RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
No. Its no possible for anybody to create a TC compatible system because of the patents. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Will it be TC compatible on the cpe side? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > Blair > > - We are working on a software upgrade to our RWO product line which > will have polling. > - The cost is from $139.95 to $289.95 depending on models. > - We have N connected versions. > - We are coming out with a 400mW 5Ghz RWO CPE and Base in the next 1-2 > weeks which will have polling. > > Keep and eye on the website :) > > Sincerely, Tony Morella > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider > Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Blair Davis > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:36 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > Hi all, > > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think > I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. > > My requirements for a replacement . > > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. > > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP > > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. > > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. > > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) > > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' > match antenna's and such. > > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and > about StarOS. > > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having > to get new licenses every year is annoying. > > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. > > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik > routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in > finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being > left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. > > Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about > another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? > > Thoughts? > > -- > Blair Davis > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > 269-686-8648 > > A division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: > 07/28/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
Will it be TC compatible on the cpe side? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > Blair > > - We are working on a software upgrade to our RWO product line which will have > polling. > - The cost is from $139.95 to $289.95 depending on models. > - We have N connected versions. > - We are coming out with a 400mW 5Ghz RWO CPE and Base in the next 1-2 weeks > which will have polling. > > Keep and eye on the website :) > > Sincerely, Tony Morella > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider > Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008 > http://www.demarctech.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Blair Davis > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:36 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > Hi all, > > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need > to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. > > My requirements for a replacement . > > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. > > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP > > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. > > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. > > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) > > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' > match antenna's and such. > > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about > StarOS. > > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get > new licenses every year is annoying. > > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. > > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers > that are currently in service, but I am more > interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about > being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me > and many others. > > Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system > meeting these requirements that I don't know about? > > Thoughts? > > -- > Blair Davis > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > 269-686-8648 > > A division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
Blair - We are working on a software upgrade to our RWO product line which will have polling. - The cost is from $139.95 to $289.95 depending on models. - We have N connected versions. - We are coming out with a 400mW 5Ghz RWO CPE and Base in the next 1-2 weeks which will have polling. Keep and eye on the website :) Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
Y'all can kick Trango if you want to - - and I agree that they are considerably higher than a lot of other gear on the market, BUT - I run their 900MHz and 5.xGHz gear and since deployment I havent had one call from someone who needed their radio rebooted and I havent made any "flying" 50 mile trips to a tower site do a hard power cycle on an AP either. Every client who pays a monthly subscription fee over $124.99 gets a Trango radio!!! The lesser class client crowd gets something that is spelled similar, but does need a power cycle from the client on occasions :-) - - -- but then I can buy 3 of these and pay the freight on them for the price of 1 Trango SU :-) sitting on the shelf at Double Radius. two little ole' cents worth, -- Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-303-4107 - Monroe, La 318-450-4101 - NOC JohnnyO wrote: Come on Rick - That is their price for testing their firmware in the field while you try to maintain your customer base and stop from loosing your A$$ deploying the Trango Tango stuff. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Gee, there's that "low price" of $475 again for a trango product. I swear someone broke the 1,2,3 keys on their keyboards! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system FWIW...if you're looking into 2.4, Trango is putting out a special on their 2.4 system for registered WiNOG attendees Trango Broadband Wireless WiNOG Coupon Offer http://www.trangobroadband.com Buy 5 M2400S SUs @ $475 each Get the M2400 AP for FREE! ($875 value) Order up to four 6-Packs per customer -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
I know you really want to keep the existing gear. But it's really easy to run new cat5 up to the mount and be done with it. Just pull all the old crap down and go in with the new. Or do like we are. We're all wifi gear (well, mostly) and we'll run the outdoor radios indoors for those who have the cable and antennas already. If there is ANY problem though, we just jerk out all of the old stuff and drop in the new. BTW, the Trango radios are under $375 from EC. I'm not sure how much the version with the dish is but it's no the nearly $500 that was quoted earlier. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system What Trango units attach to my existing antennas? I thought Trango used integrated antennas... Tom DeReggi wrote: My advise, is to buy Trango, and start replacing one of your cells sites, and then the pulled units you can then use at your turbo cell sites. Tom DeReggi - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [SPAM-HC] - Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system - Character set not allowed (Central Europe)
