subject:"\[WISPA\] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium"

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-08 Thread lar

On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:07:08 -0400
  Clay Stewart  wrote:
> Has anyone used one of these to 'upgrade' a site to 24VDC while keeping it
> 24VDC?
> 
> http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70069882#tab=specs
> 
Not that exact device but I have used
http://www.zahninc.com/su1A.html

to step up from 24 to 48V. You have to understand how much current you need.
I have changed from 24V supplies to 48V supplies a couple of years ago
since the 24V load was a lot less than the 48V one. (Now if the world would
standardize on +48 or -48.)

DC-DC converters work very well if you keep them inside there power envelope.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:
> 
>> That has been true, but it seems like the cell world has been moving to
>> 48V lately.
>> Examples:
>> Alvarion carrier WiMax (2.5Ghz), macro and micro uses 48V (maybe you can
>> get it in 24V, the stuff I've seen has all been 48V)
>> With packet optical, if you put a Cyan box in that uses 24V you
>> need separate linecard spares as they aren't compatible with the 48V stuff
>> in core.
>> More microwave backhauls are at 48V. Newer all-outdoor ones are using POE+
>> / 802.3at which is 48V.
>> Cisco ASR901S pole-mount routers output POE+ so you have one outdoor box
>> to take your fiber and go to microwave to other sites.
>> Most Ethernet switches are AC or -48DC.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/6/2013 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they
>>> > weren't always 48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems
>>> > producing noise at 48v.
>>>
>>> The commercial wireless world (cell sites) is all 24 volt.  The wireline
>>> world is 48 volt.  So I can see why they would use 24 volts, but 48 is
>>> usually only for central office buildings, where there is no radio gear
>>> except, perhaps, some old-fashioned fixed microwave.  A handful of
>>> competitive players are doing microwave collocation in COs, but given
>>> the cost, a power converter would be the least of their worries.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message - From: "Robert"
>>> >  To: "paolo difrancesco"
>>> > , "WISPA General List"
>>> >  Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:18:33 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
>>> >
>>> > Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>>> > less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>>> > customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>> >> Hi Josh
>>> >>
>>> >> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a
>>> >> business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other
>>> >> vendors than a real technical need
>>> >>
>>> >> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the
>>> >> site? Hum
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
>>> >>> St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>> >>> >> >>> <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi all
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if
>>> >>> somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform
>>> >>> better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>>> >>> Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>> >>> improvements :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>&

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Bob Moldashel

Yes.  But not that large.  We use the 7 amp version with the fan for all 
microwave installs for cell carriers.  Metro PCS is one carrier that has 24 vdc 
power plant. We use the larger unit so it runs super cool.  Never had a bad one 
in over 5 years...

Bob




On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Clay Stewart  
wrote:

> Has anyone used one of these to 'upgrade' a site to 24VDC while keeping it 
> 24VDC?
> 
> http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70069882#tab=specs
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:
>> That has been true, but it seems like the cell world has been moving to 48V 
>> lately.
>> Examples:
>> Alvarion carrier WiMax (2.5Ghz), macro and micro uses 48V (maybe you can get 
>> it in 24V, the stuff I've seen has all been 48V)
>> With packet optical, if you put a Cyan box in that uses 24V you need 
>> separate linecard spares as they aren't compatible with the 48V stuff in 
>> core.
>> More microwave backhauls are at 48V. Newer all-outdoor ones are using POE+ / 
>> 802.3at which is 48V.
>> Cisco ASR901S pole-mount routers output POE+ so you have one outdoor box to 
>> take your fiber and go to microwave to other sites. 
>> Most Ethernet switches are AC or -48DC. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2013 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they
>>> > weren't always 48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems
>>> > producing noise at 48v.
>>> 
>>> The commercial wireless world (cell sites) is all 24 volt.  The wireline
>>> world is 48 volt.  So I can see why they would use 24 volts, but 48 is
>>> usually only for central office buildings, where there is no radio gear
>>> except, perhaps, some old-fashioned fixed microwave.  A handful of
>>> competitive players are doing microwave collocation in COs, but given
>>> the cost, a power converter would be the least of their worries.
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message - From: "Robert"
>>> >  To: "paolo difrancesco"
>>> > , "WISPA General List"
>>> >  Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:18:33 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
>>> >
>>> > Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>>> > less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>>> > customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>> >> Hi Josh
>>> >>
>>> >> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a
>>> >> business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other
>>> >> vendors than a real technical need
>>> >>
>>> >> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the
>>> >> site? Hum
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
>>> >>> St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>> >>> >> >>> <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi all
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if
>>> >>> somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform
>>> >>> better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>>> >>> Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>> >>> improvements :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Rubens Kuhl

Gigabit Ethernet requires all 4 pairs, so passive PoE wasn't an option.
If using active PoE, going with 802.3af makes more sense, and its 48v by
standard.

