[WISPA] Major Disaster
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
You need to see what is going through your network from that AP. My suggestion is to get a packet sniffer set up between the AP and the Backhaul. You want to narrow the scope of your search with regards to the problem. The the problem could be caused by the type of traffic on your network or caused by the frequency that you are using or is caused by a hardware problem. - Larry Yunker _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Do you have public IPs on this tower, can one of us log in and look? Are you keeping cacti or MRTG graphs of your signal strength etc? If I still lived in Boonville I would be over in a heart-beat! ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
900MHz is scary to work with...we've seen problems in the past from someone just getting a wireless 900MHz baby monitor that would affect others in the general area of the home. It could also be that someone is hogging or trashing your bandwidth too. Do you implement any type of QoS? On 08/18/2010 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
My first instinct is this is a traffic issue. Are you monitoring traffic through the AP and SM's? Possible sources: Customer with an infected PC spewing upstream IP camera with a remote viewer - will use as much BW as it can gobble up P2P application seeding multiple streams - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
bridge loop? arp storm? That's an awful lot of clients on that one AP. If all your CPEs are in bridge mode you could have alot of customer routers creating an arp storm for you. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Do you have public IPs on this tower, can one of us log in and look? Are you keeping cacti or MRTG graphs of your signal strength etc? If I still lived in Boonville I would be over in a heart-beat! ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
All clients Changed channels several times NGL -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Also, is there a spectrum analyzer or something that will tell you what the noise looks like? It may be new interference. Possible sources: - Smart Meters - Farm Equipment Control Systems - Another 900MHz WISP (Canopy will beat up an 802.11 based 900 system) - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If you're assigning static IP's to customers, make sure you don't have a conflict. In the past with issues like this I would just start bumping people, starting with the newest ones first, until the issue clears up. We now run monitors that track down issues like this pretty quick too. Dude has helped us tremendously in situations like this. Sounds like a client may have a virus and is killing your system - especially if you're bridged. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster All clients Changed channels several times NGL -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ -- From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterWe have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support -- From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Can you check for packet loss on the loop? We've seen this kind of thing happen when a nic card in a BH radio went bad and started dropping a steady 20% of the packets. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.comwrote: You need to see what is going through your network from that AP. My suggestion is to get a packet sniffer set up between the AP and the Backhaul. You want to narrow the scope of your search with regards to the problem. The the problem could be caused by the type of traffic on your network or caused by the frequency that you are using or is caused by a hardware problem. - Larry Yunker -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:05 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:48 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ backhaul is on 900 too? -- From: Leon D. Zetekoffwa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:56 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times whats the data rates on the backhaul and the CPEs? *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it¹s either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:56:12 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 12:00 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 8/18/2010 11:56 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times whats the data rates on the backhaul and the CPEs? also what are signal levels from CPEs and backhauls? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If you have 50 clients on 5MHz you need to change IMO. - Original Message - From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ -- From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Log into 5 customer radios. Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs SSID. Change your AP SSID to match this new one. Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s). 50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterThat is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List From: Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it's either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support -- From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:56:12 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ^ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ^ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ^ Tower Climbing ^ Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Ryan is correct. 50 clients on 900 5mhz is quite a bit, even at sub 128k service levels. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:12:03 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Log into 5 customer radios. Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs SSID. Change your AP SSID to match this new one. Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s). 50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 12:18 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: That is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it's either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net is this a bridged or routed network? One thing you might also want to try is PPPoE authentication to get rid of the broadcast traffic interfering with data. 5 mHz channels is really a slow channel as others mentioned with all those CPEs. We only went down to 10 mHz channels that worked well once other things were fixed (like routers/bridged) Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterThere are some troubleshooting steps you need to take. I don't see them listed here. Call me and we'll talk this out some more. 509.988.0260 First, what speed do you see on the network from the noc? What speed at the end of the backhaul? What happens when you go to a customer's site and change the ssid on the ap and client and run a test. Basically, you want to keep cutting the network in half until you find a point at which the failure is taking place. They are working on my phone right now so give me till about 1pm pacific time and drop me a line while you are at the tower site. 509.988.0260 laters, marlon - Original Message - From: ~NGL~ To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster That is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List From: Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it's either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:56:12 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ^ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ^ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ^ Tower Climbing ^ Network Support -- From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better. Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP and clients? Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: Log into 5 customer radios. Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs SSID. Change your AP SSID to match this new one. Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s). 50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
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From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
I would say you are overloading the AP. Probably caused by a client
sending a bunch of junk packets and overloading it. What is the
modulation speed that your clients are connecting at? I would try
disabling the clients that are running 1mbs, see if that helps.
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On 8/18/2010 2:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
--
From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
It sounds like you are focusing in on a radio problem but you have ignored the possibility of a traffic-related problem. You need to recognize that in a non-polling or a dynamic-polling environment, the upstream traffic from your clients will have an impact on the performance of your network and can quite literally overwhelm the processor on many access points. - Larry Yunker _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If I replace the 180 degree antenna and replace it with 3 tr-902 -11 what
spacing do I need between them?
NGL
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From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:02 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
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From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Don't know if this is possible at your site, but can you add a second AP? Just
switch polarity, channels and try to separate the antenna by 10'+
Then start moving clients over until you have them ~50/50.
Good luck.
On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
--
From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Whoops, sorry. My last reply suggested adding an AP w/different polarity. That would require going to 1/2 the clients and rotating their antenna. (was thinking of Trango's automatic polarity switching) On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18% At time getting to AP is ify Firmware is 5.0.5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Don't use the 180Degree antenna.
use 2 TR-902-11 they have 55*H and 60*V... should be good to go with 2.
I would also look into a zcomax in a mikrotik or at the least, an EL-900:
http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/EL-900-Series @ $300 they are not
too bad.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:38 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:
If I replace the 180 degree antenna and replace it with 3 tr-902 -11 what
spacing do I need between them?
NGL
--
From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:02 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about
18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
--
From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up
and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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