Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
I am using a 'cheap' H-Pol omni, 9.5db or so, about $450, and a 9db V-Pol omni, about 6ft tall!!! It works... ok. on 900MHz , antennas are big and expensive. I am currently looking at an 11db H-Pol omni, waveguide type... about 11ft tall... and almost $1k with shipping. A V-Pol 11db omni is over 11ft tall... I find that you can get thru about 150 yards of medium-heavy tree cover when leafed out. I use 14 or 17 db yagi's from TrueGain on any cpe that is below -75 when leafed out Another thing we have learned is to use a mast and tripod when using the 900MHz on a roof. get the antenna up away from the roof Too much multipath otherwise... But, don't promise too much to the clients They are not gonna watch netflix in prime time... I tend to get about 6-8Mb/s thru the AP... And no more than 3-4Mb/s at any one client... I sell it as an alternative to Sat... And tell them up front to forget netflix... Latency is also a bit variable. If you have a spectrum analyzer, get it up on the leg with an omni of each type and get a day in each polarity. If the noise floor is above -88 or so, IMO, don't use UBNT for 900MHz... Narrow channels are, IMO, the key to 900MHz, but then you limit thruput... I've thrown probably $50K down the 900MHz rathole in the last 8 years. The UBNT M900 gear is the first gear, IMO, that is cheap enough to use in the 900MHz but still works well enough to be worth the money. I also put up a 2.4GHz AP with a downtilted omni anywhere I do a 900MHz AP Try hard to put people on the 2.4GHz AP. YMMV Our answer, for most areas now, is micro or mini POP's We will use a 900MHz backhaul PtP to get into a location, then put up a 2.4GHz AP for the few houses it can see. On 3/16/2012 11:08 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Blair, how is this setup working? Is this a real Option for future deployments? I have a grain Leg that would be perfect 25 homes within a 2 mile radius, however, light to moderate woods at 1 Mile almost 100% around the Gran leg. Backhaul not a problem from top but without 900 I cant get 1 mile and only 3 house. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 opps! V-pol on chain 1 On 3/13/2012 9:02 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Reverse them. Put the H-pol omni on chain 0 and the V-pol on chain. Works much better. Not sure why, but my field testing proved it. On 3/13/2012 5:42 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: We are looking into a situation like this, using a 900 Vertical Omni with on chain 0 and a Horizontal Omni on chain 1 with about 10 foot pf spacing between the two. I too would like to know if anyone else has done this.. Ryan On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and pointed it toward the majority of customers. --- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net wrote: From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM I have somecustomersinsidea 1 mileradius of a POP.We wantto use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't fin
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
You could always use a LocoM900 with the omni, but don't expect to go very far through trees but better than 2.4. -- Original Message -- From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:26:14 -0400 I have some customers inside a 1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have any experience doing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
Blair, how is this setup working? Is this a real Option for future deployments? I have a grain Leg that would be perfect 25 homes within a 2 mile radius, however, light to moderate woods at 1 Mile almost 100% around the Gran leg. Backhaul not a problem from top but without 900 I cant get 1 mile and only 3 house. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFihttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 opps! V-pol on chain 1 On 3/13/2012 9:02 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Reverse them. Put the H-pol omni on chain 0 and the V-pol on chain. Works much better. Not sure why, but my field testing proved it. On 3/13/2012 5:42 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: We are looking into a situation like this, using a 900 Vertical Omni with on chain 0 and a Horizontal Omni on chain 1 with about 10 foot pf spacing between the two. I too would like to know if anyone else has done this.. Ryan On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote: What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and pointed it toward the majority of customers. --- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.netmailto:edua...@webjogger.net wrote: From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.netmailto:edua...@webjogger.net Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM I have some customers inside a 1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have any experience doing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.nethttp://www.webjogger.net -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
What is the gain of those omnis? Eduardo - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 We are looking into a situation like this, using a 900 Vertical Omni with on chain 0 and a Horizontal Omni on chain 1 with about 10 foot pf spacing between the two. I too would like to know if anyone else has done this.. Ryan On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and pointed it toward the majority of customers. --- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net wrote: From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM I have some customers inside a 1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have any experience doing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
We use an 9.8db H-Pol and an 11db Mainly for size and wind resistance. H on 0, V on 1 On 3/14/2012 8:42 AM, Eduardo wrote: What is the gain of those omnis? Eduardo - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 We are looking into a situation like this, using a 900 Vertical Omni with on chain 0 and a Horizontal Omni on chain 1 with about 10 foot pf spacing between the two. I too would like to know if anyone else has done this.. Ryan On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and pointed it toward the majority of customers. --- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net wrote: From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM I have somecustomersinsidea 1 mileradius of a POP.We wantto use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have anyexperiencedoing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
I have some customers inside a 1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have any experience doing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and
pointed it toward the majority of customers.
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I have some customers inside a
1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket M900 with an omni
antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find
any
MIMO 900MHz omni available.
Does anyone have
any experience doing this?
Thanks,
Eduardo
Webjogger Internet
Services
www.webjogger.net
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Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
We are looking into a situation like this, using a 900 Vertical Omni with on chain 0 and a Horizontal Omni on chain 1 with about 10 foot pf spacing between the two. I too would like to know if anyone else has done this.. Ryan On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and pointed it toward the majority of customers. --- On *Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net* wrote: From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM I have some customers inside a 1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have any experience doing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
Hi Jason, Sorry I didn't get it. Do you mean using both an omni and a panel? Eduardo - Original Message - From: Jason Bailey To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and pointed it toward the majority of customers. --- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net wrote: From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM I have some customers inside a 1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have any experience doing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
Correct. I was going to use a 50 termination on the unused port,then decided to make use of the loco's mimo on the cpe side. It works very well. Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:47:29 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
Reverse them. Put the H-pol omni on chain 0 and the V-pol on chain. Works much better. Not sure why, but my field testing proved it. On 3/13/2012 5:42 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: We are looking into a situation like this, using a 900 Vertical Omni with on chain 0 and a Horizontal Omni on chain 1 with about 10 foot pf spacing between the two. I too would like to know if anyone else has done this.. Ryan On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and pointed it toward the majority of customers. --- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net wrote: From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM I have somecustomersinsidea 1 mileradius of a POP.We wantto use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have anyexperiencedoing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
opps! V-pol on chain 1 On 3/13/2012 9:02 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Reverse them. Put the H-pol omni on chain 0 and the V-pol on chain. Works much better. Not sure why, but my field testing proved it. On 3/13/2012 5:42 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: We are looking into a situation like this, using a 900 Vertical Omni with on chain 0 and a Horizontal Omni on chain 1 with about 10 foot pf spacing between the two. I too would like to know if anyone else has done this.. Ryan On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and pointed it toward the majority of customers. --- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net wrote: From: Eduardo edua...@webjogger.net Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900 To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM I have somecustomersinsidea 1 mileradius of a POP.We wantto use a rocket M900 with an omni antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find any MIMO 900MHz omni available. Does anyone have anyexperiencedoing this? Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