I don't think UBNT was trying any lock-in with this move. It was this way
or having separate admin / data interfaces, with the admin being 100 Mbps
with passive PoE and the data port Gigabit with no PoE.

Rubens



On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco <
paolo.difrance...@level7.it> wrote:

> Hi Josh
>
> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a
> real technical need
>
> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site?
> Hum
>
> Thank you
>
>
> > Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
> > mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
> > using them with success.
> > Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
> >
> > Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
> Ubiquiti
> > will implement that sooner or later...
> >
> > Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
> > improvements :)
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
> >
> > Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
> >
> > Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
> >
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> >
> >
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Curnutt

I have used one to go the other way, 48 VDC in to 24 VDC out, on a TSI
UPS/PowerSupply and it has worked flawlessly for 2 years in an outside
enclosure.

Phil


On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Clay Stewart <
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:

> Has anyone used one of these to 'upgrade' a site to 24VDC while keeping it
> 24VDC?
>
> http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70069882#tab=specs
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:
>
>> That has been true, but it seems like the cell world has been moving to
>> 48V lately.
>> Examples:
>> Alvarion carrier WiMax (2.5Ghz), macro and micro uses 48V (maybe you can
>> get it in 24V, the stuff I've seen has all been 48V)
>> With packet optical, if you put a Cyan box in that uses 24V you
>> need separate linecard spares as they aren't compatible with the 48V stuff
>> in core.
>> More microwave backhauls are at 48V. Newer all-outdoor ones are using
>> POE+ / 802.3at which is 48V.
>> Cisco ASR901S pole-mount routers output POE+ so you have one outdoor box
>> to take your fiber and go to microwave to other sites.
>> Most Ethernet switches are AC or -48DC.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/6/2013 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they
>>> > weren't always 48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems
>>> > producing noise at 48v.
>>>
>>> The commercial wireless world (cell sites) is all 24 volt.  The wireline
>>> world is 48 volt.  So I can see why they would use 24 volts, but 48 is
>>> usually only for central office buildings, where there is no radio gear
>>> except, perhaps, some old-fashioned fixed microwave.  A handful of
>>> competitive players are doing microwave collocation in COs, but given
>>> the cost, a power converter would be the least of their worries.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message - From: "Robert"
>>> >  To: "paolo difrancesco"
>>> > , "WISPA General List"
>>> >  Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:18:33 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
>>> >
>>> > Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>>> > less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>>> > customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>> >> Hi Josh
>>> >>
>>> >> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a
>>> >> business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other
>>> >> vendors than a real technical need
>>> >>
>>> >> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the
>>> >> site? Hum
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
>>> >>> St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>> >>> >> >>> <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi all
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if
>>> >>> somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform
>>> >>> better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>>> >>> Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>> >>> improvements :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>> >>>
>>> &

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Clay Stewart

Has anyone used one of these to 'upgrade' a site to 24VDC while keeping it
24VDC?

http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70069882#tab=specs



On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:

