Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
ThanksDavid, I'll try this and let you know Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy networkFrom: "David Williamson" dwilliam...@customcomputersva.comDate: Fri, November 11, 2011 7:19 pmTo: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Wow, I would not bridge the radios if I were you. That is a really dangerous network proposition for creating unnecessary ARP and broadcast traffic, and if you get someone infected with a virus or malware, it could take down your entire network. We started out 3 ½ years ago doing that, but within about 40-50 customers we realized it was a potential nightmare and we quickly moved to NAT’ing all of our customers at the radio. Now, the only customers that get bridged are ones that pay an extra $10/mo. for a static public IP address. It is much safer that way in my opinion. I would definitely reconsider this topology and what possible heartburn it can cause you, especially when it is on a WLAN network and you cannot control what all your sub’s are able to do, like you can in a controlled enterprise environment. Just my 2 cents. Take it for what it’s worth… Regards, David WilliamsonOwner Custom Computers Winchester Wireless 2979 Valley Avenue Winchester, VA 22601 http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com Work 1: 540.722.9688 x223 Work 2: 540-665-0800 x223 Toll Free Fax: 877-765-3700 da...@customcomputersva.com da...@winchesterwireless.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwall...@tigernet.usSent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:32 PMTo: WISPA General List; Scottie ArnettSubject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy networkImportance: High Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each customer. Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy networkFrom: "Scottie Arnett" sarn...@info-ed.comDate: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pmTo: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything. Scottie ArnettPresidentInfo-Ed, Inc.Electronics and More931-243-2101sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista orMS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. "local area Connection properties" dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the "Quick Launch toolbar". When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message "Unidentified Network, No Network Access" appears. It seems "Internet Explorer" reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy networkFrom: "Scottie Arnett" sarn...@info-ed.comDate: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 amTo: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie ArnettPresidentInfo-Ed, Inc.Electronics and More931-243-2101sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. A
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
David... Makes total sense. I wish there was a way to +1 You!!! - bob On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:19 AM, David Williamson dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com wrote: Wow, I would not bridge the radios if I were you. That is a really dangerous network proposition for creating unnecessary ARP and broadcast traffic, and if you get someone infected with a virus or malware, it could take down your entire network. We started out 3 ½ years ago doing that, but within about 40-50 customers we realized it was a potential nightmare and we quickly moved to NAT’ing all of our customers at the radio. Now, the only customers that get bridged are ones that pay an extra $10/mo. for a static public IP address. It is much safer that way in my opinion. ** ** I would definitely reconsider this topology and what possible heartburn it can cause you, especially when it is on a WLAN network and you cannot control what all your sub’s are able to do, like you can in a controlled enterprise environment. ** ** Just my 2 cents. Take it for what it’s worth… ** ** Regards, ** ** David Williamson Owner Custom Computers Winchester Wireless 2979 Valley Avenue Winchester, VA 22601 Bob Wan Kim Technology Consultant on Plastic Surgeon Group http://sparkah.com/2011/11/12/top-plastic-surgeons-in-sf-san-francisco-to-see-in-2012/ 2611 S. PCH 101 San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista orMS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. "local area Connection properties" dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the "Quick Launch toolbar". When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message "Unidentified Network, No Network Access" appears. It seems "Internet Explorer" reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy networkFrom: "Scottie Arnett" sarn...@info-ed.comDate: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 amTo: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie ArnettPresidentInfo-Ed, Inc.Electronics and More931-243-2101sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
DHCP? Sounds like it doesn't like the static addresses, so hand them out DHCP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 11, 2011 5:21 PM, rwall...@tigernet.us wrote: Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista or MS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the Quick Launch toolbar. When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears. It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - *From:* rwall...@tigernet.us *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM *Subject:* [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each customer. Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy networkFrom: "Scottie Arnett" sarn...@info-ed.comDate: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pmTo: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything. Scottie ArnettPresidentInfo-Ed, Inc.Electronics and More931-243-2101sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista orMS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. "local area Connection properties" dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the "Quick Launch toolbar". When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message "Unidentified Network, No Network Access" appears. It seems "Internet Explorer" reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy networkFrom: "Scottie Arnett" sarn...@info-ed.comDate: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 amTo: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie ArnettPresidentInfo-Ed, Inc.Electronics and More931-243-2101sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
--- Did some goggling, and found some threads regarding similar issues, assuming that your network is fine and all connectivity / firewall /dns is good.. you may want to try this... Ok, this same problem cropped up this past weekend on my sons Dell xps800 Win7HmProfessional...I searched the problem here and found this thread and another. I tried without success on some of the proposed solutions and worked myself up to a significant level of frustration. Finally I decided to try to call Dell since the computer is still under warranty (less than a year old). Luckily I got someone who I could understand. Here is the solution which worked 100% for me and it is REALLY EASY. I will try to get the essential steps here but you may need to look for a little bit of additional info if not used to working with the CMD prompt box. Start button enter CMD in the search box, this brings up the black command line box. Then go to the small Black Icon for the cmd window at the bottom of the screen -- Right click that and choose Run as Administrator. This opens yet one more Black command line box this is the one you will type into from now on. type in the following with the _ being a space netsh_winsock_resetthen hit enter. Then you'll get a message that includes Restart is Required... Close these black boxes and all other open windows/programs and restart the computer. Viola your problem is fixed. * Proposed As Answer byJustWantedToHelphttp://social.technet.microsoft.com/profile/justwantedtohelp/?type=forumreferrer=http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/bg-BG/w7itpronetworking/thread/c0c52150-098c-4c5f-b2f9-8b7170b6f69fMonday, November 01, 2010 2:52 PM * = Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/11/2011 5:21 PM, rwall...@tigernet.us wrote: Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista or MS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the Quick Launch toolbar. When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears. It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com mailto:sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org ? Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com mailto:sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - *From:* rwall...@tigernet.us mailto:rwall...@tigernet.us *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM *Subject:* [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us mailto:rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
