Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Mike Hammett]

Hah, I meant FPL. 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:23:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 

Department of redundancy department? 

On 1/26/17 6:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown 
> has done. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>  
>  
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
> 
> 
> Just to add to that 
> 
> a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many 
> cities they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks, 
> fiber feed (essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which 
> are light poles and micropops). 
> 
> b) The noise and developments in LTE-U 
> 
> c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle 
> 
> d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every 
> building that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in. 
> 
> e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber 
> based service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL 
> neighborhoods to Gigabit fiber.. 
> 
> f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3 
> 
> Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see 
> the competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the 
> choke hold on being able to deliver/buy/have access to fat pipe 
> especially in the middle mile. 
> 
> I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of 
> service offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of 
> bandwidth i.e. 200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing 
> customer expectations / perceptions around 100meg. 
> 
> Regards 
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> 
> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com> 
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
>> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz 
>> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They 
>> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last 
> mile 
>> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing 
> spectrum 
>> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and 
>> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses. All of 
>> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it 
>> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 
> meg per 
>> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small 
> cell type 
>> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network 
>> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business 
>> class circuits. 
>> 
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600 
>> 
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You, 
>> Brian Webster 
>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 

Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Marco Coelho]

Update to the original post:
http://seekingalpha.com/pr/16749805-verizon-deliver-5g-service-pilot-customers-11-markets-across-u-s-mid-2017

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> Crownception.
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 9:23 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Department of redundancy department?
>>
>> On 1/26/17 6:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown
>> > has done.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> >
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> >
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.
>> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> >
>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.youtu
>> be.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> > 
>> 
>> > *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> > *Sent: *Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Just to add to that
>> >
>> > a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many
>> > cities they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks,
>> > fiber feed (essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which
>> > are light poles and micropops).
>> >
>> > b) The noise and developments in LTE-U
>> >
>> > c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown
>> Castle
>> >
>> > d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every
>> > building that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in.
>> >
>> > e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber
>> > based service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL
>> > neighborhoods to Gigabit fiber..
>> >
>> > f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3
>> >
>> > Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see
>> > the competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the
>> > choke hold on being able to deliver/buy/have access to  fat pipe
>> > especially in the middle mile.
>> >
>> > I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of
>> > service offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of
>> > bandwidth i.e. 200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing
>> > customer expectations  /  perceptions around 100meg.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > 7266 SW 48 Street
>> > Miami, FL 33155
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
>> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>> >
>> >> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz
>> >> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum.
>> They
>> >> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last
>> > mile
>> >> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing
>> > spectrum
>> >> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and
>> >> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses.  All
>> of
>> >> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do
>> 

Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Josh Reynolds]

Crownception.

On Jan 26, 2017 9:23 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> Department of redundancy department?
>
> On 1/26/17 6:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown
> > has done.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> >
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+
> IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.
> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.
> linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://
> twitter.com/mdwestix>
> >
> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.
> youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> > ----------------
> > *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> > *Sent: *Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM
> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
> >
> >
> >
> > Just to add to that
> >
> > a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many
> > cities they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks,
> > fiber feed (essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which
> > are light poles and micropops).
> >
> > b) The noise and developments in LTE-U
> >
> > c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown
> Castle
> >
> > d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every
> > building that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in.
> >
> > e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber
> > based service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL
> > neighborhoods to Gigabit fiber..
> >
> > f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3
> >
> > Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see
> > the competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the
> > choke hold on being able to deliver/buy/have access to  fat pipe
> > especially in the middle mile.
> >
> > I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of
> > service offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of
> > bandwidth i.e. 200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing
> > customer expectations  /  perceptions around 100meg.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
> >
> >> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz
> >> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum.
> They
> >> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last
> > mile
> >> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing
> > spectrum
> >> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and
> >> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses.  All
> of
> >> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it
> >> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600
> > meg per
> >> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small
> > cell type
> >> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network
> >> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business
> >> class circuits.
> >>
> >> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600
> >>
> >> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank You,
> >> Brian Webster
> >> www.wirelessmapping.com
> >&g

Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Robert]

Department of redundancy department?

On 1/26/17 6:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown
> has done.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> 
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>
>
>
> Just to add to that
>
> a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many
> cities they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks,
> fiber feed (essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which
> are light poles and micropops).
>
> b) The noise and developments in LTE-U
>
> c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle
>
> d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every
> building that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in.
>
> e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber
> based service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL
> neighborhoods to Gigabit fiber..
>
> f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3
>
> Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see
> the competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the
> choke hold on being able to deliver/buy/have access to  fat pipe
> especially in the middle mile.
>
> I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of
> service offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of
> bandwidth i.e. 200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing
> customer expectations  /  perceptions around 100meg.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>
>> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz
>> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They
>> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last
> mile
>> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing
> spectrum
>> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and
>> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses.  All of
>> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it
>> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600
> meg per
>> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small
> cell type
>> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network
>> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business
>> class circuits.
>>
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600
>>
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>>
>> On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
>>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber
>>> Deployment.
>>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have
>>> adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the l

Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Mike Hammett]

Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown has 
done. 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 



Just to add to that 

a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many cities 
they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks, fiber feed 
(essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which are light poles and 
micropops). 

b) The noise and developments in LTE-U 

c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle 

d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every building 
that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in. 

e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber based 
service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL neighborhoods to 
Gigabit fiber.. 

f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3 

Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see the 
competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the choke hold on 
being able to deliver/buy/have access to fat pipe especially in the middle 
mile. 