Let me say that the pricing mentioned for the 2.4 gear is single unit "suggested" pricing. Volume discounts are available from all Trango STARS and the 2.4 gear available at DoubleRadius currently has a $35 rebate direct from Trango. If you are interested in Volume pricing for any Trango product line. Contact me directly. Shayne Rose National Sales Manager Trango Systems, Inc. and Trango Broadband 15070 Ave of Science Suite 200 San Diego, CA 92128 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 858-335-2245 cell 858-653-3900x272 office 858-621-2725 fax www.trangobroadband.com www.trangosys.com Don't miss the Trango Technical Certification Course to be held in Boston, MA, August 17-18. Visit http://www.trangobroadband.com/support/training.htm for more details! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [SPAM-HC] - Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system - Character set not allowed (Central Europe) Come on Rick - That is their price for testing their firmware in the field while you try to maintain your customer base and stop from loosing your A$$ deploying the Trango Tango stuff. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Gee, there's that "low price" of $475 again for a trango product. I swear someone broke the 1,2,3 keys on their keyboards! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system FWIW...if you're looking into 2.4, Trango is putting out a special on their 2.4 system for registered WiNOG attendees Trango Broadband Wireless WiNOG Coupon Offer http://www.trangobroadband.com Buy 5 M2400S SUs @ $475 each Get the M2400 AP for FREE! ($875 value) Order up to four 6-Packs per customer -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
That's why I use Star-os, so that I could extend the timing limitations... Again, to get to 15 or more miles. I have several customers beyond the limits of normal "wifi", being 18, 16, 14,. etc miles from the AP. I expect to have a few over time that go close to 30 miles. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system With client shots that are upto 15 miles long, 802.11b doesn't seem to hold up. That is why we went to Karlnet in the first place...Marlon K. Schafer wrote: And you are totally against running purely 802.11? wi-fi? It would be pretty easy/cheap if that was an option. marlon - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need new cpe too it sounds like) The point of this is not to replace the antennas at the customer end. I do no use 'all in one' antenna and radio on my existing Turbocell system. All use a separate external antenna with the radio in a NEMA box. I wish to replace just the radio boxes, not the antennas/amps. I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in addition to what you have. I wish I could, but to put up a new tower antenna, I will have to pull one of the old ones. Contract issues. Then move people off as devices fail. It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear as we get some more time on them. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wire
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
I like Tom's idea. Just replace one site, with other gear. Trango, 802.11 (if it's a site with no 15 mile shots) And take the old CPEs down and re use them as you hook up people to the other Karlnet sites. I think this is the least disruptive. You would be only messing with one site. And no, Trango will not work with you current gear, but you know that. :) Blair Davis wrote: What Trango units attach to my existing antennas? I thought Trango used integrated antennas... Tom DeReggi wrote: My advise, is to buy Trango, and start replacing one of your cells sites, and then the pulled units you can then use at your turbo cell sites. Tom DeReggi - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
What Trango units attach to my existing antennas? I thought Trango used integrated antennas... Tom DeReggi wrote: My advise, is to buy Trango, and start replacing one of your cells sites, and then the pulled units you can then use at your turbo cell sites. Tom DeReggi - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
With client shots that are upto 15 miles long, 802.11b doesn't seem to hold up. That is why we went to Karlnet in the first place... Marlon K. Schafer wrote: And you are totally against running purely 802.11? wi-fi? It would be pretty easy/cheap if that was an option. marlon - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need new cpe too it sounds like) The point of this is not to replace the antennas at the customer end. I do no use 'all in one' antenna and radio on my existing Turbocell system. All use a separate external antenna with the radio in a NEMA box. I wish to replace just the radio boxes, not the antennas/amps. I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in addition to what you have. I wish I could, but to put up a new tower antenna, I will have to pull one of the old ones. Contract issues. Then move people off as devices fail. It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear as we get some more time on them. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
Only Nstream2 needs 2 cards at each end. Nstream used 1 card at each end. Brett Hays wrote: From the very limited reading I did yesterday, there seems to be another problem with this route. Doesn't the nstream option require two radio cards at both ap and cpe? - Original Message - From: "JNA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Brett Hays'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:29 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system This is what we wanted to do was to use our rg's in place now and transfer the licenses to SEC and connect back to MT Bases to replace our kn205 TC bases. But from what I understand is that you must have MT on both the base and cpe to use the polling. I have not tried to experiment but I know you can enable polling at the base without checking the nstream option, but does this truly enable polling with a non nstream enabled client? John I am assuming he has mostly RG1100 and KN-50 clients like the rest of us. I know the RG's and KN-50's could be flashed back to standard 802.11b client software...not sure how nstream does its polling, does it require specific software on the CPE like Karlnet. We are in the same boat and should probably be considering a change as well. - Original Message - From: "Dan Metcalf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > With nstream you could do both > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf >> Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:41 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system >> >> If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need >> new >> cpe too it sounds like) I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 >> gig >> system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in >> addition to what you have. Then move people off as devices fail. >> >> It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. >> >> My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear >> as >> we get some more time on them. >> >> laters, >> Marlon >> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >> 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! >> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system >> >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I >> > think I >> > need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. >> > >> > My requirements for a replacement . >> > >> > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have >> > installed. >> > >> > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP >> > >> > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. >> > >> > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. >> > >> > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) >> > >> > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to >> > mix n' match antenna's and such. >> > >> > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and >> > about StarOS. >> > >> > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having >> > to get new licenses every year is annoying. >> > >> > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. >> > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. >> > >> > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my >> > Mikrotik >> > routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in >> > finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left >> > high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. >> > >> > Anyone out there using one or both of these