If you are bridging radios,whats to stop a client from plugging a router in backwards,or any other ip device? Route at the cpe,192.x or 10.x either way you should be good. --- On Fri, 11/11/11, rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us wrote: From: rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:31 PM Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each customer. Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pm To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista or MS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the Quick Launch toolbar. When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears. It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
Wow, I would not bridge the radios if I were you. That is a really dangerous network proposition for creating unnecessary ARP and broadcast traffic, and if you get someone infected with a virus or malware, it could take down your entire network. We started out 3 ½ years ago doing that, but within about 40-50 customers we realized it was a potential nightmare and we quickly moved to NAT’ing all of our customers at the radio. Now, the only customers that get bridged are ones that pay an extra $10/mo. for a static public IP address. It is much safer that way in my opinion. I would definitely reconsider this topology and what possible heartburn it can cause you, especially when it is on a WLAN network and you cannot control what all your sub’s are able to do, like you can in a controlled enterprise environment. Just my 2 cents. Take it for what it’s worth… Regards, David Williamson Owner Custom Computers Winchester Wireless 2979 Valley Avenue Winchester, VA 22601 http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com Work 1: 540.722.9688 x223 Work 2: 540-665-0800 x223 Toll Free Fax: 877-765-3700 da...@customcomputersva.com mailto:da...@customcomputersva.com da...@winchesterwireless.com mailto:da...@winchesterwireless.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwall...@tigernet.us Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List; Scottie Arnett Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Importance: High Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each customer. Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pm To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista or MS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the Quick Launch toolbar. When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears. It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
Yea, I was going to suggest this also. I thought if he were already doing DHCP to try the bridge to see if it made a difference. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Jason Bailey To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network If you are bridging radios,whats to stop a client from plugging a router in backwards,or any other ip device? Route at the cpe,192.x or 10.x either way you should be good. --- On Fri, 11/11/11, rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us wrote: From: rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:31 PM Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each customer. Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pm To: WISPA General List MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be wireless@wispa.org So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista or MS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the Quick Launch toolbar. When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears. It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am To: WISPA General List MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location
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Yup, I agree 100%. That is one of the many reasons we stopped bridging about 40 sub’s in on our WISP and began NAT’ing at that point… Regards, David Williamson Owner Custom Computers Winchester Wireless 2979 Valley Avenue Winchester, VA 22601 http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com Work 1: 540.722.9688 x223 Work 2: 540-665-0800 x223 Toll Free Fax: 877-765-3700 da...@customcomputersva.com mailto:da...@customcomputersva.com da...@winchesterwireless.com mailto:da...@winchesterwireless.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network If you are bridging radios,whats to stop a client from plugging a router in backwards,or any other ip device? Route at the cpe,192.x or 10.x either way you should be good. --- On Fri, 11/11/11, rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us wrote: From: rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:31 PM Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each customer. Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pm To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista or MS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the Quick Launch toolbar. When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears. It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com http://us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message
[WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
Yes, it is most likely the LAN subnet on the radio that is causing the problem. Microsoft made 169.254.x.x subnets non-routable beginning with Windows Vista operating system. We had this problem about almost two years ago and once we finally figured it out, we just changed all of our radio LAN subnets from 169.254.1.x to 192.168.10.x subnet and it 100% solved this problem. This problem only exists with firmware 9.5 or higher if memory serves me correctly, because I remember we initially rolled back firmware and it solved the issue “temporarily”, but the long-term fix was to change all the LAN subnets on the NAT’d radios. I hope this helps. Regards, David Williamson Owner Custom Computers Winchester Wireless 2979 Valley Avenue Winchester, VA 22601 http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com Work 1: 540.722.9688 x223 Work 2: 540-665-0800 x223 Toll Free Fax: 877-765-3700 da...@customcomputersva.com mailto:da...@customcomputersva.com da...@winchesterwireless.com mailto:da...@winchesterwireless.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
It might be better to use an even less frequently used block of RFC1918/IANA reserved address space. I'd avoid the ones that most home routers use out-of-the-box which is usually in the 192.168.x.x range. The 10.x.x.x and 172.16.x.x are more virgin territory. Greg On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:28 AM, David Williamson wrote: Yes, it is most likely the LAN subnet on the radio that is causing the problem. Microsoft made 169.254.x.x subnets non-routable beginning with Windows Vista operating system. We had this problem about almost two years ago and once we finally figured it out, we just changed all of our radio LAN subnets from 169.254.1.x to 192.168.10.x subnet and it 100% solved this problem. This problem only exists with firmware 9.5 or higher if memory serves me correctly, because I remember we initially rolled back firmware and it solved the issue “temporarily”, but the long-term fix was to change all the LAN subnets on the NAT’d radios. I hope this helps. Regards, David Williamson Owner Custom Computers Winchester Wireless 2979 Valley Avenue Winchester, VA 22601 http://www.customcomputersva.com http://www.winchesterwireless.com Work 1: 540.722.9688 x223 Work 2: 540-665-0800 x223 Toll Free Fax: 877-765-3700 da...@customcomputersva.com da...@winchesterwireless.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
