows or energy efficient windows (but depending on distance it might not be an issue). I've even deployed 2.4GHz Wi-Fi based gear in attics with absolutely no-LOS... once again not recommended but you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination All, Thinking of doing simple indoor installs for short clients 1mi. Is anyone else doing this? any tips or suggestions? I have seen what happens when a home has 'low e' windows! Having lead in the glass makes a very effective microwave shield. Is there an easy way to identify these windows in a home? Would be nice to find out from customer ahead of time if possible. is there a simple tool for the installer to save time identifying these windows? Thanks in Advance, Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination
Everyone I've ever spoken with and myself agrees - indoor installs are not something you want to do. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jason Hensley jhens...@mozarks.com wrote: We have quite a few indoor installs and I hate them. There are many issues that you can't control: access to the radio (as mentioned below), children, cleaning folks, dogs, etc etc. We do our best not to do indoor installs, but we have particular apartment complex that won't let us install outside, so we have to put the CPE's in windows. Some go in attics, but I wouldn't even consider doing an indoor install for anything over about 1/4 mile (and this is all 2.4Ghz). Our signal seems inconsistent at best sometimes, etc etc. I agree that you're opening a can of worms you might not want. I would highly advise against it unless you just HAVE to do it to get the customer, but even then I would think hard about it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination I would advise against doing it. If the CPE is inside it makes fixing customer problems harder (especially 900MHz/2.4GHz since the noise has even less barriers to the CPE) and makes it that the customer has to be home to work on the CPE or to deinstall the CPE. Sounds like your opening up a can of worms... and I'm not sure what the gain would be (sure quicker installs, but the customer is paying for that right?). I cringe at the thought of customer installed CPE's... With that said I have installed Canopy SM's through windows occasionally for special circumstances and have had little issues with them... besides of course tinted windows or energy efficient windows (but depending on distance it might not be an issue). I've even deployed 2.4GHz Wi-Fi based gear in attics with absolutely no-LOS... once again not recommended but you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination All, Thinking of doing simple indoor installs for short clients 1mi. Is anyone else doing this? any tips or suggestions? I have seen what happens when a home has 'low e' windows! Having lead in the glass makes a very effective microwave shield. Is there an easy way to identify these windows in a home? Would be nice to find out from customer ahead of time if possible. is there a simple tool for the installer to save time identifying these windows? Thanks in Advance, Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination
All, Thinking of doing simple indoor installs for short clients 1mi. Is anyone else doing this? any tips or suggestions? I have seen what happens when a home has 'low e' windows! Having lead in the glass makes a very effective microwave shield. Is there an easy way to identify these windows in a home? Would be nice to find out from customer ahead of time if possible. is there a simple tool for the installer to save time identifying these windows? Thanks in Advance, Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination
I would advise against doing it. If the CPE is inside it makes fixing customer problems harder (especially 900MHz/2.4GHz since the noise has even less barriers to the CPE) and makes it that the customer has to be home to work on the CPE or to deinstall the CPE. Sounds like your opening up a can of worms... and I'm not sure what the gain would be (sure quicker installs, but the customer is paying for that right?). I cringe at the thought of customer installed CPE's... With that said I have installed Canopy SM's through windows occasionally for special circumstances and have had little issues with them... besides of course tinted windows or energy efficient windows (but depending on distance it might not be an issue). I've even deployed 2.4GHz Wi-Fi based gear in attics with absolutely no-LOS... once again not recommended but you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor CPE install / window glass type determination All, Thinking of doing simple indoor installs for short clients 1mi. Is anyone else doing this? any tips or suggestions? I have seen what happens when a home has 'low e' windows! Having lead in the glass makes a very effective microwave shield. Is there an easy way to identify these windows in a home? Would be nice to find out from customer ahead of time if possible. is there a simple tool for the installer to save time identifying these windows? Thanks in Advance, Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