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
From the very limited reading I did yesterday, there seems to be another problem with this route. Doesn't the nstream option require two radio cards at both ap and cpe? - Original Message - From: "JNA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Brett Hays'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:29 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system This is what we wanted to do was to use our rg's in place now and transfer the licenses to SEC and connect back to MT Bases to replace our kn205 TC bases. But from what I understand is that you must have MT on both the base and cpe to use the polling. I have not tried to experiment but I know you can enable polling at the base without checking the nstream option, but does this truly enable polling with a non nstream enabled client? John I am assuming he has mostly RG1100 and KN-50 clients like the rest of us. I know the RG's and KN-50's could be flashed back to standard 802.11b client software...not sure how nstream does its polling, does it require specific software on the CPE like Karlnet. We are in the same boat and should probably be considering a change as well. - Original Message - From: "Dan Metcalf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > With nstream you could do both > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf >> Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:41 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system >> >> If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need >> new >> cpe too it sounds like) I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 >> gig >> system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in >> addition to what you have. Then move people off as devices fail. >> >> It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. >> >> My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear >> as >> we get some more time on them. >> >> laters, >> Marlon >> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >> 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! >> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system >> >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I >> > think I >> > need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. >> > >> > My requirements for a replacement . >> > >> > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have >> > installed. >> > >> > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP >> > >> > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. >> > >> > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. >> > >> > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) >> > >> > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to >> > mix n' match antenna's and such. >> > >> > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and >> > about StarOS. >> > >> > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having >> > to get new licenses every year is annoying. >> > >> > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. >> > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. >> > >> > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my >> > Mikrotik >> > routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in >> > finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left >> > high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. >> > >> > Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another >> > system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? >&g
RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
This is what we wanted to do was to use our rg's in place now and transfer the licenses to SEC and connect back to MT Bases to replace our kn205 TC bases. But from what I understand is that you must have MT on both the base and cpe to use the polling. I have not tried to experiment but I know you can enable polling at the base without checking the nstream option, but does this truly enable polling with a non nstream enabled client? John > > I am assuming he has mostly RG1100 and KN-50 clients like the rest of us. > I > know the RG's and KN-50's could be flashed back to standard 802.11b client > software...not sure how nstream does its polling, does it require specific > software on the CPE like Karlnet. > > We are in the same boat and should probably be considering a change as > well. > > - Original Message - > From: "Dan Metcalf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:51 PM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > > > With nstream you could do both > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf > >> Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 > >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:41 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > >> > >> If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll > need > >> new > >> cpe too it sounds like) I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 > >> gig > >> system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up > in > >> addition to what you have. Then move people off as devices fail. > >> > >> It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. > >> > >> My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB > gear > >> as > >> we get some more time on them. > >> > >> laters, > >> Marlon > >> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > >> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own > wisp! > >> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM > >> Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > >> > >> > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think > I > >> > need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. > >> > > >> > My requirements for a replacement . > >> > > >> > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have > >> > installed. > >> > > >> > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP > >> > > >> > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. > >> > > >> > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. > >> > > >> > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) > >> > > >> > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability > to > >> > mix n' match antenna's and such. > >> > > >> > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and > >> > about StarOS. > >> > > >> > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, > having > >> > to get new licenses every year is annoying. > >> > > >> > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. > >> > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some > towers. > >> > > >> > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik > >> > routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in > >> > finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being > left > >> > high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. > >> > > >> > Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about > another >
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