> That has been true, but it seems like the cell world has been moving to
> 48V lately.
> Examples:
> Alvarion carrier WiMax (2.5Ghz), macro and micro uses 48V (maybe you can
> get it in 24V, the stuff I've seen has all been 48V)
> With packet optical, if you put a Cyan box in that uses 24V you
> need separate linecard spares as they aren't compatible with the 48V stuff
> in core.
> More microwave backhauls are at 48V. Newer all-outdoor ones are using POE+
> / 802.3at which is 48V.
> Cisco ASR901S pole-mount routers output POE+ so you have one outdoor box
> to take your fiber and go to microwave to other sites.
> Most Ethernet switches are AC or -48DC.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2013 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they
>> > weren't always 48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems
>> > producing noise at 48v.
>>
>> The commercial wireless world (cell sites) is all 24 volt.  The wireline
>> world is 48 volt.  So I can see why they would use 24 volts, but 48 is
>> usually only for central office buildings, where there is no radio gear
>> except, perhaps, some old-fashioned fixed microwave.  A handful of
>> competitive players are doing microwave collocation in COs, but given
>> the cost, a power converter would be the least of their worries.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> > - Original Message - From: "Robert"
>> >  To: "paolo difrancesco"
>> > , "WISPA General List"
>> >  Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:18:33 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
>> >
>> > Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>> > less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>> > customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> >> Hi Josh
>> >>
>> >> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a
>> >> business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other
>> >> vendors than a real technical need
>> >>
>> >> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the
>> >> site? Hum
>> >>
>> >> Thank you
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>> >>>
>> >>> Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
>> >>> St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
>> >>>
>> >>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>> >>> > >>> <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all
>> >>>
>> >>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if
>> >>> somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform
>> >>> better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>> >>>
>> >>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>> >>> Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later...
>> >>>
>> >>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>> >>> improvements :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>> >>>
>> >>> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>> >>>
>> >>> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>> >>>
>> >>> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072
>> >>>  assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432
>> >>>  web: http://www.level7.it
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Gino Villarini

All the LTE gear we have researched are -48vdc

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Apr 7, 2013, at 4:42 PM, "Jon Auer" 
mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:

That has been true, but it seems like the cell world has been moving to 48V 
lately.
Examples:
Alvarion carrier WiMax (2.5Ghz), macro and micro uses 48V (maybe you can get it 
in 24V, the stuff I've seen has all been 48V)
With packet optical, if you put a Cyan box in that uses 24V you need separate 
linecard spares as they aren't compatible with the 48V stuff in core.
More microwave backhauls are at 48V. Newer all-outdoor ones are using POE+ / 
802.3at which is 48V.
Cisco ASR901S pole-mount routers output POE+ so you have one outdoor box to 
take your fiber and go to microwave to other sites.
Most Ethernet switches are AC or -48DC.



On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
On 4/6/2013 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they
> weren't always 48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems
> producing noise at 48v.

The commercial wireless world (cell sites) is all 24 volt.  The wireline
world is 48 volt.  So I can see why they would use 24 volts, but 48 is
usually only for central office buildings, where there is no radio gear
except, perhaps, some old-fashioned fixed microwave.  A handful of
competitive players are doing microwave collocation in COs, but given
the cost, a power converter would be the least of their worries.

>
>
> - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message - From: "Robert"
> mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>> To: "paolo 
> difrancesco"
> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>, "WISPA 
> General List"
> mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 
> 11:18:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
>
> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>
>
> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Hi Josh
>>
>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a
>> business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other
>> vendors than a real technical need
>>
>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the
>> site? Hum
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
>>> St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>
>>> <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it<mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if
>>> somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform
>>> better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>>
>>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>>> Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later...
>>>
>>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>> improvements :)
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>
>>> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>>
>>> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>>>
>>> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072
>>>  assistenza: (+39) 
>>> 091-8776432
>>>  web: http://www.level7.it
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Jon Auer

That has been true, but it seems like the cell world has been moving to 48V
lately.
Examples:
Alvarion carrier WiMax (2.5Ghz), macro and micro uses 48V (maybe you can
get it in 24V, the stuff I've seen has all been 48V)
With packet optical, if you put a Cyan box in that uses 24V you
need separate linecard spares as they aren't compatible with the 48V stuff
in core.
More microwave backhauls are at 48V. Newer all-outdoor ones are using POE+
/ 802.3at which is 48V.
Cisco ASR901S pole-mount routers output POE+ so you have one outdoor box to
take your fiber and go to microwave to other sites.
Most Ethernet switches are AC or -48DC.



