Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
One more that I like. Cost some $$ for the box about $49.00 I believe. Xandros! That is Debian based. Bo [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1/12/07, N White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Butch Evans wrote: I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. Ubuntu is good, but I couldn't get it to work with my Broadcom (ugh) laptop minipci card straight after install. I tried a few, and the only one that worked was Linspire. It's pretty desktop friendly. Debian-based. I recommend either Ubuntu or Linspire. -- --- | Nick White | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
Butch, Not to start a debate on whats best, but for informative reasons... Why do people that prefer FreeBSD prefer FreeBSD? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
I think I can answer why I like freebsd. Stability. Uptime for months at a time. Most of the problems that I have had with my Freebsd servers have been when I was doing something stupid that I now know better. Also, it may be used completely free of charge, even if it is used commercially. The licensing of linux flavor of the month is not quite so clear. It is used by MANY large commercial web farms, universities, and other entities. It has widespread use enough that if you find a problem with it, the solution is probably online somewhere. In other words, its a more mature operating system than most Linux flavors. Just my $0.02. Not trying to create a flame war. Pete Davis NoDial.net Tom DeReggi wrote: Butch, Not to start a debate on whats best, but for informative reasons... Why do people that prefer FreeBSD prefer FreeBSD? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Tom DeReggi wrote: Why do people that prefer FreeBSD prefer FreeBSD? I prefer FreeBSD (rather BSD in general) MOSTLY because that's what I know best. FreeBSD, also, is (generally) not built to be a desktop OS, but a server platform. I know there are Linux distros that are built specifically to be servers, but I'm not as familiar with them. Perhaps the most important reason for me, though, is that Linux is getting more and more popular, and as that grows, the hackers will begin to target those systems similar to the way MS is now targeted. This trend is already starting, so I will take any advantage (real or perceived) that I can get. There are some other more technical answers, but I don't want to get into those details. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
Come on you gotta give better reasons than this ;) Good non-flavor of the month distros. Don't lump the whole base into the same box. Yea there are as many linux distros as there are linux geeks ;) Take my favorite distro, debian: On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 19:17 -0600, Pete Davis wrote: I think I can answer why I like freebsd. Stability. Uptime for months at a time. Most of the problems that I have had with my Freebsd servers have been when I was doing something stupid that I now know better. Ditto Also, it may be used completely free of charge, even if it is used commercially. The licensing of linux flavor of the month is not quite so clear. ditto It is used by MANY large commercial web farms, universities, and other entities. ditto It has widespread use enough that if you find a problem with it, the solution is probably online somewhere. ditto In other words, its a more mature operating system than most Linux flavors. thats just flame bait ;) Just my $0.02. Not trying to create a flame war. ditto Honestly though there are some great reason to use *BSD: 1 Awesome TCP/IP stack, although linux's has gotten better. 2 Ports, up to date software, with very simple commands 3 great firewall(s) ipfw, ipf, and pf (iptables syntax is, bloated at best compared to ipf and pf, I can't speak for ipfw) 4 Simple kernel in BSD, I _do not_ like the fact that 2.6 is still a developing kernel ... thats what 2.7 is supposed to be for. 5 Solid, Stable design. No major changes within the core system. Linux's popularity is also it detriment, not only due to crackers but due to its own internal developers, code splits, weak code, poor audits due to the shear number of people working on it. At its core though it is still secure. The reason I use debian linux, is because of it package management and focus on being stable, secure, and free. I understand how to use it and can work it very well. I will be looking at using OpenBSD or FreeBSD as my firewall system for my new server room. PF + Carp, rocks! Ryan -- Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
You are exactly right. There are good linux distros out there. I have used several of them. Some are great desktop OS's. Some are good for the small footprint. Some are great for making bootable CD's to run antivirus/data recovery apps, and some are great for making roll-your-own routers and firewalls. Some are good for playing games, and some are good for emulating Windows apps. Some are easy to install, and some are not. Some are easy to install with a GUI, and some are not. Some are well documented, and some are not. Some will run on a 386 with 1M RAM, and some won't run on anything less than a PIII with 256M. There are as many distros out there as there are opinions as to who has the best distro. You can order a new server from any Tier1 PC manufacturer with Linux installed. It has become mainstream. For a stable, conservative, always-up server, I like to run the latest stable release of Freebsd. I like their version nomenclature, and the documentation. There are many ports for many server apps ready to run on FreeBSD. The syntax for the command lines are familiar to me. Its the same reason that I run Windows on my daily desktop. Its what I am used to. Pete Davis NoDial.net. Ryan Langseth wrote: Come on you gotta give better reasons than this ;) Good non-flavor of the month distros. Don't lump the whole base into the same box. Yea there are as many linux distros as there are linux geeks ;) Take my favorite distro, debian: On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 19:17 -0600, Pete Davis wrote: I think I can answer why I like freebsd. Stability. Uptime for months at a time. Most of the problems that I have had with my Freebsd servers have been when I was doing something stupid that I now know better. Ditto Also, it may be used completely free of charge, even if it is used commercially. The licensing of linux flavor of the month is not quite so clear. ditto It is used by MANY large commercial web farms, universities, and other entities. ditto It has widespread use enough that if you find a problem with it, the solution is probably online somewhere. ditto In other words, its a more mature operating system than most Linux flavors. thats just flame bait ;) Just my $0.02. Not trying to create a flame war. ditto Honestly though there are some great reason to use *BSD: 1 Awesome TCP/IP stack, although linux's has gotten better. 2 Ports, up to date software, with very simple commands 3 great firewall(s) ipfw, ipf, and pf (iptables syntax is, bloated at best compared to ipf and pf, I can't speak for ipfw) 4 Simple kernel in BSD, I _do not_ like the fact that 2.6 is still a developing kernel ... thats what 2.7 is supposed to be for. 5 Solid, Stable design. No major changes within the core system. Linux's popularity is also it detriment, not only due to crackers but due to its own internal developers, code splits, weak code, poor audits due to the shear number of people working on it. At its core though it is still secure. The reason I use debian linux, is because of it package management and focus on being stable, secure, and free. I understand how to use it and can work it very well. I will be looking at using OpenBSD or FreeBSD as my firewall system for my new server room. PF + Carp, rocks! Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
Hello Butch, Yes FreeBSD is great. That's why I have a MacBook Pro. :-) -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:44:59 -0900 Subject: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
Yes Ubunto! Bo On 1/11/07, W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Butch, Yes FreeBSD is great. That's why I have a MacBook Pro. :-) -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:44:59 -0900 Subject: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
Butch Evans wrote: I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. Ubuntu is good, but I couldn't get it to work with my Broadcom (ugh) laptop minipci card straight after install. I tried a few, and the only one that worked was Linspire. It's pretty desktop friendly. Debian-based. I recommend either Ubuntu or Linspire. -- --- | Nick White | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