Come on Rick - That is their price for testing their firmware in the field while you try to maintain your customer base and stop from loosing your A$$ deploying the Trango Tango stuff. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Gee, there's that "low price" of $475 again for a trango product. I swear someone broke the 1,2,3 keys on their keyboards! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system FWIW...if you're looking into 2.4, Trango is putting out a special on their 2.4 system for registered WiNOG attendees Trango Broadband Wireless WiNOG Coupon Offer http://www.trangobroadband.com Buy 5 M2400S SUs @ $475 each Get the M2400 AP for FREE! ($875 value) Order up to four 6-Packs per customer -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
Gee, there's that "low price" of $475 again for a trango product. I swear someone broke the 1,2,3 keys on their keyboards! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system FWIW...if you're looking into 2.4, Trango is putting out a special on their 2.4 system for registered WiNOG attendees Trango Broadband Wireless WiNOG Coupon Offer http://www.trangobroadband.com Buy 5 M2400S SUs @ $475 each Get the M2400 AP for FREE! ($875 value) Order up to four 6-Packs per customer -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
My advise, is to buy Trango, and start replacing one of your cells sites, and then the pulled units you can then use at your turbo cell sites. Tom DeReggi - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
You could always just enable rts/cts to get rid of hidden node. Of course at a significant speed penalty. Tom Dereggi - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
I use Star OS running on Routerboards with Orinoco cards. I do not see any hidden node problems. If your customers are not using their connections to be a host for peer to peer and other server based applications then hidden node is not really a problem. If you enforce your usage policies and such then you can easily use plain vanilla Wifi just fine. I do this on about 17 tower locations and all is well. Star OS is very much a key to this all working well. The built in management tools for the AP end are quite nice. I am a recovering Karlnet user though I never made the leap to Turbocell. I just always ran in Wifi compatible mode. I still have many Karlnet RG-1000s in the field. Bridging does not function on these in Wifi mode on a Star OS AP running with Orinoco cards. You could easily route a small subnet to those requiring a real IP address to their machine. The migration to Star OS as our AP platform went very smoothly and caused only minor headaches. This will be your least expensive and least painful solution I believe. Scriv Blair Davis wrote: Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
And you are totally against running purely 802.11? wi-fi? It would be pretty easy/cheap if that was an option. marlon - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > > > If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll > > need new cpe too it sounds like) > > The point of this is not to replace the antennas at the customer end. I > do no use 'all in one' antenna and radio on my existing Turbocell > system. All use a separate external antenna with the radio in a NEMA > box. I wish to replace just the radio boxes, not the antennas/amps. > > > I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig system. > > > Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in > > addition to what you have. > > I wish I could, but to put up a new tower antenna, I will have to pull > one of the old ones. Contract issues. > > > Then move people off as devices fail. > > > > It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. > > > > My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB > > gear as we get some more time on them. > > > > laters, > > Marlon > > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM > > Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I > >> need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. > >> > >> My requirements for a replacement . > >> > >> 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have > >> installed. > >> > >> 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP > >> > >> 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. > >> > >> 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. > >> > >> 4) low cost (yeah, right!) > >> > >> I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to > >> mix n' match antenna's and such. > >> > >> So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and > >> about StarOS. > >> > >> Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having > >> to get new licenses every year is annoying. > >> > >> StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. > >> This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. > >> > >> I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik > >> routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in > >> finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left > >> high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. > >> > >> Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another > >> system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> -- > >> Blair Davis > >> > >> AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > >> > >> West Michigan Wireless ISP > >> 269-686-8648 > >> > >> A division of: > >> Camp Communication Services, INC > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Blair Davis > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > 269-686-8648 > > A division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
Not with the same antennas and amps :-) - Original Message - From: "Dan Metcalf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > (could do both 2.4ghz and 5.xghz) > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:41 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > > > If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need new > > cpe too it sounds like) I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig > > system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in > > addition to what you have. Then move people off as devices fail. > > > > It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. > > > > My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear as > > we get some more time on them. > > > > laters, > > Marlon > > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM > > Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I > > > need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. > > > > > > My requirements for a replacement . > > > > > > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. > > > > > > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP > > > > > > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. > > > > > > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. > > > > > > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) > > > > > > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to > > > mix n' match antenna's and such. > > > > > > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and > > > about StarOS. > > > > > > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having > > > to get new licenses every year is annoying. > > > > > > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. > > > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. > > > > > > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik > > > routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in > > > finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left > > > high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. > > > > > > Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another > > > system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > -- > > > Blair Davis > > > > > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > > > > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > > > 269-686-8648 > > > > > > A division of: > > > Camp Communication Services, INC > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need new cpe too it sounds like) The point of this is not to replace the antennas at the customer end. I do no use 'all in one' antenna and radio on my existing Turbocell system. All use a separate external antenna with the radio in a NEMA box. I wish to replace just the radio boxes, not the antennas/amps. I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in addition to what you have. I wish I could, but to put up a new tower antenna, I will have to pull one of the old ones. Contract issues. Then move people off as devices fail. It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear as we get some more time on them. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