On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> On 4/6/2013 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they
> > weren't always 48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems
> > producing noise at 48v.
>
> The commercial wireless world (cell sites) is all 24 volt.  The wireline
> world is 48 volt.  So I can see why they would use 24 volts, but 48 is
> usually only for central office buildings, where there is no radio gear
> except, perhaps, some old-fashioned fixed microwave.  A handful of
> competitive players are doing microwave collocation in COs, but given
> the cost, a power converter would be the least of their worries.
>
> >
> >
> > - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Robert"
> >  To: "paolo difrancesco"
> > , "WISPA General List"
> >  Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:18:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
> >
> > Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
> > less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
> > customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
> >
> >
> > On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> >> Hi Josh
> >>
> >> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a
> >> business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other
> >> vendors than a real technical need
> >>
> >> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the
> >> site? Hum
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> >>
> >>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
> >>> St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
> >>>  >>> <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if
> >>> somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform
> >>> better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
> >>>
> >>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
> >>> Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later...
> >>>
> >>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
> >>> improvements :)
> >>>
> >>> Thank you
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Paolo Di Francesco

Hi Mike

do you know any good DC-Dc isolated converter?

Or maybe it could be easier to find some +24V to +48V converter

Thank you
Paolo

> It's best to get an isolated DC-DC converter to move from +48 to -48. The 
> Titanium is 802.3af compliant, which I believe is +48v.
>
>
>
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 6:01:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
>
> Hi Matt
>
> well, for sure the "classical" telco is -48V but lately I did not see
> any WISP product running in the 48V arena.
>
> Maybe I should check mikrotik but I do not rember any new mikrotik
> product running at 48V.
>
> by the way: does the ubiquiti titanium works with -48V? I see 48V and I
> am assuming +48 but in theory it should run also the -48, but always a
> good idea to ask :)
>
> Regards
> Paolo
>
>
>
>> How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts on 
>> all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>>> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>>> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>>> Hi Josh
>>>>
>>>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
>>>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a
>>>> real technical need
>>>>
>>>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? 
>>>> Hum
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>>>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>>  I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>>>>>  using them with success.
>>>>>  Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>>>>
>>>>>  Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if 
>>>>> Ubiquiti
>>>>>  will implement that sooner or later...
>>>>>
>>>>>  Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>>>>  improvements :)
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Mike Hammett

It's best to get an isolated DC-DC converter to move from +48 to -48. The 
Titanium is 802.3af compliant, which I believe is +48v.



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- Original Message -
From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 6:01:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

Hi Matt

well, for sure the "classical" telco is -48V but lately I did not see 
any WISP product running in the 48V arena.

Maybe I should check mikrotik but I do not rember any new mikrotik 
product running at 48V.

by the way: does the ubiquiti titanium works with -48V? I see 48V and I 
am assuming +48 but in theory it should run also the -48, but always a 
good idea to ask :)

Regards
Paolo



> How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts on 
> all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>>
>>
>> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>> Hi Josh
>>>
>>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
>>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a
>>> real technical need
>>>
>>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>>>> using them with success.
>>>> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>>>
>>>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
>>>> will implement that sooner or later...
>>>>
>>>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>>> improvements :)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>>
>>>> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>>>
>>>> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>>>>
>>>> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
>>>> Fax : +39-091-8772072 
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>>>> web: http://www.level7.it
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-07 Thread Paolo Di Francesco

Hi Matt

well, for sure the "classical" telco is -48V but lately I did not see 
any WISP product running in the 48V arena.

Maybe I should check mikrotik but I do not rember any new mikrotik 
product running at 48V.

by the way: does the ubiquiti titanium works with -48V? I see 48V and I 
am assuming +48 but in theory it should run also the -48, but always a 
good idea to ask :)

Regards
Paolo



> How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts on 
> all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>>
>>
>> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>> Hi Josh
>>>
>>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
>>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a
>>> real technical need
>>>
>>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
 Ya...better.  Different voltage though.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
 mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:

 Hi all

 I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
 using them with success.
 Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti

 Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
 will implement that sooner or later...

 Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
 improvements :)

 Thank you

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Paolo Di Francesco

do they comply with -48V ?

For example do they run with:

http://www.digitalloggers.com/poe48.html

Thank you

> The Titaniums will run on any 802.3af equipment.  So I'd say they are
> becoming more standards-based.  Now the AirFiber power is another story.
>


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Fred Goldstein

On 4/6/2013 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they
> weren't always 48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems
> producing noise at 48v.

The commercial wireless world (cell sites) is all 24 volt.  The wireline 
world is 48 volt.  So I can see why they would use 24 volts, but 48 is 
usually only for central office buildings, where there is no radio gear 
except, perhaps, some old-fashioned fixed microwave.  A handful of 
competitive players are doing microwave collocation in COs, but given 
the cost, a power converter would be the least of their worries.