I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of service 
offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of bandwidth i.e. 
200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing customer expectations / 
perceptions around 100meg. 

Regards 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com> 
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 

> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz 
> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They 
> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last mile 
> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing spectrum 
> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and 
> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses. All of 
> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it 
> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 meg per 
> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small cell type 
> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network 
> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business 
> class circuits. 
> 
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600 
> 
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction 
> 
> 
> Thank You, 
> Brian Webster 
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM 
> To: wireless@wispa.org 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
> On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: 
>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
>> Deployment. 
>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical. They have 
>> adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the 
>> connectivity being wireless to the home. Details on bands used have 
>> not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have 
>> sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan. 
>> Interesting times. 
> 
> That's right. FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive. It is 
> mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told Boston 
> that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year. 
> But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, and 
> simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming it's a 
> new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive densification of 
> their wireless capacity, using street light poles, and basically just 
> building fiber to the pole. They've told this to Wall Street; they haven't 
> made it clear to the locals. 
> 
> While 4G meant LTE, 5G apparently just means "whatever we do after deploying 
> LTE, because 5 comes after 4". 
> 
> ATT has this "IP 

Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Josh Reynolds]

Verizon is in talks to merge with Charter. Stopping their build out over
the past couple of years probably allowed them to have more cash on hand.

On Jan 26, 2017 8:48 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

> Think  short distance, few meters to few hundred meters ...
> Think fat pipes..
> Think small CPE mounted out side the house...
>
> Fiber drop to a home might be cheaper under certain specific settings...
> buy mounting outdoor small cpe is going to win in most urban and major
> metro areas.
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:40:29 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>
> I'm a bit at a loss. These are line of sight frequencies. How is this
> easier than running a cheapfiber drop to the customer home?
>
> Isn't most of the cost on FTTH related to getting he fiber to the street
> and on the poles?
>
> On Jan 25, 2017, at 23:49, Clay Stewart <cstewart@
> stewartcomputerservices.com> wrote:
>
>
> Put my money on microcells, all,the rage for cities.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber
>> Deployment.
>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have adopted
>> a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the connectivity being
>> wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have not been provided, but
>> that is apparently their new model.  They have sold their copper plant in
>> Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   Interesting times.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Think short distance, few meters to few hundred meters ... 
Think fat pipes.. 
Think small CPE mounted out side the house... 

Fiber drop to a home might be cheaper under certain specific settings... 
buy mounting outdoor small cpe is going to win in most urban and major metro 
areas. 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
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> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:40:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

> I'm a bit at a loss. These are line of sight frequencies. How is this easier
> than running a cheapfiber drop to the customer home?

> Isn't most of the cost on FTTH related to getting he fiber to the street and 
> on
> the poles?

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 23:49, Clay Stewart < 
> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com >
> wrote:

>> Put my money on microcells, all,the rage for cities.

>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber
>>> Deployment.
>>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical. They have adopted a 
>>> fiber
>>> to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the connectivity being 
>>> wireless to
>>> the home. Details on bands used have not been provided, but that is 
>>> apparently
>>> their new model. They have sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a
>>> part of this plan. Interesting times.

>>> --
>>> Marco C. Coelho
>>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>>> POB 875
>>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>>> 903-455-5036
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

>> --

>> --
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>> SCS Broadband
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>> 434.942.6510 C
>> cstew...@scsbroadband.com
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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Just to add to that 

a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many cities 
they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks, fiber feed 
(essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which are light poles and 
micropops).

b) The noise and developments in LTE-U

c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle

d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every building 
that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in.

e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber based 
service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL neighborhoods to 
Gigabit fiber..

f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3

Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see the 
competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the choke hold on 
being able to deliver/buy/have access to  fat pipe especially in the middle 
mile.

I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of service 
offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of bandwidth i.e. 
200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing customer expectations  /  
perceptions around 100meg.

Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
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- Original Message -
> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz
> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They
> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last mile
> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing spectrum
> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and
> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses.  All of
> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it
> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 meg per
> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small cell type
> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network
> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business
> class circuits.
> 
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600
> 
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
> 
> On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber
>> Deployment.
>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have
>> adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the
>> connectivity being wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have
>> not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have
>> sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.
>> Interesting times.
> 
> That's right.  FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive. It is
> mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told Boston
> that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year.
> But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, and
> simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming it's a
> new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive densification of
> their wireless capacity, using street light poles, and basically just
> building fiber to the pole. They've told this to Wall Street; they haven't
> made it clear to the locals.
> 
> While 4G meant LTE, 5G apparently just means "whatever we do after deploying
> LTE, because 5 comes after 4".
> 
> ATT has this "IP transition" plan which doesn't have much to do with IP.
> It basically means they're abandoning most of the copper, updating some
> short loops to U-Verse, and putting in a lot more wireless to replace the
> copper. It's not fiber speed but it's cheap. Both AT and Verizon are very
> very interested in 3.5 GHz CBRS, as well as millimeter wave for where that
> works. You may recall that a few months ago, AT announced a plan to put
> millimeter w

Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Matt Hoppes]

I'm a bit at a loss. These are line of sight frequencies. How is this easier 
than running a cheapfiber drop to the customer home?

Isn't most of the cost on FTTH related to getting he fiber to the street and on 
the poles?

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 23:49, Clay Stewart 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Put my money on microcells, all,the rage for cities.
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM Marco Coelho  wrote:
>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
>> Deployment.  
>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have adopted a 
>> fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the connectivity being 
>> wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have not been provided, but 
>> that is apparently their new model.  They have sold their copper plant in 
>> Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   Interesting times.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Marco C. Coelho
>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>> POB 875
>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>> 903-455-5036
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> SCS Broadband
> A Division of Acelanet, LLC
>   434.263.6363 O 
>   434.942.6510 C
>   cstew...@scsbroadband.com 
> “We Keep You Up and Running” 
> 
> Please send sales inquiries to sa...@scsbroadband.com
> Please send service/repair requests to supp...@scsbroadband.com
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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Clay Stewart]

Put my money on microcells, all,the rage for cities.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM Marco Coelho  wrote:

> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber
> Deployment.
> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have adopted a
> fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the connectivity being
> wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have not been provided, but
> that is apparently their new model.  They have sold their copper plant in
> Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   Interesting times.
>
> --
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
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> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
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  434.942.6510 C
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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Brian Webster]

Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz
spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They
seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last mile
connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing spectrum
in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and
Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses.  All of
the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it
too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 meg per
sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small cell type
system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network
expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business
class circuits.

http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600

http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
> Deployment.
> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have 
> adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the 
> connectivity being wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have 
> not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have
> sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   
> Interesting times.

That's right.  FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive. It is
mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told Boston
that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year. 
But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, and
simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming it's a
new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive densification of
their wireless capacity, using street light poles, and basically just
building fiber to the pole. They've told this to Wall Street; they haven't
made it clear to the locals.

While 4G meant LTE, 5G apparently just means "whatever we do after deploying
LTE, because 5 comes after 4".

ATT has this "IP transition" plan which doesn't have much to do with IP. 
It basically means they're abandoning most of the copper, updating some
short loops to U-Verse, and putting in a lot more wireless to replace the
copper. It's not fiber speed but it's cheap. Both AT and Verizon are very
very interested in 3.5 GHz CBRS, as well as millimeter wave for where that
works. You may recall that a few months ago, AT announced a plan to put
millimeter wave backhaul on top of utility poles, beaming pole to pole
(about half a mile), and using the electrical wires as a sort of waveguide
to help the signal.


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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Fred Goldstein]

On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
Deployment.
They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have 
adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the 
connectivity being wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have 
not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have 
sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   
Interesting times.


That's right.  FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive. It 
is mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told 
Boston that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year. 
But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, 
and simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming 
it's a new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive 
densification of their wireless capacity, using street light poles, and 
basically just building fiber to the pole. They've told this to Wall 
Street; they haven't made it clear to the locals.


While 4G meant LTE, 5G apparently just means "whatever we do after 
deploying LTE, because 5 comes after 4".


ATT has this "IP transition" plan which doesn't have much to do with IP. 
It basically means they're abandoning most of the copper, updating some 
short loops to U-Verse, and putting in a lot more wireless to replace 
the copper. It's not fiber speed but it's cheap. Both AT and Verizon 
are very very interested in 3.5 GHz CBRS, as well as millimeter wave for 
where that works. You may recall that a few months ago, AT announced a 
plan to put millimeter wave backhaul on top of utility poles, beaming 
pole to pole (about half a mile), and using the electrical wires as a 
sort of waveguide to help the signal.



--
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 Interisle Consulting Group
 +1 617 795 2701

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[WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Marco Coelho]

Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber
Deployment.
They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have adopted a
fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the connectivity being
wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have not been provided, but
that is apparently their new model.  They have sold their copper plant in
Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   Interesting times.

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036
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