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Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
I am assuming he has mostly RG1100 and KN-50 clients like the rest of us. I know the RG's and KN-50's could be flashed back to standard 802.11b client software...not sure how nstream does its polling, does it require specific software on the CPE like Karlnet. We are in the same boat and should probably be considering a change as well. - Original Message - From: "Dan Metcalf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system With nstream you could do both -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need new cpe too it sounds like) I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in addition to what you have. Then move people off as devices fail. It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear as we get some more time on them. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > Hi all, > > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I > need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. > > My requirements for a replacement . > > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have > installed. > > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP > > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. > > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. > > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) > > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to > mix n' match antenna's and such. > > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and > about StarOS. > > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having > to get new licenses every year is annoying. > > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. > > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik > routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in > finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left > high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. > > Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another > system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? > > Thoughts? > > -- > Blair Davis > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > 269-686-8648 > > A division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
(could do both 2.4ghz and 5.xghz) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:41 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need new > cpe too it sounds like) I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig > system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in > addition to what you have. Then move people off as devices fail. > > It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. > > My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear as > we get some more time on them. > > laters, > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > > > Hi all, > > > > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I > > need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. > > > > My requirements for a replacement . > > > > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. > > > > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP > > > > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. > > > > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. > > > > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) > > > > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to > > mix n' match antenna's and such. > > > > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and > > about StarOS. > > > > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having > > to get new licenses every year is annoying. > > > > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. > > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. > > > > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik > > routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in > > finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left > > high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. > > > > Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another > > system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? > > > > Thoughts? > > > > -- > > Blair Davis > > > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > > 269-686-8648 > > > > A division of: > > Camp Communication Services, INC > > > > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
With nstream you could do both > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:41 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need new > cpe too it sounds like) I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig > system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in > addition to what you have. Then move people off as devices fail. > > It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. > > My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear as > we get some more time on them. > > laters, > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system > > > > Hi all, > > > > Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I > > need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. > > > > My requirements for a replacement . > > > > 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. > > > > 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP > > > > 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. > > > > 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. > > > > 4) low cost (yeah, right!) > > > > I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to > > mix n' match antenna's and such. > > > > So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and > > about StarOS. > > > > Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having > > to get new licenses every year is annoying. > > > > StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. > > This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. > > > > I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik > > routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in > > finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left > > high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. > > > > Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another > > system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? > > > > Thoughts? > > > > -- > > Blair Davis > > > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > > 269-686-8648 > > > > A division of: > > Camp Communication Services, INC > > > > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
If you are going to go that route and spend that much money (you'll need new cpe too it sounds like) I'd drop the 2.4 gig stuff and go with a new 5 gig system. Keep what you've got up on the tower and put the new gear up in addition to what you have. Then move people off as devices fail. It'll save you a LOT of time and trouble to go that way. My 5 gig system is still Trango. I'll look at the new Airaya and SB gear as we get some more time on them. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking fora new system
Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