>
>
> - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
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>
> - Original Message - From: "Robert"
>  To: "paolo difrancesco"
> , "WISPA General List"
>  Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:18:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
>
> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>
>
> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Hi Josh
>>
>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a
>> business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other
>> vendors than a real technical need
>>
>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the
>> site? Hum
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
>>> St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>> >> <mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if
>>> somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform
>>> better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>>
>>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>>> Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later...
>>>
>>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>> improvements :)
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Mike Hammett

They should have always been 48v. I think the only reason they weren't always 
48v was because the RB5xx boards had problems producing noise at 48v.



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- Original Message -
From: "Robert" 
To: "paolo difrancesco" , "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:18:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...


On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> Hi Josh
> 
> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business 
> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a 
> real technical need
> 
> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>> using them with success.
>> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>
>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
>> will implement that sooner or later...
>>
>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>> improvements :)
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>
>> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>>
>> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Josh Luthman

I'm thinking Tycons would be better for me...but that's a lot of space.

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On Apr 6, 2013 1:54 PM, "eje"  wrote:

> Tycon power have 24v to 48v dc to dc poe converters as well power
> converters that would do the trick for you.
>
>
> /Eje
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Date: 04/06/2013 11:30 (GMT-06:00)
> To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it
> Cc: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
>
>
> That's my issue.  DC sites are all 24v.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 6, 2013 12:11 PM, "Paolo Di Francesco" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Josh
>>
>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a
>> real technical need
>>
>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site?
>> Hum
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>  Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>> >> <mailto:paolo.difrancesco@**level7.it>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>>> using them with success.
>>> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>>
>>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>>> Ubiquiti
>>> will implement that sooner or later...
>>>
>>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>> improvements :)
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread eje

Tycon power have 24v to 48v dc to dc poe converters as well power converters 
that would do the trick for you. 


/Eje

Sent from Samsung tablet

 Original message 
From: Josh Luthman 
Date: 04/06/2013  11:30  (GMT-06:00)
To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it
Cc: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

That's my issue.  DC sites are all 24v.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 6, 2013 12:11 PM, "Paolo Di Francesco" 
wrote:

> Hi Josh
>
> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a
> real technical need
>
> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site?
> Hum
>
> Thank you
>
>
>  Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
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>> > <mailto:paolo.difrancesco@**level7.it>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>> using them with success.
>> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>
>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>> Ubiquiti
>> will implement that sooner or later...
>>
>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>> improvements :)
>>
>> Thank you
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread can...@believewireless.net

The Titaniums will run on any 802.3af equipment.  So I'd say they are
becoming more standards-based.  Now the AirFiber power is another story.


On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Robert  wrote:

> I would argue that WISP industry standard is 12-28 V poe, as the
> majority of the equipment that vendors distribute use power supplies in
> that voltage range.   48 V is not that common amid the non-telco   When
> you get to the pricey suppliers the 48af V poes ARE the standard.   But
> that's a cost that we don't want to throw at our customers   I like
> standards as long as there are implementations of those standards that
> take advantage of production quantities to lower costs not lock in
> higher prices.   i.e. Ethernet vs. token-ring   IMNSHO...  I'm not
> saying there aren't advantages to 48V when you need the watts.   But did
> the Titanium really have a bigger wattage requirement?   Everything
> about it that I saw said it's the same inside as the plastic.
>
>
> Robert
>
> On 04/06/2013 09:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts
> on all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert  wrote:
> >
> >> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
> >> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
> >> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> >>> Hi Josh
> >>>
> >>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
> >>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than
> a
> >>> real technical need
> >>>
> >>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site?
> Hum
> >>>
> >>> Thank you
> >>>
> >>>
>  Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
> 
>  Josh Luthman
>  Office: 937-552-2340
>  Direct: 937-552-2343
>  1100 Wayne St
>  Suite 1337
>  Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>  mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody
> is
> using them with success.
> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
> 
> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
> Ubiquiti
> will implement that sooner or later...
> 
> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
> improvements :)
> 
> Thank you
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
> 
> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
> 
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Josh Luthman

Maybe another watt, if that.  It's the 7240 in Rocket and 7241 in Ti.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Robert  wrote:

> I would argue that WISP industry standard is 12-28 V poe, as the
> majority of the equipment that vendors distribute use power supplies in
> that voltage range.   48 V is not that common amid the non-telco   When
> you get to the pricey suppliers the 48af V poes ARE the standard.   But
> that's a cost that we don't want to throw at our customers   I like
> standards as long as there are implementations of those standards that
> take advantage of production quantities to lower costs not lock in
> higher prices.   i.e. Ethernet vs. token-ring   IMNSHO...  I'm not
> saying there aren't advantages to 48V when you need the watts.   But did
> the Titanium really have a bigger wattage requirement?   Everything
> about it that I saw said it's the same inside as the plastic.
>
>
> Robert
>
> On 04/06/2013 09:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts
> on all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert  wrote:
> >
> >> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
> >> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
> >> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> >>> Hi Josh
> >>>
> >>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
> >>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than
> a
> >>> real technical need
> >>>
> >>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site?
> Hum
> >>>
> >>> Thank you
> >>>
> >>>
>  Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
> 
>  Josh Luthman
>  Office: 937-552-2340
>  Direct: 937-552-2343
>  1100 Wayne St
>  Suite 1337
>  Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>  mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody
> is
> using them with success.
> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
> 
> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
> Ubiquiti
> will implement that sooner or later...
> 
> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
> improvements :)
> 
> Thank you
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
> 
> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
> 
> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
> 
> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
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> assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Robert

I would argue that WISP industry standard is 12-28 V poe, as the
majority of the equipment that vendors distribute use power supplies in
that voltage range.   48 V is not that common amid the non-telco   When
you get to the pricey suppliers the 48af V poes ARE the standard.   But
that's a cost that we don't want to throw at our customers   I like
standards as long as there are implementations of those standards that
take advantage of production quantities to lower costs not lock in
higher prices.   i.e. Ethernet vs. token-ring   IMNSHO...  I'm not
saying there aren't advantages to 48V when you need the watts.   But did
the Titanium really have a bigger wattage requirement?   Everything
about it that I saw said it's the same inside as the plastic.

Robert

On 04/06/2013 09:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts on 
> all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert  wrote:
> 
>> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>>
>>
>> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>> Hi Josh
>>>
>>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business 
>>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a 
>>> real technical need
>>>
>>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
 Ya...better.  Different voltage though.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
 mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:

Hi all

I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
using them with success.
Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti

Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
will implement that sooner or later...

Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
improvements :)

Thank you

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Josh Luthman

That's my issue.  DC sites are all 24v.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 6, 2013 12:11 PM, "Paolo Di Francesco" 
wrote:

> Hi Josh
>
> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a
> real technical need
>
> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site?
> Hum
>
> Thank you
>
>
>  Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>> > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>> using them with success.
>> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>
>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
>> Ubiquiti
>> will implement that sooner or later...
>>
>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>> improvements :)
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>
>> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>>
>> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Matt Hoppes

How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts on all 
the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert  wrote:

> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
> 
> 
> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Hi Josh
>> 
>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business 
>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a 
>> real technical need
>> 
>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> 
>>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi all
>>> 
>>>I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>>>using them with success.
>>>Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>> 
>>>Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
>>>will implement that sooner or later...
>>> 
>>>Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>>improvements :)
>>> 
>>>Thank you
>>> 
>>>--
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>> 
>>>Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Robert

Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...


On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> Hi Josh
> 
> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business 
> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a 
> real technical need
> 
> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>> using them with success.
>> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>
>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
>> will implement that sooner or later...
>>
>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>> improvements :)
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>
>> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>>
>> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
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>> assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Paolo Di Francesco

Hi Josh

I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business 
strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a 
real technical need

Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum

Thank you


> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
> using them with success.
> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>
> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
> will implement that sooner or later...
>
> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
> improvements :)
>
> Thank you
>
> --
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>
> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Josh Luthman

Ya...better.  Different voltage though.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco" 
wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
> using them with success.
> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>
> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
> will implement that sooner or later...
>
> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the improvements :)
>
> Thank you
>
> --
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>
> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>
> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
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[WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread Paolo Di Francesco

Hi all

I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is 
using them with success.
Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti

Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti 
will implement that sooner or later...

Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the improvements :)

Thank you

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